Voting by districts is fundamental tax fairness

Tue, 02/14/2006 - 4:57pm
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The first thing you should know about me is I love my community. I decided to run for office and work in public service because I truly care about Fayette County, not for glory or compensation. I believe most elected officials also love and care about the communities they live in.

My children have attended Fayette schools and have gotten a wonderful education and we enjoy the quality of life this county offers. That is not to say everything is perfect. In fact, most of us who run for office do so because we want to help make our communities even better places to live.

I support district voting because it makes sense in today’s world of economics. Many people feel the north side of the county is subsidizing the south. The taxes collected in the north are not equivalent to the money spent in the area for services from the county.

A great example of this is parks and recreation. For several years, there have been discussions, plans and even a small amount of activity but no real visible progress on the park in north Fayette.

This same issue drove the residents of Sandy Springs to incorporate after 30 years. The same rationale has over 27 communities in Georgia considering incorporation.

When you strip the emotion from this debate, people in Georgia like the idea of local control. The ability to control one’s own destiny is a fundamental concept in our society. It dates back to the very beginning of our country’s existence. Taxation without representation is simply not fair and flies in the face of our constitutional rights as Americans.

Of the 8.5 million Georgians, 92 percent elect their commissioners by district. That includes neighboring counties like Coweta, Butts, Spalding, Henry, Clayton, Rockdale, Meriwether, Gwinnett, Newton, Cobb, Douglas, Troup, etc.

I understand people are reluctant to change. However, we have not redrawn the boundaries for commission districts since the 1800s. That’s not a typo — 1800s.

Today, we may be the only county around that has its commission district boundaries drawn by hand on an old map that can only be found in the county elections office.

My interest is fundamental fairness and the right of citizens to elect candidates of their choice. That’s why I support district voting. I have heard from a number of people on this issue and I welcome the input.

In fact, the bill that recently passed the House is a compromise. It redraws the commission boundaries to give the same amount of population to each of the districts. It keeps incumbent commissioners in their current districts. It continues the concept of two at-large commissioners and it requires commissioners in Districts 1, 2 and 3 to be elected by the citizens who live in that district. That’s fundamental fairness.

Rep. Virgil Fludd
Tyrone, Ga.

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Submitted by wildfire on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 9:59pm.

Mr. Fludd, surely if you would listen to ALL of your constituents, you would see the real light. We are glad you live in Fayette County; your children have been blessed by going to Fayette schools as have mine; but you are again trying to "con" our citizens into believing you have our "best interests in mind" by voting as you have on the many issues that have come before the house. As many of us have said before, you may live here but your interests are not in or for Fayette County, just the minority population that lives here. Your voting record (and I have kept up with it for quite some time) is filled with attempts to pass legislation giving minorities both in color and sexual orientation special rights and privileges over and above what the rest of us citizens have had to live under. Not once has your heart been for our bests interests as a county and again your record shows it. You have represented Clayton and Fulton counties quite well but the truth is Fayette has suffered as a whole from your personal interests!
What bothers me the most though is you choose to live in one of the safest communities in this great state but your voting has done nothing short of turning Fayette into another Clayton, Fulton or Dekalb county. As long as you have the minorities fooled you will get reelected so don't sweat it...


Submitted by rrticulate1 on Sat, 02/18/2006 - 6:12pm.

I think that Bull Conner, 'ol Gene Talmadge, and George Wallace would
agree with these Fludd-bashers. I don't.

Your comment "you may live here but your interests are not in or for Fayette County, just the minority population that lives here.", implies that the minorites are not part of the community, which reminds me of the US Supreme Court Dred Scott decision, in which blacks were considered as livestock. I know, I know you say, 'Don't go there' Ok, enough said on that.

Its interesting that typically Clayton, and now Fulton and DeKalb enters into the discussion, but not a peep about the other counties that Fayette has more in common with (like its neighbor, Coweta) that has district-voting. But then again, there are less minorites over there than in Fayette, so that wouldn't do much for your argument, huh?

We've actually had politicians in this state that openly bragged about preventing citizens from voting, stealing public funds, so I'm curious to know, since you have stated that you have watched Fludd, how exactly has he benefited personally while in office??

Its unfortunate that you think that the minorities in Mr. Fludd's district somehow lack the intelligence of knowing and understanding his legislative record. I don't agree with him on all issues, but he does try to listen and be respectful to all points of view. I wish I could say that about certain politicians.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 9:37am.

The purpose of district voting is not to bring home more bacon, Rep. Fludd. You are your own worst enemy when you suggest that, and you feed the objections of those who feel that pork-barrel politics is the inevitable result of district voting. Not all politicians are corrupt and believe in the inevitability of pork-barrel politics. For all his narrow-mindedness, Rep. Lakly can stand as an example of politicians who resist pork, which is the first step in reducing taxes.

You allude to tax fairness. There is no such thing. Children can't pay taxes (because they have no money), yet they claim a lot of tax dollars, starting with their schooling. No area can get back exactly what it pays in taxes, and there's no accountant in the world who can calculate exactly what an area receives in tax benefits. So this insistence on getting bacon back is a simply a sign of political piggishness. You need new role models in your party.

