picture immediately it leave a bad taste in almost everyone's mouth. This gives the naysayers the right to say the parents are only interested in the money. Lawyers jumping on the bandwagon are to fault also. To my way of thinking it would have been so much more worthwhile for the group and the club to work something out and have the kids come back and everybody handle the situation in the proper manner. I think I would have to honestly say if I could afford it and belonged to a club where I paid dues and was there with my children and suddenly saw 60 children (regardless of color, ethnic background or whatever)converging on the pool in a group I would have been upset. We have no way of knowing how many member groups were there when the children came. I am sure the kids were all happy to be there and were probably being kids, talking loudly and jumping in the pool etc. Perhaps if the managment of the club had sent notices to members that organizations would be bring in groups of children between such and such hours members may have changed their hours of attendance or at least been prepared for the onslaught. Sorry situation for all. Sadly, I have learned that children handle situations much better when adults don't make a big fuss. If this lawsuit goes through the only thing these children will have learned is to sue. With a lawsuit there will be bad feelings between these two groups for years to come and that is what these children will remember.

Perhaps if the management of the club had sent notices to members that organizations would be bring in groups of children between such and such hours members may have changed their hours of attendance or at least been prepared for the onslaught.

You know, I'm going to follow this case as much as possible. Something is very wrong here. In the article, it stated that they were just a 'community club' not a 'country club'. They must have needed the funds - the 'private' clubs that were in California when extending an invitation to use the facilities, usually did so 'gratis' - as part of their community service effort. Accepting a $1950.00 check should have been something that the Valley Club Board would be aware of - they charged by the student - so someone in authority knew these kids were coming. Hopefully there is a community leader somewhere in this picture who can intervene before these lawyers go haywire - OR upon finding out that this club has no deep pockets - drops the case - and gets the kids together to find a solution to this problem. The adults have screwed up royally.

The bit about returning to the scene of an offense, rising to the occasion and winning the day through excellence puts me in mind of how sorely missed such sane strategies are in 2009.

I'm totally 100% anti "thuggy black dude". 100%. But I don't have a thing in the world against little kids wanting to swim. Chris Rock is anti thuggy black dude too, but he's able to articulate the difference between blacks and other types of blacks using a specific word that I can't use.

It ain't hard to tell the difference between little kids and thugs, though.

Hehe ... bet your Philly friends were juiced in with the House of MOVE. You got it like that, yo.

Valley Club = old school autistic tard (and I don't mean the new definition of autism where everybody has a lil ... think RAIN MAN, not blue puzzle pieces).

bet your Philly friends were juiced in with the House of MOVE

Children died in the MOVE tragedy. Fortunately there were areas in our country during the 50’s and 60 's where sane protest was recognized and communities worked together to affect change. Unfortunately - when change did not come through non-violence, those who did not believe in the non-violence strategy employed other methods. Also unfortunately, the system reacted to the violence more rapidly than to the non-violence.

It is important that we follow closely the implementation of the second amendment regarding states rights regarding gun control.

Are we to allow state rights to prevail over the Bill of Rights?

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Never! My people had to deal with that until 30 years ago. . .and we're still keeping an eye on a few states today. (Voting Rights Act) I would like to see all states license gun owners. . .not deny anyone their right to have a gun.

they can't have a gun. The end result is this "right" that is afforded by the Federal government is still trumped by a state law. It's kind the same situation you acknowledged as "My people". States had those &^%#%$@ despicable laws that made it very difficult if not impossible for all citizens to vote and enjoy other rights.
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Point taken. My concern is why one doesn't see that same argument with the 'right' to own and drive a car? If you can't pass the training - you don't get the car.. .hence you can't enjoy the right of owning or driving one due to 'state' law.

I think you might want to go back to basic civics and review a Right Vs a Privilege. Owning a gun and driving a car are not really related issues. One is guaranteed under the U.S. constitution (a RIGHT)and the other is a privilege regulated by the state.

In addition to due process issues you will discover that the two originate from different places.

When you buy a gun you evoke a right, if you want a carry permit you are evoking a privilege.

Well, it used to be considered a right to have a bunch of slaves!

Also, 18 year olds couldn't vote---no right--against the constitutuin.

Only privileged people had slaves.

Also, alcohol was not allowed by the constitution---now it is a right.
Voters had to "Own" property. (Slaves OK as property).
We had no "Bill Of Rights" once in the constitution.

Are you getting the idea that the constitution is occasionally changed when it is wrong?

We all use "empathy" in our daily discourse---yet if we are a banker, when the same person we showed empathy asks for a loan they
shouldn't have, we show them none----right?
You won't get that one.

If only the Supreme Court of the USA had not reversed the Supreme Court of Florida about recounting certain votes, we would't be where we are right now!
Isn't it the republican philosophy that states rights aren't to be tampered with by the federal government? Yet they did in this case.

Was that a 5/4 decision also?

Did you know that John Roberts said at his Senate hearings that he would judge based upon law only? Yet he didn't.

Did you also know that he is as of yet out of hundreds of his votes (decisions), NOT ruled FOR PEOPLE against the government, against corporations, against anything else!!!!!

He is showing empathy, I'm afraid.

t

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No not really.

It is really sad to see a Grand Old Party totally destroy itself with pure hypocricy.
Even stupid people finally get smart when the errors are so blatant.

I don't expect to see a republican majority most anywhere, except Fayette County and Mariposa, for maybe a hundred years and then it will have a different name.

I think the Palincrats!
Or maybe, "HuckaPales." Romnycans?
Oh, no more Texans and crooked defense contractors into the White House---at least. I have ENRONITIS!

I went out for a power walk so now I can blog my little heart out.
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Just browsed this 157-page document. Fabulous recall of the history of the second amendment - and the arguments used as to the correct interpretation of this amendment. Stevenson's dissent is thought provoking. I just want persons who own a gun to have training in using this lethal weapon. How can this be done? Most street thugs don't have this training - and that is why most of them miss their target - also why most kill innocents. Home tragedies involving guns many times are due to lack of knowledge and/or carelessness. With the advent of 'glocks' over the six-shooter, I just feel training is necessary. I'm a gun owner - and would not want that 'right' to be taken away. I'm aware that too many of my women and men friends who own guns - don't have a clue regarding the 'kick' or what a misspent bullet can do to the human body or their 'aim'. Any ideas?

I feel...

I thought Justices were suppose to recognize law not their feelings. Well, he does have liberal leanings.
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Sorry - old fashinoned enough to consider 'liar' being name calling. I accept misinformed . .not here to 'lie'.

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Let's look at your last statement.."It is important that we follow closely the implementation of the second amendment regarding states rights regarding gun control. I do not believe that a ‘hunter’ or resident of a densely populated area needs an AK47."

"Weapons

The SHRs where weapon type was provided showed that 71.1 percent of murder incidents involved a firearm. Among the homicides in which firearms were the weapon, 76.6 percent involved handguns; 5.1 percent, rifles; 5.1 percent, shotguns; and 13.2 percent, other type or unknown firearms. Offenders used knives or cutting instruments in 13.4 percent of the murders they committed, personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) in 7.1 percent, and blunt objects in 5.1 percent of the incidents. Other weapon types (poison, arson, narcotics, etc.) accounted for the remainder of weapon types used in the commission of murder." FBI Crime Stats.

Your statement "Hunters" do not need AK-47s may or may not be factual.. I personally know of hunters which do indeed use AR-15s and AK-47/SKS to hunt with. AK-47s/AR-15s account for only 5.1% of the crime stats.. So you just want to do away with them why?

"The law should enforce that an owner of a gun have a license and training to use that gun."

What Law is that DM?? Are you speaking of New York, where.. Georgia??

"It is frightening that at SOME gun shows - a person with questionable intent can purchase a number of battle ready guns. (I do realize that many of these transactions are done outside of established gun shows and are illegal.) "

We now must question one's INTENT.. Tell me DM just how is that accomplished? Should we question your INTENT when you go and buy a bottle of wine?? Do you INTEND to get drunk and KILL someone???
How is selling a gun "outside" of a gun show illegal?

"It is important that we follow closely the implementation of the second amendment regarding states rights regarding gun control."

The States are following the 2nd Amendment closely DM by not stopping the legal purchase
and legal ownership of firearms.. The Supreme Court has already ruled on the 2nd Amendment.. End of Story.

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

Most of us who moved to Fayette County within the past few years from areas near large urban centers want to be sure we're not confronted with an organized gang who uses AK47 against citizens and law enforcement. States license citizens who drive vehicles - states SHOULD license citizens who purchase guns. This does not hinder a persons 'right' to possess a gun - just as it does not hinder a persons right to own and drive a car. Do I feel this would solve the safety issues involved with gun ownership or legal purchase? No. Just as getting a drivers license does not prevent traffic accidents. I do believe that those who purchase guns today out of fear need training on how to handle the weapon purchased.

No mention or provision in either of these actions of 'intent'.

That 5% gun stats means nothing when you're confronted with a young man or woman who is carrying an AK47 or it is brought into your place of business or child's school! This I know to be true.

to answer any questions.. but that was expected.

Let me try to put this simply..How do you affect Gun Control now?
That is the question no Gun Control Advocate will answer.. Because it involves the confiscation of LEGALLY owned guns by the Military or Police..
You see.. We as a people will most likely refuse... Oh the Government will try to bribe us first.. get us to voluntarily turn them in.. when that does not work.. the only option open would be the confiscation of them.. Here's the rub.. CRIMINALS do not buy their guns legally so thus no record or way to obtain them other than seizure at time of arrest.
Oh we can enact more severe punishments for weapon usage but the "nanby pamby" panties in a wad civil rights crowd will say it disproportionally affects minorities then poof the laws start being tweaked and a separate system of justice begins again.

Unless the Government wants to invite a full scale revote they will not go that route. Leaving Guns in the hands of the citizens and yes criminals alike will be the likely result.. You see Pandora’s box has already been opened.. Just like "Nukes" once they have been made it cannot be un-made.

Why do I own Guns.. Three arrested for attempted robbery near Tech

Why I always carry: Armed customer stops robbery

DM/Maple it is simple... "Guns do not kill people... Criminals with Guns kill people".. Not the law abiding "LEGALLY" authorized citizen with a carry permit.
It is a pipe dream to think Guns are going away.. Unless the Government starts a program of seizure and it is organized in such a way it happens overnight then Guns are a part of our culture for better or worse. Just like Alcohol, Cigarettes, Gambling, Porn etc,.. It is up the the citizen of this Country to decide not the Government and that is as it should be.

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

I'm a gun owner. My only concern is mandatory training for those who purchase guns legally. A gentleman was confronted with an intruder - and was shot as he tried to shoot the intruder. Did he know how to disengage the safety? Had he practiced enough to use the weapon under duress? I do not want to see 'hunters' with AK47's or 'glocks' - what is the thrill of the hunt when using such weapons on deer? (Sincere question.) You and I don't communicate well - so don't feel obligated to answer my questions. Many times I will not respond to you - that is my choice.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/Lawrenceville_Teens_Charged_with_Murder_071609

Watch the video. She was keepin' it real.

Elvis-- that was priceless. Sometimes stereotypes are funny because they are true.

How many times, even in our community, do we hear (1) "You wouldn't talk that way to me if I wasn't black" (2) "you're just gittin down on the black man" (3) "...centuries of slavery". A mouthy Brandon's mom in Fayette cut the lunch hour fast food line because "I only have 30 minutes left on my lunch hour"---- as though the 45 minutes left on my lunch hour makes me a guilty white that oughta pay reparations for slaves.

What a mouth Brandon's Mom has !

Another time you'll hear that mouth. After your tenant has gone a year or so making the rent and then misses a month or two and you try to collect it, whoa, here comes that mouth about what an evil landlord you are.

Yer right--- she was "Keeping it Real !"

“I do not want to see 'hunters' with AK47's or 'glocks' - what is the thrill of the hunt when using such weapons on deer?”

As for the AK-47:
First off the AK-47 is classified as an assault weapon based on the fact that it’s a submachine gun that fires rifle ammunition.

Second, it’s just a little more accurate than a slingshot throwing rocks.

Third, it uses a 7.62 × 39 mm cartridge which has a muzzle velocity of somewhere around 1,467 ft/lbf or about half that of a real hunting rifle.

As for the Glock:
First off there are several models of ‘Glock’ pistols. As you didn’t or couldn’t even name the model you have I seriously doubt you even own one.

Second, as there are people that can and do hunt deer, bear and hogs with pistols I would suggest that you ask them which brand and model they use. As a good guide I would suggest either a Kimber or SIG.

You’ll find that an actual hunting or ‘match grade’ pistol is not the kind of weapon you and your kind would likely find in your friendly neighborhood pawn shop down the street. To my knowledge there are no ‘match grade’ .38 snub’s with electrical tape wrapped around the handle.

As for being able to make BIG holes in two legged deer I would suggest that you at least use a .40 or .45 caliber as a 9mm can’t always penetrate the foreheads of some people. I personally like a .45 w/230gr for my PM45. It will not only take out the thug and his friends it will most likely take out the stolen Escalade they’re trying to get away in.

P.S. Gun control is being able to kill what you aim at.

I've seen 9mils over penetrate allowing a perp to continue to fight.. I had one guy center mass with a .357 mag 127 grain jhp shot from 3 feet away.. did not even phase him.. still had to wrestle him to the ground.
Switched to Glock 21 .45cal the next day.. Never looked back.
9mils are fine if the perp/thug is not hyped up on drugs or you use the old body armour drill.. 2 to the chest 1 to head body armour or not the perp is still dead.. However in a firefight that takes a lot of practice to pull it off.. I will take my big slow 195grain black talon round anyday. Guranteed to mess up any thugs day..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

While I own a H&K .40cal and still have some Black Talon rounds from way back, I don't think a 9mm is near as "underpowered" or "over penetrating" as some gun enthusiasts claim. It's about the proper round for the use. I can about guarantee you that if you hit someone center mass with a 9mm and the round is something like a Black Talon or Ranger SXT/HydraShock/frags or similar, they ain't coming forward and there isn't THAT big of a risk of innocents getting hit by a pass-thru.

There's too many over-hyped BS examples in gunland of stories where someone(inevitably on PCP or meth)walks through several direct hits and keeps firing that are more myth than factual and have been skewed. The same myths exist on the other side about BT rounds being "kevlar piercing" or "cop killers" and event he old reliable crap of people being able to sneak a Glock(it's a plastic gun!!!!!!) through airport metal detectors.

anymore.. as far as handgums.. Spec ops still use the HK MP 5 9mm.. Seals Teams have been using the H&K Mark 23 SOCOM .45 for years because of the issues with 9mm.. Sometimes it over penetrates others fails to penetrate enough..Good enough for them.. Good enough for me..

9mm vs. 45!

Bottom line.. if you are comfortable and can place your shot effectively.. a .22 caliber is just a deadly as a .500 coswell. Ok maybe a .38 forget the .500 coswell thing.. Truly as close as a 1 shot drop as you can get..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

Is it Coswell or Casull?

Is it Coswell or Casull?

What I get for multi-tasking....

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

Oh yeah, forgot. When Seals are truly involved in "Wet" opns, they are usually good enough to use whatever they happen to favor because it'll be mostly head shots--and they're good enough to do that!

Brother in Law is a retired Seal...He won't talk much about it.. but I have seen him shoot.. I was a firearm instructor for 10 years.. Tac team member.. and he can shoot rings around me.. ticks me off when we shoot for beer.. I lose everytime..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

No, you won't find them or the Delta guys talking about what they do or have done. It's a combo of classification and professional pride. There have been lapses; one, where a former Delta guy wrote a book about the hunt for OBL at Tora Bora, but that's an anomaly. And I guarantee you he took serious heat from former members.

Yup, and they are excellent varmint hunters.
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Got to love it!

I'm in the market for a replacement for my little white truck. However, I would prefer the cash option and invest a little more money to get a M1A. That way my Mini 14 would have a bigger brother. Besides, aren't most of those AK's from the ChiComs?
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I used to sell them, stainless w/nylon for-stock, just outside of Andrews AFB.

35 round banana clips, State Dept. clearances for the non-nationals. Ah, the old days.

As far as I know you can still get the old M1A's via the NRA and 'U.S. of A' program. Take a week long course, bring your own honky, and get your M1A for free.

My favorite is the Springfield 30.06 Korean war issue sniper rifle I got back in the 80’s. Uncle Sugar had a program that gave away some 100,000’s of them. It’s what the “JAR” was based on. (The current JAR is 7.62, I think)

What a bunch of BS.
You must have 150 knotches on your "never look back!"

Use a bomb---does more damage.

Or a hand grenade.

knotches, what the Hell is a knotches, is that like knish? Also, seems to me if you're close enough to shoot someone with a handgun, you're way to close to use a grenade or bomb, but you try it and get back to us, if you can that is.

Wasn't your old name dollaradayandfound?

Knotches is the same as notches without a k, except it is Scandanavian!
You know like Kaboom! Which is a boom with a k!

What is "nish?" Unsmoked fish? (knish) Maybe a Serb!

A knish (pronounced /kˈnɪʃ/ — the "k" is pronounced) is a German, Eastern European, and Yiddish snack food made popular in North America by Jewish immigrants, eaten widely by Jewish and non-Jewish peoples alike. A knish consists of a filling covered with dough that is either baked, grilled, or fried. Knishes can be purchased from street vendors in urban areas with a large Jewish population, sometimes at a hot dog stand.
There you go Kbonk, now you show me, if you can, the Scandinavian, (which you also misspelled) definition of knotch.

Isn't this dessert you describe what the Mafia always ate in the movies after a big spaghetti and meata-balla dinner? Or is that a cannoli?

Some of the Mafia were and maybe still are Jewish according to Marlon Brando!

What was it Archie Bunker had to have in his lunch box for dessert?
Was it those big old fluffy looking jelly like half-round cakes, enclosed type things? "Hoe-hoes," maybe?

Now I'm confusing black mafia and ribs, jelly biscuits and iced tea!

I'm Kstill Kwaiting on that Kdefinition.

BTW, Archie had to have a Ktwinkie everyday in his lunch.

I'm Kstill Kwaiting for that Kdefinition.

Stilllllllllllll waiting.

halfdollarandlost and Bonker$
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and HIGHlarious at the same time.

I don't think the lost halfdollar is Bonkers. It doesn't really sound like Bonk to reply in this manner to himself. I know he does it alot, but this one seems a little different.

He starts out sounding different and then he can't carry it off any longer and reverts back to Bonkie. Just have to wonder just how many of him are here! Kinda spookie--and now I'm beginning to wonder about you--and Spy and AHG---oh my G_D! we're surrounded. Surrender before it is too late.

It was bound to happen sooner or later...

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

when you comment to your own posts. It feels like a cacophony of confused statements originating from your neurosis

Bonkie having one of these conversations with himself? It would make a great video I am sure. He feels that as long as he keeps protesting that he does not know what we are talking about when he answers himself that he can convince us. Me thinks the only one(s) he's convincving is himself(selves). I especially love it when he writes a blog and one of his other selves praises him on what he has written. I can't decide if it is what he is taking that makes him the Bonkers we all know and love or if it is what he is not taking, i.e., the drugs to keep him on an even keel. Whichever, makes for an interesting time. I wonder if "they" are planning to attend the coffee this Saturday?

I can't be responsible for wedge's upset disconcert! He has always had that!
I don't remember answering one of my own comments or blogs. Sometimes I flourish or add to or expand a non-disconcerting comment!

There is no praise needed!

Who are these other selves? Are you manic?

then you need to change writing styles. Different personalities call for differing levels of education and lucidness. Come on Sybil! Do one of your personalities do any coffee gatherings? I guess there is one tomorrow.

ya can prove it... I got the photos..
and nope Pride has absolutely nothing to do with it.. What an asinine statement. When a .38 gets shoved in your face.. What would you do??? Let me guess wet your pants, crawl into a fetal position.. and HOPE for CHANGE??
All I had were a couple flash Bangs... They wouldn't issue grenades.

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

when others don't show/have it.. It sort of ticks me off..

Instead of the Government FORCING us into mandatory Gun Training how about a voluntary system.. Incentify it with tax breaks.. Now that is a program I could get behind..

but then reading your post you lump a Glock pistol in with a AK-47 Assualt weapon so maybe a little training might be good for you..

You see a little COMMON SENSE can go a long way..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

lump a Glock pistol in with a AK-47 Assault weapon

You betcha common sense kinds of guy - when I see what the bullets from those guns do to a human body when the user of the weapon has no or little control! How often have you had to identify a body that has been riddled by a glock or an AK47? (Both guns TEAR UP the body!) Especially when that victim was an innocent child in a city street or a school ground? (I'm not advocating 'training' for these guns, but training for the handguns that most citizens would purchase - however I did get training on my 'glock' - and would hate to see a glock in the hands of an inexperienced shooter) These weapons in the hands of gang members and criminals are killing a generation. Would you also like voluntary driver training to continue? There are some parents who have suffered loss - and have instituted programs for teens so that our streets would be safer/trained drivers. Some states do have mandatory driver training. Too much government for you?

Training is absolutely necessary.. After reading your post and acknowledging that you say you are a "Gun Owner" I will absolutely support Gun training for you.. Your random often illogical posting has on occasion made me chuckle, but if and that is a huge if, as you say you are a "Gun Owner" then some REAL training would be called for..
First you would need to learn.. that it is NOT the "GUN" that tears up the human body but the Ammunition used. The bullet be it FMJ, TMJ or JHP in particular.. Also Caliber of the Ammunition, FPS and grain (weight) of the Ammunition is all factored in the equation.. IF as you say you were trained I would go back and get my money back.

As to your question:"How often have you had to identify a body that has been riddled by a glock or an AK47?"
Many times since that was my line of work.. as well as been on the other side of it.. So I think I am somewhat familiar with the subject.

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

Hee -hee - you're just an expert at everything!! Are you and King Elvis related? The GOB's must have their bragging rights! I just wonder why they feel uncomfortable in 'black' areas that I would never enter? When our citizens feel that they must have their guns for protection (me included) it's a sad reality on our so-called 'modern' society. What has changed from the 'rootin/tootin' cowboy days? I know enough about guns to hit the target - and that's all that is necessary. Right?

and an expert on everything??? No way... Firearms,Tactics and Environmental.. thats about it.. Opinions.. I have lots of those..

"I know enough about guns to hit the target - and that's all that is necessary. Right?"

Uh.. Noooo You want training for every gun owner.. but.. not really for everyone right? There is a lot more than just pointing a gun and going bang.. I won't bore you with all the details but suffice it to say there is a lot more involved.

And yes.. you and I do agree however on the statement that we need to arm ourselves to feel safe.. Why is that? Too many groups having excuses made for their behavior maybe? Fighting and killing dogs is just a cultural thing right? Start there and maybe we might start to feel safe again..

"When the person who in possession of a government, shall say to a nation, I hold this power in 'contempt' of you, it signifies not on what authority he pretends to say it is..but an aggravation to a person in slavery"..Thomas Paine

Members of my family have been carrying guns since Rosewood.

Remember Rosewood

Many, white and black, are fearful of some of the 'code words' which you have used - to justify re-arming themselves against criminals of a certain color. It looks like we now have a diversified group of criminals - but the use of hateful reference to criminals of a certain color is frightening. Many blacks fear any large group of 'whites' carrying guns. . .even today.

* Believe the K on products signifying kosher actually means the producers are part of the KKK.

* Believe the three triangles on boxes of Marlboro cigarettes signify KKK.

* Believe the artwork of an old ship on Snapple bottles is a slave ship. Snapple bears the double-suspicion of also being kosher.

* Believe Church's Chicken sterilizes black men.

* Believe OJ is innocent.

BTW ... "large group of whites carrying guns" = D-Day. Worked out okay, que no?

. . blacks were at D-Day. Americans worked together on that victory. Learn your history!

Blacks lauded on anniversary of D-Day

I didn't say that blacks were not at D-Day or that only whites participated. That being said, it certainly meets any definition of a large group of whites with guns.

Tard.

No assumption here - you said it!

BTW ... "large group of whites carrying guns" = D-Day. Worked out okay, que no?

From your past comments - I think your inference was more than an assumption on my part. But why am I wasting my time. Have a nice Sunday oh King of Tards! (I must be tired when I get down to your level and resort to name calling - I'm out of here!

You go first, wise Tardina.

I do agree with many readers that Ms David's Mom does have double standards and is a racist so let me make it clear I am not defending her. But is it just me or is Mr. Evils use of term "tard" extremely lame. Please Mr. Evil. Get some fresh material or desist.

Mr. Evil does make Ms Mom look like the bright one regarding this issue.

I know you want to elevate the discussion to something between Heiddegger's Being in Time and the Hegelian Dialectic, being obviously super smart, but I submit these tards are all things to all people and should be considered thesis, antithesis and synthesis all in one.

Rather than desist, I encourage you to exercise self-control and not read things you suspect in advance might offend your delicate sensibilities. It's called being an adult.

And Ben Franklin liked banging old broads. It's a fact. He was no tard.

I'm sure a lot of parents of retarded or mentally disabled children would take offense at the "adults" here calling each other "tards". I'm reminded of a certain someone who I haven't seen on here in a while using that term quite often. That disturbs me quite a bit considering this person wants to be elected to the SCHOOL board if I'm not mistaken? Nauseating....

Do flame-retarding fire extinguishers piss you off, too?

I ain't referring to those with Down's Syndrome when using the term tard, tard. It's used to accurately and succinctly label unnerving stupidity.

I know, I know. You're just looking out for the chirren.

Hysteric.

So you derive from my post unnerving stupidity? And call me a "tard" too? How old are you? I will refer you to Wedge's post- hopefully you can comprehend it.

Do follow along. I neither called you a tard nor claimed to derive a sense of unnerving stupidity from your post. But how civilized and sanctimonious you are with inane questions about my age or ability to comprehend. Guess what, lady. Not everybody that happens to disagree with you is a child or stupid. Just when was the last time a child referenced Heidegger and Hegel's Dialectic in the same post?

You're really earned this, ma'am ...

T A R D

Quote: I ain't referring to those with Down's Syndrome when using the term tard, tard." Hello? Have you been drinking? And when did I say that people who disagree with me are childish or stupid? You seem to be getting a little worked up. Maybe you should take a nap.

Perhaps I should borrow from your sophisticated and civilized and utterly passive/aggressive manner of insulting by way of question, rather than making a direct statement.

That being said ... just what kind of tard are you?

and angry, about what I'm not sure. You remind me of Basmati. Attacking people for no reason other than you're unhappy with yourself, not getting any, who knows. Are you one of his followers/ wannabes? THAT being said, you're not worth my time so I won't be responding to your nonsense anymore.

How arrogant and self-centered to assume somebody drunk, stupid, immature, unhappy and horny based solely on their failure to be impressed with your particular brand of crap.

Sober, intelligent, mature and well-sexed humans can and do think you're a hysteric tard. You'll live.
Please review just how many negative labels you threw in my direction: Speculating that I'm a drunk, asking my age, suggesting I'm in need of physical affection. You cast far more insults than I and they were far more insulting. Yeah, you're really against name-calling.

Off you go. There are episodes of Real Housewives to watch.

Typical hypocritical tard.

True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance.

“Courageous, untroubled, mocking and violent-that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior.” -- Friedrich Nietzche

are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. A school yard bully, "retarded" in the way of polite discourse, disagreement, and debate. I did find it odd that the barrels were up with no construction around exit 61, but I wouldn't have disparaged an entire group of blameless people just to make my point.

You should consider adding it as a thecitizen.com-type classic pompous signature line:

"I did find it odd that the barrels were up with no construction around exit 61, but I wouldn't have disparaged an entire group of blameless people just to make my point."

Bully for you, Jack.

there Jill. I am tired of posting on this too long of a blog. Enjoy your day.

The great and disparaged group of ... tards ... thanks you for defending them.

... I myself would never dream of calling a person with Down's Syndrome "retarded" or a "tard" or a member of a group of tards. I'm far too sensitive.

I'd usually put something right about here but, well ... you already know.

was mentally challenged and was killed by a drunk driving teenager. Although you may never call a person with Downs retarded to their face, you have no problem doing so on a blog, or referring to others that way. This is no different than the racists that spew on these blogs in anonymity, but are very quiet and polite in public.

Thanks for offering an opinion on my motives, but my own satisfy me just fine.

I'll say turd and not tard. That will make everything okay for you, mk?

And just how do you know that people who anonymously post racist comments on blogs are quiet and polite in public?

Turd.

The word is a common meaning and common derivation. Flame retarding is to inhibit the growth and spread of a fire. The term "retarded" means that a person's mental or physical development was inhibited from growth. When you are referring to someone as a "tard", you are merely likening the conduct of people to these "developmentally challenged" ones. That is what it means-you saying differently does not make it so. A easier comparison is to use the N word. Try it on this forum and regardless of what you say it means, it still means its historical use. People of a cleverer ilk use the word "thug" when they want to say the n word. I see it on blogs all the time, but it means the same and is used in the same context. You really are not fooling anyone. Feel free to call me what you want, but it is no different than two kids taunting one another at a school yard. and just as meaningful

Thanks for telling me what I meant.

What say you stick to speaking for yourself, instead of me. We are all responsible for our own risks in life.

You think it's a taunt. Got it. Don't care.

Genteelness aside. I think that you are using that term in hateful way, because you compare people with someone that has been born or accidentally made into a "retarded" person. It is a foolish dismissive that forwards no point. Have a beautiful Sunday afternoon.

I'm sure a lot of parents of retarded or mentally disabled children would take offense at the "adults" here calling each other "tards". I'm reminded of a certain someone who I haven't seen on here in a while using that term quite often. That disturbs me quite a bit considering this person wants to be elected to the SCHOOL board if I'm not mistaken?

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SL, check your regular email inbox or "suspect mail" if you have s spam blocker.