“Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!”

Malik Zulu Shabazz - The New Black Panther Party

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Norman Lumpkin WSFA-TV12 Investigative Reporter.. He admitted he hated white people (at the time).. Police in particular.. Until I left the State in 2000 we hunted together had dinner with each other families.. Generally enjoyed each other’s company.. People can change.. but.. there must be a desire to do so...
He stepped back from the hate and asked himself why he hated whites.. He found the only answer to "Who is keeping him down" was himself and the other "Race Baiters"... Did he see racism.. You betcha.. Did it affect him.. again.. You betcha...BUT he rose above it.. became a better person for it..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

You must be a crude, hateful, sick, person who needs to be locked up and thrown out of this country and banned from ever returning, even for a visit.

I assuming you are referring to Malik Zulu Shabazz?
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Heck I thought those were your words to.... (tee hee)

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Can't forget Hymietown or that gutter religion thingy, did those guys lose their jobs?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

An excellent example of hate speech. I missed your point though.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

Did you get RealityCheck's point?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I got that one. Stoking the fires is going to help the situation? The point of that is what? Missing that I am.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

to show the stupidity is not limited to any one race.
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There are extremes to everything. The Black Panther group, from which Cyclist quoted were active in the 60's and 70's as a means to militantly combat hateful acts from the whites. You have the Klan and Skin Heads(still active today)that have their own brand of toxic hatred. All of the hateful groups tear away at our decency, they commit dispicable acts, they say evil, demonic things (and believe it).

I dont tolerate anyone who is hateful and down right evil to someone else. No matter the race. I dont allow hateful talk or behavior from my friends or associates...I am quick to call them on it.

More to the point I was trying to make was that you have a police officer saying hateful things, an officer that is sworn to enforce the law FAIRLY. How can one be trusted to be fair and just and right when there is obvious bias? This man's words from his own mouth is proof that men and women in law enforcement can harbor such beliefs which affect the way they apply enforcement. Many were asking about statistics, proof that a police officer could be unjust and unfair to blacks. The truth is that racial profiling does happen. IT HAPPENS. We have lived with it since (and even before) the emancipation. Even with the "beer" meeting at the Whitehouse tonight, the profiling will surely happen again.

My belief is that WE are all AMERICANS. I love my country and sing the National Anthem proudly. I respect and honor those who have died serviing this country so that I can be free, so that we call can be free.

I would like for someone to explain what it means when it is said that "the black community has a chip on it's shoulder". I truely dont understand that statement. I need an honest example of that observation followed up with an honest, pure discussion.

was just flat wrong and out of line. I just wonder how he can get along with his fellow black officers. What an idiot. He apologized but the damage was done. Kind of like Jesse with his famous Hymie Town speech.

Oh, the chip on the shoulder thingy. Ever been stopped at a light and forced to listen to that disgusting music called rap? Talk about a chip on one’s shoulder.

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Oh, the chip on the shoulder thingy. Ever been stopped at a light and forced to listen to that disgusting music called rap? Talk about a chip on one’s shoulder.

Please explain. If I were in parts of LA, I would understand. Here in Fayette County, the majority of loud playing rap music has come from cars being driven by young 'whites'. Are you talking about the 'chip' that the younger generation carries to aggravate the sensitive ears of the older generation?

Here's the thread you were talking about, and it's not the volume I have the most problem with, it's the lyrics, I don't talk that way around my wife and daughter and I object strongly to being subjected to it at gas stations and convenience stores when they are with me, or any other person for that matter.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Years ago I was listening to an early Eddie Murphy song - the beat was catchy, etc. My younger son who was 12 or 13 at the time asked me if I understood the words. Quite frankly - I wasn't paying any attention to the words - THEY WERE DISGUSTING! I totally agree with you regarding the lyrics and dancing heard/seen on many hip-hop videos. I was actively supportive of the women at Spelman College in their protest against the lyrics of certain hip-hop artists. The anti-police lyrics - kill a cop - don't snitch mentality is self-defeating for any community. I'm told that there are hip-hop artist who have cleaned up their acts. My ears won't allow me to 'check that out'. As Cy pointed out - it is heard around the world and in every community. Ugh!

LOL ... you really are black, aren't you?

I've heard this many times from black women -- usually explaining why they listen to music that degrades them. How exactly does one not hear the words of a song? I've never understood it.

BOOM boom BOOM boom BOOM. Da beat.

Evil ice people can't tune out the words hehe. The devil really is in the details.

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If I were in parts in LA

Funny, It's Spanish rap now. Heck I was in Germany a few years ago and I forgot to reset the darn alarm clock and it went off with Germany rap music. Yikes!!!!

Anyways it's the lyrics that is so bad. How about this:

Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white people

I could go on and on but, I suspect you and I are on common ground regarding this disgusting stuff. One thing about and, I have said this before, I wish it wasn't so.

