it is very disturbing. It sounds like the locals are trying to cover it up. They say is is not a hate crime! That there were no other cases reported. It sounds like the police department must be black and happy these people were hurt! Someone else blogged in the same paper that black gangs were attacking others leaving a 4 July fireworks display!

I think Avenger has a pretty good idea. Go back to Africa, David's Mom. Seems the only nice people live there.

I'm using the apostrophe mark incorrectly - but thanks!

I don't make you sick - our problem with 'racism' in this country makes you sick. War has not been declared on 'white' people. Racism is continuing to destroy us as a nation because of the inability to handle this legacy of Jim Crow, etc. The NAACP is not a domestic terrorist organization. . . but I don't agree with the president of the organization regarding his recent statement. I have not seen an 'all-white' fire department/station in a long time in the US. I think the younger generation, both white and minority have the legal recourse to challenge any act of discrimination on the job site. (Note New Haven firefighters) That is what the civil rights movement was all about. Complain to your own media organizations at the lack of equal reporting regarding racist activities in our country. I understand the fear and helplessness this family must have felt. Activity like this is totally unacceptable whether it happens in the 'white' community or the 'black' community. Why didn't you bring this up before? Where is your outrage? This is the first time that I heard about this incident. Trying to hide any form of racism by 'silence' makes me 'sick'.

It is obvious you surf the papers for any hint of racism (white on black only), then pounce on it before you have any of the facts. In your surfing, you would have written the Akron deal off cause whitie got what he deserved. You hatred of whites is toxic.

You keep quoting others with your same mind set which means you have no proof of racisim.

The members who's kids were there are quoted as saying..they didn't know they were comming, and all 65 apparently came at once. They have said it was a saftey issue, but you refuse to belive that. According to you they should have 65 extra kids in the water without supervision just because they are black!

Which brings me to, a day care ...should..have so many adults per x number of kids...where were they? "Comming up the hill?" It sounds like the daycare was going to palm 65 kids off.

Now let me tell you how it works on my end, a concerned parent. If, my child was 6-9, going to a pool for the 1st time, I would take off work and go to watch them, or have called ahead to find out the policies and how many lifeguards were on duty. Did they have a place separate for the ones who couldn't swim? Where all the day care workers going to attend so that the ratio of adults would be the same as at the day care?

Just a few questions a normal parent would ask first. And of course, if it turned out not the way I liked, I wouldn't be yelling discrimnation.

You see, many things in life are not to our liking, that is why we have to make adult decisions and not expect people to change everything around to accomodate us. At some point you have to be a responsible parent. That is why the parents that were there took theirs out...it was too crowded and ill supervised, (camp leaders problem maybe?) No, couldn't be in your eyes cause she's black. It is all the people at the pools fault for not assumming she would dump 65 unattended kids on them.

You are right, the pool club should have known that was the way it was gonna turn out from the get go! Is't that what you have come to expect? Whites bending over backwards, cause they know you ain't gonna get it right?

There is no bigger racist on these blogs in my opinion. The sadist thing is that she truly has no clue that she is so one sided and selectively bigoted. But then again most racists aren't.

Now we begin to get two sides to this story. The Center claims that they had 8 chaperones with the students. That is something that can be checked. The president of the Club has apologized - and said the situation was not based on 'race'. If the invited children had been white, I imagine that the rules of the pool would have been explained to the chaperones; arrangements would have been made to allow only a limited number of students in the pool while the Center staff would supervise other activities until such time as the remaining students could enter the pool. This is how overcrowding has been handled when students from a summer school or camp have been at a site - and there were too many to handle in the pool at one time. I agree that this was an example of extremely poor management. I also feel that there was a factor of racism involved. Suggarfoot - turn down the 'hate'. It detracts from your credibility.

"If the invited children had been white, I imagine that the rules of the pool would have been explained to the chaperones, arrangements would have been made...."

Do you hear yourself?

The reason I respond to you is you are insulting to every white...and black...that try to put racism behind them and walk on as people. You want to smear people's face in it constantly.

After someone this morning, posted a link to a man in Akron getting beaten, I read that and googled Philadelphia, black, and attack, and came up with some pretty scary stuff.

I don't normally do that because I choose to see blacks as being individuales. If I made a point to look for that kind of stuff, I could scare myself to death. But what is the point.

