Beware: In PTC, sidewalks are not for golf carts

Tue, 07/21/2009 - 3:38pm
By: Letters to the ...

As we were returning home by golf cart from The Avenue along Ga. Highway 74 between Paschall Road and Kelly Drive, a Peachtree City patrol car stopped us and issued a ticket for “golf cart violation.”

We had been traveling south on the sidewalk toward our home on Lakewood Lane. We were ticketed for using the new sidewalk.

This came as a complete surprise since it seemed safer to use the sidewalk rather than drive in traffic on the roads (Paschall and Dividend Drive) where there is no cart path or sidewalk.

I asked the officer what the Hwy. 74 sidewalks are intended for if not pedestrians and golf cart use.

He politely advised that they are for pedestrians only. (I travel Hwy. 74 everyday and have yet to see a pedestrian on the new sidewalks).

When I asked how we should proceed to get home since we were in front of NCR, we were directed by the officer to turn around and go back to Paschall and Dividend to get home.

As we approached the corner of Hwy. 74 and Paschall we saw two other golf carts. One was on the northbound sidewalk, so we warned them about the rules, for which they thanked us.

The other was moving east on Paschall and had not yet entered the sidewalk before we were able to warn them. They also expressed dismay and thanked us.

I have been aware that golf carts are not allowed on hwys. 54 and 74, but this rule was in place before the sidewalks were built along Hwy. 74.

We presently use the older sidewalks along roads like Hip Pocket and other streets in older areas of town, so why not along Hwy. 74? If golf carts are not safe on the new Hwy. 74 sidewalks, how safe are pedestrians?

I understand the Georgia DOT required that the sidewalks be built even though pedestrians aren’t likely to use them and golf carts aren’t allowed to use them. This expenditure of taxpayer money appears to be another example of more government waste where we all can see it.

I strongly suggest that the City put up “Golf carts not allowed on sidewalk” signs at each intersection on Hwy. 74 where there are new sidewalks.

Robert and Charlotte Graves

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by normal on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 12:17pm.

Isnt it kind of common sense when you see a narrow sidewalk that is hardly wide enough for a golf cart let a lone meeting an on comming cart that it is NOT for golf carts. I am pretty sure even the young kids know that much. Its kind of like the sign that says use kelly drive tunnel dont cross highway 74 at Paschal rd. How many adults think that the sign does not apply to them. I hope PTC police give out truck loads of tickets. Just like hwy 54 and PT Pkwy by Ruby Tuesday. That is for pedestrians and bikes only. But every day you see the intelligent adults driving across there. Its hardly wide enought for a bike. Its pick on the adult day. Come on now. Let us use our brains.

Submitted by snowbird on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 7:05pm.

Maybe an alternate idea for the sidewalk problem along 74 might be helpful. Authorities will soon have to concede that sidewalks built for pedestrians are also safe for golf carts. Since the already built sidewalks are unlikely to be changed in any shape or form, how about designating sidewalks on one side of 74 to be used by northbound golfcarts only and sidewalks on the other side for those traveling south....the direction being same as traffic flow? Simple markings could designate the direction and even though there are not many places to cross over 74 at this time, at least this designation would make those sidewalks somewhat useful...and used.

Jamie Walsh
Peachtree City, GA.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 3:10am.

You all don't seem to get the point: those walks are Georgia's walks---not PTC.

What would a person in a wheelchair do if he met a cart on those narrow walks?

Where would a bike go? etc.You aren't thinking!

Someday there will be tons of businesses or condos along there!

Carts will have to go in the back, assuming that PTC doesn't outlaw them once they don't want to maintain the paths. I know the cops would like to close them now.

Submitted by CuriousBob on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 3:56am.

So, does this logic mean that we all have been illegal in operating our CG's on Hip Pocket sidewalks?

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 3:12am.

Think a minute! Hip pocket is a PTC street! Yet they probably are still illegal to cart on.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 8:38am.

I believe the proximity to the State Highway has something to do with the rules re Golf Cart operation. The sidewalk down hwy 74S is narrow, and close to the roadway.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 5:20am.

And no golf carts are allowed?

Who screwed that up? DOT is not easy to deal with, but they can be swayed sometimes by common sense, especially if there is a safety-related element to the argument.