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remarks. It did not get blown all out of proportion as so many other incidents are when it is reversed. He apologized, a weak apology at that, but it is hard to dispute a statement when there is audio and video of you making the statement. Later he ran for president and that situation was hardly mentioned.

Last year Mr. Jackson made some rather alarming and disgusting comments on air by mistake. His comments were regarding then Presidential Candidate Obama. I wont repeat them but I was very upset that he would say something like that about Obama. I dont have ANY respect for Jesse Jackson...NONE. He does not represent me or anyone I know. If I see him being interviewed or making a speech, I change the channel.

I remember when he make the remarks about "hymietown". I thought then that he wasnt a very intelligent person. I have a little more respect for Al Sharpton, albeit not much. Sometimes situations warrant someone like Al Sharpton to bring national focus to it. So people can see the injustice, otherwise it would go unnoticed.

of the country was/is often 'slanted'. In Southern California, we heard Jesse's apology over and over again. We also heard the 'hymie' statement every hour on the hour. When Jesse ran for president - the hymie statement was repeated over and over. There is a large Jewish voting population in Southern California - who usually voted Democrat. This group of voters in the past aligned themselves with the 'black' vote until affirmative action. Politicos in the democratic primary used a 'game-plan' to divide this demo-graphic in Southern California. The media plays to the 'audience' in different parts of the country. This was the done prior to the popularity of CNN, National Fox News, etc.

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Gates and his attitude are a prime example of a belligerent black man who thinks he is above the law(ie: chip on his shoulder). Instead of just showing his picture ID he gave the cop a stream of lip service.

Not very long ago I was locked out of my house so I pushed in the back door setting off the alarm. The cop who showed up knows me, knows I live here and he still needed to see a picture ID. That is standard procedure. No problem. Instead of giving him a bunch of lip service and berating him because he knows me. I showed him my ID. It's not hard. I also apologized to him for having wasted his time with a false alarm. That his how normal people operate in my opinion.

Many black people, not all, but many, think they are above the law. I have seen the same attitude where I work. The rules are for everone else not the blacks. Why? Why would one group or race of people think they are above the law or standard rules in a workplace? How have they learned this behavior?

In a time when there are serious attempts to acknowledge human relation mistakes in America, there are some of us still making the 'broad brush' statements? Do we somehow benefit some from this schism among Americans? Many 'black' people are very aware they are NOT above the law - since many are incarcerated. Those in the older generation remember when there were many 'laws' that did not apply to black people. Those days are clearly over. We have seen the 'crack in the ceiling' if one is prepared, educated, etc., One may achieve even the highest office in the land; serve on corporate boards, become CEO of large companies; live anywhere they can afford to live; have a business that ALL AMERICANS support; etc. We, all Americans, have become so accustomed to making the broad statements about 'blacks' and 'whites' and Mexicans and 'rag-heads', that some accept this as part of our culture. I think your question - How have they learned this behavior? - is rhetorical. Enslave a group of humans, give them 'freedom' in words only, select a 'few' and allow them to get the tools for success in society, keep the majority in an impoverished condition for years - and then open the flood gates of opportunity - and wonder why they don't take advantage of this opportunity in a way that 'others' have - I don't care what color skin this group of humans may have - the reaction would be predictable. We have moved to the point where there is a visible middle class among minorities in this country; a percentage of minorities in the 'upper class' - and many more qualified minorities than in previous years ready and able to take advantage of the opportunities that are available in this country. There are also more humans in the 'majority' community who no longer view minorities as 'below them' because of their color or national origin. It's time to take the 'chips' off that are based on 'old' perceptions. It's a new day - and possibly we're closer to judging based on deeds and character than we realize. I'm looking forward to what Crowley and Gates, working together, share with the nation.

Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Malcom X et al.. are disavowed by the Black Community.. Look what happened when David Duke surfaced.. The "White Community" quickly shut him down and relegated him to a little dark corner of obscurity.
Until the "Race Baiters" are sent packing with the David Dukes then no amount of "conversation" can legitimately be had..
These guys keep the "Chip" fresh and large on the shoulder of the Black Community.

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

Rev. Wright is not on the national scene anymore, he is retired now. He never was a national spokesman. You can stop dragging his name into comments to show some sort of example.

Malcolm X was assassinated in the 60's so he's not here to be repudidated. He had followers but many of his positions were in direct opposition to the more popular views of Dr. King. Although I too disagree with Mr. X's positions, he general goal was to get the so called "black community" to depend on itself and not some "great white hope" that whites will accept blacks...not to wait on that day but to build their own communities and schools.

Jesse Jackson only gets respect because of his days with Dr. King. He has not risen to the level of Cong. John Lewis or Andrew Young. So, Jesse is not a leader of the "black community".

Al Sharpton is an activist that brings focus to injustice that would otherwise be overlooked. I dont agree with some of his positions but I think he is honest in his intentions.

David Duke continues to make speeches and appear at "white supremacy" conferences. In his run for the Louisiana House of Reps, he got over 60% of the white vote...this was after he was on the national level trying to run for president. He definitely is not in some dark obscure corner...and many in the "white community" are still follow him. So I dont agree that the "white community" "quickly shut him down"...not true.

