I hope you didn't overlook the smiley face in my post to you.

And you'll also notice where I have asked Haddix exactly which government entity is requiring this enforcement.

All that said, your UGA Bulldog is most welcome on these blogs.

who live outside PTC, complaining about things inside PTC. Hey, leave that to us.

I think I have heard Atlanta and Clayton county complain about Us judging them!

some folks just don't like to see citizens get taken advantage of by "Nanny City" Govt! Hmmm, must be Mid-shift time.

Exactly which entity "higher government level" is requiring this code be enforced? I'm not against building/improvement permits per say, but I am curious as to who is calling for this enforcement.

DCA, who is the agency adopting the standards from the ICC.

Why there are differences locale to locale the law requires an administrative procedure be in place to enforce the codes. It does not specify the exact manner in how they are enforced, just we are responsible to ensure they are enforced.

So any way it goes there are costs involved in ensuring the standards are met. No escaping it without simply failing to enforce, which is required.

In reality is there another way to ensure the codes are enforced without actually inspecting? I don't think so.

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You are still fuzzing the picture!

What is a DCA?

What law "requires" that PTC charge for roof installations and will the inspections all be made----they aren't now for other codes?

As I said before it is only a way to advertise "The GoodHouskeeping Seal" which is useless.

If you want unlicensed by PTC roofers out of town, enforce that!
What about jake-legs and Handymen? They are worse by far.

Yet only PTC was forced to enforce this? Fayetteville doesn't have this and I'm pretty sure the county doesn't either. I think either you're twisting something here, or being a little less then honest.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

The operative word is 'new' code. They will have to enforce it.

There is also the issue of rip off roofing companies. This is also an added barrier against that kind of fraud.

Why would I twist or be dishonest on something like this? Not exactly going to be a gold mine of income, especially when the code officer salaries, paperwork and other costs are deducted.

If this was a PTC created code I would have voted on it and it would have been reported. Didn't happen.

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This independent code thing is a racket!

No one need belong.

Anyway how does it stop Mexican roofers?

It is like "Goodhousekeeping seal of approval!"

"There is also the issue of rip off roofing companies. This is also an added barrier against that kind of fraud."

Oh, thank goodness! A new code in place to help protect insurance companies from insurance fraud! I’ve been so worried about the bottom line of the insurance industry lately.

And just think how helpful that is to Logston in getting the backing of the insurance industry so he can be properly welcomed as our new insurance commissioner.

That's why we have the Better Business Bureau and that thing that sits upon your shoulders. think it's called "Buyer Beware!"

Let me make something real clear, speaking for myself. I am not backing Logsdon for Insurance Commissioner.

I declared in January for Mayor thinking he might run again for Mayor. So I was declaring against him at the time.

Plunkett, his side associate, backs Logsdon and is running against me for Mayor.

I am not an insurance expert, but I don't think insurance companies cover fraudulent workmanship. If I am wrong someone please correct me.

To try to associate this issue with Logsdon's run for Commissioner as regards me is a complete non starter.

He and I are not in the same book, little alone on the same page, on most issues. The very notion to me is inconceivable.

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The 'new' code wasn't created in Peachtree City and you didn't vote on it. Why is it then that the code inspectors are substantially behind in their 'inspecting'during a real estate slump and because of an uptick in roofing jobs, the city decides to create some new revenue? Because of the relatively small amount of money gained, I can only surmise that David Rast and company are covering their respective asses for not doing what they were hired to do in the first place, which is to look out for the residents of Peachtree City.

We don't need another code for that.

Mike, I believe the new code is a 2009 code, if I remember correctly. The State adopts it, not us, but we are required to enforce it in some manner.

In part I believe it is because there has been a surge, nationwide, of roofing fraud. Crooks running a con in a bad economy. Then kick in the storm damage issues, golden opportunity.

In that last big storm that hit PTC there was a lot of roof damage. I know several people myself. Homes built in the 80s and 90s have roofs at the end of their shingle life as well.

Reality is we have needed more code enforcement for years. Three is not enough. But for most on Councils it was not a priority. Not popular like Rec and cart paths.

I can take you to some areas not far from where you live that need knocked down and rebuilt. There is no salvaging them.

The economy has made it worse. More people are not maintaining homes, more are becoming rentals and subdivided into cubby holes with too many people in them and more.

