Carter to speak on evolution at Heritage Christian tonight

Tue, 03/31/2009 - 3:20pm
By: The Citizen

Dr. Robert Carter of Creation Ministries International will speak at Heritage Christian Church Wednesday, April 1, at 6:30 p.m. on the topic of “Busting the Myth of Evolution: Genesis, Fossils and the Flood.”

Creation and evolution have been the topics of some of the greatest debates ever held in the last 150 years.

Carter will discuss “the bankruptcy of the evolutionary myth” and his view of how the scientific evidence, when properly understood, confirms the details of the Biblical account.

The event is appropriate for adults, youth and children. Desserts and coffee will be served.

Heritage is on the corner of Redwine and Bernard roads in south Fayette County.

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Submitted by mysteryman on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 5:43pm.

We need to discuss what the ---- we are going to do to save this planet and our sorry buts, before we squander what is left....PEACE

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:44pm.

And for alerting the public to the churches that are anti-science in our community. It will be difficult for us to take members of the Heritage Church very seriously now, if we encounter them at any social, community or school event.

And we wonder why our population down here in "the bubble" has slowed/declined over the years. What a bunch of anti-science, bible-thumpers we are.

Submitted by Incognito on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 5:10pm.

I see that you actually hate Christianity as much as crinoline! You sure know how to look the part of the soured wench!!! Congratulations.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 11:48pm.

Life is too short.

Have a good weekend. Maybe we will see some sun by Saturday.

PS: Remember we are all supposed to have open minds and tolerate different opinions as long as we all agree with liberal democrats.

Submitted by Incognito on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 9:20am.

Seriously look at her statement and acknowledge her mistake. She even felt the need to take Main Stream to task.

I find it laughable that it is acceptable to have a mocking icon of hatred like the 'sushi atheist' symbol, but they would shudder to have another "anti symbol" such as a burning cross, a airline carshing through a building with the moniker that "all muslims are evil", etc.

I have enjoyed dogging MS with evidence of her own silliness. She is a grown up, with a mind that is ideological, and a pen that cuts with indiscriminate glee.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 11:07am.

"I have enjoyed dogging MS..."

And I've enjoyed getting a rise out of you with each post I make.....kinda reminds me of being shadowed by Bpr/Lilly/Denise. They hated my posts as well, especially when I would point out hypocrisies in topics such as politics and religion.

(Oh, and I see that cryspy was up late again last night, passing the lonely hours blogging. How sad.)

Submitted by Incognito on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 11:56am.

Nevermind the actual point that you trot out hate and intolerance with ferocity, what was the point that you just made? Are you going to comment on your choice of icons of the past six months?

I am amused by your shrillness and ardor. You are what the troops used to call a mess hall donut - a three dimensional zero with little taste.

but, enjoy your day. go kick a puppy or trip an old man.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 10:35am.

I understand what you mean. I think we are both seeing the same picture. You are right she plays the part well.

Have a good day.

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Submitted by diva on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 5:47pm.

to equate disagreeing with creationism with hatred of Christianity. Do they even make tiaras that small?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 7:01pm.

with my posting and follows my every move on the blogs - such an honor!

What a troll.

Submitted by Incognito on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 7:13pm.

We know your feelings on beauty pageants- you think they are evil and the people are small minded. I can pull up your posts on that matter and the dead pageant girl that you used as an icon.

We know your views on religion, and on Christianity- look at your current icon. You despise both of them, right? You can call me a troll, but the bomb throwing, mouth breathers that do what you do are not trolls as well?

Tell it like it is, be proud of your hatred and scorn. You wear it so well

Submitted by Incognito on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 6:10pm.

to not recognize a known atheist symbol as her icon. Have you not seen it for weeks? I have seen her posts for a while now, and have seen her vitriol concerning Christianity. I have also seen her heart with regard to crinoline. Get a clue, Diva.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 11:34am.

The sushi/fish thing is a parody, incognito.

Parody does not equal "hatred".

Save your legenday situational outrage for more important things.

Submitted by Incognito on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 11:36am.

or better yet, if I want to jack somebody up, maybe a icon of Steppin Fetchit? What do you think, Sniffles? Your wit runs deep.

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 11:50am.

In Liberty,


Submitted by Incognito on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 12:00pm.

some camps to inspect or take pictures of??? Eye-wink

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 11:41am.

Some parodies are in bad taste. Doesn't matter. Supreme Court ruled 8-0 that you can't collect for "emotional distress" for a parody in bad taste. See Falwell vs. Hustler

Deal with it.

Or don't deal with it. Doesn't matter one whit to me!

Submitted by Incognito on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 11:53am.

Taste is ethereal, and very subject specific. But I can draw certain pictures of character by how one portrays themself. This is an exercise in anonymity but normally anonymity reveals the inner workings of the heart. What you choose to comment upon, etc. I just truly want Diva's opinion on the manner. One can easily swoop in like a consultant, defecate upon all, and leave. But any poster can equally do likewise. I have seen enough of Main Stream to get a good picture of whom she wishes to portray herself as. I can certainly ascribe a hatred of spritualism and religion.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 5:52pm.