I think you really need to talk to a councilor, a black one, and get some help, before some swat team has to drag you and your oozie off a roof top shooting at whitie.

Trying to hide any form of racism by 'silence' makes me 'sick'. . . and it doesn't matter if the perpetrators are black, white, or green. No one is 'insulted' by dealing with the reality of this situation. It is sad. The president and his wife (Valley Club) tried to apologize - and gave the director of the center credit - but come now - SHE HAD 8 CHAPERONES THERE with 55 kids - and he had 3 lifeguards. The pool was not small - but certainly not large enough to handle all of those kids plus the children of the club members. You know in your heart that if some parents had not made the statements regarding fearing 'black' children, the situation MAY have been handled differently. As for the Akron incident - I did not bring that to the attention of this blog - I knew nothing about it. It is disgusting - and what is more disgusting is that evidently the national media is trying to hide that under the rug. Now who does that help? Don't cover your previous ignorant statements by now trying to handle this with some dignity. We won't stop racism by ignoring it - or wishing it away. These incidents are not as numerous as in previous years - and progress is being made. It is imperative that Americans make it known that they will not tolerate anyone being mistreated because of the color of their skin. Do you hear yourself? Suggarfoot - this status quo has got to go! If intelligent citizens and their leaders stay quiet - the thugs and ignorant citizens (black and white) will take over - because they feel they can get away with it! So you stay quiet - and keep pretending that you are not part of the problem - all is right with the world - and as long as we ignore blatant racism, it will just go away. God bless.

When both sides of a story are heard - reasonable people can find a solution to an ugly situation. The sad point in this case is that children were hurt - would you want your child to experience an incident like this in 2009?

After the investigation

Emotionally scarred? I think we have become a nation that is all too ready to declare someone psychologically damaged. Feelings hurt? Probably--emotionally scarred? Only if this situation is played out that way. It will all be in the way it is handled by the parents and, yes, the day care people. Now, regardless of the incident, be it a student killed in an accident, or some other tragedy, or some wrong, justified or perceived, the psychologists are called in.
A few days ago I shared with all of you the incident where my daughter was attacked on the school bus. In this incident they were black girls who attacked her. She was damaged physically and carries the scars today. Emotionally damaged? No. We discussed how there were bad people in every race and ethnic group. I gave my daughter the option of dropping the whole thing or seeing it through the courts as she would be continuing in that school until graduation with many of these same students. The attackers' court appointed attorney tried to play the 'race card'. "These were poor black girls from the projects--one's mother was an invalid, the other's mother a dope addict"-both unfortunate situations but neither gave them the right to attack my daughter for no reason-other than the color of her skin. My daughter chose to fight because she felt what had happened was wrong. Today my daughter is a grandmother. Her daughter was taught, as my children were taught, to judge people on merit. My daughter's grandson is being brought up the same way. He, too, has talked about his favorite friend at day care. His only description of this friend is he likes transformers too and he has real curly hair. His friend is black. There are times it is necessary to give a skin color--it is stupid to not to do if they are trying to apprehend a criminal---6'2" stocky wearing a green sweater is not nearly as effective as white with blue eyes and blond hair or black with black hair and brown eyes.
Who is right and who is wrong in the pool incident? Probably some blame goes to both sides. Feelings were hurt but no one was injured or killed--let's put things into perspective.

I agree. When we see a whole bunch of adults crowd around a small child and pat them and wipe their face and tell them they have been discriminated against and moan and groan and cry and yell and scream for "justice," what is the child to think? They will fall into the trap of doing the same as they grow older rather than handle things legally, quietly, and smartly.

For instance, I feel very sorry for the kids Michael Jackson was keeping---the whole family and everyone else allowed within 10 feet put on a show as to what a great harm had been done them and that their daddy was not weird, those who said he was were weird!!
If they aren't removed from that mess, there will be three more with a bad heritage.

Both sides were wrong in the pool incident. Stupid to just dump the kids and not see that there were way too many kids and some couldn't even swim. The pool people also failed to plan correctly and so a few dumb racists started their mouth! They should have pounded the manager of the pool.

People should also wear water-proof hair covers in to a public pool when there are scores swimming there. No way to keep the pool healthy, especially with kids, with that many.

