County not happy with PTC annex proposal

Fri, 04/03/2009 - 3:17pm
By: John Munford

A proposal to move the Publix-anchored Peachtree East shopping center inside the Peachtree City limits could cost the county big-time.

The county stands to lose more than $26,000 in taxes and fees which it could no longer charge if the shopping center on Ga. Highway 54 across from Lexington Circle is annexed by the City Council.

That prospect drew the ire of some county commissioners during their Wednesday workshop meeting. The commission discussed the matter because the city had filed its request to annex the property, a procedural move that must occur before the annexation can be voted on by the city.

Under Georgia law, there are only several very specific reasons under which a county can legitimately object to an annexation request. And to commissioners’ chagrin, they could find no such reason to lodge an objection.

“Certainly we have a continuous objection to the continuous assault on our tax base,” said Commission Chairman Jack Smith.

Ultimately the commission voted unanimously not to object to the annexation request. But the county will be asking the city to consider a special arrangement that would allow the county to continue serving the property for fire and EMS needs in an amount equal to the roughly $20,000 the county would lose in fire and EMS taxes if the 17-acre shopping center is annexed by the city.

The shopping center is already served by city sewer but entering the city would allow businesses there to sell alcohol by the drink on Sundays, a practice not allowed in the unincorporated county.

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Submitted by zoes on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:03pm.

"The shopping center is already served by city sewer but entering the city would allow businesses there to sell alcohol by the drink on Sundays, a practice not allowed in the unincorporated county."

So, businesses no longer want to be in Fayette County, thereby paying county taxes, because they can't serve alcohol on Sundays.

FAYETTEVILLE and FAYETTE COUNTY, and eventually the STATE OF GEORGIA need to let go of their stupid blue laws and let businesses provide for the communities.

When I lived in another state and saw actual liquor at the *gasp* grocery store and could buy it on a Sunday (or any day), I thought 'gee, what a concept'. How sad for me that I grew up in GA and didn't know the rest of the world was free to behave as adults!

ZoeS

"Never love anything that can't love you back."


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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:40pm.

You can already drink on Sunday in Fayetteville, which blue law you talking about?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by matt.barnes on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:47pm.

Whats going on with Sunday alchohol sales at the state level? I forgot to buy sunday beer so I ended up going to the bar. I hate when that happens because it cost $12 dollars to drink at home and if I go out it usually ends up costing $40.


Submitted by AtHomeGym on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 3:03pm.

The Bill remained stuck in Committee. Absolutely disgusting that the Legislature & our Govenor won't work together to give GA Citizens a chance to vote.

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Submitted by zoes on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:44pm.

Within Georgia, there are blue laws. On Sundays in Fayetteville, you can only drink and drive.

ZoeS

"Never love anything that can't love you back."


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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:55pm.

That certainly clears that up.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by cmc865 on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 12:09pm.

Why would the city give the county $20,000 a year so they could provide Fire and EMS coverage to a shopping center, when the City could do it themselves and have a better response time with the ambulance too. The City could find 20,000 ways to better spend the money. MAKES no sense to me. Someone please explain what I am missing here.


Submitted by intheknow on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:51pm.

cmc,
This particular parcel does have a storied past, as if you remember, years ago during the Lenox administration, PTC council sent the county commission a letter asking them not to rezone this property for this shopping center. Back then, it wasn't zoned commercial, and much of it was occupied by trailers, as a good portion of it was occupied by Shilo MHP, and the front portion was nothing but a field.
The county commissioners were told at that time that PTC wouldn't provide Police or Fire/EMS protection for it, if zoning was changed, ultimately as PTC didn't want a shopping center built on the city's border then.
Well, ultimately trailers were moved, and construction of Peachtree East Shopping Center went through.
At one time, I believe possibly back during the HB 489 discussions or subsequent to them, Police and Fire protection for this development was brought back up. Again, requesting PTC provide these services for this development. This location would probably be better served by PTC due to it's proximity to the city and closest fire station, but without the tax money funneled to PTC, this shouldn't happen.
It's always had Peachtree City mailing addresses (30269), and many of the businesses there have often referred to themselves as being PTC locations. Might as well complete the process, take the taxes and require future signage and occupancy conform to PTC codes and standards. Just don't annex the tire place, as this would technically make Shilo an "island", which would require annexation of the entire MHP as well, which would negatively impact whatever taxes are gained.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 3:07am.

When that area was zoned commercial by the county the sewer had been in place for years - long before the Lenox/Pace/Annie city council bought the worthless thing from PCDC - for multi-millions.

So how did the Equitable/PCDC sewer get there in the first place? That's the real question.

Hint, hint - does the name Jan Trammel mean anything to anyone? Who owns Shilo?