There is only one man in the list of names you gave that was not only a member but a leader of a group that has documented beatings, killings, cross burnings, and church bombings. Only one man has lead a national group where adult men and women were jeering and throwing rocks at an innocent little black girl trying to go to school in the first grade. I have NEVER ONCE heard either Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton advocate or justify violence against anyone. EVER. So, your inclusion of David Dukes in your comparison is way off base.

Its not true that "Until the "Race Baiters" are sent packing with the David Dukes then no amount of "conversation" can legitimately be had.."

We CAN and SHOULD have a conversation. It starts with you, and it starts with me, all of us as individuals. We ultimately have to decide to do the RIGHT thing. Im not held accountable for anyone elses actions but my own (and my children until they are adults). I am the one in control of what I think and do.

What Reality Check is saying is that it is okay if HIS black bigots race bait and seek racial prefrences but it is soooooo wrong when when white bigots spew the same madness.

Either that is what he is saying or RC sees what he wants to see. Hmmmm... someone here needs a reality check. Won't mention any names but his initials are RC.

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al and jesse, and rev. wrong keep telling them they are victims and everyone owes them a living. So it must be true..right??

'they' aren't listening!! Those minorities that are on the success track - and there are many - deserve to receive recognition for their accomplishments in college, the community, and their work effort. Why are 'they ' standing in those long lines looking for work along with the rest of the citizens in this country - if they feel someone owes them a living? There are leeches in our society of all colors that are taking advantage of the system. Gosh, it appears that some in this discussion are paying more attention to Jesse, etc. than 'they'. HMMMMM.

before it can go anywhere else...

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

What a &^#%@(& loser.
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Haven't heard many in this discussion disavowing David Duke except Cy. Interesting. To many just reading some of what has been shared here - it appears there are some David Duke supporters here (hope I'm wrong!). Much of what has been said here, we've heard from David Duke and the John Birch Society. They are not quite as horrid as the Klan - but appear to be close. Why is it that the 'black' community does not buy into the 'white' community disavowing David Duke?

HE IS A WORTHLESS PIECE OF HUMAN DEBRIS AND THE WORLD WOULD BE ALOT BETTER OF OFF WITH OUT HIM. God may love him but I wouldn't give that racist a$$hole the sweat of lower extremities if his guts were on fire.

Same with Sharpton, Rev Wright and Jesse Jackson.

Why is it that the 'black' community does not buy into the 'white' community disavowing David Duke?

The 'white' community did not put that hatemongering bigot into office. The 'black' community empowers their hatemongering bigots by actually placing them in office.

Now who should be buying into whose "disavowing"????

Again.... you see what you WANT to see so that you can somehow justify your own bigoted agenda.

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The national 'black' community has not put anyone in 'office'. Jesse, Al, Rev. Wright - who you identify as 'hate mongers' have never been elected to anything. You are after a debate - and appear incapable of a conversation without your usual lashing out and name-calling. Even David Duke can be described using better words than yours. The 'white' community didn't vote for McCain/Palin – some Americans did – and McCain/Palin lost.

David's Mom--- the complete absence by you of any castigation for instances of reverse discrimination is astounding. Your comments seem to be all about entitlement for a single race-- the very essence of the inequality you supposedly oppose.

Take for example the local DeKalb County Government. The 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals just roundly admonished the black leaders of DeKalb for blatant reverse racial discrimination. And why are you silent? When the Jena 6 respond with violence to what were non-violent expressions of racism by whites, your reaction was "boys will be boys." When DeKalb CEO Vernon Jones boasted that he would "darken" the adminstration of DeKalb County I didn't hear Jesse marching for equality. The Recreation Director was fired in DeKalb for failing to mail in the state swim applications, thus depriving DeKalb youth swimmers of the competition. This was downplayed by DeKalb because "they were mostly white kids".

And why is it if a white uses the "N" word you explode but when a black (e.g., Jesse Jackson) refers to America's great city of immigration as Hymietown, well, that's just fine. You take the position that black juvenile crime is justified in the name of "black rage"-- that years of mistreatment justifies felonious outbursts. However, Jewish children should have to endure a nasty, hateful insult from one of your top leaders.

Too few African-Americans will adhere to a consistent standard, Bill Cosby being one of them.

Thank you for your input to the conversation. I haven't been silent - just prefer to get all of the facts before making a 'judgment. I'm sorry that you have misinterpreted by comments - I know you don't intend to misrepresent my intent.

Let's start here:

The national 'black' community has not put anyone in 'office'

Where did I indicate "national level"?

You are after a debate - and appear incapable of a conversation without your usual lashing out and name-calling.