Then the age factor of the city. Infrastructure is falling apart in older areas. 20 year rated stormwater pipes are now 30 years old and collapsing, whole systems have failed due to lack of maintenance, some never worked right because the city signed off the developer when they should not have and other problems.

The years of turning a blind eye are catching up to us at a terrible time, this economy.

So the ones to blame are the chain of Councils over many years for allowing it to reach this point and not being willing to hire the staff needed because it wasn't popular with their supporters.

But as far a the new code goes, we do not have a say in enforcing it, we have to. And inspections cost money. So who pays, the one being inspected of the property tax payers?

Is it a happy situation? Of course not. But we are stuck with it.

Fact is code enforcement does not need more to inspect. They have more than they can do now.

More and more people are getting taken in by fraud. Fraud in construction, credit and more. If you have a better answer I would love to hear it.

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Could someone, for free, who is a professional in work ethics follow a code inspector around for a week or two for eight hours a day and see just how much is and can be done?

Maybe that someone should GET A JOB!

All that said, why ask for more money if the inspectors can't keep up and you're not going to hire anyone else? Surely, David Rast isn't going to get off his butt and climb onto a roof. But then again, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that the city contracted with His Honor's little company to augment those three inspectors.

Keep up the good work.

Sturbaum and I want to hire more. Think 3-2 for the answer to that one.

The money is to cover the costs to not put more burden on the taxpayers. And reality is most roofs only get replaced every 20 or so years, so while still being money spent, no argument, it isn't like it will be spent every year or even during this bad economy.

David actually could not inspect. That requires the right level of ICC Certification.

As for M Square inspecting? That means 'His Honor' and Bernie would have to attend all those clases and pass all those tests to get certified.

I took the Home Inspector Courses and studied the ICC courses. They are no picnic and a lot of people would not be able to pass them.

I understand the frustrations. Believe me. I share many but have to do something since nothing is worse.

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but by higher government levels

Who? The county is not doing this.
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Codes are established by the ICC (International Code Council) and adopted by the Feds and/or States.
ICC Codes.

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No agency of the government is required to demand ICC certified roofers, and even then they can hire uncertified roofers to do the actual work.

The exam for such people is "open Book" and anyone who can read can pass it.

It is more hypocrisy by the republicans who "want no government interference," and is a cover up for another tax on "roofing."

It is like an engineering degree by a Nigerian school for $100!

I'm disappointed in the amount of cover up going on by our officials in order to keep from reducing expenses and pay as they go.

Well they're sort of an accreditation organization and not a government agency. Anyways, good luck with it. I hope PTC has enough inspectors so that work will not be impeded. Don't make the locals mad.
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This is another excuse to hire six more code inspectors who will be paid for by roofing taxes!

They don't inspect now much and won't then. Most of them can't climb a roof!

After reviewing the stats, I'm not sure that's the case. Inspections are down by almost 800 from last year. Why hire more?

See the detailed agenda report from PTC's own web site. It will take a while to load and the roofing discussion is the very last page. You PTC folks deicide as I'm staying out of the matter.

PTC Meeting Agenda - August 6, 2009
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I'm sure it's coming. They're finding a way to tax everything else.

Logsdon and crew have been a huge stain on this town. He told me to my face at a campaign BBQ at the airport that he was going to reduce my tax burden. What a liar!!!

Vote Republican

I thought the code people were behind 5000 problems!

But I suppose if they pay it takes priority, huh?

Is it legal to park on your front grass? How about naked lawns?
How about rotting windows? How about junk lying around the house?

Tell me how to check all roofers for citizenship? Do they have to look Mexican?

Code officers are great and buried in work. No you cant park on your front grass, No one cares if your lawn is naked unless you have an HOA that says NO naked lawns, must have grass and keep it cut. If your windows and house is rotting you can be ticketed by our superb code officers. And no junk lying around the house. thats a no no. For your final question if they look mexican and dont speak english it is very very likely they are illegal. You have every right to ask the owner of the company for work permits or legal papers. It is your property, plus if they are actually illegal in this country they are NOT covered by the companies insurance. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask. Shop local and shop american. Stop the invasion seal the borders. Have lovely week.

Why should I police these workers for permits?
Why does the company hire them if they are illegal?
If he didn't we wouldn't have them here!
Companies who hire them are at fault, not me!

They hire them for $3-5 an hour less, at least, plus SS and other things.

Quit blaming citizens---get on companies who hire them--they will go home with no job, it is simple.