inmigración! inmigración!

Indoumentado. How do you know that they all pay taxes and work hard?
What about the one's living off of the government teet that don't work hard, or the one's that make a living by robbing and killing innocent, tax paying Americans.

BTW, I wouldn't hire an illegal criminal alien if my life depended on it. I do all of my yard work, and when my roof was repaired, I made the contractor prove that every worker on the site was here legally.

These criminal aliens broke America's laws the momement they crossed the border and deserve nothing but to be spat on before they are deported back to Mexico. I don't care how hard they work - they're criminals.

The United States of America
July 4, 1776 - Jan 20, 2009
Rest in Peace

Under this logic, the people in the Mayflower and the rest of Europeans coming to America in the early 1620s also broke the law the moment they disembarked in America... as did your ancestors Fred Garven. As far as we know, the Amerindians did not grant visas to these people....Stop being a hypocrite, you have used these immigrants and have taken advantage of them directly or indirectly, they are part of our way of life and they are not going back. You would do yourself a favor learning some Spanish so you can interact in a civilized way with people.

The U.S. is a sovereign nation of laws. Either you follow the rule of law or you get deported back to Mexico. Comprende, pendejo?

The United States of America
July 4, 1776 - Jan 20, 2009
Rest in Peace

Interesting you feel the need to insult when you lack arguments for a decent debate....anyway Garmin, immigrants are here to stay, wheter you like it or not, what you think regarding this issue is really irrelevant. Economic realities are greater than midget brains like yours, gran cerote.

Tuff language calling someone a "pubic hair" from the security of your anonymity. Not very "CHRIStian" either. But, riddle me this oh spineless endomorph?

You say that we need to get a handle on immigration before what is left of America dies. Yet, you have America's date of death on every post? Which one is it, "fred?" So far, your only clear message is you are a lying liar scared of the light of day who has a preoccupation with all Obama. I think it's knee-slapping funny, personally. Ohh, those Somali pirates sure showed Obama! HA HA HA HA HA!

No one is above the law.. I was against Bush and the Dems when they pushed this earlier and nothing has changed since..
You are either here legally or not.. if not enforce the laws on the books.. make it hard to get employment by going after the ones that hire them.. No Work then they leave.. Simple..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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Which is it?

Back in the day the immigrants who came to this country were proud to be here. They were proud to speak our language, and they were proud to have jobs here, and pay taxes.

My grandfather was proud to have escaped nazi Germany. He was so proud of his first job and the first tax bill he received that he framed a copy of his tax statment. He kept a copy of the receipt for his first statment framed above his desk. As a kid I did not understand the importance or the pride. He was proud to be an American.

I don't hold a grudge against people who come here legally. I do hate the people who come here illegally and expect us to accommodate them and speak their language. Blend in or go home!! I'm sick to death of pressing 1 for english.

If you are a good citizen and law abiding why would you come here illegally? Why wouldn't you want to pay taxes in a country you allegedly love?

"They were proud to speak our language, and they were proud to have jobs here, and pay taxes."

Sky, since when are YOU proud to pay taxes? You lead the blogs in wining about taxes taking from you and giving to the lazy. You are tea bagged enough, right?

So, are you NOW a proud tax payer?

I am way way confused.

Instead of your rambling rants you might want to just express your own opinion about a subject.

I'm still proud of this country. I do resent paying for illegal immigrants, and welfare moochers. I don't mind paying my fare share as long as everyone else is too. We are throwing good money away on illegals and it acutally encourages them to continue to break the law. Starting with obama's aunt who is here ILLEGALLY!!

Diva I thought you were an open minded liberal who accepts other opinions and ideas contrary to your own? Yet, everytime someone disagrees with your opinion(which is the ONLY right opinion) you resort to name calling and mindless angry rants. Now I do love to go off on criminals and politicians, but you go off on anyone who isn't rabidly liberal. Whatever....

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But, if you are referring to "pendejo," you will see I'm quoting "fred" who called Indocumentado that word... apology accepted.

Now, one thing I would never call you, Skyspy, is a proud tax payer; at least not judging from your voluminous posts on taxes and income redistribution.

