Committee recommends business license for Starship

Thu, 05/21/2009 - 3:41pm
By: Ben Nelms

Committee recommends business license for Starship

Members of Coweta County’s Tax Rate Review and Appeals Committee voted 4-1 Wednesday to recommend to county commissioners that Starship Adult Novelties & Gifts be issued a business license to operate its Thomas Crossroads location. Commissioners are expected to take up the issue in June.

The end of the lengthy appeal process that began in mid-April came with comparatively few comments from county consultant attorney Scott Bergtholdt and Starship attorney Alan Begner.

Committee member Claude Vickers made the initial motion that was amended to include two other provisions. The final motion recommended that the county commission overturn staff’s recommendation and issue Starship a business license as a general retail business that would be in compliance with the ordinance as it stood on Jan. 26 prior to the adoption of the new sexually-oriented business and obscenity ordinances. The motion also included the stipulation that Starship conduct monthly audits during the first year of operation and quarterly audits if no problem is found. The motion also provided for unannounced visits to be conducted by county staff.

It was toward the end of approximately one hour of statements and questions that committee member Gary Arnold added a component to the matters before the committee that had not been stated in any of the previous Starship hearings. Addressing Business License Director Eva Wagner on her decision earlier this year to deny the business license, Arnold said he believed she had no other alternative but to decide against issuing it.

“Your job would have been in jeopardy,” Arnold said, referencing unnamed individuals in county leadership positions.

Arnold went further, questioning why Starship had been given the indication as late as Jan. 15 that everything was in order to receive its license, yet on Jan. 28 the walk-through by county staff did not occur. That was two days after the adoption of the county’s new sexually-oriented business and obscenity ordinances that were said to prohibit Starship from opening at Thomas Crossroads.

“We don’t have a good explanation why the Jan. 28 walk-through didn’t happen,” Arnold said, also referencing the county’s previous statements regarding Starship’s Jonesboro store as a contributing factor in denying the business license. “We should be evaluating his Coweta operation, not the one in Jonesboro. Has he been treated fairly, whether we like it morally or not, as a new applicant? We haven’t done the right thing by this applicant.”

When put to a vote minutes later, all but committee member Ronnie Clothfelter voted to recommended issuance of the business license.

Prior to the vote, committee Chairman Woodie Wood posed a question to Wagner regarding the Jan. 28 walk-through that never happened. His question centered on the 25 percent maximum of sexually-oriented items that were allowed under the previous ordinance in existence until Jan. 26.

“If you had gone on Jan. 28 and (Starship) passed and met the 25 percent, would you have given a business license under the old ordinance?” Wood asked.

“Honestly, I can’t say if I would or not,” Wagner responded, after conversing first with at least two of the four attorneys at her table representing the county.

After the meeting, Starship attorney Alan Begner said he appreciated the committee’s recommendation and looked forward to taking the issue back to the county commission.

“We appreciate the serious-mindedness of this committee, and the matter still goes before the commissioners. I believed all along, as did Mr. Arnold, that this was not Eva Wagoner’s decision, but the board of commissioners. We’ll see now what they do,” Begner said.

The Wednesday meeting was not the first by the committee to address the business license appeal. The proceedings in the nearly 5-hour appeal hearing April 13 revolved around the Feb. 6 denial of Starship’s business license by Wagner and Starship’s contention that the decision had been made by Jan. 20 when more than 300 residents packed the commission chambers, ready to demand that commissioners face litigation rather than give in to having Starship operate in the Thomas Crossroads area. It was at the beginning of the Jan. 20 meeting, and prior to public comments, that Commissioner Rodney Brooks read a prepared statement that altered the course of Rogers’ intentions to open his business.

“Based on what (county staff) have seen, and what they have been told, staff believes the proposed store is a sexually-oriented business and, therefore, cannot operate at the proposed location without rezoning,” Brooks said. “Our county staff has informed the board that they will be denying this business license application at this time.”

Before the Jan. 20 meeting ended, commissioners said they would deny the license because Starship had been determined to be a sexually-oriented business that is not permitted in the commercial area. Rogers said after the meeting he disagreed with the decision.