Your daughter is a Grandmother, you say? Are you tending the great-Grandchild some? WOW.

You do seem to yet harbour a grudge for the bus incident with your child by taking great pains to write about it.
I think you blame the parents however, not the perps.

'tend' the great-grandchild 'some'. I also have two other great-grandchildren from another grandchild. I visit with all of them as they do not reside in the area. Their married parents 'tend' to them. Their grandparents also spend time with them--because they want to--not out of necessity. My family all seem to be well-adjusted and are living very normal lives. Mom and dad raising the children, grand-parents and great-grandparents visiting and spoiling as is the norm. They are all loving and caring people. They have been taught well. I can read the inuendo in your statement--and it is in no way indicative of my family or any of our lives.

No, I do not harbor a grudge regarding the bus 'incident'; my life and my daughter's life are too full to dwell on one happening. I was pointing out to Dave's mother that I felt it wrong when people are quick to state that someone is emotionally scarred for life by one incident. There are some incidents that may scar you for life but not everything that happens to someone is emotionally shattering. She did not make this statement but it was indicated by someone from the day care center in the article she had on her site. I don't blame the parents, their children are the ones who wielded the ball point pens. Were they derelict in their duties as parents--evidently.

Because of intelligent persons like you and your wife, progress will continue to be made in this country regarding race. Your daughter proves that you and your wife practiced excellent parenting skills - and your daughter will pass your example to your grandchildren. I'm sure that these children from the center will more than 'survive' this incident. It's persons like you that reinforce my belief that this American thing with 'race' is definitely improving. As I have said before, I see evidence of good solid home training among the young people here in Fayette County - especially Fayetteville. What I have noticed here is a solid pride in school; a definite association between students who are active in school activities, student government, etc. and church. Race has very little to do with any of these associations according to the students - they just have 'things' they want to do with each other. There are so many challenges in today's society that young Americans have to deal with - race should not be at the top of the list for any of them (white or black),

Sorry if my blogs somehow made you think I was the father. One thing I forgot to mention is that the attornies for the girls were white. One especially tried to make it look like a rich white family was picking on these poor black girls. Nothing could be farther from the truth. My husband and I both worked full time and only after these court appointed attornies made it a necessity did we get our own attorney which we had to pay for out of our hard earned cash. I pushed for an investigation and only after many articles in the paper etc was a hearing held and this attorney was called on the carpet for his actions. Now I have read where he is associated with the Clayton County School Board. I only hope his ethics have improved. I was more upset with these white attornies trying to turn this situation into a racial incident when it was a couple of 'thuggy' girls doing the wrong thing. It is perpetuated on both sides with people who have their own agenda. It is a shame it is foisted on children.

I applaud your persistence and wisdom. If more people would use the 'law' and courts in seeking justice now that law appears to be colorblind, we'd be in better shape, IMO. Integrity, or the lack of, is also apparently not colorblind. You took this stand at a time less supportive than 2009. I am in awe of you and your family - and salute the MOTHER of this fine family!

but I think it was a case of bad planning and not racism. I think the guy running the pool showed poor judgement, not telling the members ahead of time. He and the head of the daycare are both at fault.

If, I was head of the daycare, before I took a group that big to a pool, and if I were the guy running the place, before I accepted a group that size, 65 more than I had on a normal day, I would have all the details nailed down. Neither one of them did.

As far as the kids saying 'where did all the black kids come from', that is being descriptive, nothing more.

When my child was small, they wanted me to meet their best friend. Everyday, when I picked the kid up, I looked for another with dark eyes and hair. I didn't see him. Finally my kid added the detail, he was black. It made a big difference. I asked him why he described the hair and eyes, but not the skin, and he said that was rascist. I told him it wasn't, it was being descriptive.

I thihk those kids were being descritive. When the daycare person realised she and the pool guy blew it, she yelled racism. Neither one of them handled it well at all.

If, I was head of the daycare, before I took a group that big to a pool, and if I were the guy running the place, before I accepted a group that size, 65 more than I had on a normal day, I would have all the details nailed down. Neither one of them did.

The emails between the two dispute "neither one of them did that".

As far as the kids saying 'where did all the black kids come from', that is being descriptive, nothing more.