Again, if you thought I was calling you a name, I apologize. I can get a bit "Obumbles" some times..... know what I mean, Sky?

Hard to get use to name callers sensitive towards people quoting name callers; further deepens my confusion.

to the overwhelming problem of illegal immigrants? Or will you just continue to belittle other people's opinions?

I hope you sent the illegal who hit you and totaled your car last year a "thank you" note for being in our country. It is very kind of you to be so forgiving of people who cause so much damage in our country.

obumbles is a politician who is surrounded by tax cheats. He is a public figure. Politicians deserve whatever criticisim they get from the public they serve. If they can't take the heat they should stay out of the line of fire. He is surrounded by tax cheats, some of them had the smarts to stop before they got started.

So do you have any solutions or opinions on illegal immigrants? Are you putting your money where your computer is and sponsoring any illegals so they can live it up while they are here? Have you bought a second home for them to live in while they are here? Or, do you just give them 10 bucks to do your lawn? Which since that 10 bucks isn't taxed, that is acutally a good wage since it is tax free.

One solution to the problem of freeloading illegals would be to have all of the registered democrats pay an extra 10% of their income into a fund to help illegals pay for all of the free health care they get here. They could also pay for their citizenship classes and help them learn to drive and get a drivers license, and pay their car insurance. Then when they hit someone at least that person will be able to sue an insurance company for damages. Then the dems. can take up another collection to pay for the pony tail lawyer(who really should be volunteering their services for free) to represent them. This way the people who think illegals are a worthy cause will support them and put their money where their lofty ideals are. Or they could turn out like obumbles who gave less than 1% of his income to charity in 2007. What would the dems choose?

Do you have a better plan?

1. Hate is not attractive on you. That's just my opinion.

2. Scold name-callers equally to be fair and balanced; that's a solution to imbalance.

3. Don't put words in my mouth on supporting illegal immigration simply because I dare point out that you are a very uncheerful tax payer telling immigrants to cheerfully pay tax; that's an opinion.

4. Less is often more if you wish your entire posts to be read; that's a solution.

Sooooo you take my original post that was comparing earlier immigrants to todays illegals.... and somehow you turn that around to say I'm not a proud taxpayer. ?? Thats all you want to argue about?

The discussion started about illegal immigrants. As usual you have nothing to offer.

Argue with yourself, I'm too busy.

That the same person that said this:

"Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/25/2009 - 10:59pm.

No misunderstanding. Just a healthy dose of my cynical sarcasim.

Now I have to get ready for work so all of the freeloaders can live off of the taxes I pay. The best revenge would be to just stop working."

Is nervy enough to demand that anyone be a proud tax payer. Hope you go convey that message at the TEA party. THAT should be quite an argument.

Good luck with the hating of illegals. Tends to be a cancer that eats from within.

I understand your concern. Why come here illegally? Because they can earn money to feed their families here. Why wouldn't they want to pay taxes? Maybe because their employer doesn't acknowledge that they are working here. They do pay taxes on goods/services purchased. Hate is a strong word. You are entitled to your emotion - but remember, that 'hate' can return to us ten-fold - and in the past has. Many an immigrant has put up with injustice in our country in order to take advantage of the opportunities that our system of government offers, If members of our society use 'immigrants' illegally, then they also should have the legal consequence of such action. The community night schools in most cities are filled to the brim with 'immigrants' learning English and Spanish and Korean! These are the languages of American business today. Our neighbors in the 40's and 50's had immigrant grandparents who spoke another language. It was not easy for them to learn English - and I often saw periodicals in their homes printed in their native language. Give the newcomers a chance - we've allowed them in (illegally) and used their services before they had a chance to learn the language. Also, Americans will have to understand that it is the sign of global awareness to speak at least one other language. Most educated citizens of other countries speak at least two languages.

If you want to support illegals by having them work on your lawn and your house great.

I do not support them. They should come here legally or stay in their own country. Actually many of them have gone back home because of the housing bust. They can live more cheaply in their country. Nobody said moving to another country was easy. The point is people in my grandparents generation were willing to work hard, and they were proud of their new citizenship.