You are shameless David's Mom. I get upset because of the false accusations that whites have failed to disavow that dirtbag David Duke and you try to change the subject by addressing my "lashing out and name calling" of this hatemonger rather than accepting that whites HAVE disavowed this racist bigot. But I suppose that accepting the FACT that whites DO disavow bigots like Duke would cause you to have to disavow bigots like Sharpton, Ayers, Wright, Diggs, Rangel, Stokes, Farrakhan, Jackson, McKinney, etc., to which you have historically refused to do.

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I have never 'avowed' any of the above. Can we move from the 'debate' to a conversation? I'm not going to debate anymore - I've done that for two years. The debate appears to be over - and we're trying to move on. First, I avow to stop painting the 'white' community with a broad brush. There are positions that leaders in our country take that I agree with and positions that leaders in our country take that I disagree with. I see a real effort among the younger generation in discussing issues rather than denigrating a group of people because SOME appear to have a different position on an issue. Obviously ALL whites have not disavowed Duke - and ALL blacks have not disavowed Jesse. Can we agree?

Once again you failed to back your accusations hurled against me as you dance about legitimate questions lodged your way as evidenced by the response I am addressing. No surprise...

Can we move from the 'debate' to a conversation? I'm not going to debate anymore

Debate = discussion of issues; consideration

Conversation = dialogue, discourse

Ummmm... Whut you mean? You wanna stop the convo?

First, I avow to stop painting the 'white' community with a broad brush

That's nice and mighty big of you... Heck 'I' don't even paint the 'black' community with broad brush. Enough said.

There are positions that leaders in our country take that I agree with and positions that leaders in our country take that I disagree with. I see a real effort among the younger generation in discussing issues rather than denigrating a group of people because SOME appear to have a different position on an issue.

Blah, blah, blah.... Let's see now... I see the younger generation denigrating other groups constantly when different perspectives on issues arise. Is your head buried in the sand or are you again seeing only what you want to see.

Obviously ALL whites have not disavowed Duke - and ALL blacks have not disavowed Jesse. Can we agree?

I agree DM. Not ALL whites HAVE disavowed Duke although the VAST majority of whites have. And yes....Not ALL blacks have disavowed Jesse and very few will. So see we do agree. Now then.... how about you David's Mom? Have you disavowed Jesse???? Hmmmmmm??? Let's hear it from your lips. It's easy.... all you have to do is say: I disavow Jesse Jackson and his double standard racist ways. Let's hear it.

Then perhaps we can move on so we can hear you disavow the racist practice of 'preferential treatment of minorities and other groups'.

I look forward to continuing this debate/conversation.

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Not ALL blacks have disavowed Jesse and very few will

If you LISTENED to 'blacks' - you would know that Jesse has been criticized (disavowed) not only by a majority of the 'black' community - but by his own son. He is however respected for what he accomplished during a very difficult time in our history - but he is judged by his current words and actions. Not many 'blacks' are following him today. I observe the younger generation in their actions; reactions towards one another. From what I observe, their parents have done a great job in helping them to judge by action and character and not by race.

Then perhaps we can move on so we can hear you disavow the racist practice of 'preferential treatment of minorities and other groups'.

The law is there for all Americans to receive justice - and it is being used correctly today. Note the New Haven firefighters. The days of whining over 'reverse discrimination' are over. If you feel you have been discriminated against - get a good lawyer. Preferential treatment is over Git. Either you're qualified or not. The younger minority generation is coming to the table with the tools. Can we say that we all disavow the racist practices of the past? Whenever an American observes one being treated unfairly due to race, sex, religion - their voices should be raised in a call for justice. That's where the younger generation is moving today. .imo. What is your opinion?

In a conversation, one does not dictate what another should say. I have said that there are some stands on issues from white and black leaders that I agree with - and some that I disagree with. If you cannot accept that - then I guess the conversation is ended. I won't replay the debate that we had years ago, Mr. Git.

I strongly disavowed David Duke. Now DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT disavow Jesse Jackson?

There is so much to address with some of the statement you just posted but as usual the readers are struggling to pin you down as to whether you are sincere about race relations of just giving it mere lip service when it benefits your beliefs.

Which is it? Do you disavow Jackson or not?

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Do you agree that all races should receive equal opportunity? I'm sure you do. All whites have not disavowed David Duke - and all blacks have not disavowed Jesse. This is a fact. Who cares who I disavow. I have stated quite clearly my respect for what Jesse did during the early days of the civil rights movement - and my disrespect for some of his later actions and words. You cannot dictate what I should say - but I hope you listen to what I say. I am dead serious about improving race relations in our country - and I see the younger generation moving beyond the past. I want to move with them.

And it DOES matter whether you disavow the bigoted Jackson or not. I am more that prepared to address the rest of your post but why bother if we can't even get past you disavowing a bigot like Jesse. You came out and made the claim that whites refused to disavow Duke and I boldly stepped up and disavowed that septic debris. Then I threw the claim back at you and asked if you would would disavow the bigot Jesse and you dance around the issue and refuse to. But that is what we've come to expect from our 'talk-out-of-both-sides-of-the-mouth' racial healing David's Mom.

