A word of complaint when Alito said exactly the same thing about it being an asset in interpreting the law according to his experiences with his Italian upbringing.

Not even sure what you even mean with this statement
So why bother. I'm watching the Laker game. Night!

We can whipem out and compare whose is bigger.. Sorry you had to leave.. I know B envy is hard to git over.. Nighty nite..

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That was uncalled for and classless. You are the classless individual in this discussion - and I will not lower myself to discuss anything with you again. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION AFTER I LISTEN TO SOTOMAJORS' DISCUSSION.

Attack..attack... great deflection.. NOT..
I've seen much worse from you.. do you want me to link to them..
I am trying to engage you in a discussion.. You said you know the Constitution better.. SO PROVE IT.. ANSWER THE DANGED QUESTION.. or are you like most Progressives.. ALL HOT AIR

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You are a hateful individual. you attack thoughtful people like Davids mom and then get nasty with because you fail to provide convincing evedence. Lindsy should be a shamed.

There is a major difference between attacks.. like say Sniffles and trying to get a Progressive Liberal to answer a danded question.. Dodge all you want I am going to keep asking...

and yes Cy is right .. you are full of it..

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dang it

You, Liddy, Coulter and Fred have done enough to denigrate conservatism and the reputation of the Republican Party. Give it a rest. When one can't get a point over - resort to name-calling. Sad. Your understanding of the Constitution and the law is sadly lacking - and not worth anyone's time trying to get into a discussion with you based on your lack of knowledge. The process will continue. The Senate/Judiciary Committee will review Sotomajor's record, question her on her rulings and previous statements - and (hold on!) SHE WILL BE CONFIRMED.

knowledge of the Constitution over yours ANY DAY.. SO lets fire up that conversation..
What does the oath of office by a Justice say about using their "Feelings", Life History"..et al..? We will start there...

Where was the name calling?? What you mean the "idiot"... note only after you said "LOSER"

and yes she will be confirmed note my response here..

She will be Confirmed

SO start with my question and then you may ask away.. lets start the discussion...

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Tell me something Dm, simple yes or no will suffice, do you think it was fair to deny Ricci his promotion because no blacks placed high enough to be promoted? Remember now, there were minorities that scored high enough to be promoted.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Seventeen white and two Hispanic firefighters in New Haven, Conn., scored high enough on a test to win promotion, but the city threw out the results after finding that no black firefighters hit the threshold.

The white firefighters sued, alleging reverse discrimination, and lost in federal district court. The case then landed in Judge Sotomayor’s courtroom at the Second U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan. In an hour-long hearing last year she vigorously dives into the dispute.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION HERE

So would that be a yes or no?

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. .we all have listened to Sotomajors discussion - AND I'M WATCHING THE LAKERS NOW!!

Your silence speaks louder then words, once again you talk the talk, but you don't believe it, or it seems, practice it. It's such an easy question, and yet you first question my facts, then parrot the facts, but won't address the facts. Must have been a looooooooong game.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Answer on the way! Lakers won. In a perfect world, my answer would, I assume, be the same as yours. But Hutch - we don't live in a perfect world. Stay tuned. (As if anyone cares what one old 70 year old black woman thinks about this situation). Time for breakfast! If you have the time - read the results of the first court case that found against the white firefighters - and so the case was sent to Sotomajors court of appeals. . .and she found against them. Interesting and sad reading. Our hope is in the 40 and younger citizens who hopefully have gone beyone the mistrust that is the legacy of our past treatment of fellow Americans based on race and sex. This is not my answer - but I'm not avoiding it. As I said three years ago - I came to discuss 'race in America'. . .and this case certainly is worth discussing. . honestly. I'll be back.

Yes or no, is it that hard, was it fair?

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No, I really don't think you will, it was a simple question, asked of you, not Sonia, but you. I guess it was too hard of a question.

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. . that there were minorities that scored high enough to be promoted? I thought the current thought is that no minorities scored high enough.