Who was mayor or city manager or public safety director when the widening of 74 was approved. And which one was asleep at the switch and didn't understand that with over 10,000 golf carts in the city that this might be an issue? Good God, what is the matter with you people? Pay attention - you work for us - the citizens and taxpayers.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 7:04am.

somehow I expected more of you than this. "Pay attention-you work for us-the citizens and taxpayers" Certainly you don't believe that. Afterall, we, the citizens and taxpayers, of Fayette County have continued to send the same bunch of pols (or at least, similar bunch of pols) back to City Hall, the County Commission, the BOE election cycle after election cycle. Come on, know better than to believe that they actually work for the citixens and taxpayers. Keep the faith

Even a dead fish can go with the flow

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 7:53am.

At least the staff should act like professionals and present alternative and creative ideas to those who vote on things and are supposedly in charge. The staff is certainly good at filling out grant applications, so why can't they use that talent to petition DOT for an alternative design. Surely no one - even in DOT believes that the sidewalks will be used. Lots of money spent for nothing on the sidewalks.

Cartpaths on the other side of the walls would be cheaper, safer and much more useful. Why wasn't that considered?

And why in the world are the guardrails inside he sidewalks instead of outside - next to the highway? What sense does that make?

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Submitted by TinCan on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 12:49pm.

You're not paying attention. When I posed the same question about guardrail placement Bonkers supplied the answer. They keep short people from tagging the walls.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 07/28/2009 - 8:58am.

If you remember one of my issues in 2007 was talking to DOT about how 74 was to be done since the Council position at that time was 'not our jurisdiction.'

Sturbuam and I have pushed for changing some things on 74 with DOT since we got on and have had some success via Staff talking to DOT once instructed to do so.

The walls are right back against private property lines and hill banks. So, to put them behind would mean having to move the walls closer to the road. At some locations that would mean the walls would be against 74, which would look terrible.

Not saying a better design was impossible, but I am not sure what it would have been with the pinch points along 74 between the wall and 74.

As for being sidewalks, we know they have to be widened to accommodate golf carts. Should have been discussed a few years ago, but wasn't, since Council said it just wasn't Council jurisdiction.

And by the way, you keep referring to the Mayor or City Manager as being solely responsible for initiating such communication. They are not. Council Members can do so either individually or by majority over the Mayor. Staff does not work for the Mayor only. It works for all of Council, as a group or individually.

The Mayor does not control Council agendas or individual Council Members as your writing seem to imply. He is powerful but not that powerful. So your girl Plunkett is just as responsible as Logsdon is in this issue.

You are completely right GDOT is not easy to deal with. With the economy down even more than ever. As well DOR and EPA are more than difficult at times.

Maybe that will answer some questions posed.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:47am.

You are showing your superiority again.
You should know that State highways with sidewalks do not allow golf carts to run on them!

Besides they are too narrow to pass each other in opposit directions and walkers and handicapped would have to really scramble what with these 25 MPH racers! How about ATVs on them also?

Had you ever thought that they are required for the handicapped to get around? All things aren't done by idiots, just most!


Submitted by lifeinptc on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 10:49am.

If I did I would simply pull off the path and let them pass. I would hope that anyone would. For the one idiot out there who may not yield to a wheel chair, a million tickets and signs won't fix him or her. It's ridiculous to spend that much money on a pathway, in a town with that many golf carts, and forbid them from traversing it. When my wife and I encountered the pathway on 74 we decided it must be for golf carts too because there were tire yaw marks on the path. If I got a ticket on that path I'd cry entrapment due to the allure of the nice new concrete apparent thoroughfare.

Submitted by LostIslander on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 9:06am.

What's a "yaw"?

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 11:04am.

A "yaw"

Is: A Scandinavian's JAW.

It is the only way he can pronounce that word!

Some of the airline pilots will tell you it is flying slightly sideways but don't you believe such nonsense.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 3:04pm.

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Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 3:30pm.

Isn't that where one can sail into the wind and not require any following wind into the sail?

Or is that "tacking" of a yawl?

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 4:32pm.

are terms most commonly used to describe the movement of space vehicles, but if you want to know more about fixed wing acft "flying sideways", Google "sideslipping".

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 3:48pm.

It's a sailboat where the tiller or wheel is ahead of the mizzen mast.
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Submitted by AtHomeGym on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 12:12pm.

Of course you can--I have done it. In a twin-engine Beechcraft, by severe cross-controlling you can "flat turn" the plane sideways. We did it for technical purposes and some plane drivers were much better than others. Some were known to pop rivets so severely did they flat turn the plane.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 3:40pm.