Criminals, illegal immigrants, and politicians all fall in the same group. Nobody would miss any of them.

we've allowed them in (illegally)

Please explain.
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Having been raised in Southern California, I've seen the rise in illegal immigrants (Hispanic and Asian) because of the ineffectiveness of enforcing our border laws. These immigrants were working people in low paying jobs - and everyone from children to adults knew where they lived and where they worked. It didn't take, in my opinion, an investigation to enforce our law regarding legal immigration - but there were various businesses that had influence in 'high places' that needed their cheap labor - so in my opinion, they were allowed to enter, settle, and work in the US.

Employers large or small have to ignore existing laws and/or go through a few hoops to get around them(we had NO IDEA our contractor used illegals!!!), but illegals provide an opportunity for them to hire at whatever wage they would like to and to provide(or not) whatever benefits, as well as heeding or not other employment rules and regulations. For employers, this represents truly unbridled free market capitalism where labor is worth purely what someone else will pay for it. That is why there are some powerful interests that are happy when present laws are ignored and why Repubs have had a hard time with the issue as the Repub consumer base is against illegals and anything that smacks of amnesty, but big business/big money benefits from illegals.

Dems don't have the same problem as they are pretty much in favor of anything the pro-immigration lobby is for as big labor sees a chance to reverse the steady decline of union membership if these illegals can be converted into legals. Of course, big labor is big clueless to think that illegals that become citizens and union members are going to find work as usual when employers have to suddenly pay union(or even minimum, overtime, etc.) wages and union benefits. D'oh!

Illegal Immigration really isn't a partisan issue. Both ideologies embrace cheap labor and look to prostitute themselves to identity politics.

"Sky, Sky, Ms. American Pride...
Fed illegals to her beagles
Till it got dark outside..."

Oh, I crack me up sometimes....

Can't get the melody out of my head!

If you should ever open the hood, has components stamped with the notice, Hencho En Mexico, upon them.. Go figure....BLESS

Can you direct anyone to the "law" that the pilgrims broke? Using your logic the Spaniards weren't granted visas either. And you and I both know they were not saints.

BTW, I'm curious if this new thought about amnesty and bringing the undocumented "out of the shadows" and paying a fee to re-register becomes the new law of realm what should be done with those individuals that fail to comply? Should they be deported even if it breaks a family apart? If they failed the background do they face the same? Will the increase in border security as proposed by the President upset anyone?

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about the relationship of the Hispanic community vis a vis the so called "welfare system" and community crime before firing off these broadsides. While some may be in this illegally, you may find that they are actually less of a drain on our government than, say, your typical hedge fund director. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

I seen you at the Mexican restaruant last night, dont act like it was not you...Did you pass through the kitchen to check that everyones documents were in order. Im sure you did my mistake you are an Oak....PEACE

If they weren't here illegally and couldn't be so easily exploited due to that fact, they might not be treated the way they are. If they had to be paid and were given the same guarantees and protections under the law like legal citizens, there wouldn't be the demand for those 12million all of a sudden. I have zero sympathy for anyone that willingly and with full knowledge submits to this kind of exploitation as they obviously feel it's a better option than staying wherever they are from and trying to be part of fixing that situation.

I'm for a solution that is protects American borders and gives people wanting citizenship a path to obtain that legally. Since there are already 12 million illegals here mainly because Americans love cheap labor that can be exploited and discarded, the blame game goes both ways. The big question is how to handle those already here.

Considering the cesspool the country of Mexico has been for quite a while, I don't know if any immigration policy that makes it "easy" for those here now or in the future to become citizens is in either the US or Mexico's interests. If everyone keeps running away from Mexico, the country will never change and get its act together enough to be a place people might want to actually live in.

US businesses and individuals that have benefited from all the illegals aren't going to keep hiring them once they become legals. The cost savings and ability to ignore employment laws disappears then.

W's plan was weak and he and the supporters did a very lousy sales job that wasn't convincing anyone. Everyone knows there is a huge problem, but it's going to require a great selling job to convince enough people that there is an acceptable compromise type of solution. Good luck.