The real reason district voting can be good is in allowing voters to know politicians better and getting them closer to the voters. With the voting system we now have, we could have four or five candidates in each of three districts, giving us 12 to 15 candidates to get to know before we can vote. Or we could have (as in 2006) four or five candidates for each of two posts, giving us eight to ten candidates to get to know. That's too many. We end up with political forums where they're given two minutes each, and we don't get to know who we're really voting for.

With district voting, we the voters can study the four or five candidates we get. We can make them attend local meetings in our own area. We might even have some go door to door, talking to us. They, in turn, have a more limited group of voters they can try to get to know. They don't have to spend so much money running for office, so they don't have to raise so much money from special interests. We know these people a lot better, and once one is elected, we know where the buck stops. That's a lot better for democracy.

Your pork-barrel politics are screwing up what is a good thing. You've turned off a lot of citizens who could have supported your idea. I disagree completely with the idea (supported by close-minded Republicans) that pork-barrel politics is an inevitable consequence of district voting. Honest and intelligent candidates look for the general public good, and they don't have the narrow-minded view of just bringing bacon to their own voters.


Submitted by shut up stupid on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 8:39am.

Move back to Swoogieville!(Riverdale, Jonesboro, etc...)

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Submitted by Leoah Whineknott on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 2:57am.

Mr Fludd:

You are my representative. I resent you trying to create controversy in my community when there was none. In our County we believe "Fundamental Fairness" is having an elected official who represents his constituents - not one who shoves someone else's agenda down his constituents' throats. So start doing your job and start representing Fayette County’s majority – not Fayette County’s minority. (No racial pun intended.)

You said, "The taxes collected in the north are not equivalent to the money spent in the area for services from the county." Hmmm? I wonder where you came up with such clever hullabaloo….. Listen carefully: This is NOT Fulton County and under NO circumstances do we want a Bill Edwards clone or mouthpiece in Fayette County.

You talk about fairness. You say that “taxation without representation isn’t fair” yet you propose district changes that would prevent the ENTIRE County from electing the Commissioners who will be voting on issues and taxes that affect the ENTIRE County. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth! Fayette County citizens are intelligent concerned citizens. We are not easily manipulated or conned by all of the double talk. We demand our right to continue electing our representatives. To deny us that right would result in "taxation without representation" and as you pointed out, that wouldn't be fair! You will not change our mind with a preposterous argument that we should change our boundaries just because they haven’t been changed since 1800. If no one with your mentality has come along in the past 200 years and managed to mess things up for us, then good for us! This is not about a reluctance to accept change. Fayette County is a County of excellence because we embrace and encourage change, IF it is change for the better.

Of course, we are not perfect, but Fayette County is by far the best County in the State of GA, so don’t insult us by telling us what we should want or that we should be more like Butts, Spalding, Henry, Clayton, Rockdale, Meriwether, Gwinnett, Newton, Cobb, Douglas, Troup, etc.. We will not lower our standards just to be like everyone else and we will not lower our standards for you.

Leoah Whineknott


Submitted by twilson on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 6:46am.

Fludd's assertion that the residents of the northern part of the county are not getting their money's worth for their tax dollars is ludicruous. Every service provided by Fayette County tax dollars are available to every resident of the county.

Fludd, ask yourself, do the residents have fire protection in the northern part of Fayette County? Are there streets and roads available to those residents? And are those streets and roads in good repair?

Does the sheriff patrol the northern part of the county? Anyone in the northern part of the county been denied EMS services because they didn't pay enough taxes? And is county water available to the citizens there?

Did the county purchase over one hundred acres and begin developing a park for the citizens in that part of the county? And which park in Fayette County have the citizens in that area been denied access to?

Virgil, this is Fayette County. Emory Wilkerson is a good candidate who will represent District 1 quite well, but he has avowed his support for county wide voting. Emory, like the residents of Fayette County, believe that any represenative should dedicated to the entire county, not just an isolated area to bring pork barrel booty home to.

Submitted by dkinser on Thu, 02/16/2006 - 10:54pm.

Mr. Fludd,

A few items that I would like for you to sort out so that I may understand.

You state that "many" people in the north section of the county feel they are subsidizing those in the south. This is one classic reason why I cannot support district voting. It becomes secular. One group pitted against another for one sole reason, and that is selfishness. In true district voting, it is each district for itself and no attempt at improving the entire community. These people in the northern section feel that they are sponsoring the southern sections recreation, law enforcement, and social needs. Yet reverse the social economic roles and what is it called? Racism.

You refer to the current system as providing taxation without representation. One thing that the current system provides is taxation with representation. Each registered voter has representation as they get a say in each and every commission seat. You see, they get to vote for all 5 candidates and not just 1. Their candidate of choice may not win, but they still had the opportunity to voice their opinion, therefore they are represented. I for example did not vote for President Bill Clinton and likewise, will not vote for his wife. But, I was, or will be; afforded the opportunity to vote, so I never screamed that I was taxed without representation.

