at good old Barry. You just can't let him stray away from that teleprompter. Or, in this case it appears he "misspoke" according to his spin doctors. Some would call it BSing or lying. You be the judge because either way he got caught.

Seems in the Tuesday health care "pep rally" in Portsmouth old Barry claimed "we have the AARP onboard because they know this is a good deal for our seniors. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare."

Someone forgot to tell Tom Nelson (the COO of AARP) that we're just supposed to accept and cherish everything that comes out of old Barry's mouth. Unfortunately for Barry, Tom quickly issued a statement saying "indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate." Uhh-oh.

Meanwhile old Barry was busy attacking the "wild misrepresentations" of his health care plan from his non-sycophants. Whoops, now if that isn't just the worst case of bad timing ever. I would provide the link for you, but it's out there easily found. Oh, just not on CNN. They are diligently working on big stories about Palin's poll numbers and whether Obama's daughters are fair game for subway ads. Oh yeah, something riveting about one of the stars of the Atlanta "Housewives" too.

Wonder if Tom and the AARP will be reported to the White House web site as non-conformers?

Did you expect Mr.Tommy COO of AARP to say anything different? They are in Business to sell insurance, Health insurance being one. He isn't going to cut his own throat.

"Did you expect Mr.Tommy COO of AARP to say anything different?"

Say they had actually endorsed this debacle, I would expect them to say yes, we have endorsed it. But since they haven't endorsed it, even though "The One" claimed they had, Mr. Tommy was forced to correct the record.

"They are in Business to sell insurance, Health insurance being one. He isn't going to cut his own throat."

So, you're thinking he would publicly deny it even if they had endorsed it in order to sell insurance? No, see I think they would be determined to be the liars then.

I mean, either they have or they haven't. Maybe they didn't get the "Presidential Memo".

Socialized Medicene.. "PUBLIC" option is DOA...
Most of AMERICANS are against it.. No matter how in lock step Dems are with Obama.. They will not risk their fat necks for a guy that is at best a 1 termer.. They want to be re-elected... and that won't happen if they go along with this...
LONG LIVE AMERICA.. GOD BLESS AMERICA

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

So Sl, you going to give up Social Security? How bout Medicare? Or how bout Vet pension and health-care, or State, County, City, Federal Government Pension and health-care? All are Socialized(taxpayer funded)...Or are you independently wealthy and don't need any of the above. A question for you. If you SL are wealthy or covered by Health-care, why, WHY don't you want those that don't have Health-care, to now have the opportunity, to finally have it?

"WHY don't you want those that don't have Health-care, to now have the opportunity, to finally have it?"

BECAUSE I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT

Boo I know your a little slow.. bless your pea picking heart... but 93% of Americans have Healthcare or has access to it

So just who are you talking about.. Illegal Aliens...??? No I don't think I will pay for them.. but thanks for playing...

AS to the other gimme mine programs.. I would rather have my taxes reduced so I can invest in my own future... I can do it better then the Government ever can... besides I will bever see Social (sic) Security.. haven't you heard it's broke too..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

You are a Wacko SL and you just like to argue, no matter what it is. So you continue to blather all you want, you are of the clueless sort(Ostridge with head stuck in sand), so no sense in even having a coherent conversation with the likes of a wacko that can't tear himself away from FAUX New, if you can call it news at all. Nope not gonna doer, can't bless you, you poor thing...

Saul Alinsky tactics at it's best..
Isolate, Marginalize and Ridicule...
Don't argue facts boo.. just ridicule...
Just another DHS extreamist... yep that's me...

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

THIS

Can you believe this thought process?

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

it the old frog singing bit... It's the "Why are we broke daddy.. you have more checks" attitude that boggles my mind...
Progressive believe there is a well filled with money and they can just keep dipping their buckets in with no consequences..
The well has gone dry and China is saying no more.. The Fed moneitized our DEBT last week.. Something they PROMISED they would never do.. You know like Obama promising to not raise our taxes..?

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

He's not wacko. Why don't you tell us who's going to pay for HR3200? The CBO has already acknowledged that it will add considerably to the budget and President Obama has stated repeatedly that he will not sign a health care bill that adds to the budget. So who pays?
-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Who always pays CY? We are all going to pay no matter what. I don't know about you but We pay plenty now and it is only going to get worse. Better it be spread amongst all that can afford it. There is and always will be those that can't afford health-care. I don't, mind sharing, if it will help cover those who have no Health-care. It is almost unbelievable to me that American Citizens are suffering, with not being able to get meds, or see a Dr. or have an operation because they have no Health-care in the most Progressive Country in the World. We pay every day for some people to go to emergency rooms in Hospitals who have no Health-care. The point is we are PAYING NOW.