You are delusional and dangerous. These statements were attributed to 'parents', members of the club - along with a statement that they were fearful for 'their' children and their belongings. Your child is far more intelligent than you are. I have hope in the younger generation. But others are correct - to some on this blog, they will never see that there is another way to treat Americans of a different color. I didn't know the color of my son's friends until they came over to swim! We did not teach our children to describe their friends by their race. In the 'black' race, there are individuals of all different colors - so describing one by the color of the skin does not necessarily describe the 'race' of that person - right? If my son described one as having 'white' skin - he could be describing a cousin! - -(or his brother before he got his summer tan) You know in your heart that these parents were not discussing descriptive attributes of the children in the pool - they were discussing their race! Just stop. You are the type who will never let this 'white supremacy' thing go. It is evident that the members of this club do not want to be viewed as racists - nor do they want their children to be associated with this craziness. At sometime, the two sides will sit down - and with a mediator, work out an amiable solution. If only adults were involved - a lesson learned! But with children - a lot of work to be done to remove an unnecessary racial incident in 2009 in these United States from the young minds of black and white Americans.

You can settle this problem between these two parties if it's that big of a deal to you.

case closed.

That is what I really hate. The right way to have cured this is for the 2 responsible, the daycare manager, and the pool manager, to have gotten their heads together ahead of time. They didn't.

"The emails between the two dispute "neither one of them did that". If you are saying that you are privy to emails saying everything was laid out between them ahead of time, and it was pure racism, let's see them.

You always jump to the Race deal on everything before you have any of the details. It is always call the NAACP, get Sharpton etc. The blacks making a difference the days, as you profess you want to, are the ones that take the facts first and try to work with it and see what went wrong. If it seems nothing else fits, then they might say racist. You, come out with both guns blazing racist over everything. I think you want pity. The other blacks I described, want respect.

"The emails between the two dispute "neither one of them did that". If you are saying that you are privy to emails saying everything was laid out between them ahead of time, and it was pure racism, let's see them.

These emails are part of the evidence found in the investigation of the dispute. However - you have a problem with 'evidence' and 'investigation' and insist that you know all of the answers.

You always jump to the Race deal on everything before you have any of the details.

I think anyone who reads the comments here will see that I asked to hold judgment of this situation until after an investigation.

Bless your heart - and good bye.

to the contrary that showed it was hammered out ahead of time. You had rather believe the racist....Use some comon sense. It was bad planning and nothing more.

Since you are so good at quoting other bloggers, here's one I read by someone who ...called..the pool club before he rushed to judgement.

■Blogger X on July 10th, 2009 12:11 am
The Creative Steps Day Car, A Philadelphia-area day care center, claimed that Valley Swim Club in Huntingdon Valley made racial comments then canceled the daycare’s swimming privileges.

Now in reading the story and I, myself calling Valley Swim Club (VSC) I came of the mindset that this is not a case of racism. This is not about a group of African American kids running around a rich white person swim club. When I first read the story my mind was screaming something was wrong.

Well let’s discuss first private swim clubs. These are usually high cost recreation areas. in other words members pay hefty dues to be a part of the club. The expectation of paying these club costs are for the peace and relaxation. Most of these swim clubs do have membership forms to fill out and need to be accepted before you can attend. Imagine if you would that you are a dues paying member. You spend hundreds of dollars per year to be a part of a private swim club, you go to the pool and suddenly you have dozens if not hundreds of kids running around and screaming. What happened? You did not join a public pool, you did not spend your hard earned money to be subjected to this. Being someone who has had their pool overrun by people who I thought did not belong, I can understand the frustration. I do not think the racial comments were said, but I will address that later.

Now let’s discuss the day care center. What is not clearly reported is how many councilors were on hand to handle 60 kids at the pool. Some unofficial reports claim it was as little as 4 councilors, others claim it was 12 councilors. What was also scarcely reported was how the kids from the camp entered the pool area. Several reports were the kids rushed the pool screaming and yelling then jumping into the pool. It was also not clear was how many other day care centers were there. This was not about racism this was about a pool club that gave no warning to its members when it allowed these day care centers come to swim.

