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That’s why I reply to you..

"They sold about a half million cars by taking these clunkers! Good for the economy---the purpose of the program!"

Uh No... We now have a half a million more people in DEBT that were not in debt before.. The cars that was traded in were paid for.. The odds of that person buying a new car instead of a used car was about 40% so we have traded a program for more debt.. That means they will have LESS disposable income every MONTH now for the next 5 YEARS.. Hurting the Economy not helping.. This was a GM and BANK bailout and not an American people bailout… AGAIN..

"If the old clunkers had been resold as you suggest, it would have cut down on newer purchases helping the economy again."

Uhh again NO.. Many of these cars are used as start up cars for students, 1st time buyers etc... Taking these off the market makes current cars more expensive and parts harder to find.. Thus creating a burden on a market that can hardly afford a $30k+ car.

"Many of these cars are being stripped of spare parts which will fit some of the newer cars. They know which ones work."

Uhhh..NO AGAIN.. Most of these cars are bypassing recyclers and going straight to scrap yards.. again creating a hardship on those that cannot afford a new car..

"We don't do steel anymore here. The Chinese and Japanese do!"

Uhhhh...WRONG again.. WE have steel mills through-out America.. Some of my best accounts are Steel Mills in Alabama.. Their ingot pricing is through the roof.. It would have helped our American market if this was used domestically. BTW why do we not have a thriving Industry in Steel in America.. THE US GOVERNMENT favored trade status with China..

"It seems ignorance spouted against the opposing polarized party is the thing nowadays!
Support the office of President until he is impeached or loses an election."

Support is like respect it should be EARNED not automatically given like some sort of Royalty and Ignorance is those that blindly follow a "PARTY" or a "PRESIDENT" without thought and without question.

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

You aren't worth arguing with on these points.

We don't produce enough steel to register on a % scale!

If we shouldn't buy new cars on credit then we shouldn't buy homes on credit, or TVs. GM is hiring!

Forget it.

Get off the porch if you can't hang with the big dogs..

"We don't produce enough steel to register on a % scale!"

and just whose fault is that?? One little guess will do..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

The other problem with the clunkers program is that, however well intentioned the program might have been, it has actually hurt overall retail sales. Retail sales were at a low for July and not expected to be much better for August.

Many that were driving "clunkers" had no car payment. Now, the $20,000 + that was FINANCED does not actually feed the economy short term. Instead, those who are managing to hang on to their house despite recent job loss have now saddled themselves with a car payment. More debt. Haven't we learned by now that accruing debt is not the answer to saving the economy?

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Ben Franklin

Better atick to your expertise: kids and Martinis.

I have at least three friends who traded in a clunker for a new vehicle---they paid cash! 3rd, 4th, or 5th farm cars!

You know not of what you speak. No welfare people bought a new car.

Assuming you are a taxpayer,how do you feel about your friends ripping off other taxpayers for that subsidy? And do you think that maybe they could have bought a new car sans any Govt assistance? Regardless, it's all indicative of the "me, me, my, my attitude", which just might sit well with you. Not me.

I don't get it!
You don't want people who are on welfare or poor to have a new car and you don't want people who save their money and pay cash to have a new car!

You talk foolish! What does "sit well" with you?

I think you simply hate Obama. He is getting needed things done.

I saw former a former republican Senator who sold a billion dollars worth of Hospital stock when he was a senator telling the democratic campaign leader, a doctor, that he traded one in and bought a foreign car!!!
The doctor said he was buying a GM car.

The purpose of the program is to assist the economy, and I guess P...-off republicans!

What you are absolutely right about is that "you don't "get it"---I never said anything about people on welfare or who were "poor" (whatever that means) and new cars What I'm not for is people making stupid decisions about spending money,either theirs or the Govt's. And I'm not for the Govt encouraging dumbos to dig themselves into a deeper hole! The program was ill-conceived and poorly executed. You go ahead and give me some factual justification for the program--if you can--word factual is critical.

Can you please elude to your fields of expertise please? It's obvious you excel in subjects such as senility, Poly-Grip, Depends and various assortments of the meds you enjoy. But do tell me how you manage to be so creative while resisting the mind altering influences of the meds you are on. Aren't they supposed to calm you down while keeping you happy and content in you special place known as Bonker's Happy Land? Why bless your little heart dear. Just how do you do it?

but can you prove that last statement..?
I guess no one bought a house that they could not afford either...