Yes I'm sure and the question stands.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

You're misinformed here. Minorities passed the test - but the city implements the 'rule of 3'. (Selection to be made from the 3 top scorers) Take the time to read the findings of the first case.

This came from an article published in the WSJ yesterday....
A total of 118 applicants took the two tests for promotion to lieutenant or captain in late 2003, and 59 earned passing scores. Because there were limited vacancies, only the top scorers were eligible for promotion -- a group of 17 whites, and two Hispanics. None of the 27 black firefighters with passing scores was eligible.

What say now, or not say in your case. Here's the link if interested..http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124354041637563491.html

I yam what I yam....Popeye

None of the blacks were eligible because of the cities 'selection from only the top 3 scores) rule. . and limited vacancies. Get the facts from the source - the court case. Reporters put their spin on the facts. Now the 'right' is saying the court justices put their 'spin' on the law. We'll see.

Think there will ever be a promotion for anyone that isn't black? That seems to be the only test worth considering. Who's fault is it that the blacks didn't test high enough?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

and can answer in his own time.. but here is something for you to chew on.. It sort of puts your info in a different light..

and you still have not answered my VERY simple question.. based on Constitutionallity of "Life Experiences" in the oath.. I am just going to keep asking.. you know..

"What does the oath of office by a Justice say about using their "Feelings", Life History"..et al..? We will start there..."

The Briefs filed in the Ricci Case

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You make no since. the constitution is being upheld. finaly the concepts of liberty and freedom and equality are being administered in america. And that is something that is good to "Feel" about.

lift your standards lindsey

What is the point. There hate clouds there judgememts and sesitivities to minorities that have never been allowed to succeed. Just keep looking out for ourselfs and no that President Obama will make a difference.10 years from now all americans will look back and realize how much everyones lifes were improved because of his actions.

picking justice Sotomayor will help bring equality to all. What a lovely and thoughtful choice she is.

The next time I bend over to pick up something, you can just kiss the part that sticks up highest, you stupid putz. I know I can call you that, because Cal didn't edit that when he edited Lindsey. BTW the way you spell I think you must have taken that fireman exam and failed to score high enough too.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I no longer am required to kiss anyones anything. your the stupid one. For your information the exams for the revenue department are more difficult than most with the accounting level questions. I passed easily on my own merits. We earn our way in more ways than you would ever imagine. maybe one day you can see how good I am at my job. Like DM I am through with you.

Promise? If you add like you spell no wonder we're in a deficit.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

You mean you have a job? Do you work for the man?
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you will be able to benefit from all the free education that the Goverment provides.. oh wait.. looks like you already have...

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There are a few in this discussion that I have come to respect. I've answered them - and will not 'debate' any others. Hutch's anger is educational for understanding the point of view of a 'white male'. It's a beautiful day - everyone should be outside - or at least looking out the window and being grateful for LIFE!!

I have no anger, this decision affects me not at all. I've never been in New Haven or been a fireman, except for my Navy training. All I did was ask you a question, period. Yet you hemmed and hawed about it when all I wanted was YOUR opinion. Show me my anger, anywhere in this thread. This reminds me of when I questioned your assertion that 70% of white voters voted for Obama and when you couldn't support the assertion suddenly I was a racist.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

you disagree you're a rascist.. you disagree you're a Republican.. you disagree.. heck name your poison..

Trying to get a logical answer is literaly like trying to pull your own teeth.. or as I like to say: Trying to teach PIGS to sing.. Frustrates the pig and just pi$$es you off..
DM implied she knew more about the Constitution and the Law then I did.. So I asked her a simple little question and she blows a head gasket.. soooo.. Frustrations abound..

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You're not an angry racist. You're right and I'm wrong. No response to my researched answer - interesting. Have a great day!

OK I'll ask you again, where is the angry part, as for your researched answer, I never asked you anything about that, is your comprehension slipping? I just asked YOUR opinion on something, you sound a lot like Denise Conner in the fact that when asked a direct question getting an answer is like pulling teeth. All I asked for was a one word answer, remember that part? How much research does one word take Denise, oh sorry, I mean Mom.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Thank you for your reasoned response. Have a nice day.