Let's get past that so we can address what you stated next about racial preferences being the law.

So do you disavow the bigot Jesse or not?

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But that is what we've come to expect from our 'talk-out-of-both-sides-of-the-mouth' racial healing David's Mom.

I've answered your question. If you can't continue the discussion - so be it.

Yes or No.

Even you could read David Duke and find something you agree with. So stop dancing and take a stand. Do you or do you not disavow the bigoted Jesse Jackson?????

My dear... I AM continuing "the discussion".

Answer the question and we'll move on.

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Even you could read David Duke and find something you agree with.

NOT ONE WORD!! Case closed.

You KNOW exactly what I'm talking about and your refusal to disavow black racists says more about you than you can ever imagine or admit to.

Soooo.. let's see if I got this right. White racist = bad. Black racist = acceptable because they did something right once that David's Mom agreed to.

Case closed... yeah.. I can see why you are trying to bail on this one.

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What words of David Duke's do you agree with? RC and I have both stated that there are actions and words of certain leaders in this country that we do not agree with. What thoughts of Dukes towards minorities; foreigners, etc. do you agree with? Do you agree with his position regarding 'white supremacy'? I have stated that I do not agree with racist attitudes of our leaders; that includes Jesse, Al, Wright and whoever else has made you uncomfortable. This discussion/debate was held two years ago. The world has moved on. You called me a racist then - and you have not changed your opinion. I'm not bailing out because there are others in this country that are proceeding with the discussion with respect and looking for ways to heal this disease called racism. All have had experiences that have been considered 'racist' - but we're learning to talk together, and try to understand one another rather than denigrating each other and calling each other names. You are the one who seemingly can find words of an avowed white supremacist to agree with. I find nothing on his website that moves this country to racial harmony - or worldwide acceptance.

Perhaps this country is in serious trouble. That today was a beautiful day. Other than that.... probably not much. I have about as much love for him as I do for racist bigots such as Rangel, Wright and your boy Jesse. My views on White Supremacy David's Mom???? I disavow those views. Thought that was already cleared up with me disavowing Duke earlier.

You called me a racist then - and you have not changed your opinion.

Why is that David's Mom? Could it be with the FACT that you refuse to "disavow" the racists in the black community? Could it be how your refuse to disavow the racist practices of Affirmative Action while some justifying this race dividing issue by claiming it is the law. I suppose I could justify segregation by claiming those hideous practices were justified by "The Law".

You are the one who seemingly can find words of an avowed white supremacist to agree with.

Nice stretch their my old closet bigoted friend. You're really reaching there aren't you.

I find nothing on his website that moves this country to racial harmony - or worldwide acceptance.

Doubt I would either. Other than if he stated our country's liberties and freedoms are under assault and that affirmative action is a racist law. If that's the case then I could agree with that. But still yet I disavow his White Supremacy agenda. Now I know there are things Al, Jesse, Maxine, Wright, Gates and others of the black community say that I agree with. Not much albeit. LOL! But that doesn't mean I'm not going to "disavow" those clowns. So why don't you disavow them even if you might agree with a bit of what they've mouthed over the years???? Hey....Like I said DM. I think David Duke is piece of human debris and the world would be better off without him. And I think the same about the racists that you refuse to "disavow".

So disavow the racist Jackson and the racist affirmative action laws so we move on with more productive dialogue.

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Why do some think that public "Disavowal" is necessary? In my view, many of us are able to simply ignore those we disagree with or in other words, they simply become a "non-entity" and are never mentioned.

I'm being stubborn - and will not use the word 'disavow' - I have already stated that I disagree with some of the statements of previous black leaders. I agree with NOTHING that David Duke espouses. Now if you are also as stubborn as I am, the conversation is over. I will not debate you on what has happened in the past - we have both made our statements. I will repeat - I believe that all Americans, unfortunately, have a racist perspective. Racism started for me the day that I was born. I'm looking forward to the day when the United States will be like other countries and identify all of their citizens by their nationality (American) and not their race.

I'm being stubborn - and will not use the word 'disavow'

YOU are the one brought the word 'disavow' into this thread lady. YOU are the one that was chastising the white community for not "disavowing David Duke". I boldy and appropriately disavowed him and requested that you also disavow the racist of your race to which you stubbornly refuse. So why do you refuse? Because you don't want to admit you are wrong or because you will stand by black racists because they are... shall we say... Black?

I'm looking forward to the day when the United States will be like other countries and identify all of their citizens by their nationality (American) and not their race.

Yeah... me too. Hey.... which countries might that be?

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which countries might that be?

France, Italy, England, Norway, Sweden, Mexico, Canada, Japan, China, Russia, etc,, etc., etc.

God bless. Good bye.

You have got to be kidding. Shall we discuss each one these individually?

How about we start with France first. In the name of diversity and tolerance they have let in all those Islamo Facists that degrade women and have NO tolerance to those who have been so generous to them. I guess those riots last year were a figment of my imagination??? That place is getting pretty hairy in regards to race relations.