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

1st: You have 3 friends? Hmmm....hard to imagine.

2nd: Do they still let you drive at your age?

3rd: Paid cash? Really? They must be some of those white teethed
rich people you talk about.

4th: Welfare people? Who said anything about welfare people?
Just in case you know not of THAT which you speak, there is a
broad group of citizens that fall within the spectrum between
rich and indigent - they are called WORKING CLASS. It is the
working class that suffers the most. The poor already receive
government aid and the rich don't need help.

Last: Your method of constantly trying to degrade me supports me even more. See, if you actually had a well informed rebuttal you would have said so. Instead, you must resort to your last line of defense - condescension.

"You know not of what you speak.". Why don't you go ahead and make that your tag line. Then you want have to type it every time you post.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Ben Franklin

Where did you get those smarts from. I concur. I'm waiting to see how fast the dealers get compensated now. I'm wondering if the gumament is now going to reimburse them for the expense of financing the cash flow spread until they actually get their money from Obama. And I wonder how many of these deals the dealer will get stuck with in the end without getting reimbursed.

Now that folks bought those vehicles what other home repairs, bill payments, etc will be delayed. And how many mortgage payments will not be made now?

I suspect we're subsidizing for the most part... more bad habits and irresponsible financial trends.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

"Now that folks bought those vehicles what other home repairs, bill payments, etc will be delayed. And how many mortgage payments will not be made now?

I suspect we're subsidizing for the most part... more bad habits and irresponsible financial trends.
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Right you are sir. The people getting hosed right now are the responsible ones. Everything now is set up to reward poor decision making and irresponsible leaches. Like the NACA "event" held at the World Congress Center (I believe) recently. There was a definite target audience and I was not targeted. You had to be an "at-risk" homeowner. Certain lower levels of income paired with high levels of debt. If you lived above your means, bought way over your income, failed to pay your bills.....come on down!!! If you bought within your means, paid your bills, and had good credit history....don't bother. I went and looked at the website and tinkered around with the application tool. Even called my mortgage company. Not qualified.

I saw one guy on TV saying he had an ARM at 10% and they dropped it to 2%. What? Gotta love those ARMS. Also saw a woman in tears because they dropped her pay-ment from $1,598 per month to $798. What? They showed her house and there is no way it could cost that per month, without being re-fied about 10 times to suck out equity and buy more bling. Why in the world does anyone think people learn responsibilty when you constantly fix their screw-ups?

When I bought this house, I got my loan approved first and then went looking. I knew what price range I could live comfortably in. I got my approval back and was approved for $150,000 more than my price range. Did I get all crazy and buy what I was approved for? Hell no. But, I guess I should have. I could have then bought a fresh new ride, house bling, personal bling and lived the dream. Then I could have gotten bailed out and restarted the process again, including free healthcare. Change we can all believe in!!!

I get it from my mom and dad. Neither of them went to college and mom had me while in high school so didn't get to finish (back then schools would not allow students to attend that were 'showing').

All those years I spent in college and I never cease to be amazed by how much more my parents know about 'street smarts'. It does no good to know lots of stuff about ancient Rome, art history, Babylon, or English literature if you can't manage your own pocket book.

I remember my first apartment when I was 19. I took dad to go look at it with me and was warned that a top floor apartment with vaulted ceilings would eat me up with utilities, which were something I had neglected to budget. But....I wanted it. I had to take a semester off from school so that I could get a second job to pay my summer power bill. If only I had listened to the man with the street smarts!

That is the problem with many in my generation. They allow desire to guide finance and have the Scarlett O'Hara philosophy of: "Well, I'll think about that tomorrow.". Sadly, because they wanted more for their children than they had, the Baby Boomer generation failed to raise their kids with good ole fashioned STREET SMARTS.

You do have them sweetie. Your parents did well by you. Someone who doesn't blame other's for difficult times while expecting other's to provide for you, is a rare treasure these days. You are a true example of how my generation's children should have turned out.

Street smarts in it's purest form means common sense. Unfortunately street smarts is not a virtue that our leadership possess these days. They rule by their emotions and theories. Not by the wise use of street smarts. For what it is worth I commend you dear one.

And please don't let that nasty, vile, bitter and hateful Mr. Bonkers dissuade you from expressing your street smarts. Thanks for being such a wonderful and thoughtful poster.

Thank you for the nice comments.

As for Bonkers....

My mom also used to always tell me that when a boy picks on you, it means he likes you. I'd say Bonkers has himself one heck of a crush.