All this gobble gook floating out there is divisive on purpose and those who are thinking rationally get it. It is just a diversion, to confuse those already confused. Delay, Delay, Delay who do they think they are fooling, well, evidently quite a few around here, but I don't believe it will stop anything. The time has come, we pay now or we pay later either way we will pay. If the insurance companies don't want to play the game, then I'm all for everyone going on Single Payer Medicare. The people I know on it are very happy with it. It sure would simplify ones life for sure and not have to think about what health Insurance companies are going to do with you or what price you will pay for or what they will cover..whew...I would love to get them out of my life I don't know about you.

If you wish to pay above and beyond to help I truly would admire you. But I have serious concerns that each dollar spent to provide this national health care would only end up providing pennies to those in need.

Every country that I see champion as model that we should become has serious problems every year trying to meet its national health care obligation. That expense will slowly suck more and more money which in turns means less money for other things. As this happens then rationing of health care becomes a reality. Now it becomes an exercise of who should receive benefits and who should not. But that's sort of hard to do when everyone is paying into a health care program.

Are there problems here? You betcha! We need to somehow reduce the cost and still provide a reasonable level of care. While HR3200 pays some lip service to the problem it does nothing to that end. Again, as I mentioned before, according to the CBO the federal budget will go up to over trillion dollars as HR3200 is proposed. Now I don't know if you're keeping abreast of current events but the yearly deficit is now at over $1.4 trillion and is expected to grow to $1.8 at the end to the current Guv fiscal year.

So please feel free to donate more money if it will make you feel good. But if this economy is going to ever get turned around it will require people to consume goods. Increasing taxes takes money away from consumers which hurts this nation's economy. And without a strong economy, health care becomes a moot point.

-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

I feel we're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. The cost for health care has ballooned for several reasons - one being the cost of ER services being passed to the taxpayer! Who uses the ER? Those citizens who have no health insurance. These Town Hall meetings are the American way - and pointing out those areas that are valid concerns - and those areas that are trying to manipulate the voter. It's great to see our legislators WORKING during this break. Hopefully they will hear enough to go back to D.C. and get a health care reform bill that will actually start healthcare reform in this country.

Cy, that is the point, we, you and I and everyone else are paying now, for everyone that doesn't have insurance that hits that emergency room, Dr. Hospital. We pay for those who can't afford Health Insurance every time we pay that Dr., pay that insurance bill, pay pay pay. What difference will it make. Everyone will have to come up with a little more.
The Government(us) can find a way to pay for it, let there be no doubt about that. After all we had a few Wars as of late and not one word on either side of the isle was brought up about MONEY. We are the richest Country in the World, we can and will find the money. As a very intelligent Actuary once told me, they will(the government) will just print more money. If the Government wants something they always can find a way to pay for it. So whenever one of those idiot Politicians spouts "Where we gonna get the money", well, I just have to cross my toes at the absurdity of it all.
This Health-care bill is for us "THE People" You know the ones who end up paying for everything, not going to some foreign Country, for a change, or some Corporation, hopefully, we will have to watch ummm cause I don't trust their Greedy little souls. Aren't we the people deserving of a good Health-care reform bill? I believe we are. Our system is broken. Yes, this Country has the best Health-care but for a select group. We, the USA are 37th in Health-care. Our costs are so much more than other progressive Countries with nothing to show for it. That has to change. I believe our Health-care system is actually breaking down as we blog, we can't continue as we are. The time is now to start the ball rolling. It won't be easy and it won't be quick. Sometimes something that is good for us, is the hardest to accomplish.

Oh, and Cy on Foreign Health-care I know quite a few people who live in some European Countries, they all are quite thankful they have a Health-care system for themselves and their families. Would they trade theirs for ours, you are joking, they told me. You only have to ask them and of course I did. How they pay for it, well, they will do what we will do, they will find the money.

We are the richest Country in the World,

If we are the richest country in the world then why in the hell do foreign countries hold the notes on most of our national debt?

we can and will find the money. As a very intelligent Actuary once told me, they will(the government) will just print more money.