Here is my personal thoughts on this:

First this is not racism. I will explain in detail my thoughts on this. This is poor planning on the part of the VSC to not notify it’s members. Had the members been notified that day care children would be attending and not to be surprised things might have been handled differently. The sudden influx of black children screaming for the pool might not have been such a shock or surprise. I am sure some comments would still be made, but not racial remarks. More along the line of “How can they let those kids carry on like that?”

Second this is also poor handling on behalf of the day care center. They did not keep the kids in control they let them run loose, as they charged the pool essentially scaring the crud out of everyone there. I am sure it would have looked like the pool was being invaded by a bunch of kids who did not belong there. Instead of keeping the kids under control they ran rampant until they were asked to leave.

Third kids are going to be kids. If they are not with their parents, or just bad parenting, children will act like excited children who have not been to the pool in a long time. In other words yelling, screaming, running. These things that are not expected at a private swim club.

Lastly I firmly believe that this was blown out of proportion by the day care center. I see this as a way to get back at the day care center for canceling their swim time. It is far to easy in this day and age to claim racism and get a huge amount of publicity. Instead of dealing with the fact that your kids did not act appropriately and were kicked out for bad behavior. Let’s label this place racist and get the media to condemn the swim club.

Bottom line this is not racism, as much as people want it to be. This makes me embarrassed to be a black man…. or am I.

As always I am Blogger X, an unknown. You can take my report at face value or you can try to deem me a racist. Either way you don’t know if I am white, black, man, or woman. Instead I am a human being making a non biased report on something I perceive as biased media reporting.

Till next time,

Blogger X

Well you are not a black woman or man.
Otherwise you would never say that the kids were acting crazy and yelling, etc.

So you could be white or Yellow or possible Brown.

If you were white you would be saying that there were hordes turned loose onto the pool with out disciple and without doubt.
So you must be yellow or brown.

You are not brown or yellow or you wouldn't even be reading this.

So you must be Persian or Mongolian!

I select Persian. As you hate the media!

replies to those posts. I usually stay our of racial discussions as well as political discussions because I have found that as a rule a person has their mind made up and you are just wasting your time trying to get your point across. What simply amazes me is that you seem to turn everything into a racial issue. Sometimes a story is just a story. It almost seems as if you scour the papers looking for something that you can brand racist. If I remember correctly at least some of the perps robbing and shooting students at Tech were described as being black. Should I assume that this is a racist plot (by blacks) to do away with white students at that school, or should I just assume this is a case of nogoodniks of any color who would rather rob than work? A number of years ago (in another city) my young daughter was attacked on a school bus by three black girls. She was stabbed right next to her eye and also in her neck and upper back with a ball point pen. The location of her injuries proved that she had her head down trying to protect herself. Many of the students on the bus gave statements that the attack was unprovoked, yet it was made out to be a racist issue by many in the black community. Guess her white face and neck got in the way of their ball point pens! This case went to court and it was evident that many giving testimony had been coached--their dialogue was exactly the same--except for one brave and honest young black male. This fellow was no saint, he had been in minor scrapes with the juvenile authorities, yet he stood up and said that all the rest of them were lying--that the assault was unprovoked. He said people in the housing project where they all lived were giving him a hard time and threatening him but he didn't care, he didn't think it was right when it happened and he didn't think it was right when they lied. The girls got a slap on their wrists, my daughter a permanent scar near her eye and I am sure what that young man endured in his neighborhood was much worse. I later thanked him and asked why he had done it and his simple reply was "because it was the right thing to do." Now, because of that incident I could have been down on all blacks, I am not and neither is my daughter who suffered the attack. I feel every situation needs to be assessed on its own merits---perhaps this is something you, David's Mom, need to take under consideration.

Thank you for sharing that. To me, it says you and your daughter are very kind and forgiving people who look for the best in everyone. I'm sorry that happened to your daughter. Little kids are mean, and when they can gang up on another one, it can be very scarry to the one who is the ojbect of the rage. You must have worked with your child a long time to get her to look beyond that. Again, that points to what an open minded and forgiving person you are, and have taught your child to be. Again, thanks for sharing.

running down her face. Especially when she had gone to school, the one place you used to feel your child could be safe. What hurt more than what was done was the fact that adults were teaching young people to lie. We had always had friends of many nationalities and colors and they stood beside us. Some of her black schoolmates hung back from being around her because others would call them names: "Oreo" and such but quite a few stepped forward and showed their support in many ways. It made me proud and restored what faith had been lost during that trial. People are people regardless of their color or religion or whatever. I try to judge each one on their own merits. Sometimes it bites you but I would rather be fooled than never trust anyone. . My daughter likes everybody and is always ready to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Only way to live your life.