The same can be said for Italy, England, Norway, and Sweden not mention several other European countries.

Mexico.... Do you really want to go there? Do you really have a clue as to how the natives there treat and view the repressed blacks there? Make no mistake about it that you are MUCH better off being an African American rather than an African Mexican or an African Panamanian. Russia? China? etc. etc.?? Oh please....

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I have traveled to all of those countries mentioned - and been welcomed as an American! On the birth certificates of my relatives from different countries they are identified by their nationality - not their race. What you see in the upheaval in many countries, including Africa is based on class - not usually race with the exception of Britain - who started this mess in the first place.. . but they have noved on, Git you see the glass half empty - and your bitterness is overwhelming. I have come in contact with too many wonderful Americans who may disagree with my ideology - but at least can discuss race without having to prove their 'superior' knowledge. This isn't about knowledge - but ones personal experience. You appear to me to be an insecure white male - and I appear to you as a bigoted black racist. There it is. Nothing has changed in two years. When you were visitng these countries, were you welcomed? Were you able to mix with the people? Talk to them? When visitors were here in the 60's - they were amazed to note that not the entire country was embroiled in our protest as was reported by the news media. They were actually able to visit areas of the US that appeared quite sane. My point is that I was identified as an American in other countries - not a black/white/ green or yellow person - but an American. I love being an American - and in France, we were treated much better than our white fellow travelers. Jossephine Bakers children have on their birth certificate - French - not black, white, or other reference to 'race'. I told you what is on my birth certificate. Thank heavens for Passports. - No where on my birth certificate does it state that I'm American - except that I was born in Callifornia. Racism before I left the hospital! Everything that I say will be disputed by you. If it is done with respect, fine. But you have not been able to do that- because you do not respect me. The feeling is mutual. Lets call it quits.

I have mentioned to you before that I do not typically discuss race on here for obvious reasons. I did enter into one discussion with you about race a while back. I have seen you mention on this blog numerous times about race on your birth certificate "identifying you". I just cannot understand how this is such a mortal wound to you.

It is on all of our birth certificates. Mine says "white" as plain as day. That does not mean that I won the race lottery. Was that "Racism before I left the hospital" in my case? That is how you come across with this complaint. It really makes one think your issue is what your race happens to be, not that it is listed on a piece of paper. I have trouble seeing how that piece of paper has impacted my life at all. People pretty much pick up on what color I am when they see me. It is a micro-second analysis that happens when you lay eyes on someone for the first time. Because we are not all the same shade, it is a distinguishing characteristic. Much like you ascertain that someone is male or female, hopefully.

I also don't get your preoccupation with it not stating you are "American". It is a document that says Dept of HEW, U.S. Dept of Health. Mine also has Georgia Dept of Health on it too. That pretty much means I am American if my birth was recorded in the U.S and Georgia Depts of Health. Every country I have visited has accepted me as a white American, because that is what I am. Side note - I seem to recall the blacks on Tortola in the BVI did not seem overly "welcoming" to a white person, but that may have just been my little personal perception. I could have cared less anyway. I was there to go sailing, not make new friends.

Here is my point. I have read about the doctor accomodating you and listing you other than black, for hospital reasons. Wasn't that 70 years ago? I think you identified the problem yourself, but have failed to achieve the same thing. You said:

" What you see in the upheaval in many countries, including Africa is based on class - not usually race with the exception of Britain - who started this mess in the first place.. . but they have noved on..."

I gather you meant "moved" on? From my perspective at least, it sounds like someone else should do the same.

If you are the same generation as I am - having 'white' on your birth certificate gave you certain privileges that I could not have until 1964. White people come in all colors - but by visual observation - are white. Black people come in all colors - but if visual observation determines that the 'black' is not easily discernable, records are/were checked. I wish you felt more comfortable joining the conversation - because your hesitance reflects that many of us have not 'moved on'. . .or are in need of a reality check.

I seem to recall the blacks on Tortola in the BVI did not seem overly "welcoming" to a white person, but that may have just been my little personal perception.

Did you read the book The Ugly American? Many in the black diasporas have been aware of the treatment of blacks in the US throughout history - and are very hesitant to extend friendship to white Americans. This perception has changed in the last 10 to 15 years. . .but perceptions are hard to break. I also noticed a difference in treatment of white Americans in the islands.

"I wish you felt more comfortable joining the conversation - because your hesitance reflects that many of us have not 'moved on'. . .or are in need of a reality check."

The reason I don't like discussing race on here is the same as I told you before. You will never change my mind and I will never change yours. That applies to most everyone else as well. Your perspective depends on what you have experienced. The experiences you write about here are very different from mine. I never had a cousin killed by people who hated them.