And while we are asking questions, was it Bost, Burrel, Price on county commission when that land got zoned commercial. I know PTC objected very strongly, but they rammed it through anyway.


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Submitted by matt.barnes on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:55pm.

why would it be bad to annex Shilo? Other then the fact it is a trailer park.


Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 3:45pm.

More money spent patrolling/servicing the area than property taxes collected.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 4:22pm.

PTC does not allow trailers by ordinance.

And the tire company is part of the Publix parcel. It is annexed.

Nothing beyond the tire company is annexed. Or behind the Publix and Steinmart parcels.

But no, it does not make Shilo an island. Two side adjoin the County.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 8:49pm.

In my humble opinion. They have a place, just not in PTC.

Submitted by mysteryman on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 8:58pm.

On a recent trip through Wynnmeade though i could not help to feel like i was driving through Guardalahara, a little south of the border if you know what i mean....PEACE

Submitted by mysteryman on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 7:57pm.

Todays modular and mobile homes are built far better than some of the ---- Going up in your city today, and what about the older subdivisions turning into transient rental communitys, whats the difference between them and the TRAILOR PARK, so to say...Beggars cant be choosers, what ever happend to diversity, I propose to allow mobile homes back in to Fayette County in light of the current crisis and to stimulate the economy and promote growth, to fill up our empty surplus classrooms. And to house all the coming refugees, who will no longer be able to afford the Mcmansions ringing Lake Peachtree...BLESS

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 8:51pm.

in Fayette County..in the proper areas.

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Submitted by TinCan on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 1:54pm.

I can't recall any complaint by the county while Fayetteville has willy-nilly annexed any developed / developing area within five miles of center city. Talk about landlocked parcels and a city map that looks like an octopus. How much tax revenue has the county lost with those moves?


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Submitted by matt.barnes on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 12:52pm.

I think the county is trying to get PTC to help offset some of the tax revenue they will lose if the shopping center is annexed. As it turns out we have our own money issues. So I don't know why fayette county is asking for a hand out.

How much revenue does that center generate and why are we just now doing this? It seems like this would have been a big help before PTC ran out of money. In the future I think it would be nice if out city gov't looked for solutions to problems before they hit crisis level.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 2:11pm.

This is not a new issue. It has come up on prior Councils as well.

I had also talked to some management about being annexed in and getting connected to our golf cart paths in the first quarter of 2008.

What changed was the thinking of the owners of the two parcels being annexed, beginning last year. They went from against to for being annexed. They approached us requesting annexation.

A past County Commission had no problem granting rezoning, etc., to allow getting tax revenue from PTC into the County by building right on the PTC line. Been a sore spot for a very long time.

Our sewer has been servicing this shopping center for a very long time. Our police and fire services have been available at need, as well. As well their main customer base has been PTC residents.

Under the Stage 1 approval it was agreed they have 7 years to bring their signage, etc., into PTC standards.

As stated, the issue is the $26,000.00. They would like a sliding turn over to lower the impact.

I see no justification to do that. Once annexed the owners will be working with our Staff, Council and Attorney for all future issues, not the County.

There are other issues of concern PTC will be discussing with the County in the future. We need to work together, since we share the same County, but in an equitable manner.

In return, some on Commission have presented me with some items for consideration next year. I am more than willing to consider any proposal, as long as it properly serves PTC as well as the County.

There is a lot of work ahead in areas of mutual need. It will require good relationships with each party recognizing the rights and realities of the other

So, this is not an isolated issue between PTC and the County. All need resolved fairly.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 3:47pm.

When can we expect to see the hired Contractors begin cutting grass etc.? I saw some PTC workers today in front of City Hall/Library. It was about time, the area was beginning to look horrible.

The Parkway is in bad need of attention etc...any info is appreciated.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 4:34pm.

Next week.

We had to meet all legal requirements first. Meaning Reduction in Force, then bid requests, then Bid approval and then approving the structure and such within the City Staff structure.

With all that approved by Council Staff began putting it all into formal action, which is suppose to be finished this week.

State and other laws make nothing we do simple. Always takes more time than one would think it should. Frustrating slow for me.

There will be one worker dedicated, all week, to patrolling and picking up litter.

Remember, we also had to contract for emergency services, etc, beyond basic mowing.

In conjunction we approved using Community Service time to pick up litter as well. And beefed up what KPTCB will be doing, both on litter and recycling.

Al Yougel is really dedicated to litter elimination and recycling.

Now, if we could just get citizens to stop littering to begin with it would cheaper on the City and much more pleasant to the eye.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 4:36pm.

And you're right about citizens and not littering. Folks give me crazy looks when I actually stop during my cart ride and pick up trash.

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