Begner at the April 13 appeal hearing contended that the decision to deny the license had been made no later than Jan. 20, even though he and Rogers met with Wagner Jan. 15 and were not told of any issues that might prevent the store’s opening. Starship has done everything Coweta County required and should be allowed a business license, Begner said repeatedly.

Central to the business license denial was the comparison by Bergthold that trips made to other Starship locations by private investigators Frank Copus and Jerry Brown and by Wagner and county attorney Jerry Ann Conner showed that those locations contained as much as 40 percent of inventory consisting of sexually-oriented items. Those percentages clearly exceeded the 25 percent maximum stipulated in the old and new Coweta ordinances, Bergthold said, adding that in some cases, Starship was violating the ordinances of the counties in which those stores were located.

Begner on a number of occasions took issue with that assertion, stating the one location operating under jurisdiction-specific ordinances could not be effectively compared to another, adding that Starship had already said it would comply with all Coweta codes.

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Submitted by 1bighammer on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 10:52am.

like that or did your Mama drop you on your head while she was fumbling with her Sex toy?

Seriously though, how can you make a connection between someone buying a sex toy and beating their wife?

Say what you want, a healthy sex life is paramount to a good marriage, and if people's "toys" keep their sex life in good order then more power to them. Who are we to tell someone what they can do in the privacy of their own bedroom?

Tell me again exactly how seeing this store from the outside (children aren't allowed inside) is going to make our children sexuial deviants, I guess I missed that explanation!

Have any of you actually seen the store? Its a Blue Metal building with a small, non eye catching sign and small tinted windows and doors. Really not appealing and unless a child already knows what "Adult Novelties" are then they have no idea what is inside. If they ask you about the store, explain it however you like, that's YOUR responsibility as a parent.

I'm nor necessarily for or against having the shop there. My problem, and the reason I'm on Rogers' side is that he has a right to have the business. He consulted with Coweta County before he even built the building and was told as long as he met zoning requirements he would be fine. He did EVERYTHING they asked him too. The truth is the county never expected him to comply so there would be no need to issue him a business license. However, he complied, so they then changed the rules in the last tso minutes of the game so as to have areason to deny him the license. That my firends is just WRONG!

So to Mr. Rogers I say good luck! There are obviously a TON of people in this area and on the Coweta County Board that you shopuld issue Gift Certificates to becasue they are in DIRE need of your Shop's products.

Submitted by HoochieWagon on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 1:01pm.

You forgot to add- The building is also at the bottom of a hill. You really have to look over and down to see it.

Submitted by Cobra on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 9:55pm.

Okay, okay you were right and I am wrong. There.....I admitted my "wrongness". I still hope that old porn shop goes out of business, though. Anyway, have a great day!

Submitted by Dondol on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 9:04am.

But I can't believe that you would want them to go out of business, with all of the talk now a days about stimulus, they should do a bumper business (bumper business, Ha, I made a funny).

Remember, Every Girl Loves a BOB!

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Submitted by Cobra on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 10:09am.

Thanks, I needed the laugh!

Submitted by Ga-Gal on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 9:32pm.

I agree completely with the statement that Suggarfoot made about children being fragile. Honestly we all know that ethics and morals are an important thing to be taught to kids, that begins at home. It doesn't matter if a child is from a broken family or not. There are some children who come from broken homes that have better ethics and morals than those from a home with both parents. A store such as this does not allow children in. You must be of age to enter. So the entire argument about a child being in this atmosphere has nothing to do with the store it's self. You can not keep a child, teenager, or any adult from having a curiosity that they may want to explore themselves. People who do decide to go to these stores are making that choice for themselves not anyone else. Who is someone else to judge what a husband and wife, or anyone else wants to do behind closed doors sexually. If you and your spouse have something you enjoy doing behind closed doors together others make think that is wrong. Unfortunately there are people in this society that believe if they do not allow these type of establishments into their community that these things will not happen. Well unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world and never will. Remember anyone can go online and look at a site that has sexual content. To make a statement that Ellicott bought a sex toy for someone else has nothing to do with the fact of a store being around. You can purchase these things online, or in other counties. As for that you can go to your local grocery store, or drug store and buy KY jelly, and condoms. Heck you can even have a party at your own house to sell them. Think about that next time the neighbors have a party and you weren't invited. If you think that keeping these places out of your town will stop things from happening it won't. Sure no one wants to ever look down the street of their town and see blinking naked dancer signs, and sex toy shops. I feel there should be sometime type of restrictions. This building that the store is located in does not have anything drawing attention to it. Honestly if you didn't pay close attention as you drive by you probably wouldn't even notice it sitting there. No one ever said that it is a requirement for all members of the community to shop there. Although I am sure that several who have voiced their objections to this establishment opening may eventually stop by just out of curiosity wondering exactly what is in there. For those of you who think that only freaks and weirdos shop at these type of stores you may be surprised at who actually does. This is the type of store you shop at for "personal items" not things your going to hang out on your mailbox to display to all the neighbors.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 5:41pm.

