Big box developer wants it bigger on west side

Tue, 09/08/2009 - 4:35pm
By: John Munford

A new shopping center previously approved by Peachtree City is seeking permission to increase the size of its largest building from 50,000 to 63,830 square feet.

The Line Creek Shopping Center, located just south of Ga. Highway 54 and just west of Planterra Way, is also asking for the overall development’s size to be raised from 175,000 to 186,000 square feet.

The requests from Capital City Development will be discussed by the Peachtree City Planning Commission in a workshop format Monday night after its regular meeting at 7 p.m. The commission meets at City Hall.

The requests will ultimately have to be considered by the City Council because it would exceed the size restrictions in the special use permit council granted in June 2008 to Capital City Development. That permit allowed the shopping center to exceed the city’s overall size limit of 150,000 square feet and the limit of 32,000 square feet for individual stores.

The vote in June 2008 to approve the special use permit was 3-2 with councilmen Doug Sturbaum and Don Haddix voting against.

Haddix won’t be a factor in the vote now because he resigned last week to run for mayor in the November election.

The project stirred up a controversy because the council previously approved selling a portion of publicly-owned Line Creek Parkway and Line Creek Court to CCD.

Without the streets, the development’s size would have been further restricted due to the city’s road setback requirements. Opponents of the shopping center argued that the larger stores would become a regional draw, thus bringing more traffic to the area.

The Georgia Department of Transportation has approved a new traffic light on Hwy. 54 West to serve the new shopping center. The new light will be located in-between the existing lights for Planterra Way and MacDuff Parkway.

A traffic engineer for Capital City has said that traffic in the corridor can be improved by making sure all signals are appropriately synchronized via computer.

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Submitted by hijoshm on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 6:55pm.

Will there be golf cart access from PTC to the new development?

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 7:50pm.

on a golf cart. This will be very easy to tie in to the paths.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 9:26pm.

This will be the one that officially tanks the Plunkett and Boone campaigns.

First, there was the sellout: city property in exchange for cash and big boxes.

Second, there was the new traffic light for the development that violated engineering standards and will cause future headaches.

Now, make the matter worse by super-sizing the development. Of course, Capital Cities Development will use the "it's the only way they can develop the property or we will be forced to put in some really bad, bad things" tactic.

This should do it for them. Haddix and Learnard will cruise.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 10:38pm.

Or, this whole think is a ploy. Capital Cities proposes something silly and unpopular just so Cyndi can vote against it. Thus making Cyndi look good. The end game Cyndi gets what she wants (the mayor's seat) the developers get what they (a mayor in their pocket) and the rest of us get the shaft.

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 4:59am.

The specific size happens to be exactly 1,000 square feet more than the new prototype being used by a not so well-known discount grocery store chain.

Voting against a discount grocer will not make Cyndi look good, but we'll never know because guaranteed she will vote for it. Brown is correct - she and Boone will get swept away in the backlash of this vote.

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:07am.


Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 1:58pm.

ALDI possibly? Trader Joes? They are owned by Brother's.

IF you know, let's hear it, and we can see how smart you are. Smiling

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 11:46pm.

Try....FOOD DEPOT. That's about the size of their stores, though PTC sure doesn't fit their usual demographics at all. Food Lion is coming into Georgia in a serious way all of a sudden buying up vacant Winn Dixie/Sav-A-Lot locations also.

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:11am.

is more than likely in Food Lion's crosshairs.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 10:19am.

No doubt. They have taken the spot of the former Sav-A-Lot at the corner of 54 and 19/41 in Jonesboro, and I expect to see a "Coming Soon" sign at Thomas Crossroads for Food Lion. It will be nice for that vacated spot to be utilized once again.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 10:46pm.

(Ah, how low we have fallen!) Trader Joe's would be nice. Would not want to see Aldi's come in here. Out of curosity I went into the one in Fayetteville and walked out. Trashy, trashy. But then that is where we are headed especially if these greedy developers continue to get everything they want. They will threaten and threaten and the scaredy cats around will give in to them. If we threaten to boycott them as we did Kroger's and send them the signed petitions then maybe they will listen. We do not need to make any more concessions--look across the street and see what their other shopping center looks like-pretty 'ain't' it?

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:05am.

And PTC not's about the population Density we have, or don't have...we can't have it both ways...I'm glad we don't fit, because if we did, our area would be crowded like the Northside of town. They pick a spot for a store, and draw a circle of so many miles in radius, yes income comes into play, and I would say the area meets that criteria, but it certainly does not fit into their population density mold.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 11:17pm.

Trader Joe's as well says we do not fit the logistics and demographics.

The original claim was Publix. But I called Publix back then and they said nothing was in work to come here.

I am also concerned that if you look at the plan the two spaces attached to the Big Box are 25,000 sq' each with a removable wall.

Now, can that become a 50,0000 sq'? How about making the connection between the Big Box and the 50,000 as well? Costco?

I don't like this plan at all.

I still say if the roads had not been abandoned CCD would already be gone because they could not build anything there to make money, especially with no light as well.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 9:06am.

Much bigger than 50K feet. Think a store the size of Home Depot or something in that range for Costco. I should know, I frequent the store in Morrow.