Need I say ANYTHING?

If the Government wants something they always can find a way to pay for it.

If we are "the richest country in the world" then why are we borrowing and never repaying our massive debts????? Do you actually think Boo Boo before your fingers actually toggle the key????

So whenever one of those idiot Politicians spouts "Where we gonna get the money", well, I just have to cross my toes at the absurdity of it all.

OMG... you are a wonderful object lesson as to what transpires in the librul mindset. Boo Boo.... You need to..... perhaps think?? I don't think the cognitive abilities are not there to...... Oh never mind.

Sheesh.... I believe it is her wires that are crossed.. not her toes.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

The Government(us) can find a way to pay for it

OK, then why haven't they done it. I'll give you a hint, they don't know how to fund it. Like I said, the bottom line is without a viable economy nationalized healthcare will not happen.

BTW, do you know my buddy Hack?
-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

You notice boo gives no constructive ideas to fund health care, just who to take from, but still moans over a penny sales tax. Gotta love the consistency.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Cy, Git, SL, others of like minds, you have yours, I know, have fun getting Health-care for others. I git it.

So since we have a few that don't want to share directly in paying for Health-care at least around here. I think the best Idea to pay for Health-care would be to start taxing the Churches. Yep, after all Churches are nothing but huge businesses. They are nothing but entertainment centers, day care centers, most have some kind of business going on, on the side. What do they do with their money, from what I see, all they do is build more mega churches. Yep, that would be perfect. I know most of the good Christians would not mind placing more money on that money plate for others. Just chalk it up to charity. Don't we now have at least 200 churches in Fayette Co., Well, there you go, enough to cover every one's Health-care in Fayette Co. Isn't that what churches are for, giving to others.
I don't imagine we have to worry about Cy, Git, or Sl placing money in that money plate, they have theirs and are keeping it.

Solving her personal issues by robbing from others. Boo Boo... you are damned good at spending 'Other People's Money', aren't you.

You have got to be the most jealous and envious person I've run across in a long time. Besides that Blah, Blah, Blah knucklehead.

So nice going with your Christian Hater spin. Well done....

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

How many times do I have to say this. For me and my family Life is Good, I have to say we want for nothing except maybe our health could be better. I can't tell you how lucky we feel. If you see something in that, that makes me jealous or envious, I don't see it. Is it wrong to want for others? Sorry, I don't see that either.

I'm sorry you don't see the despair, and hopelessness around this Country because people have NO Health-care. Maybe you should get out more. I believe our Health-care problems can be fixed by a simple National Health-care program for all. What is exactly wrong with that?

A simple National healthcare system is in place in several countries in the world. Understand that here you would be nationalizing a large chuck of the private sector (1/7 in Hillary's last try). The destabilization in that in and of itself is no going to be simple. And the end result is that nothing is free and all of this is unconstitutional. Nationalized Healthcare becomes rationed healthcare. Money that used to go to private persons now goes to a government bureaucracy. The net effect of all of this is better healthcare for some and a lower standard of healthcare for all. If there is no money to be made in medicine, then there will be no talent in it either.

with Progressive policys... Spend like hell just make sure it's someone elses money...

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

There you go Cy, if the government needs more money, well, we'll just print more. Now that's a solution you can take to the bank.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Printing too much money has gotten this nation in trouble before.
-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Every time I print it, it gets me in trouble too, go figure.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

If you're printing all that money in your basement - ACORN says you have to give me a loan.

It just ain't right.
-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Just the other day boo was complaining about the splost proposal, and that was just 1%, wait till the health care bill comes due.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

You won't be billed for it since efficiencies will reduce the cost to their current cost!
Piedmont-Fayette will go from 1500 on the payroll to 1000 and from untold doctors there to charge one to untold-minus 30% for specialists.

Drug companies will remove the million snappy dressers peddling pills, etc., to zero.

Tens of thousands of new family doctors will be selected and trained free of charge for their ten year commitment to accept all insurances as full payment. If that isn't enough, then the government will chip in a few thousand for them.

Peoples teeth and eyes will begin to get fixed for a reasonable amount--not $500 for a pair of $50 glasses and $200 to clean or fill your teeth! Eye and teeth surgery will be done at Walmart. Free.

It is stupid to continue fooling around with selecting who can get medical help and who can't.