I feel every situation needs to be assessed on its own merits---perhaps this is something you, David's Mom, need to take under consideration.

I will continue to try. You and your daughter are to be commended.

Do your own research. They accepted the check! They knew exactly how many kids were 'paid for'!! (Approximately $30.00 a kid!) Whose making excuses now - without knowing all of the facts? No matter what the investigation reveals - children were hurt. . .possibly due to lack of management skills/possibly due to racism. At least the protesters were concerned AMERICANS!

"locus" Very descriptive. The color that appeared acceptable was 'green' - the money. A public pool would have had: parent permission slips; an information form regarding the child's swimming ability; etc. I think the poster was correct when 'management skills' were mentioned as lacking. If only one chaperone was available for 65 kids - that is totally unacceptable; but let's see what the investigation reveals. Blacks and whites may both be to blame here - but children were hurt.

It would be instructive to know what "that stuff" is.
And is "up north" somewhere near Knoxville, TN, maybe?

I would assume that "MUCH worse" means MORE segragation? Or, could it be more complaints?

And, what "folks" are saying what? I guess the complainers on TV.
I don't think the TV stations "up north" care much about this sort of thing unless someone digs up a whole graveyard and resells the plots. Even Jessee is into that one snce he was shut out of Jackson's memorial. By the way is Jackson buried yet? Isn't there a law about three weeks or more?
Now you see that is "More stuff!"

amongst yourselves.

Jesse Jackson and his family were very visible during the Jackson memorial. Please post based on facts. Thanks.

I never heard anything about him doing anything there. Twanas defender, yes!
I guess some of us didn't watch every frame of the broadcasts to see Jessee walking around!!
I saw some of the film of Michael grabbing his crotch and humping however.
Why don't you build up a black supreme court justice, or Bill Cosby (he goofed only once), or some of the real soldier heroes we have who are black, and scores of decently successful others, instead of this fellow who obviously is not a fit "icon" for black or white youth?
Making and sharing a lot of money is not what it takes. Covering up for him by citing his dancing talent is easily seen through.

Clinton; Sanford; Bundy; McNair; Edwards; Cosby; etc. - weakness in the human male knows no color - right?

Michael Jackson will be remembered for his music; and his breaking of the color line on MTV. . .and opening 'pop' music to persons of color.

No one talks of Beethoven's or Chopin's private life - but their music lives on.

no one would pay to watch me moon walk and dance. Come to think of it, I can't dance.
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I'm betting if you got a fish hook caught in your ear, you'd invent some new steps!

I'm betting if you got a fish hook caught in your ear, you'd invent some new steps!

With that - I'll go out and enjoy the beautiful day!

Everybody has something to offer. LOL

You know, Cy is what I consider one of my good friends, in fact, if he wanted someone killed, all he would have to do is point him out and I'm there, BUT, biking shorts, let's not go there.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Since I probably will never see Cy in his biking shorts I can let my imagination run wild---there are so few things we can really dream about and Cy coming to my rescue on his bike wearing bright red or blue biking shorts and smiting my nemesis ---ah, that is one of those last dreams. About that having someone killed thingy, just how good a friend do you have to be and for how long---and what do you have to do to just get someone to dry up for awhile?

I sense danger! Robby, "danger, danger."
Where is my black boot?

this old fat toad has to shed a lot of weight in order to fit back into that sleek riding attire.
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Sorting out terrible things as "weakness in the human male" from making money with sexual inuendo, is plain foolish.

I see about the same amount, if not more, "weaknesses" in the human female.

It is not the fault of males for baby production willingly, or for the prideful and selfish things women do to attract and dominate some males.

Maybe they should spend more on Burkas and less on lipstick, roughe, perfume, hair, horrible fingernails and toe nails, skin tight clothing, suggestive movements, stripping, devious actions for money, and use of sexual favors for attention. And quit riding those Expeditions.

They pretend that that is what men want---but why do they continue when they get one? Oh, I forgot, many don't legally "get" one.