Well. back in my younger and dumber days I took a friend up in his Taylorcraft - AKA "T" Crash - to introduce him to some "mild" aerobatics.

We got up to 3,000 feet over San Pedro Harbor and I told him to "watch this". I yanked the yoke back and stomped hard on the rudder and started a beautiful snap roll. It was beautiful all right up till a rather large "bang" from the empanage.

I lighted up on the controls as we went inverted not wanting to shed any pieces. I don't know how I managed but, we never exceeded the VNE and came out out of the bottom upright and made it back to the airport.

The cause, the old cotton muslin had pulled from the empanage and snapped back.
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Submitted by AtHomeGym on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 4:13pm.

Actually, they came mostly from a single Engine DeHavilland RU-6 "Beaver", not from the Twin-Engine Beechcraft.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 4:32pm.

Never flew one of those. I do have some time in civilian U-10 Helio Courier. That was a hoot to fly.
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Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 1:48pm.

I knew it!

Someone would fall for the satire.

A pilot it appears.

The space station Yaws all of the time, doesn't it? Except for re-entry of the shuttle.

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Mon, 09/14/2009 - 4:25pm.

No, not a rated one. I was enlisted and while I normally flew as a "Technical Operator", there were times when it was necessary for me to sit in the Right Seat, handle all the Navaids and A/G Comms. And would you like to guess what you do when the Aircraft Commander(Pilot) unlocks the single control panel, flips it over to your side and says "Here, you fly this thing for awile, I'm gonna have some coffee." Why you fly the damn thing, of course. Of course he knew what I had enough right seat hrs to know what I was doing and since I was already in charge of navigation (Doppler Radar) and comms, all I had to do was drive it around the sky in our established "racetrack" pattern, making every attempt to stay straight & level. Gotterdun!

Submitted by Dondol on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 11:15am.

There are 2-3 people that are wheelchair bound that use the cartpaths
around three ponds that I see frequently and everyone is very respectful of them even, believe it or not the teenagers.

Obama's weapon of Choice!

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 10:55am.

I can barely remember the days of one-lane gravel rutty roads where everybody had to yield for everything coming!

These roads weren't built however they were worn into the land. (No I'm not talking about the westward Ho people--sometime in the 30s.)

Just as buildings have handicapped things by law, so does main roads within a city.

I know some want to use everything even if not intended for them to use! Have you kept any billfolds you found with money in it lately?

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 3:15pm.

Just to make sure they got there, I'm headed to Bozeman, Montana tomorrow to check them out. Be back in a week.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 11:11am.

Egad Bonker$!!! Please don't tell us your memory is not failing!!! As the resident OG (old guy) we depend on you for.......................someone help me out here. Smiling

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Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 11:36am.

Riding in those covered wagons on all those rutty roads scrambled poor Bonkie's brain. Sometimes if he shakes his head enough every thing falls into place and the synapses start synapsing and there is a moment of lucidity---then it goes away and we have our everyday, Bonkie. We really depend on Bonkie for a lot of things: occasionally comic relief even though we know that is not his intent, to get our juices flowing when he irritates us, to use everyone of our senses and faculties to figure out just what the heck he is talking about--like the wallet statement---did he lose his wallet along with his senses? He gives a whole new meaning to train of thought process. But, hey, he is our Bonkie and we love and treasure him. We should have a coffee in his honor, then take him fishing, then out to each of our favorite restaurants for our favorite meals--where we will all have several alcoholic beverages as we discuss the merits of kayaking as opposed to canoeing,then each of us share the joys of our latest vacation. By this time he would be in a catatonic state and we could have a brain scan done just to see what does go on in that cranium. It would certainly be a boon to medical science.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 1:45pm.

Syndesis is my thing. Although both entities were of the XX-Y variety.
Must I explain everything? The "wallet incident" meant that the same kind of person who would keep someone's money is the same kind.......well you know....I'm just sayin!

I don't do coffees with clods, er...calaMITIES.

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Submitted by Mike King on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 11:15am.

Would the term "institutional" knowledge be appropriate? Sorry Bonker$,I just couldn't help it.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 1:35pm.

I think you belonged to an "institution" for over 20 years, didn't you? Think differently!

Submitted by lifeinptc on Tue, 08/11/2009 - 11:04am.

Do you drink while you blog? If you still remember when you drove the roads in the 30's you probably shouldn't be driving the golf cart paths today.

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