The Hospitals, doctors and medical manufacturers and insurance companies had their chance to correct the problem and they didn't.

Anyway, I'll bet you have insurance!

What a great big pile of steaming bovine byproduct you just dropped here. Yes I do have insurance, so what? I also haven't been to the doctor in 8 years, but again so what? Print that money and blame it on Bush, never mind the Democrat congress that was in charge at the time of the bailouts, we'll overlook that little nugget of information. You purport to be a country boy growing up, you must be able to tell BS when you smell it, or see it, I guess you just can't admit to it.Print more money right boo boo? Just print some more and it will all be ok. Get over yourself.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Then you don't know what health care costs are now, do you?

Better get checked (have 5000 dollars ready!)

Or are you on post-military---we will get to you someday?

There is tons of money available if we just go after all those rich people. Don't sweat the money...

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Guys, are you serious? But, oh my GOD! I thought all this crap was going to be FREE because the government loves us so much. You mean, ....oh dear, we may have to actually PAY for all this wonderful CHANGE?
I feel so violated!!! This is so much worse than a rectal exam and will probably cost more.

"Any nation that would trade a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin

Boo Boo made it clear that the government always finds the money. She said all they have to do is print more money. Heck... if I realized it was that easy a long time ago I would have become a Democrat way back when.

Hey.. I'm becoming one. Money for nothing and your healthcare for free.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

I could not afford. I told her I did not have the money and her simple childish response was "Well, just write a check." Annoyed I responded that I did not have the money in the bank. She looked at me utterly amazed--"You mean you have to put money in the bank, I thought they gave it to you, that you just had to write a check." Well, she grew up and learned better. Evidently many people in this country and especially in our government seems to have never learned that you have to have the money to spend it. Government run medical care will end up wasting much more money--just look at all the money thrown at problems in the past several months that no one thought through thoroughly before implementing. Look at how much they have decided just disappeared and is unaccounted for from monies thrown at this war. We continue to give away money as if we really had it--we owe almost everyone yet we continue to send money to other countries, waste money at home, have a runaway deficit and the government wants to handle my medical situation! No thank you. I am not rich, not well to do, but will rather handle my own money and my own bills. Yes, I collect social security because I was made to put my money into it for years and years, I have Medicare for the same reason, and I am still taxed for this when I do work even if only for a day or two. This is not what our founding fathers intended for our country and none of this is guaranteed by our constituion--we managed to flourish for many years without the government running private business, health insurance etc. Until the government stops being Mommie and Daddy to everyone this country will sink lower and lower with people expecting more and more.

Those Health-care insurance companies are loaded...see you are actually right once in while...

Do you really think there is enough money to divert from your obsessively despised and hated insurance companies to pay for your utopian health care plan? The same plan that is going add counseling at the end of one's life to try to convince them or inform them that the gumament won't provide treatments for them? Do you think there will be enough money to pay for all those abortions they plan on adding that are so dear to you? You do realize the list goes on don't you?

I really don't think you grasp the difference between billions and trillions. THE MONEY WON'T BE THERE. Medical care WILL be rationed and our choice WILL disappear.

Modifications ARE needed to our current system. Personally I'm not for taking successful entities that have issues that need to be addressed and letting the gumament 'F' it up more while trampling my freedoms and liberties. It would be like taking FedX and UPS and hearing Obama tell us how he going to fix them by taking them over and putting them under the authority of the Postmaster Czar.

Yeah... I do have a play on words. But more than you can imagine... I am right far more than you could ever imagine.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Tell me again the flavor of the kool-aid?
-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

It's the right color and it leaves a sour taste in their mouth.. much like the Healthcare bill does to us....

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

And spit it out fast. The color of our proposed gumament healthcare take-over and rationing program is black. I think it coincides with the color of death.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Kind of reminds me of that Jim Jones episode in Guyana back in '78.
-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

How much did you make last year______?

Send it all in.

-------------------------------------------
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Refuses to think outside her DNC Talking Points....

and still think Old people will be Euthanized. Not true, Not True, NOT TRUE,

Ummm... If we are modeling the European system then how in the world can you make that statement with a straight face??? We are a country that has no problem euthanizing unborn babies so what would it matter if we euthanize poor old Grandma just because she can't get around anymore? Oh... wait. We don't euthanize unborn babies... we rip 'em apart and yank 'em out the mother's womb. Euthanization is much more civilized.