I do not fall into the trap of discussing "only" what you want to discuss. Admit Jackson was wrong and stupid and selfish and not someone to emulate or be given credit for anything worthwhile.

women do to attract them or too weak or lazy to use a condom that in many cases would protect against "baby production "? If you are so taken with women in burkas why don't you relocate--? I am sure your ideas would be viewed with delight in many of those areas where women are submissive--oh, wait, even they are starting to assert themselves.

Way back in the stone ages did some hussy entice you with her powder and paint, smelling good and intoxicating you into submission with her 'suggestive movements' and when she got you home made you into her willing slave, thinking with something other than you head? Does she ride around in an Expedition now as you are relegated to the riding mower (with the blade removed for your protection)? Is this what has made you so at odds with the rest of the world? Poor baby. Take two of your pills, take a nap and come back as one of your more coherent egos.

Yeah to most everything you said.
But not to being at "odds" with the rest of the world.

I am among that group who thinks, and helped build what we have here in this USA. It certainly wasn't done with weak sisters like you two.

women do to attract them or too weak or lazy to use a condom that in many cases would protect against "baby production "? If you are so taken with women in burkas why don't you relocate--? I am sure your ideas would be viewed with delight in many of those areas where women are submissive--oh, wait, even they are starting to assert themselves.

Way back in the stone ages did some hussy entice you with her powder and paint, smelling good and intoxicating you into submission with her 'suggestive movements' and when she got you home made you into her willing slave, thinking with something other than you head? Does she ride around in an Expedition now as you are relegated to the riding mower (with the blade removed for your protection)? Is this what has made you so at odds with the rest of the world? Poor baby. Take two of your pills, take a nap and come back as one of your more coherent egos.

My comment to you only addresses the incorrect information regarding Jesse Jackson and his presence at the memorial service. Relax. I'm not challenging your opinion of Michael Jackson - and I was never a Tawana defender. Stick to the facts - you're more credible that way.

See if you can close your "cite" script in your post below. Otherwise all posts below yours will remain in italics. Thanks

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I think I corrected it before you posted. Sorry.

Wish I could say I was shocked, but
I'm not. This is why people have "private clubs" in "leafy
places." To keep the "atmosphere" comfortable for
them and their children.

I can emphathize with the kids,
having had my whole senior class abandon a trip to a ranch because there
were no "facilities" for the 4 of us black kids in the class.
At least I was 17 and knew by then what was what in these matters;
I hate to see it happen to kids this young (who think maybe they're "too
black" to swim with other kids), in the Obama era. It begins
to taint them in their own eyes. James Carville famously said that
Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Alabama in the middle.
At least there are residents there who came out to protest the
injustice.

This young woman is now an attorney with a prominent law firm in Philadelphia.

"The first time we noticed overt racism was on this blog."

You never give it up, do you DM? I have lived in this area my entire life. I was exposed to racism when I hit the workforce. I heard the things said by one color group about the other. And, vice versa. That is the real irony of the phenomenon called racism. Some black people seem to think only whites tend to be racist. It goes both ways.

I live in a predominantly black subdivision. Doesn't bother me a bit or I would not have bought here. I wouldn't trade my location and my immediate neighbors for anywhere/anyone, at least in my current situation. I have had occasion to be involved with the Homeowners Association for many years. I could tell you a hundred stories about the ridiculous things I have heard and been privy to.

A couple really stand out. The original HOA president (who happened to be white, and was elected) finally resigned and moved from the neighborhood after years of abuse. He moved to another subdivision in Faytteville just to get away from the unfounded accusations. I heard myself or heard of him being called "a racist" dozens of times by black homeowners here. You know why? He had enforced a covenant or even county/city ordinance that involved a home in the neighborhood. That was the familiar refrain. "You are racist". When they were not allowed to break rules and were called on it, that was the response way too many times. The final straw was when some fool called him that in front of his wife and children. Amazingly enough, the HOA VP was black and he told me he never was called racist by a white homeowner. Not once.

I personally love the other one. We have a neighborhood pool and pool house. In a HOA meeting we had a rather spirited discussion about limiting the number of family members at any one time due to the size of the facility. (I believe there are posted limits anyway) We had a black family stand up and accuse the board of racism and inform us we would be sued. You know what our racist sin was? They said we built the pool intentionally small in order to discourage black families from using it. You know, they explained that black families are usually larger and all and we had the foresight to realize that and built accordingly. I was even told that they told a neighbor they consulted a lawyer later. I assume they were told how FOS they are and were laughed out of the office.