"What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us is nothing compared to what lies within us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

And then, too, there is the problem with all the other "bonkers". Would the government have to pay for only one or will there be reimbursement for all? That would be worse on the economy than all the other bailouts. I wish they would retain the brain for scientific research--sure would like someone (besides Boinks) to explain how it works.

I'll let you check under the hood....thank you very much.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

What you buy has to be the same class as what you traded in, and well, you know Bonk is in a class by himself, thank goodness.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Were your ears burning Tuesday around 5:00? Mr. Reverse Mohawk and I were wondering how you were doing.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Hey, they sold half a million new cars! Cost us 3 billion. Also lot of junk for Japan to melt.

I've already tried to trade myself in for a new Jaguar--didn't work.

Saw on Fox today, (darn, no leggy announcer), a car dealer who stated that almost all trade-ins were American made and 70% of purchases were foreign. Sure was a lot of help to GM, et al.

I think it is the Chinese these days that are gobbling up our scrap.

Great repy but you should of tried to trade for a Ford.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Then they could have done an even swap. Bonkie is like an Edsel--probably someone's pet project that just didn't work. Not too pretty to look at, mostly ineffective and should never have come off the assembly line.

Glad I swallowed my coffee. ROFL.

You are good.....

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

I guess cash for clunkers ended early because I was late sending my last payment of nearly $4000. I mailed it on friday registered mail to the IRS. but since they don't work week-ends and MOBOMA is on another expensive unearned R&R noone will know they that they could have cut one more deal with my money. I am so sorry that one more person won't be in debt up to the eyeballs.Maybe next year somebody will organize another group of banks and finance companies to reduce the payments for these big spenders who couldn't afford 50 cents more a month. See you in the breadline if I get to live that long under Mo's healthcare. I'm already 62.

You will have to explain what 5% of what and what billion dollars you are talking about!
There is more than one bill.

Bush's trillion went to banks and insurance and car companies.

Obama's trillion isn't spent yet---just a little.

The clunker 3 billion is committed but not very much has been refunded yet to the dealers.
Some of the paperwork (titles, etc,) are messed up and there was a "rush" by the public to spend it--only took about 3-4 weeks to commit 3 billion.
Original estimate to spend it and take in 500,000 clunkers and sell 500,000 new ones was 2-4 months.
The dealers will get their money soon---ain't no way the banks or the government will let them lose it as long as they pay what they got for the cars they bought to sell. (and not stick it in their pocket.

Afraid trust is gone anymore.

of the DEARLERSHIPS have been PAID... There are BUSINESSES
that are OWED over a MILLION by our GOVERNMENT.. THESE guys can't float that kind of money.. Many have already opted out.. and many said if they are not paid by the months end.. they will have to close their doors..
THAT'S THE POINT.. BONKER...DO WE TURN OVER 1/6th OF OUR ECONOMY TO THE GUYS THAT CAN'T EVEN RUN A "CASH FOR CLUNKERS" PROGRAM... WELL DO WE?

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

If they are broke again in 4 weeks they ain;t gonna make it anyway.
They shouldn't have took in the clunkers if they expected an immediate payment before even the titles and certification were checked!

I'm telling you some of these dealershipos would have cheated grossly if not checked.

You seem to want the program for the dealers but call it a fool's errand at the same time. That is poor thinking.

and trying to follow your logic is giving me headache..

The program Bonkers clearly stated if they participated:
1. 24 hour acceptance of applications
2. Once accepted.. 10 day turn around on payment

It's not happening.. These guys not only float the $4500 they also float the Commissions paid to Sales.. they float the total cost of the purchase.. they float the sales tax.. etc.. they are not like George Soros with Billions. I have one dealership that has sold 162 cars under the program.. He has been paid for 2.. The Government owes him $720,000 dollars and it is now going over 25 days.. That just the Government share.. He also floated another $75,000 in Commissions and by months end will have to pay $75,000 in taxes on these cars they sold..
Could you if you owned a small business (he has 76 employees) float that kind of capital?!?

Point made.. Just another SCREWED up Government program.. and a FINE example of the "Law of Unintended Consquences"

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

All those cars sitting on the lot aren't the dealers!!!!!
He owes for them and is paying interest every day he doesn't
sell them.

Sometimes there are hundreds.

Whose leg are you pulling?

If that dealer is again selling cars to people with no job and on welfare he needs to be out of business.