I attended the trial of the Delta pilot. If I remember right, the same month he almost beat his wife to death, he bought a sex toy for someone else. The deal in my mind is, this is just another tool for the nut cases.

Our children are fragile. they have broken homes, broken lives, and a lot of anger/hate.

If we CAN SAVE/SALVAGE just ....ONE... of the good kids, in a misguided moment of anger from doing something that would make woman/sex, demeaning, painfull,'in that monment', that might ruin this kid for good...

Who's rigths should we most value ?

...a child with their life in front of them...?

OR

... a jerk off who can't do better in their highest moment in life than opening a sex/porn/shop and have his first amenment in tact?

Seems like a no brainer for me!

The rights of parents trying to salvage their damageed kids!!!! and their outlook on LIFE and SEX comes way ...IN FRONT OF THE RIGHTS OF A ...FREAK!


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Submitted by secret squirrel on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 9:39am.

I've never heard of a single case of a child being molested at an adult novelty shop or whatever euphemism you'd prefer for a sex-toys/porn retailer.

However, I hear of it all the time at churches and religious outings. If you're going to beat the drum about threats to children, at least maintain a little credibility and consistency.

And I'm quite sure that the owners of Starship appreciate the outrage the knee-jerk Biblicans (or Biblocrats) vent when issues like this arise. It's free publicity for them and we all know controversy sells papers. Or, in deference to Cal Beverly's concept of "journalism," generates web hits.


Submitted by HoochieWagon on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 10:06pm.

People. Sex and what you would call "deviance" is already here out in the open. The store is not going to bring a gang of perverts to the area. Just search for PTC or Newnan in the Casual Encounters section of Craig's List. For example, today there was a listing for a male naked cleaner- With a photo. I think Starship actually caters to more of the vanilla sex life!

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 4:31am.

Just asking. Might need someone to come over and get the dust cleaned up.

Or were you just doing research so you could better understand the evil influences you are trying to eradicate from this earth?


Submitted by HoochieWagon on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 7:24am.

Laughing out loud No Mudcat... I am totally for the store. Sometimes you have to talk in "their-speak" to get them to listen for a second.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 8:51pm.

But wouldn't we be doing our children an injustice if we stopped defending our 1st amendment rights?

The fact that sex toys/shops exist has nothing to do with that Crazy Delta SOB's behavior and/or mental condition of his children.


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 5:55pm.

area......they would...why haven't they? maybe...they passed laws..or just plain ...ran them out! Children are too precious to experiment with.

I hate to sound too pushy...but our children should form their own opinions of sex, in a normal way, without something like this.
Don't let something like this teach your children...it is slime!


Submitted by Dondol on Fri, 05/22/2009 - 8:37am.

BUT, they are not allowed inside this or any other Starship Store, you have to 21. At 21 they are no longer Children!
Also, "I hate to sound too pushy...but our children should form their own opinions of sex, in a normal way, without something like this.
Don't let something like this teach your children...it is slime!"
would you please explain this comment, unless you kids can see thru walls I'm not sure how this applies. Your comment makes you sound like an uneducated rabid bible thumper!
Obama's weapon of Choice!

Submitted by Xiphosura on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 9:00pm.

I don't plan to take my children with me if I go there.

Sounds like you might benefit from a visit to get over your repressed sexuality.

You must be hopelessly Southern Baptist.

Submitted by rjhatl on Thu, 05/21/2009 - 6:35pm.

Maybe I missed something in the article. Is the store offering sex education classes to children? Or anyone? I seriously doubt the store would let children in the door.

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