Longevity in "servitude" means absolutely nothing! Hitler did "servitude" much longer than Cheney.

Don't you mean on the tax payroll, or becoming a multi-millionaire as a rresult of the servitude, or something else other than "servitude?

What CIA director said Cheney didn't order something? He doesn't and can't order it. He relays information!!! So does Biden.

your problem(s). One more time--Cheney made his money as CEO of a multi-national corporation--that means responsibility for profit & loss and the well being of humdreds of employees. Those are things that some people can't handle--or at least successfully. He did. And I suspect he would tell you today that, while he was certainly within his legal rights to go the deferment route, that's not something he's particularly proud of. On the other side of the coin, I'm not particularly proud of the 2 1/2 yrs I spent in Vietnam either but then again, I was a professional soldier and it was my job.

He did a fine job in 'Nam. Oh, wait, he and Stockman and bunch of the other RAYguns had "Better things to do." Same can be said of the Bush twins & their good looking cousin on the current (to loosely quote Uncle Walter), "Quagmire" in Iraq. Let's not forget that TX was not attacked while Duby was "flying" & dodging.

Think of it this way: Dick Cheney (A V.P.) served as long as Bill Clinton (draft dodger in Russia smoking weed but not inhaling)and Obama (living with an illegal Pakistani immigrant selling cocaine who tooted some himself) and Joe Biden (5 military deferments) combined.

So, you voted for Bush, Dole and McCain (all who served) over Clinton, Clinton, and Obama (who did NOT serve)- right?

People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

The "better things to do" that Cheney said, was to go to school instead of help fight the war! 3-4 deferrments.
By the time that thing was over with 50,00 dead and those serving got home, Cheney had graduated and starting getting rich!! "Better things to do."

Some people are too smart and too good to do much fighting. They really don't even care about the ones who do.

Yet, if they say "family values, three times, and no women's rights twice (while three in their expanded family have abortions), and "cut taxes on the rich four times"....the rest doesn't matter.
That is assuming they aren't caught with their Mr. or Mistress!

That is why that party is dying.

It's obvious you don't even know what you're complaining about. The accusation was that Cheney had ordered the CIA Director not to tell Congress about a certain CIA operation in the planning stages. And Cheney earned much of whatever his worth is by working as a private citizen--you know, one of those activities we Americans can do and if we're successful, enjoy the results. And the former CIA Director was Michael Hayden. Take a break. The weekend is coming up.

General Hayden was the daddy of the illegal wiretaps on individual and then destroyed some of the evidence.
He does say he did not get instructions from VP Cheney to NOT report the secret assassinations on foreign soil program to congress. I'm sure he did not get "instructions" (suggestions, maybe?) as such! Whether or not they might have killed someone we may never know.
If Hayden did what they said he did with the phones, then he was capable of assassination (unauthorized) plots.

Enough "others" have said that it happened for congress to start hearings soon!

I don't know if even congress wants us to know or not---we will see.

Power seems to corrupt some to think they know when they can violate the law for our "good."

Should we not have some standards on here?

Room temperature IQ, for example.

Or, no drinking during the day?

Why do we have to endure this stuff, Cal. Free speech is ok for most people, but this Bonkers dude gives free speech a bad name.

Can we throw him off the island, Cal?

Don't like the truth in plain Missouri English, huh?
Yes, we need some standards, but not all right-wing false spiritualistic.
That leads to tribal failure. Not learning anything from history is a continuing mistake.

BUI- Blogging under the influence...lol.

Just when you think he is improving he goes off the deep end again. Can't someone take him to the arts and crafts lessons at the senior center or something? I think he needs a hobby. Did he attend the coffee and do his corner bit with the dark glasses and recording device hidden in his shoe?

What part is the "deep end?" Aintnoway?

Anything Independent and not right wing and that doesn't ignores bad stuff?

Like a whore throwing an appreciation seminar! BYOB!

Are you saying we should "respect" them as people or as leaders?

They were just what I said! Also, being in the upper class, they did lead!

Just as burning witches and the Catholic Inquisition in 1600s and before was OK, so was what they did in the 1700s! Even King Solomon and David were leches and killers, among leadership!

We can say what they were and did without leading our youth into lack of knowledge!

I'll bet your respect isn't too much for Clinton. Truman, Johnson, Kennedy, Roosevelt, and of course Carter!

How about Father Reagan?

about what I respect.."I'll bet your respect isn't too much for Clinton. Truman, Johnson, Kennedy, Roosevelt, and of course Carter!"

Actually I have a lot of respect for all.. as the Office Holder of President.. Some of their decisions .. now that's another story.

However, what you obviously miss here.. is not one of these built a NATION.. Crafted a document that was so forward thinking that over 200 years later is still admired and copied all over the world. Here in America not so much anymore I am afraid.

Different times call for different leaders.. What is acceptable behavior then is not now.. Today may not be acceptable tomorrow.. and on and on...

Look at you.. during the McCarthy years you would be in prison.. ahhh the "Good old days"..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

On a scale of 1-10, where does (respect wise) Obama as the President, stand with you?

Once upon a time many, many moons ago I had to memorize, as a President of the JAYCEES, something which included:

"We are a nation of laws, not of men!"

We do change the laws and the Constitution, but whatever is listed there must have some kind of respect. Abortion is allowed under extreme circumstances and doctors say when!

Thank goodness we have some kind of term limits, although they are not short enough.

I listened to the McCarthy hearings!

Do you remember "is there sir no depth to which you will not stoop in order to ruin the life of this young man?" Or an approximation.

The alcoholic brain-damaged Wisconsin Senator had questioned the sexual persuasion of a person which had no bearing whatsoever with communism!

Only Cal can do such as that on here. Which heads roll is important sometimes.

The current sitter is just a guy.. Like many others but not like most.
Obama is fundamentally changing America.. He is transforming America into something I cannot even conceptualize..
What he and the Democratic controlled Congress is doing to us is as close to Treason as one can get without opening the doors to a foreign power.

So do I respect Obama... Short answer ... NO.

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

180 days makes him a traitor---also 5 hundred, plus congress people!

Now the mess we are currently in sems to me to be more grounds for treason on somebody!