Why, you're welcome.

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To answer Hutch’s question: Do I feel this was ‘fair’? No. Do I feel that the ‘law’ was followed, Yes. We’ll see what the Supreme Court says. The sad reality is that this is all based on the tragedy of racial mistrust in America.

The facts:

The Case Part;icipants:
Plaintiffs are seventeen white candidates and one Hispanic
candidate who took the promotional exams, on which they fared
very well, but received no promotion because without the CSB’s
certification of the test results, the promotional process could
not proceed. Defendants are the City of New Haven, Mayor John
DeStefano, Chief Administrative Officer Karen Dubois-Walton,
Corporation Counsel Thomas Ude, Director of Personnel Tina
Burgett, and the two members of the CSB, Malcolm Weber and Zelma
Tirado, who voted against certification.

The Finding of the Court:

There is no evidence in the record to suggest
that the non-certification decision was made in retaliation for
plaintiffs’ refusal to “associate with,” or their expression of
disagreement with, Kimber. As with the Equal Protection claim,
the fact that defendants desired to avoid the wrath of one group
(in this case African-American firefighters and other political
supporters of Kimber and DeStefano) does not logically lead to
the conclusion that defendants intended to discriminate or
retaliate against plaintiffs because they were not members of
that group. More importantly, there is no evidence in the record
even to suggest that defendants knew plaintiffs’ political
affiliations, i.e., whether they supported Kimber and/or
DeStefano on any issue other than the certification of these
particular exam results. In sum, in plaintiffs’ terms, the
record shows that defendants acted to head off the potential
adverse impact of the promotion tests on African-American and
Hispanic firefighters in order to curry favor with minority
voters and political leaders in the City, but it does not contain
any evidence of an intent or purpose to target plaintiffs for not
supporting that political coalition or its interests. Thus,
defendants’ motion for summary judgment on the First Amendment
claim must be granted. (The Court of Appeals (Sotomajor) agreed with this finding.)

To answer Cy’s concern: Many organizations and cities have implemented a different process for determining proficiency in management skills. To my knowledge, these procedures have not been challenged – and in most cases have produced the desired results – i.e. a diverse, skillful management team.

I hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to have this as a mute issue. (Accepting and 'trusting' that in America men, women and racial ‘minorities’ receive equal access to opportunity and promotion.)

Can you enlighten this ignorant one how these schemes work without getting tangled up in court.
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we had a simular issue.. Not enough Minorities passed a promotion exam.. The problem was they did not try to.. While we had tutors and study groups paid for mock exams etc.. Many minorities had the idea they would get a pass.. Their words not mine.. When they didn't .. they screamed rasicm... The end result.. they had their "OWN" exam and we had ours.. Which did more to split the groups then bring them together.. The problem is not racism as Davids Mom likes to protray it.. The problem is a mindset.. They have had a Entitlement mindset for so long.. they just expect to get the free pass..and when the likes of Sotomayor that mentallity just gets fostered even more..
The problem needs to be addressed in their community.. not the courts..

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You're not ignorant - and what 'schemes'?

Many organizations and cities have implemented a different process for determining proficiency in management skills.

Oh yes I am.

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So far these 'schemes' have not been challenged by employees, unions, or cities or organizations that are using this new process. . .therefore - no court action. If the criteria and process is known to all participants; implemented fairly and impartially; and produces the desired results; and the appeal process is viewed as being fair. .no need to go to court. The reality is that this was a case that was judged on the 'law' - and not 'fairness'. The plaintiffs may have been better off going to a mediator - and staying out of the 'courts'. It has now become a 'case celeb' - and the law as written, imho, has been followed. We'll see what the Supreme Court says.

Do you keep dodging the question, I'm not asking a judge, or a court, I'm asking you, yes or no, how hard can it be? From your response I can tell your answer, it seems there are minorities and then there are MINORITIES.

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if you would have read just one of the links I gave you.. You would have learned something..