Another question, how big (square footage wise) is the empty smaller Kroger spot?

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 2:47pm.

But the spaces connected equal 129,081 sq'. Building can be altered.

Kroger is 33,022 sq'.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 3:02pm.

And regarding Costco, unless the building is basically a giant rectangle near the size you mention, no way Costco would be interested. Just combining the buildings wouldn't work, it would take a drastic layout change. BUT, with Sams building just across the County line, I would be willing to bet Costco may be sniffing around somewhere between here and Newnan.

On another note, I have heard some rumors about the little Kroger site, would be good for PTC if they are true.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 3:13pm.

Issues are in work with DAPC involved on several levels. They would be good indeed if they come to fruition.

But no guarantees yet. One great solution fell apart at the last moment. Very disappointing.

All I am saying on the development is I don't like it. The design lends to future issues and the two buildings packed up against the set backs in front are terrible.

As with McMurrain claiming he is entitled to a 10% increase in size by ordinance automatically. He isn't.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by Imker on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 7:10pm.

A bigger big box? Who saw that coming? I did! I've been on the Callula Hills NO campaign for months now. But the current city council will have a small window, after the election of course, to vote on developers' dream sheets until the next council gets seated. Will Plunkett betray us? I don't know. The best we can hope for is she won't after she loses the election. That will give sanity a 2-2 vote and the Haddix replacement in Post 1 will decide. You bet this is important.

But in the interim, isn't the current council going to temporarily seat someone for Haddix until the election? If they do and it's a Logsdon clone like Dyer, then the ship is sunk.

I'll speak my mind and let you voters know exactly how I'll vote when elected. No hidden agenda. No favors to pay back. I’m just going to do what's RIGHT for our city.

Eric Imker
Candidate for Post 1

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 8:11pm.

The seat will remain open until November 5th when the winner on November 3rd should be seated.

A 3-1 vote before the election or 3-2 after would not surprise me.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by totellthetruth on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 9:29pm.

who owns capital city development? I'd like to know since they own the current city council!

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 9:54pm.

Doug McMurrain from Colorado Springs is the President.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by jackyldo on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 6:51am.

and all they have done is cry about this project to get just what they wanted.

C'mon people look at the vacant commercial space in this city now..

We let them build more on this property and some more down 74 and we will soon look like Fayetteville highway 85 corridor.

Let's rehab what's here and get tenants into the old A+P (little Kroger) and Braelin centers as well as that square where they just opened the Dollar store and little else..

Submitted by ginga1414 on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 7:06pm.

Yes, yes, yes! It "will be a regional draw," and more and more traffic will come to Fayette County. "It will be a regional draw" is what we were told about the Pavilion. And, sure enough, the Pavilion brought in more and more traffic. Now that we have more and more traffic, our Commissioners are wanting to build more and more roads to accommodate that traffic. They want to get more and more money from us in the form of another SPLOST to build those roads. Only the Fayette voters can stop the madness.

Recently, a group of citizens met with Commissioner Lee Hearn concerning a multi-million dollar bridge the County plans to build with funds from the new SPLOST. Lee Hearn told those citizens that the night the commissioners voted for the new SPLOST was the first time they had seen the list of projects that would be funded by the SPLOST, and that the list had many projects that did not make sense. Absolutely Incredible!

Fayette County PLEASE vote "NO" on this latest SPLOST when it comes up for vote in November. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE! NO NEW SPLOST!

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 09/08/2009 - 5:53pm.

Expect this, Hyde, Southern Pines and maybe even a hybrid Callula Hills, maybe more, proposals moving forward before January 1.

They will all try to get their wants through while the majority is still seated. They cannot count on getting any of the replacement slate, little alone all three, elected.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 5:32am.

And a delay is all that is needed. The only one running for any office that supports that idiotic plan (other than Plunkett and Boone who know they are toast) is possibly that Delta pilot married to one of Pathway's old time realtors. So, delay until January and the problem goes away when we have new mayor and 3 new councilpeople.

There is no logical or legal reason to vote in favor of a project when it violates the land use plan and worse, it sets the stage for a wholesale rezoning of the industrial park. Common sense may need to be forced on the 3 lame ducks, but a lawsuit will do it. Getting Mitchell in a deposition is great sport because the lawyer has a very broad area in which to question him. He will withdraw the project before he will allow himself to be torn apart by some lawyer - once again. He's been embarrassed 6 or 7 times like that and is unlikely to go through it again.

Hyde Park and Southern Pines are annoying but not as serious as Mitchell's folly. Focus upon that as the trojan horse that it is.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 09/10/2009 - 7:34am.

The only point I disagree with is Southern Pines is more than a annoyance. There is the issue, in example, of putting a forced, not gravity, sewer line into the County where the 200' State on demand connection law would allow it to be extended deep into the County over time without control.

Remember, part of the deal is to put it across 74 onto the property there as well. The adjoining 20 acres is in the County and has owners that want to sell it to retail developers. So we are talking a lot of acreage that retailer developers have expressed interest in developing.

The idea of establishing another significant retail area to spur even more growth in the County is a concern. It will impact PTC.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

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