Boo Boo reminds of the kindly citizens of such a town as Dachau. In denial of what really transpires in the government controlled facilities nearby... kind of out-of-sight.... out-of-mind.

Any body for a Soilant Green Chewy Bar?

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

You know as well as I do that all these lies the Party of No, the Insurance industry, the Karl Rove like propaganda that is being spread around are out and out lies. Don't pretend to be this stupid. I know you know better! And to top it off, you have to bring in the Abortion issue. Ok Git along, I'll bite. How much do you give to those little babies every month? Have you signed on the dotted line? Yep, I Git, will take care of 12 of those little darlings no one else wants.. Come on, you have told us over and over again how prosperous you are. Yep, Git can sure afford to take on at least a dozen of these unwanted babies.
Soilent Green Indeed..that goes way back, doesn't it, another Shock factor, Git. It was a movie, you silly person..or did you believe it? I thought we had an intelligent population in Fayette Co. The lies about health-care reform going around are so ridiculous it is actually beyond belief. How people can be so minipulated by those who care absolutely nothing for them except to make a profit off of them and for them to not see that, well what can I say, you can only smile at the ludicrously of the whole thing.

How much do you give to those little babies every month?

Well Boo Boo.... I've been taking care of a failed abortion for some years now. What a beautiful young lady she is becoming... Pffffft...

Boo... Sweety... pull your head out of the sand and examine the denied services that your beloved socialized welfare / healthcare plans have been doing for sometime in in the countries that have these plans. There is no way in hell I will EVER trust my government to determine whether I receive or am denied treatment and medical care because some bureaucrat believes me to be not worthy or not productive enough to receive said treatments.

Services are ALREADY denied in the UK and in one of those Eurpean countries euthanasia is already an accepted practice on the elderly or those deemed not worthy of treatment. Denied services ARE taking place under these plans because these plans are unable to pay for these services and this is resulting in rationing. As out population ages even more Boo and as callous as our government is AND with supporters like George Soros who lobbies extensively for euthanasia and assisted suicide pushing aggressively for Obama's plan one can't help but be concerned.

Plus you have advocates like Ted Kennedy who doesn't even have the decency to pull his lover out of his wrecked car to save her. Why would I expect him to give a damn about an aged person and their well being.

Oh... and I know it was a movie goofy. Sheesh...

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

There is no way in hell I will EVER trust my government to determine whether I receive or am denied treatment and medical care because some bureaucrat believes me to be not worthy or not productive enough to receive said treatments.

A reality check: I hope you are never confronted with that situation. My mother's doctor prescribed a pace maker for the health problem that she was experiencing. My mother was 85 at the time. My mother had Medicare and Kaiser. Medicare approved the procedure. Kaiser did not. Why? Her age. Fortunately her doctor was insistent and appealed the insurance companies decision. My mother received the pacemaker. In December, she will celebrate her 99th birthday. It was NOT Medicare who denied the procedure - but the INSURANCE COMPANY. Sen. Isakson wrote the section that is being described as 'government making the decision of life or death for citizens'. All hospitals offer 'living trust' counseling to patients who MAY be terminally ill or facing serious surgical procedures. The proposed legislation states that this counseling will be offered and paid for by the insuring agency. Hospitals/hospice already charge for this counseling service. Patients do NOT have to avail themselves of this service. Most do – and are most appreciative of having the opportunity to get their business straight if they have not already done so – and making sure their wishes are carried out rather than having the family having to make decisions that are very difficult under stressful circumstances.

You claim your mother was 85 'at the time' of her pacemaker installation. You claim Medicare covered the procedure and Kaiser didn't??? Isn't it customary for folks over a certain age to be covered by Medicare? Why would you be blaming Kaiser when Medicare performed as designed in spite of it getting ready to go bankrupt? Just saying???

As far as your celebrating your mom's 99th in in December all I can say is "how cool is that"?

In regards to Johnny Boy writing the "death / denied services" part of the healthcare plan. I will admit that the details and definitions of this clause are extremely vague at this time and that it will take a bit more time before before it is clear as to what our gumament's real intent is regarding this issue. Personally... I don't trust our goverment with 'end of life issues'. As the baby boomers hit the aged rolls in the very near future Medicare WILL be forced to ration extremely expensive life saving techniques such as that which your mom benefited from. The money will NOT there in the very near future. And if we throw the cost of healthcare via a gumament takeover in the mix how long do you think it will be before the expenses overwhelm the intake and all a sudden counceling encouraging assisted suicide and / or the denial of treatment becomes the norm? Hmmmm... and at your age.... Somehow it seems like you will be the first to experience denied services from the government and czars that you so fight for.