I also know my race hasn't bought me jack. I've had to earn every single thing I got. I made my own breaks. I went to school and learned because I had a mother who let me know that was expected. I went to work and have a great work ethic because my parents taught me that too. I know I wasn't hired because I'm white, because there were as many (or more) minorities hired as white people where I work. I started at the very bottom because I wasn't too damn good for the job. My parent's tough love made me what I am. Everyone else doesn't have that same luck, and that is a shame.

You know what though? That is why I view what happened back then as....the past. History. That happened back then. I was never involved in any of that. To my knowledge, nobody in my family was ever involved in it either. That is why I have zero "white guilt" and never will. Expecting me to have guilt for those crimes is like me asking you or every other black person I meet to feel some "black guilt". Do you have guilt over all the crimes being committed by blacks currently? Do you owe me anything because you are the same color as those committing the majority of crimes as we speak? Of course not. Those people are no more you than the white people who were involved in that are me.

That is why I have nothing to "move on" from. I don't know if I need a reality check(your words) or not. I just know it's a shame everyone can't just acknowledge that it happened and "move on" (again, your words). As I've written here before, there are lots of folks who prosper financially and otherwise by keeping the racial pot stirred. I also know lots of people resent that mindset that people living today are "entitled" to anything because of the past.

To me, that is the crux of the problem. Some folks think they are owed something because of the past (reparations, remedies, quotas). Some folks think they don't owe anything for something that happened decades ago. Those feelings are mutually exclusive. It is what it is. History cannot be changed. It's over, for some.

Thank you for sharing. In reality we probably have more in common than we realize - and this is why conversations are important. I do understand why it is difficult to discuss these issues on a blog like this. I hope that you have some trusted friends that you can feel comfortable in discussing the race situation in our country. Not all blacks are liberal - and you may find blacks with the same ideology that you have. I also was brought up in a home where I was taught a strict work ethic. During my development years - there were no preferences for minorities - in fact it was quite the opposite - but we were encouraged by the leaders in our community to work hard and achieve despite the so-called odds. The leaders in my community, whom I respect - parents, religious leaders, teachers, etc. teach those same work ethics today. And despite the statistics - there are many minority children who are adhering to the American work ethic. I would hope that you would not allow statistics to be your only referernce to the lives and aspirations of minorities. As a resident in Fayette County - there are more college educated and hard working minorities than in many other counties in this country. I hope you get to relate to some. Don't have fear of having a discussion with someone you trust. Not all minorities are angry or fearful of whites. I too worked very hard for what I have - as did my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents. My grea-great grandparents worked hard for someone else - without the benefit of pay. Our family has also had the experience of knowing persons who are white who have been very encouraging and supportive of all of our effort. Freedom and progress in race-relations takes the effor of all Americans. Again, thanks for sharing.

But I lost it somehow?

So for the sake of breavity and realizing my "superior knowledge" would be ignored by your "superior knowledge" I shall somewhat rest for the evening. In closing:

But you have not been able to do that- because you do not respect me. The feeling is mutual.

As evidenced earlier by your statment earlier regarding whites not "disavowing" David Duke and after I disavowed him boldly and without reserve you once again prove your unbalance version of equality in America by refusing to disavow boldly and clearly the bigots the blacks harbor and protect. Then to justify racial bigotry and preferences by justifying affirmative action as being the law really tops the cake. You expect my side to give it all without you doing the same. Can you with intellectual honesty see why I refuse to "respect" those shameless views? So no... I do NOT respect you when you embrace your bigoted views that give blacks racial superiority. No respect at all.....

Lets call it quits.

As I've stated before..... I'll quit responding to you on the Citizen and cease posting on race when you quit posting your unbalanced version of racial healing and equality. Otherwise "disavow" your racist attitudes and perhaps you will see my so-called bitterness disappear. Until then.... as long as you defend reverse racism.... forget it. I'll be right here with you.

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Why do some think that public "Disavowal" is necessary? In my view, many of us are able to simply ignore those we disagree with or in other words, they simply become a "non-entity" and are never mentioned. Until his name just surfaced here, I honestly can't remember the last time I saw Duke's name mentioned. And let's face it, politicians do "disavowals" quite often and just what do they mean? Not much! Just my .02 worth.

David Duke's Platform

I don't need to go to his website to disavow that hatemonger.

Now let us hear you now disavow the likes of Rangel, Sharpton, McKinney, Farrakhan, and Maxine Waters.

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I disavow that cop in Boston that called that racist professor a banana eating monkey or whatever. What a chump... sounds like Evil Elvis. Now let me hear you disavow Charlie Rangel or any of the other's on the list above.

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I've answered. Sorry you can't hear.

Boy do I hear you ever sooooo clearly.

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They know that they are not "above" the law.

They are trying to indicate that they are "picked on."

Some are more "verbal" than others---especially if somewhat limited in thought patterns, and strike out loudly and foul mouthed to make up for it.

It is also often just a bluff to see if it will work.

This type of attitude is true of all races--just that some seem to have more of them due to circumstances.

How do you think they are picked on? Is it because they have to follow normal procedures like everyone else? Is it because they have to follow a cops instructions like everyone else?