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Not in Southern Mexifornia.
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Sensible Republicans are trying to tone down the rhetoric over this confirmation. The process will work. Unless she really comes across like Bush's 'lady nominee' for the Court or Attorney General (I forgot her name) - Sotomajor will be confirmed. . .but with this 'stuff' going on regarding Sotomajor’s sex and race - Repubs are losing the Hispanic and women's vote BIG TIME. And you're right - lose California - and you lose 2012. Interesting politics here. Obama may be playing a very strategic game here. This woman is qualified, experienced, etc. Some are trying to make a Borg out of her. We'll see. The nomination has just about sewed up the Hispanic vote.

When Bob Dornan AKA "B1 Bob" lost his congressional seat due to a larger Latino vote I though it was only a matter of time before the numbers would sway to a more left of center voting block. But you know, they (the Mexifornians) booted out Gray Davis and voted for Arnold so go figure.

BTW, I'm watching how they come to grasp with their budget problem. Hard choices are ahead for them.

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California is unpredictable. The reality is the Hispanic population is really very conservative (values, work ethic, importance of family and religion) - but this neo conservative attack on Sotomajor's race and sex is pulling the Hispanic community left of center. Missed opportunity for Republicans.

"...but this neo conservative attack on Sotomajor's race and sex is pulling the Hispanic community left of center. Missed opportunity for Republicans."

David's Mom - what conservatives are attacking Soto's "race and sex"
Please provide quotes.

It is Sotomayor that is attacking white males in her racist comments,
and libs are trying unsuccessfully to turn it against conservatives.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan

"Obama may be playing a very strategic game here"
oh you mean like he played here:
8000 EARMARKS

Do you remember saying this???

If the Obama team eliminates these earmarks - will the Republicans join in the effort of recovery? (Obama is so much smarter than 'some' Republican supporters.) Always have something that can be removed when negotiating.

Well you thought he was some grand stratigist that was allowing them to add all the earmarks..just to veto the package.. He didn't do it did he...!!!

Now are you ready to answer my question?
"What does the oath of office by a Justice say about using their "Feelings", Life History"..et al..? We will start there..."

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also in alot of areas here in Georgia.. Have you seen the State Farms billboards all in Spanish??

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Boilerplate DM response:

"I showed your question to six (black) Nobel prize winners and they were shocked by the blatant racism implicit in your query. One wise old (black) scholar even went so far to mutter aloud something about savages and this wretched, wretched little island. I also took the liberty of running off dittos of your racist question and posted it in the quads of three local HBCs. Today's youth can smell racism two clicks away. Must be all the video games and oral sex parties they grew up with. Anyway soon you and yours will be forced to do things my way and then you'll understand how stupid and evil you truly are. And if you don't, who cares? Pigment wins. Oops. I mean ... we're all gonna blend down to a Swiss Coffee color -- the same color real estate agents suggest you paint your interior walls when selling! Plus, you're lacking in intellect. Toodles."

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With all this race discussion on here I thought another Pelosi joke would be cool. It's not as good as yours, but here it is:

Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one
day. As they walked, they come across a sign: "Beauty contest for the
most beautiful woman in the world."

"Who in the hell is Nancy Pelosi?" asked Pinocchio.

A miserable, rather frumpy, middle-aged woman named Main Stream was in a hot-air balloon when she realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a dashing young yachtsman named MOC in his boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend (must be Sniffer or diva) I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

"Well," said MOC, "you don't know where you are or where you are going.. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it's my fault."

I'm gonna steal that one. I've got a great Obama joke. Wish I could tell it. Sigh...

Not Townhall.. are these invalid too?

UK Telegraph Link

Commentary Magazine. Link

Canada Free Press. Link

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I guess these are bogus sites too??

UK Telegraph Link

Commentary Magazine. Link

Canada Free Press. Link

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I want the questions asked. Is she or is she not? If she is not then no big deal at all. What are you guys afraid of? That the truth might somehow hurt your cause?

Don't Spread My Wealth.... Spread My Work Ethic