"I have seen enough of Main Stream to get a good picture of whom she wishes to portray herself as. I can certainly ascribe a hatred of spiritualism and religion." have not learned anything from my posts. I am actually very spiritual. I just detest the hypocrisy, hate and intolerance that is so prevalent in today's organized religions. Religious intolerance is what brought down our beautiful Twin Towers and is what fuels most of the hatred we see in our own country and abroad.

You seem to be taking this stuff way too seriously at times. Unpinch your forehead for a change and stop trying to be the blog police. Who knows...maybe you will actually enjoy yourself.

(we had some bad sushi today so I switched out my fish symbol for a scuba's Sprink Break, dontcha know)

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 5:59pm.

Is there such a thing as good sushi? We have another word for sushi here in the south...well it was an old joke anyway.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by Incognito on Fri, 04/03/2009 - 11:29am.

I will not forget. Please acknowledge the information I share and state whether I am right or wrong. You make an off-handed comment about tiaras, but will you acknowledge what is plainly written and understood-- does the usage of an atheist symbol that was created to mock Christianity determine the state of mind and feelings of Main Stream? Was I wrong? I am waiting on you, girl. Step up

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Submitted by diva on Sat, 04/04/2009 - 2:44pm.

Many conservatives here have anti-liberal or anti-Obama avatars. Gitreal, Richard Hobbs, and Lindsey are just a few. I don't want to speak for them. I can say, however, that I doubt they "hate" democrats. I doubt they "hate" the person, Barack Obama. I imagine, with my simple melon, that they simply disagree with us democrats and their President.

To the point: I know Mainstream personally. Main likes me. I like Main a lot. Main knows I am a Christian.

Therefore, I can very readily say Mainstream does not "hate" Christians or Christianity. Main does not agree with its principles. Big difference, and it takes a mind more open than yours appears to be to see this. Now, don't you have a talent competition to practice for?

Submitted by Incognito on Sat, 04/04/2009 - 6:07pm.

to your faith? Are you so beholden to the Democratic party that you equate a campaign against them the same as a religion? It is sad because my allegiance to my faith runs much deeper than any political ideology. Be that as it may.

I don't give a wit about pageants, but I did see how MS tore into a woman asking about stupid crinoline. Look up the blog. She basically told her that she was trolling her child out and then intimated that she would be slain. Are for a request for information. MS got crap from most other people and changed her icon to Jon Benet Ramsey, furthering her attack on the mother. I thought it went beyond the pale.

You are like the five people you graviate toward. After seeing you blog, I can understand how you and Main Stream are friends. Enjoy one anothers' acerbic company.

My mind is decently open. I just don't like mean people and try to twerk them a bit.

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Submitted by diva on Sun, 04/05/2009 - 5:22am.

While I have no idea how to "graviate toward" anyone, I am quite sure that your perceived mental instability, like so many other right wingers, IS MUCH MORE THAN IMAGINARY. Remember, just because you are paranoid does not mean they aren't coming to get you, you poor, persecuted "christian."

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 04/04/2009 - 8:01pm.

"...and then intimated that she would be slain.

You really are sick. Not once did I infer that ANYONE'S child would "be slain." What kind of warped mind do you possess anyway?


Submitted by Incognito on Sat, 04/04/2009 - 8:39pm.

from MS: "I'm sure Mr. Ramsey has a few you could borrow from Jon Benet's closet."

Pi$$ off you crone

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Submitted by diva on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 4:43pm.

Separate the venue from the people, Main. Because a person comes to speak at a church does not mean every member of the church endorses their words. Some of us wonder how penicillin came to be; how viruses adapt; why antibiotics become ineffective; what happened to the creatures who created all of the neat fossils. This is a tough one for Christians who take everything written in The Bible literally. You should see discussions of Old Testament judgment and carnage knocked around. Makes for interesting conversation. At any rate, there are people who believe evolution and the existence of Adam and Eve are not mutually exclusive. So back off toots Laughing out loud

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 6:58pm.

It's great to see you posting! Hope all is well with you and la familia Smiling

When I was growing up, and attending the Presbyterian church in our community, not once did I hear a discussion about evolution or about a "battle" of ideas between evolution and creationism. Times have changed, however, and more and more churches seem to be in the business of establishing a political agenda, instead of in the business of saving souls and helping the needy. I'll wager that for every member of Heritage Church that supports this kind of anti-science lecture in their sanctuary tonight, there will be one or two members that find it misguided and disheartening.