Here is my real point. You do as much or more than anyone here to bring up race and keep the pot stirred making statements like that. It is well documented. But, racism is not confined to this blog and no racial group can claim innocence. It is everywhere and I'm quite sure it always will be. As I have said here before, keeping the racial pot stirred is very lucrative financially for lots of people. It is apparently also a convenient reason to justify when you don't get what you want from someone who happens to be another color.

I have had occasion to be involved with the Homeowners Association for many years. I could tell you a hundred stories about the ridiculous things I have heard and been privy to.

Being involved with HOA ourselves - we too have seen evidence of this - from whites and minorities. However - it has been our experience that once the covenants were pointed out - the accusation of 'race' was withdrawn. You probably have been here longer than I have - my experience with my neighbors has been fine. Our neighborhood is similar to a United Nations - and the children seem to get along just fine (as I observe them at the bus stop - and the swim team.) The neighborhood that I lived in California was 'integrated' - and my 46-year-old son still stays in touch with his neighborhood friends via 'facebook'. You are honest in your comments when you acknowledge that there is still racism among individuals of both races. There are those who do not - and constantly want to blame the 'other' group - regardless of color. I'm sorry you do not want to discuss race - for I think you have a perspective that I am not too familiar with. I remember (I think it was you) when you expressed your anger at the NAACP at something they did to your father. At the time, your anger was so apparent - that I did not respond. I understand your anger - but at least they didn't hang him like 'they' did my cousin. (This was one of the 2000 cases that were never solved in this country.) Those who yearn for racism to 'end' - don't feel it can be done by ignoring it. Those who lived in this country since the '40's - have seen/witnessed great improvement - and contrary to what some seem to think - we don't consider ourselves 'victims' but 'survivors'. I hope the reality of this situation is 'poor management'. However, one report stated that a child heard an adult saying - where did all these 'black' children come from. It will be interesting to see what the investigation reveals.

I was definitely not the one whose father had a bad experience with the NAACP. I don't recall the conversation, so it may have been before my blogging time. To my knowledge, my father never had any dealings with the NAACP. I would be shocked if he had.

On a personal note, it is a shame that happened to your cousin. I can't imagine the anger inside parties on both sides. I'm glad either I wasn't around yet or I wasn't old enough to be aware it was happening.

I usually don't discuss race on here for two simple reasons. You never change anyone's mind about something so intensely personal. The other reason is I'm unsure how you get to the point of not focusing on skin color by constantly bringing it up. You feel it can't be ignored. Two different approaches to a problem, neither of which is working.

The 800 lb gorilla in the room, in my mind, will always be slavery. Where do you go from there? Some want to forget it. Some want to hold onto it forever. Some say don't blame me, I wasn't around then. Some say, give me reparations and we can move on. Why won't you accept blame even though you weren't born yet? How do you deserve reparations when you were not the one enslaved? Why won't you acknowledge the situation? Why won't you let it go? It is a problem that will never be solved in my time on this earth. May be oversimplified, but you get my point.

I do get your point. . .and I understand. I never thought I'd see an African American elected president of the United States in my lifetime. (I just can't give up on the younger generation dealing with their fellow citizens as Americans - rather than European-Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans. Most birth certificates just say Negro or Caucasian in place of American. People’s minds may not change - but at least they are exposed to a different perspective when engaging in a discussion of race in America. I would hope that assistance to those who are not achieving the American dream would be based on education and economics in the future rather than race. Thanks for your response.

You are pathatic! Do you ever do anything but ...GRIND... on race?

"We moved to this are [bubble] because we did not see any of this ignorance in the public parks, etc...nor in the private developements. The first time we noticed overt racism was on this blog"

You make me sick! 1st...we are not a bubble...you are implying that every place around here is racist.

2nd...'the 1st time we noticed racism ...was on this blog' Yes, us too...cause that is all you do! You eat, breath, and putrify the air with racism....yours! You are really sick...and you make me want to puke! you never stop with the pooorrre pitiful me BS...! It is really sick!