According to one of the charts in this websites blog, the black population accounted for 13.56% of Fayette County in 2003. What is it that should guarantee them a 20% stake in the commission makeup? Isn't this a democracy that we live in?

As for your assertion that this county's districts were drawn up in the 1800's, it was that way when you moved here. You moved here accepting that, so why should it change now?

Your issue of fundamental fairness I cannot agree with. Yes, you held town hall meetings, but you have so far refused to put this issue to a referendum to allow the citizens to choose, for I feel that you fear the outcome. By appearances, you are willing to allow citizens to choose so long as they agree with your stance. That I do not call representation. It is more dictatorial than representation. You claim to have heard from a number of people who support district voting, yet this very website is full of people who do not support it. In fact the majority of posters here do not support it. Exactly how many Fayette County residents do you represent and what percentage are they to the rest of the county?

Your attempt at a compromise has merit, yet let the people choose the system they want. Your small section of Fayette County that you represent may not like the way it is, but that is how it is and as you state, has been for over 200 years. Why change it now?

Of the counties you list that have district voting, how many are as successful as Fayette County? Certainly not Clayton County and I chose Fayette County for this very reason. Good education, good zoning control, and until recently, low crime.

Dana Kinser

Submitted by Sailon on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 8:09am.

Apparently, many do not understand that in at large voting, the minorities, whether they be white, black, indian, etc., are not able to come up with the votes to elect one candidate favorable to them.
In district voting, where minorites may be congregated, they have a chance to have one elected voice.
It is the Shiite, Sunni, Kurd thing in Iraq.

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Submitted by Leoah Whineknott on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 6:03pm.

The basic principle of a democracy is that the majority rules and that every citizen is given equal protection and due process under the law. Every U.S. citizen who is at least 18 years of age, regardless of race, sex, or religion, has an equal opportunity to vote an be a part of the majority.

Making special allowances to give minority voters equal footing with majority voters defeats the purpose of having a democracy. Race has nothing to do with being a minority at the polls. In a democracy, majority voters vs. minority voters does not mean black voters vs. white voters, or gay voters vs. straight voters, or women vs. men. It is the higher number of voters in agreement about a particular issue vs. the lower number of voters in agreement. The issue is decided by how many people vote in a particular way.


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Submitted by Leoah Whineknott on Sat, 02/18/2006 - 6:36am.

Ok. I admit it. I was wrong. It was a lame analogy. The United States is not a democracy. It is a republic. I often forget that fact when the argument of district voting comes up and my right to vote is being threatened based on racial prejudice.

Yet still, even in our republic, laws are in place to protect the rights of the INDIVIDUAL - not minority groups. We have the right to vote for our local representatives. The vote is decided by either majority or plurality vote. The minority vote has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the people who voted in the minority are actually of a minority race.

But the Voting Rights Act is used as a political tool. The Act prohibits ANY citizen from being denied the right to vote based on race and says ALL citizens are supposed to have equal opportunity to participate in the election and to elect the representatives of their choice. Yet, it was written in the 60’s. Prejudiced assumptions are made that a black voter's choice would be to only elect a black candidate and a white voter's choice would only be to vote for a white candidate. So, the Act also allows redrawing districts to give minority groups an unfair political advantage. The Act contradicts itself and it is prejudice.

Regardless of what Fludd says, I believe he only wanted to change Fayette County to District voting because he wanted the Black voter to have an unfair advantage. He has to use other excuses because we elected him into office and he can’t very well say that a minority couldn’t get elected.

The thing is, I really don’t care if all of our County Commissioners are black. In the end district voting is a bad move for minorities just as it is the rest of the County. Our choices for candidates aren’t exactly stellar year-after-year. Limiting candidates to certain districts would result in even fewer qualified candidates. Why would anyone what to give up the opportunity to vote for all of our Commissioners when their actions have immediate impact on our day-to-day lives. I would think all citizens would want to hold the Commissioners accountable to do what is right for the entire Couny, not just a specific district.


Submitted by rrticulate1 on Sat, 02/18/2006 - 5:49pm.

All of the counties that surround Fayette have district voting; but
I haven't heard anyone criticizing Coweta or Spaulding County.

I agree that every commissioner should do what is right for the entire county rather than a specific district, but it clear that the residents in north Fayette feel a certain disconnect when it comes to the County Commissioners. So its not hard to understand why they should want their own commissioner--in the same exact vein why Sandy Springs wanted to be its own city--to have elected leadership that will listen and respond to them.

Even if it is district voting, each commissioner would continue to vote on county-wide issues, but I'd like to see what evidence or proof that it a district commissioner from north Fayette would automatically be an African-American. I'd also like to know why, since all of the commissioners are elected countywide, have typically disregarded a significant section of Fayette when they are campaigning for re-election?
The postings on this blog is so passionate, that a black commissioner it is like a foregone conclusion, and I think that there are thousands of whites that live, vote, and pay taxes in north Fayette, so I'm not sure that this is some grand scheme to pack the commission of blacks, but an attempt to achieve some parity.

Submitted by Sailon on Fri, 02/17/2006 - 9:33pm.

Then if I understand you, Albert Gore should have been our President since he got the most popular votes in the whole country?

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