Personally... I have a living will in place so as to not burden my children and spouse. My directives are clearly defined. I do trust my wife to carry out these wishes and desires over having some rumpwipe regional czar dictating my end of life / quality of life issues for me.

If it makes you feel any better my family IS dealing end of life issues at this very moment. Thank God Obama and company isn't butting their heads into our private lives at this time. So note that we are "confronted" with these situations and they are indeed very stressful and real.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Medicare does not cover all medical services for seniors. I would suggest that everyone look into the Medicare coverage that applies to them - which depends on their employment and other factors. Most, in order to have all medical services covered, need a secondary insurance agency to cover what Medicare does not cover.

I fully understand about secondary insurance. If Medicare is so great then why the need for "secondary private sector insurance"? Already the gumament cannot pay the costs associated with taking care of our elderly and the taxpayers cannot bare any more strain on their incomes. With the government unable to provide and pay for proper elderly care and the need is there to purchase Boo Boo's hated and reviled private sector supplemental insurance I have to ask: How can we expect the gumament to perform and give proper care to not only the elderly, but ALL Americans and illegal aliens that will be accessing this government guaranteed coverage?

Some how I think in the end us future 85 year olds won't be getting those pacemakers as time moves on.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

How can we expect the gumament to perform and give proper care to not only the elderly, but ALL Americans and illegal aliens that will be accessing this government guaranteed coverage?

I don't know of anyone who is receiving Medicare who is unhappy with the service. Medicare and a private sector insurance company pays almost 100% of the medical expenses of the elderly.

Government care for all Americans and illegals? THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. I have no intention of changing my coverage - and that is what 80+% of other Americans are stating at this time. No one is advocating putting Blue Cross or Kaiser out of business. BUT – insisting on no more dropping a client if they contract a debilitating disease; no more denying one for pre-existing conditions; improve communication between care givers and the insurance companies; keep my cost down by providing those without insurance a basic affordable plan so that the cost of unpaid ER procedures is not passed down to the rest of us. (There are insurance companies now advertising sensible premiums for good basic care) This is not an easy procedure - and the discussion is healthy and the American way. It is unfortunate that some interpret what is written in the bill (poorly written) and use their interpretation to fog the issues that need reform. Hopefully, the issues will be clarified and our legislators will return with a bill that will start us on the road to meaningful health care reform. How to pay for it? This is a stimulus to clean up the wasteful spending practices that have existed far too long in our state and federal government. A citizen mentioned that he was sick and tired of reading about $10 million dollar toilet seats purchased by the government (an exaggeration I hope – but it makes a cogent point). We need to be just as involved as we are now with our representatives in government – and monitor every piece of legislation – especially where the federal and state government budget is concerned. WE NEED HEALTHCARE REFORM IN THIS COUNTRY. This is a beginning.

He accused the government of deciding life and death when it was an INSURANCE, big bucks, company?

Why, that man is the epidome of principles and family values. He is a "trickle down kind of guy" although not much has ever trickled except fron his leg! He IS admired by some though who want to gather up all they can get!

Is an epidome?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Do you actually believe what you write. Ted Kennedy and wrecked car, OH MY..get over it I did years ago. Time for Health-care reform, that is the bottom line. No diversions, Health-care, Health-care Health-care for all Americans...now lets go forward without the Right Wing vomit coming out of your mouth. I know you are better than this after all you adopted one of those unwanted babies. Maybe half dozen more would have changed your right wing thoughts.

PTCMomma is exactly right. The preposterous lies being spread about this are ridiculous, and are believed only by people who like to be "told" what to believe rather than seek the truth for themselves.

When one of my relatives was elderly and in very poor health, we wanted to make absolutely certain we followed her wishes near and at the end of her days. We paid a professional to talk with her, lay out all the options for end of life care (nothing to do with euthanasia!) and find out exactly what she wanted done or not done. Then we had her legal document to show to doctors, nurses, hospitals, hospice workers, etc. so that things were done ACCORDING TO HER WISHES.

We were fortunate that we were able to provide that for her. All the medical personnel we dealt with seemed thankful they could verify exactly what she wanted or did not want. There was nothing remotely like "euthanasia" involved!!

I know people who are struggling right now, because they have family members with dementia who are in poor health, and they don't know to what extent the family member would want testing, whether or not they'd want a feeding tube if they can no longer remember how to chew and swallow, whether they'd want to be aggressively treated for pneumonia, etc.

Everyone should have the opportunity to discuss the options, and make their wishes known in advance. It is just stupid to equate that with euthanasia.

It boggles the mind the lies that are being believed. But what can you expect when practically every business in this County has FAUX FAKE NEWS on when you walk in the door. Is it any wonder unthinking people can be brainwashed by the wackos..poor things.

How about chronicaling those "lies".. let's compare notes..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Obama Delegate Posing As Doctor at Townhall meeting

The liberal Democrat party will stop at nothing to push their agenda on to the American people. Americans have given the plan a resounding NO, yet they just keep on thumping their lies and garbage about this hideous plan. Obama lied on camera when he stated "I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter’……`I believe it would be too disruptive"

Yet just recently, he said "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that's what I'd like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House."

He lies. President Obama has the nerve to stand in front of America and flat out lie. He is a liar - that's what he does best, and he cannot be trusted.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You are exactly right that everyone should discuss end of life options. You did what any responsible, loving family member would do.

The rub is that the government shouldn't be involved. Discuss this with all your family members. Write it down. Hire a lawyer for legal things. Keep the government and their opinion out of it.

ZoeS

"Never love anything that can't love you back."

Anything that can't love you back...I like that. Zoes you do know that your Health-care insurance company doesn't love you, right?
Medicare and Social Security are run by our Government are you saying you will not except Medicare or Social Security because they are A Government program? I believe the Government has been taking care of millions and millions of people over many many years with not too many problems. I know plenty of people on Medicare and not once has the Government interfered in their care, not once. Now if you pick a Right Wing Wacko Dr. that YOU HAVE PICKED to discuss a LIVING WILL and he recommends Euthanasia, then I think maybe I would be worried. Remember YOU PICKED him/her and YOU CHOSE to discuss A LiVING WIll. The Government is NOT GOING TO PICK YOUR DOCTOR! IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO EUTHANIS ANYONE(HUMAN) BY THE WAY.

You rambled and I won't follow rambling.

I recall a statement made regarding the medical professions opposition to this bill went something like, 'the Hippocratic oath is taken too seriously'.

And on the euthanasia issue - why would they contain that end-of-life counseling to the elderly? Why not add the children and working class adults to it?

The whole concept is frightening.

ZoeS

"Never love anything that can't love you back."

It just so happens that I have read a copy of the death panel's questions, and wished for answers, that they intend to use.

Here's how it goes:

Grandma, how are you feeling?
Questioner's guide: if she says I'm fine, then say: nothings hurting, huh?

Grandma: "Well someone 65 years old and having visited the doctor and hospital recently of course does have some health problems!"

Questioner's guide: If the Grandma doesn't say how much the doctors and Hospitals and Anesthesiologists (or whatever) and X-ray and Labs cost--then ask her for an approximate number.

Now Grandma, do you recall how much the health people billed you for recently?

"Yes, it was about $198,000 dollars since I had no insurance. They show that as a loss for that amount!" "Of course no human can pay that!"

Guide: Now ask if she has ever heard of the "M. Jackson sleeping shot"

Grandma: "No, but if it will cure my ills, I'm for it! How much does it cost?"

Inquisitor: Oh, there will be no charge---would you please sign here, and here and here and here and here, please, while I get the Notary seal!

you lose.. the panels are gone..
GOD BLESS THE USA

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

call me CRAZY, but somehow I doubt that...
Docs are going to be compensated for the “Complete Life Cycle" counseling... So it may be voluntary now... but is there a provision that directly states that it will always be so.. The law is clear on this.. if the "LAW" is silent on this then it is given tacit approval..Take ABORTION.. they are right to say there is no provision for abortion.. play on words.. HOWEVER.. there is no provision that says they will not be paid for by the taxpayers either... if the law is silent then there will be no objection.. Abortions are medical procedures thus they will be covered...
"End of Life" counseling may well be required in the near future once funds start to dry up and rationing of healthcare becomes the norm..

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON