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So far, what have conservatives who are too embarrassed to call themselves republicans and republicans by name offered against the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor?

She is empathetic.

She says law is made in lower Federal Courts.

She is a racist because she feels her background has to be considered by her as she forms judgment.

She may be "emotional" (code word for woman, who we all know are too emotional, right?)

Well, let's dive in.

Law is often made, and legal precedent set, in the lower federal courts/

So is the opinion of Justice Antonin Scalia. In this Cornell University posting of Justice Scalia's written opinion, he specifically states,

This complete separation of the judiciary from the enterprise of "representative government" might have some truth in those countries where judges neither make law themselves nor set aside the laws enacted by the legislature. It is not a true picture of the American system. Not only do state-court judges possess the power to "make" common law, but they have the immense power to shape the States' constitutions as well. See, e.g., Baker v. State, 170 Vt. 194, 744 A. 2d 864 (1999). Which is precisely why the election of state judges became popular."

Justice Scalia stated that this power exists in the state courts because many cases never are reviewed by the highest court, and therefore will not be shaped by The Supreme Court's opinion.

So, my fellow republicans by name and deed, where was the outrage towards Scalia when he specifically said, "state-court judges possess the power to "make" common law?"

Where was the outrage when Scalia said state court judges "have the immense power to shape the States' constitutions as well?" I missed the names you called him Gitreal. Missed your outrage "fred" the fake.

Oh, but she is also a "racist" who will consider her own heritage in her decisions as related to prejudice, immigration, discrimination, etc. You would think she is the first Supreme Court nominee to have said this.

And you would be dead wrong!

Well, golly gee! Sam Alito let his background shape how he viewed cases. He is empathetic. And Oklahoman Republican Tom Coburn really liked "seeing his heart." And you guys said JACK!

And you never dared to post Sotomayor's complete statement. Because it mirrors Sam Alito's. Well I'll be a democrat's cousin! I do believe we are starting to see through the attacks.

Conservatives have joined the no ideas, attack, attack, attack movement. Some of you talk like "Weathermen," thinking seccession and /or armed revolution. Some just grossly mischaracterize the country you claim to love as socialist, Marxsist, and communistic; the country run by people who the majority of Americans voted for. Lead by the President with 60+ % approval ratings.

You begin to see the conservative movement as being desparate, allowing its message to be shaped around veiled racism and sexism. It's as if the loss of power is not due to any of their own shortfalls. It's a plot; a conspiracy. A celebrity president that out shined their own celebrity Palin. The desparation will win no elections. The "she's a wench" calls toward Sotomayor will gain no Latino, women, or even-tempered votes for your party.

And it basically serves to rob the Sotomayor debate, as well as many others, of intellectual honesty or integrity.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 6:49am.

Diva fails to address (or refute) the central truths about Sotomayor's appointment: (1) her race and background were appealing political dividends to the President appointing her [which is what many Presidents do] and (2) she is unabshedly in favor of "making law" rather than simply interpreting law against our timeless standard, the U.S. Constitution.

Oddly, your blog NEVER did mention the Constitution. Perhaps the Constitution is afterthought for you. Not for me. Cut and paste commentary does not constitute intelligent discourse.

You did misrepresent Justice Scalia's philosophy and, indeed the result in GOP v. White. In White, the Supreme Court STRUCK DOWN a state law, holding that it violated the U.S. Constitution.

I would suggest, Diva, that you read Scalia's book "A Matter of Interpretation". The title alone will clue you in to the obvious differences between a Justice Scalia and a Justice Sotomayor.

A question--- why were all of you teary-eyed liberals in hiding when you had the opportunity to tout the meager background and great life achievements of Justice Clarence Thomas? Couldn't use the race card? You threw the gender card. To the liberal left it is not about equal opportunity but about special interest. It is about governmental entitlements and funding. The most striking example in recent years was the complete tomb-like silence of all feminist groups as Bill Clinton raped his way across America and in to the Oval Office forgiven and forgotten because he funded these same special interests. He wrote the checks; he got a pass.

After Scalia's book, read Oliver Wendell Holmes "The Common Law". Have your opinions but do a little more study.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 8:16pm.

The only reason Thomas was appointed was because of his race and his passing of the Republican litmus tests on sex related legislation, the only real issues perused by the Party since they abandoned fiscal conservatism. If Thoma had been white he'd still be working at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He's completely superfluous anyway. Just give Scalia two votes and let his lapdog go fishing. try to name a case where Thomas contributed anything except his predictable vote.


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Submitted by diva on Sun, 05/31/2009 - 6:38pm.

We shouldn't have to deal with such hard to pronounce names. Sotomayor.... cogitoever go faye. So, I'm calling you cog. Anyway...

"You did misrepresent Justice Scalia's philosophy"

No, I provided his unaltered written statement. Unaltered and completely in context. Quite a bit different from the out of context phrases and sentences your teammates have posted about the "intellectual lightweight" valedictorian and number two in her Princeton class Sotomayor.

Don't think I'll read anything you suggest. Your posts are bad enough COG.

How does it feel having your political clock cleaned by whiny crybaby panzy liberals? That must really suck big time. I mean, when whiny cry babies kick your butt with impunity, you have to wonder what your political philosophy is truly worth, on a national level.

I have an idea Laughing out loud


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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 7:33am.

Sotomayor shouldn't be allowed to judge a dog show, much less be on the Supreme Court. Anyone "judge" who thinks that one gender or race is superior to the other in intellect and/or in their ability to come to the right conclusion in deciding a matter before the court(regardless of their background) should automatically be eliminated from consideration.

That is not how Obama works though. He see's Sotomayers racist comment as a good thing.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan


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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 5:08pm.

I'll just have to copy my resonse here also....

"You begin to see the conservative movement as being desparate, allowing its message to be shaped around veiled racism and sexism......it basically serves to rob the Sotomayor debate, as well as many others, of intellectual honesty or integrity."

Diva, I think I know what you mean. Kind of like the Democrats handling of the Bork nomination??? Lets revisit that paragon of fair politics shall we???

"Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell was a moderate, and even before his expected retirement on June 27, 1987, Senate Democrats had asked liberal leaders to form "a solid phalanx" to oppose whomever President Ronald Reagan nominated to replace him, assuming it would tilt the court rightward; Democrats warned Reagan there would be a fight.[9] Reagan nominated Bork for the seat on July 1, 1987.

Within 45 minutes of Bork's nomination to the Court, Edward Kennedy took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of Bork in a nationally televised speech, declaring:

"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is -- and is often the only -- protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice."[10]

A brief was prepared for Joe Biden, head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called the Biden Report. Bork later said in his best-selling[11] book The Tempting of America that the report "so thoroughly misrepresented a plain record that it easily qualifies as world class in the category of scurrility."[12] TV ads narrated by Gregory Peck attacked Bork as an extremist. Kennedy's speech successfully fueled widespread public skepticism of Bork's nomination."

How it feels to get Borked

This is the way the game is played diva. Your side always does it. You whined on here the other day about when Repubs "oppose, oppose, oppose". That is ALL you guys did for the last 6-8 years. And you think it will be different now? Leave your deserved affinity for minorities out of this. This is politics. It sure as hell ain't ever fair, but it goes both ways.....


Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 4:51pm.

I enjoy your arguments. Believe me, there are Republicans in other areas of our great nation who are working on overcoming this brand of 'conservatism'. Watch.

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 10:36pm.

It's certainly no surprise to most of us regulars here that you would enjoy diva's arguments.

My question for you is, do you also enjoy the inconvenient truths about the Dems handling of the Bork nomination? You know, when you contrast it with all the things diva is saying about the way Repubs are reacting to Sotomayor. If you find our path now so unconscionable, what are your thoughts on Teddy's speech on the floor of the Senate? Let me ask you what diva asks us all the time....if you were outraged by that did you speak out? If not, why not? Were you not outraged or did you not speak out???? I'm just trying to figure out which brand of "liberalism" we need to overcome as well...


Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 10:26am.

I don't enjoy any 'inconvenient truths' when they turn out to be 'untruths'. Carbon is right - Bork had enough of his own baggage without dumping more on his reputation. MOC - most of the voting public don't even remember 'Bork'. Libralism/Conservatism - how about 'truth'? And 'truth' as it applies to our current situation?

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 4:11pm.

The point was not whether Bork had baggage. I think it is safe to say that ANY nominee put forward would have a lifetime of "baggage" to sweat over. It was the unchecked bodacious lies that the Senior douchebag from Mass spewed about Bork that were just allowed and by extension approved. We have not approached those levels by a long shot and we shouldn't.

The voting public had better educate themselves if they don't remember Bork. The past is to be learned from. Someone much smarter than me once opined, politics is the second oldest profession and much less honorable than the oldest. Or, something along those lines anyway....


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 11:10pm.

I feel free to jump in. The Bork nomination was derailed not just by Kennedy's speech, which drew no rebuttal for a long time, but Bork's own baggage, one notable piece was his participation in Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre". But enough about that. I personally liked Alito when he was nominated, a nice Italian-American boy, who spoke, as diva referenced, about how his family's experiences with being immigrants influenced his judicial decisions. I read the transcripts from the hearings, and the Republicans were almost tearing up over his answers, so happy to be so happy. Now it is a different story and the emotions over the same type of statements are so sad to be so sad. It is making such an impact on me that I have devoted a whole paragraph in my book (a work in progress) to the apparent ability of political parties to reverse polarity when their food supply has been interrupted.

It's not easy being the carbonunit


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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 8:33am.

"It is making such an impact on me that I have devoted a whole paragraph in my book (a work in progress) to the apparent ability of political parties to reverse polarity when their food supply has been interrupted."

I guess you haven't paid attention to politics for very long if this has made such a profound impact. That was half of my point to diva. This is politics and how the process works. The sitting party gets to choose and the other party attacks. Been going on a long time carbon.

The other half was the actual content of the attacks. diva is whining about "smears". Go back and read exactly what that old drunk said on the floor of the Senate. What has been said about Sotomayor that would even approach that rhetoric? But, you are right about one thing. His speech didn't draw rebuttal for a long time. From your side as well. Where was the rebuttal carbon? Now all the outrage from diva and the rhetoric is not only not in the same ballpark. It ain't even in the parking lot...


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 9:47am.

I guess you haven't paid attention to politics for very long if this has made such a profound impact.
Actually, my recent reaction, I have realized, is the result of the cumulative effect of absorbing political nonsense over a long period of time (as you stated) to the point where it caused an impact. I was as surprised about it as you are.

Regarding the regurgitating of the Bork hearings, is this supposed to mean that a wrong by one side negates a wrong by the other? Two wrongs do not make a right, two wrongs do not negate each other, and you can not be so right that you can do something wrong and still be right.

It's not easy being the carbonunit


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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 3:56pm.

It is easy to get jaded watching the whole process.

I actually agree about the two wrongs. My point was simply that this IS the process. I have carefully read the legitimate Congressional remarks and have not seen anything atypical yet. I just can't understand why diva gets his thong all knotted up over bloggers and media types. When you look at the ridiculous statements made by the Mass murderer on the floor of the Senate on their face, tell me that is not a whole different game. I can tell you this and you can believe it if you want. If a Repub made scandalous accusations and assertions like that over Sotomayor, I would be the first one saying "whoa Nellie, where is the proof for any of that?". When the rhetoric reaches those decibels, shoot me a line. Until then, the Dems still own it.....


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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 11:59pm.

They are just disappointed. When they heard Obama was going to appoint a member of a minority they assumed he meant a Republican.


Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 11:40am.

Smiling

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 10:46am.

"When they heard Obama was going to appoint a member of a minority they assumed he meant a Republican."

ROFLMAO! Good one Jeff.... I'll be borrowing that line. Laughing out loud


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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 3:28pm.

LIDDY: Let’s hope that the key conferences aren’t when she’s menstruating or something, or just before she’s going to menstruate. That would really be bad. Lord knows what we would get then.

Way to go, Rethugs.... you're now succeeding in alienating women as well as Hispanics.

What a demented sexist pig. I'm glad this loon is on their side.


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 4:28pm.

Who is "LIDDY"?? That's right a late night "RADIO" talk show host.. please work on getting someone with a little more juice and more current..
You guys said much worse during the Bush years.. Did he call her a Traitor, a murderer?? I don't think so.. Sotomayor is now saying she misspoke back in 2001.. so is she lying now or did she lie then?
Did she misspeak on the courts making policy??

If you can't win at the ballot box you go to the courts.. California and Prop 8 is a prime example.. That is why you guys need Judges like Sotomayor to ursurp the will of the people..

Dems having it both ways..LINK

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS.. Evil

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 5:26pm.

It's your party that is on the ropes and out wandering in the political wilderness as your *all-inclusive* (note sarcasm Laughing out loud) "tent" continues to shrink, yet y'all have these dopes screeching their vitriol on the public airwaves while the Repub party leaders give their tacit approval by staying quiet and paying homage to Rush, Liddy, Hannity and the gang.

This IS news because of what YOUR party has become... a shrinking, members-only country club full of mostly scared white males, afraid that they are losing their power. (btw - there's a pill for that)


Submitted by Blah Blah on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 10:49pm.

There time has come to pay up for the injustices they have heaped on the minorities over the years. there are many. Slavery, murdering and putting native americans in concentration camp eviroments, not letting women and minorities to vote, torture, war mongering, hate, lynchings of the past, using captalism to hold down people not like them. I am thankful for fighters like Main 'stream and Davids mom.

A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 8:59am.

Who was it that integrated schools in Brown v. Board? 9 white males.
Who issued the Emancipation Proclamation to free slaves? White males.
Who built the greatest, most advanced civilization of all time? White males. If you don't like America then go back to Africa and chuck spears at zebras and eat dirt. While you're there travel to the Congo and check up on your brothers who are waiting on their food supply shipments (from white males). Then go to the river banks outside of Bumba and observe first hand what slavery really is, because it still exists there (but the slavemasters are black, so you don't hear about it). You see, instead of trying to improve the pitiful lot of American blacks today all you do is complain and shift blame to white males. 70% illegitimacy rate? White males fault. 50% of crimes nationwide committed by black males who comprise 6% of total population? White males fault. Your sorrowful, "poor me" song and dance routine is getting old. The music's stopped playing and the jig is up. The era of white guilt is over.

Scared white males? We built Western civilization while Africans were living in huts. We carved the USA out of untamed wilderness. We put a man on the moon. Scared white males? I don't think so. I'm sick to damn death of being the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the world today. A lot of us are. And we are anything but scared of piss ant racists like you.

Submitted by Blah Blah on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 9:07am.

You sound like get real playing the victim. Had he treated the minorities that workde for him better they would probably been better to him.

And why do i need to go to Africa to chuck speers at striped animals when I can chunk speers at striped racists like you. Sorry you guilt is really eating you up inside and makeing you so hatemongering

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 9:09am.

Nice logical response: threaten me with violence.

Now excuse me while I call my lawyer.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 10:11am.

an IRS audit next...
woooooo.. shaken and baking BABY..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS.. Evil

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 05/30/2009 - 7:49am.

You are so full of it. BTW, let me help you out. It's "environments" and "capitalism".

JeffC,

Are sure this one is not one of yours?
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Submitted by Blah Blah on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 10:49pm.

There time has come to pay up for the injustices they have heaped on the minorities over the years. there are many. Slavery, murdering and putting native americans in concentration camp eviroments, not letting women and minorities to vote, torture, war mongering, hate, lynchings of the past, using captalism to hold down people not like them. I am thankful for fighters like Main 'stream and Davids mom.

A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.

Submitted by Blah Blah on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 10:49pm.

There time has come to pay up for the injustices they have heaped on the minorities over the years. there are many. Slavery, murdering and putting native americans in concentration camp eviroments, not letting women and minorities to vote, torture, war mongering, hate, lynchings of the past, using captalism to hold down people not like them. I am thankful for fighters like Main 'stream and Davids mom.

A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.

Submitted by Blah Blah on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 10:49pm.

There time has come to pay up for the injustices they have heaped on the minorities over the years. there are many. Slavery, murdering and putting native americans in concentration camp eviroments, not letting women and minorities to vote, torture, war mongering, hate, lynchings of the past, using captalism to hold down people not like them. I am thankful for fighters like Main 'stream and Davids mom.

A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 8:47pm.

you failed to respond to the body of my post.. Not surprised your typical MO..
This is your Progressive Liberal Party line now.. What happened to Thomas, Garcia, Palin.. all Minorities all blown away by you guys.. You talk a great game but when it comes to substance at heart you are all RACIST.. You love minorities as long as they know their place.. In a voting booth voting for you guys.. But..GOD help them if they dare step out of line.. you guys go on the attack and attempt to destroy them politically and personally.. Yep you progressive libs is an all inclusive party. so long as everyone keeps to their places..
"For one hundred and fifty years Democrats in the south kept blacks down through a variety of legislative and illegal means, including intimidation, segregation, infringement of voting rights and police intimidation. Today the tactics are more subtle and masked by propaganda about "conservatives", yet aimed at the same goal: to keep minorities out of power unless they are willing to "play the game" that Democrats have rigged against them." No truer statement ever made..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS.. Evil

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Fri, 05/29/2009 - 4:28pm.

Hit post once and get double entries..


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