The only screwup was that the progrsam was so successful that it is going to take 6-8 weeks to process 500,000 applications received within 4 weeks. Think man--- or woman, don't pound on Obama.

"The only screwup was that the progrsam was so successful that it is going to take 6-8 weeks to process 500,000 applications received within 4 weeks. Think man--- or woman, don't pound on Obama."

Good grief, you moron. That's what he has been trying to tell you. You are so comfortable with it taking them 6-8 weeks to process 500,000 applications? That is after tripling the staff. And a story Monday said only 2% of the claims have actually been paid. How in the hell do you think they will do with the government running healthcare for 307,000,000 plus?

Hopefully those same jackasses handling the Cash for Clunkers will be handling all our euthanasia papers....

Don't pound on Obama? Keep dreaming.

It's a teach a PIG to sing moment...
and I am getting throughly POed..

So I made the point proved the argument so I guess nuff said..All he's got is.. Don't blame Obama.. How did that work when Bush was in the Whitehouse...?

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

That's why I told him to keep dreaming. I'm hammering Obama just like they did Bush. Bonker$ and his ilk can stick their heads in the sand all they want. They fail to realize their asses are then sticking straight up in the air waiting to get kicked. Obama is being exposed, slowly but oh so surely.....

Carry on next week for the good guys. We're heading to the beach tomorrow for a week.

Do you really expect any group to process 500,000 applications for a check for a clunker as soon as they get them?

People and dealers can not be trusted to submit the proper information. It must be checked.
They must know if it has a title, serial numbers must be checked, how long they have owned it, whether it meets the law criteria or not, and the dealers certification that he has disabled the vehicle!

Even then I'm sure crooks are at work to get checks that no vehicle exits for or doesn't meet the criteria--a totaled 2009 for instance but with a fake title.

Why are you using a very successful program that jammed the system as a bullet to throw at Obama?

They will get their money by next month. Anyway they got rid of 500,000 cars sitting on their lots that they were paying interest on!

What is your problem? Obama?

The point is that like everything else the government runs, it is screwed up. Not enough people to do the job, processes not in place, money just thrown at problems. And that is what will happen when health care gets "reformed".

Of course there will be crooks and fraud. How has the government done eliminating fraud in welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, Social Security, etc. etc. etc.??? The dealers sure don't call the program a success unless they are in the 2% who have been paid. The only ones who think it is a success are people like our friend Cy who got a fresh new ride. Oh, and the Obama sycophants like you.

Most Dealers actually buy their inventory.. They have in some cases Millions tied up in inventory most from business loans at a very high interest rate.. others "lease" out their inventory from the Mfg's but have to pay interest on their fleet back to the Mfgs. So moving their inventory does assist them...but not if the SELL it at at loss..
Right now there is discussion about IF they are going to be paid...

3 BILLION DOLLARS has been eaten through in one month
but less then 5% of that money has made it to the dealers..

Does your logic apply to Bush and Tarp/Deficits of course not.. This is Obama's tar baby soooo....

Show me the MONEY!!!

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Unbelieveable. The president got on talk radio today and lied again to the American people. This president has no backbone or integrity. He has no problem lying over and over and over again.

This statement topped it all - "There is something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee weed up!"

This is the way a president of the United States speaking? He needs to stick the the teleprompter. He isn't very good at ad-lib.

President Wee-Wee speaks

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

We far right people are not wee-weed up we are Pissed off. Big diff there Mr Pres.

I haven't heard the explanation by the President about we-weeing, but I guess it means that republicans get so excited when they assume they are winning that they wee-wee in their pants!
They did that when he was nominated!

"..republicans get so excited when they assume they are winning that they wee-wee in their pants!"

And when they think they are losing, they call 911 for a WHAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

If the government touches it, It will be screwed up and wont work. Got to be the dumbest people running these programs. If they had a budget and couldnt just steal and print money they dont have we would not have all this waste. Obama promised no waste and he would cancel any program that was not working or a waste. What happened to that promise. And on top of this Ted Kennedy is trying to change the law so his senate seat will be filled a lot quicker with a democrat. Even on his death bed he is worried about losing a vote. Sad, He should just take a cruise and enjoy whats left of his life.

So Normal, our gov't is that bad? Our Military? the FAA? The FDA, CDC etc? you think all these agencies are screwed up and don't work?

I bet a lot of your gov't employee neighbors would disagree with you. Maybe you can go help Hillary with some content for her 'critical of America' speeches.