Back in the day, it used to be that evolution and creationism could coexist. It would be inspiring to actually see a church promote a speaker/lecture that teaches how belief in the theory of evolution can coexist with religion, instead of discussing the subject with such a divisive spin, as referenced in the title and body of the original post. Maybe you could request this type of lecture for your church... (and wear that cool "Coexist" t-shirt when you go Eye-wink)

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Submitted by WakeUp on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 3:14pm.

Wow, MS does not agree with a Church's stance on something. MS therfore will say the members can't be taken seriously and starts to call them names. What happened to the core beliefs the left alledged to hold as important. Like tolerance?

But don't worry, there are many kool-aid drinkers who will accept that Main Stream said it, so it must be true.

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Submitted by sdg on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 3:24pm.

As one with an open mind on this, I really wonder just why (if Dr. Carter's position would be so easy to refute) these folks don't just show up and ask or present some positions or reasoning that he can't refute?

I guess it's easier to toss out labels than to answer some of the problems with Darwinian macro-evolution.

Stop the Torture (of the American people)

Submitted by RealityChick on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:02pm.

I'm sorry I have to miss the creationism lecture at Heritage tonight, but am looking forward to its future talks, which I assume will include explaining why the Earth is flat, that the moon is made of cream cheese, and that men never landed on the moon.

Come on, folks, this is Fayette County! We can't brag about our schools being excellent if our churches are going to spew this nonsense. There is nothing "anti-Christian" about the process of evolution; it's about the origin of SPECIES, not the origin of LIFE. God gave us brains with the expectation that we use them -- don't disappoint Him.

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:12pm.

I discarded "young earth creationism" along with my Henry Morris and Duane Gish books some time in the late 70s.

It just isn't plausible, and, frankly, I am surprised that this church has invited this speaker.

Apparently, this fellow's organization, CMI, was originally connected with Ken Ham's outfit until there was a rift. (Kent Hovind, another of these screwballs, and his wife are currently doing time for tax fraud.) Here's a bit of a Wikipedia article on it:

CMI's history is closely linked with that of its daughter ministry in the United States, Answers In Genesis (AIG), founded by former Australian colleague Ken Ham. A legal and personal dispute broke out between the Australian and US arms of AIG in 2005, involving claims of unethical dealing in the handling of magazine subscriptions and autocratic leadership on Ham's part. AIG, in return, accused the leaders of the Australian ministry of "spiritual problems",[7] asking, in correspondence to the Australian CEO Carl Wieland, if he had issues with immorality, and enlisting a former enemy to exhume decades old allegations[8] of witchcraft and necrophilia against a CMI staffer (now Wieland's wife). A more involved analysis of the situation is described in an account in the Reports of the National Center for Science Education.[9]

In March 2006, the ministries split, and the offices in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa, "by unanimous vote of their respective Boards, rebranded" as CMI[10]. Only the US and UK offices still retain the AIG brand.

Oh boy!

Besides, some of the most compelling theistic arguments available today presuppose Big Bang cosmology.


"Puddleglum" by Weatherwax (one of the Muddlings).

Jeeves to the Rescue

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Submitted by sdg on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:44pm.

I've heard Dr. Carter before and his positions seem both scholarly and plausible.

What I have really respected about the man is how he will encourage questions from those who disagree and treat them with respect.

I'm sure he'd welcome comments from any in this thread who can show that his evidence/reasoning is flawed.

I'll now await the flaming personal attacks (not from Muddle or RC)that are likely to come on this controversial subject.

Maybe Hack and I will get to meet each other tonight!

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 5:38pm.

One must acknowledge that the speaker has sound credentials--a real science Ph.D. from a real university (Miami). And I'm glad to hear that he's the sort of fellow who likes the give and take of civil debate.

I can only guess what he'll have to say about the problems that confront Darwin's theory.

I've heard young earth creationists--Hovind, for instance--attempting to pick off, one by one, the various apparent evidences for an ancient earth and universe. The trouble, though, as I see it is that parsimony is achieved, or nearly so, among the relevant sciences on the supposition that the earth has been in place vastly longer than these folks wish to allow.

To take one example, I recently read a bit on the geology of the Rockies. It is hard to imagine how one may squeeze both the rise and erosion of the "Ancestral Rockies," which preceded the present mountain range and left its remains on the present slopes, into the "creation science" model. Indeed, there is evidence of a mountain range that existed prior to the ancestral range, so that there is a succession of three, with erosion presently working on the third. What does one say to such evidence if working from the young earth view? Challenge the evidence or whatever suppositions render it as evidential, and thus deny that there were prior ranges? Or does one admit the evidence and try to pack the uplifts and subsequent erosions of mountains into the few millenia permitted on an ultra-literal reading of Genesis? Is it logically possible? Well, sure. Is it plausible?. It seems not--especially when there is a competing model that
explains the relevant observations with elegance.

In my opinion, the trouble comes of approaching Genesis as though it is intended as "God's history book of the universe," as Ken Ham likes to put it.

"Puddleglum" by Weatherwax (one of the Muddlings).

Jeeves to the Rescue

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