Instead of being belligerent Gates should have been grateful that cops don't just let anyone go into another persons home without checking IDs. Gates should have been grateful that he has good neighbors who look out for each other. Instead he saw an opportunity to pull the race card. All he was doing was trying to further the agenda of pulling the race card to get by in life. This time I think it backfired big time.

They THINK they are picked on! From past history--at least up through Rodney. And the guy up north they took into the bathroom with a mop handle.
They THINK it is better to fight and fuss than be docile--they might get off easier if they don't turn their back!

They are of course wrong most of the time.

The Professor once the cop made known who he was should have fully cooperated without much noise.

The cop in plain clothes whould not have gone onto the porch and peeped into a window. Should have waited for backup and then asked him to come out for i.d.

I'm not sure that Harvard University and the Professors there get along too well with the PD. Most Universities have their own cops.

And by the way EVERYONE else do not follow "normal procedure."

Human stupidity is most definitely limited to the human race, but I see your point now.

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I would say this guy has a "chip" on his shoulder. He will be looking for a new job soon.

I'm sure you're right. No respected police department wants an officer of this caliber on the street or in their department. The thought may never be removed - but we cannot have public service personnel feeling free to 'act' on these thoughts. It will be interesting to see the result of today’s 'beer fest' with the families of Gate, Crowley, and Obama. The lesson? Americans can get together to discuss an unfortunate incident. I hope the point of the discussion is 'Where do we go from here?'

If you can't close out your emphasis then just don't use them.

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Obviously, at least one person or more is lying in this situation to begin with. I don't see much for the media to check out since people have a tendency to lie suddenly when confronted, and this means good ratings for the media. The idea that they are somehow interested in the "truth" or "reality" is beyond ludicrous and isn't in their job description.

Maybe the lady did or didn't meet with Crowley outside of her home and say "black" or not......who knows? Crowley says "yes," her lawyer says "no." OK, so what?

What the whole situation reeks of his why a President shouldn't be running his mouth off about something he had NO IDEA about it except his friend gets arrested for being a jackass around the cops, something that has been getting people of all races arrested for since law enforcement was created.

Previous unjust encounters with law enforcement doesn't give anyone or any group a free pass to act like an idiot in the future and expect no consequences. There isn't any dispute that Gates blew his stack, the only dispute is to whether that the fact that he's black means that it's OK or do that or not.

Of course he does. He was wrong, our President was wrong, the cop was right. When the police arrived at Gates home they didn’t know if he was the home owner, was the owner but had an intruder he wasn't aware of or had a family member being held by bad guys. The professor should have shown ID, let the police check the house and they would have left. Contrary to popular belief, many police like nothing more than a totally boring day.

Colors, and the determination of who was right or wrong at any particular time aside, the end result of this episode, and not the people involved, can be called stupid, because no crime was committed by Gates therefore no arrest was needed. Egos clashed, and illogical emotions rather than common sense prevailed. The president's initial assessment was correct, but he does have a lot of ruffled feathers to smooth back down now that he has become involved. Hindsight being what it is, everyone could have handled the situation better, the president included, but they do know better now, and that is what moving on is all about.

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"I cant expect white people to know what its like to experience that. You dont have the capacity to understand the little nuances of hatred." What an incredibly ignorant statement. All you truly know is YOUR experience as a black woman with thick lips, curly hair, and a 145 IQ. You have no idea what my capacity is nor what I think. I am a white woman with thin lips, straight hair, and an unknown IQ (IQ has been shown to be dynamic, changeable throughout an individual's lifespan). I struggled to get through college and to get jobs to support my two lovely children and sorry, white (now-ex)husband. I have encountered people who evidenced the mindset that I am an emotional basket case and a sex object (i.e., a woman); that I want a sexual tryst with a black man (i.e., a Southern white woman); that I treat my black students unfairly because of their skin color (i.e., a white teacher); I could go on. I have observed black store clerks treat black customers preferentially over white customers, and I have seen white store clerks do the same with white customers. I have also observed those of both races treat ALL customers kindly and graciously. I do not have your experience or anyone else's, and you don't have mine or anyone else's. You would demonstrate superior values to your children if you merely pointed out differences in INDIVIDUALS rather than in races. Your racial profiling does nothing to further the abolishment of stereotypes, and your anger stunts the intellectual potential of a 145 IQ.

If we could ever have the conversation regarding race-relations in America - these similarities in experience would help to lead us to better understanding.

the BIG CHIP on the shoulder of the Black Community.. Almost every "Conversation" starts with the premises that they are owed something.. That they are always the aggreved party.. DM there is a huge problem with race relations agreed... First place to start however is to drop the chip.. understand that the white race of today has nothing to do with Slavery and in fact 110,070 +/- (White People) died over that issue... isn't that enough?
Look inward.. that's where the problem arises.. Once the Black Community relealizes that a majority of crimes commited are by Blacks on Blacks and actually does something about it then a real "Conversation" can begin..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine