Logsdon: newspapers should be boxed, not thrown

Fri, 03/13/2009 - 3:29pm
By: John Munford

Mayor thinks papers should pay for receptacles attached to mailboxes

Peachtree City Mayor Harold Logsdon wants the city to consider requiring all newspapers to be delivered in special receptacles instead of being thrown in driveways.

Logsdon, speaking at last week’s city council retreat, said he sometimes sees driveways in his neighborhood with three, four or five newspapers, magazines or other distributed items.

“I don’t think its an unreasonable thing,” Logsdon said.

City Attorney Ted Meeker said he would have to research the matter further, but he recalled one city that tried years ago to eliminate driveway distribution of all printed materials but it was overturned on freedom of speech grounds.

If the newspapers land in city rights-of-way, however, it could be “actionable under our litter ordinance,” Meeker said.

City Clerk Betsy Tyler noted that the city has been operating under the theory that due to freedom of speech requirements the city couldn’t tell companies not to throw publications in residents’ driveways.

“But you can write to the newspaper owner and ask them not to throw and they have to comply,” Tyler said.

Councilman Don Haddix said the best way to address the problem is to deal with residents who fail to remove publications from their driveway.

Many mailboxes don’t have room underneath for a newspaper receptacle to be placed below the mailbox itself, Haddix noted.

“We need to do something about people who don’t pick theirs up,” Haddix said.

Acting Developmental Services Director David Rast said the U.S. Postal Service allows for newspaper receptacles to be mounted on existing mailboxes is certain requirements are met.

Haddix noted that one resident in his neighborhood routinely leaves her papers at the end of her driveway, so his neighbors routinely stack them up.

“We need something to deal with people like that,” Haddix said.

Councilman Steve Boone questioned whether or not newspaper carriers would stop at each residence to put the paper in a receptacle.

Logsdon replied that he has lived in four different towns, all of which required a newspaper receptacle to be used.

During a break in the retreat, Logsdon told The Citizen that he envisioned newspapers paying for the receptacles instead of city residents.

Logsdon suggested the matter be discussed by council perhaps at a workshop session in the future.

In 1999, the Georgia Supreme Court struck down an ordinance in the city of Sylvania that forbid “any written instrument” to be delivered to homes.

Noting freedom of speech liberties, the court’s opinion noted that Sylvania’s ordinance was “not narrowly tailored to serve the city’s desire to protect its aesthetic beauty and prevent litter.”

The Sylvania ordinance allowed mail or hand delivery of papers, but the court deemed that to be “prohibitively expensive.”

The Sylvania law also allowed papers to be placed on doorknobs or in mailbox hanging devices, but the court determined it would impose “unreasonable regulations on the place and manner of distribution in violation of the first amendment,” according to the opinion.

The court’s opinion also noted that the city could require the publisher to retrieve papers that residents don’t pick up in a timely manner or even prosecute the publisher for papers found littering streets or drainage ditches.

The court also held that residents who fail to pick up litter in their own yards could also be punished by the city.

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Spear Road Guy's picture
Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 9:35pm.

Get a life people!!! For Pete's sake I can't believe the whiners who can't pick up a newspaper from their driveway.

Don't any of you have neighbors or friends who can pick up your papers when you're out of town??? Try to get to know some people who live next door how about it. Geeesh.

Vote Republican

Submitted by UrKidding on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 9:50pm.

The point of having a post office box is so that the neighbors don't need to collect my mail. I know my neighbors very well but should they have to pick up my newspapers because I'm out of town? I think you are looking at this one sided. Can I not opt out as I read on-line? My newspapers end up in the recycle bin and it's not my neighbors or friends responsibility to keep up the appearance that I'm home.

Submitted by Dondol on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 10:53am.

Just post a small sign on you mail-box post that states
"No Free Papers Please". I believe that they sell them at the hardware store. Problem solved!

Obama's weapon of Choice!

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 9:57pm.

I don't get it??? Stretch your legs and get the blasted paper!!!

There used to be a time when people did neighborly things for each other. Sounds like you're one of those keep to yourself guys.

Who knows you might find a buy one get one free dinner coupon in the paper. Take your neighbor out to dinner.

Vote Republican

Submitted by UrKidding on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 10:09pm.

So you'll pay my mortgage too? That's the neighborly think right? Sorry couldn't help myself. I do like the buy one get one free.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 9:39pm.

I would love to get the Citizen in my driveway. Instead, I get the Fayette Neighbor - a decent paper, but would prefer the Citizen. I can just as easily read it online although that makes it a little harder to take to the doctor's office (gotta have something to read to pass away the hours spent in the doctors office).

Submitted by h2otom on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 4:22pm.

I have called the paper and told them not to throw papers on my drive, I travel,and do not want to advertise my absence,,,I get home,and what do I see,,,several papers on my drive.
I read the paper on line, there is no need to waist paper.
Putting a box under the mail box, the money the city council will give up, 100 % pay raise, will most likely pay for this dumb idea...
The city council members need to give back 100% of the pay they voted for themseves a few years ago, including the 100% pay raise that goes into effect soon..........its the right thing to do.....

Submitted by ptc537 on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 1:35pm.

For once I agree with Mayor Logsdon. He is finally proposing something that would be of a benefit for us. We travel frequently and do not wish to advertise that we are away by having papers littering our yard or driveway. We purposely chose not to subscribe to any home delivery and over the past several years we have contacted all the local newspapers numerous times to request they not throw their free papers in our yard/driveway. However, they still continue to do it. Invariably, when we return there will be something thrown in our yard and often it is dated with in days of when we left Sad We have asked our neighbors to pick up anything that they see laying in our yard while we are away but it is not their responsibility to police up our yard after this indiscriminate "littering". We do feel like it is littering! We did not ask for it and do not want it.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 10:38am.

You know, the first thing a dictator does to perserve his rule is shut down the press.

I do not think anyone, not even for a moment, would believe Mayor Logsdon would be trying to impose such restrictions if the newspapers had glowing reports on him every week.

Shut down the press before the November election? It would not work anyway.

Submitted by cdl305 on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 2:00pm.

Give me a break Steve - what an idiotic assault! If I as a citizen ran around the city and dropped yesterday's news in the driveway, I would promptly receive a fine from code enforcement. Of course, that would be only after I paid my solicitors license to do this deed. I pick this up out of my driveway, out of my street, out of the gutter before it gets washed down during the rain - no this needs to stop! I do not think it is to much to ask if I want it and if I do, put it where it does not become litter. I fault the mayor for his back room deals, for his complete lack of courage to make tough decisions, but his trash talk is legit.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 9:40pm.

Don't you think Steve Brown was kidding??? You sound like you could use the exercise picking up those papers!!! It's gonna help with your stress levels.

You people crack me up!!!

Vote Republican

Submitted by ptcmom678 on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 8:04am.

1) Local papers are feeling the lousy economy also and have no money to pay for paper boxes, but need the delivery numbers.
2) Are there not Homeowners Associations and neighborly peer pressure that can deal with this rather than papers or the city?
3) Would it not be better to deal with the city's budget woes rather than worrying about papers in driveways?
4) I look on my driveway paper pickup as a little extra exercise on the way to the trashcan. Are Peachtree City residents really so lazy that they can't pick up a paper or two? Maybe even nab the neighbor's papers while putting the trash can out?

I really hope this was a two second comment of Harold's, but the above article seems to suggest 15-20 minutes was taken up with this gunk. CAN THE CITY COUNCIL FOCUS ON THE MOUNTAINS RATHER THAN THE MOLEHILLS?!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by Gilly Walker on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 8:48pm.

Is there a way we can box and throw Harold?

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 9:16pm.

Makes just as much sense... Whats next cerfew or having to obtain a permit to come outside... "Liberty dies with thunderous applause." Queen Amidala.....BLESS

Submitted by wheeljc on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 2:28pm.

As if the AJC -- like many other print publications -- doesn't have enough challenges to stay afloat, just wonder what their comment might be to this brain cramp?? Do our elected officials NEVER THINK OF THE PEOPLE THEY SERVE -- including newspapers; the potential costs of their wondering thoughts; or how sophomoric they appear when the share those wondering thoughts in public? Or, could it be that the elected official is attempting to share PTC citizen's tax dollars with attorneys as they fight and lose a FREE SPEECH court challenge? Is it too much to ask elected officials to learn and comprehend the term "prohibitively expensive"?

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 2:14pm.

The citizen is the primary way PTC citizens learn about the comings and goings of PTC. Also, it is where we learn about the failings of Mayor Logsdon. I think this is just a very creative plot by the Mayor to silence the media. Boxing the paper will dramatically increase the payroll expenses of the Citizen. I believe that it is the Mayors's hope that these expenses will put the paper out of business or at the very least, reduce its circulation and then the people of PTC won't know had bad Logsdon is screwing us.

Submitted by PTC Observer on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 12:36pm.

on the important things, please!

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 10:37am.

Let's hope the aphorism about all people getting the government they deserve is so much hot air. With Haddix and Harold afoot, we must have been very, very notty.

What tools. And to think of how we laughed at Clayton County.


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Submitted by inquiringminds on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 10:27pm.

doesn't Harold Logsdon have anything better to do with his time - like work on the PTC budget? He "envisions" the newspapers paying for the boxes? Wake up Logsdon - that's ridiculous. Newspapers are having a hard enough time right now staying in business. Any homeowner who does not wish to receive the free papers simply has to call and ask to be removed from that paper's delivery route.
I appreciate the free newspaper. Thanks, Cal!

Submitted by nepotism on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 10:51pm.

Shows you how twisted this city is. Layoff a bunch of people, then start privatizing everything, but wait, did you see that old newspaper in that elderly persons driveway on Hip Pocket? Something has to be done. I don't know why I went home that way, I guess it's because that night I was drinking myself to oblivion at Taco Mac after the City Council Meeting and must of got turned around. lol. City Council needs to spend their time on the important things like the "BIG PICTURE" and not these stupid little pet projects that mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things!

Submitted by Treading Water on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 7:14pm.

"the city could require the publisher to retrieve papers that residents don’t pick up in a timely manner or even prosecute the publisher for papers found littering streets or drainage ditches."


A few quick points:

1) How about privacy rights (I didn't ask for this trash to be thrown into my driveway every day, and as far as I can tell, there is no way to "unsubscribe"). This is no better than the irresponsible jerks that drive down our streets every day thowing beer bottles, cigarette packs and fast food bags into our yards.
2) LITTERING is supposed to be a ticketable offense. Why don't the local police pull these delivery people over and issue citations..?
3) What happened to going GREEN?? When Cal and the other publishers of these "newspapers" REALIZE that less than half of their delivered products are even removed from the plastic bag, much less read, they are KNOWINGLY wasting energy and resources. I have a feeling these folks must own a lot of stock in paper recycling companies somewhere.

I browse "The Citizen" online on a regular basis, but for 15+ years of living in Fayette County I have HATED the junk in my driveway every day (and ditch, and yard). Since advertising sales is what pays their bills, and "circulation" numbers help sell ads, tossing trash into people's driveways is in their own best interest, so they will not stop. They need to be able to tell potential advertisers that they have "daily circulation of xx,xxx". Never mind if anyone even looks at these publications. These publishers will never willingly stop UNLESS it gets too costly for them to do it anymore. This is why we have government - to stop companies from infringing on our rights and property. I do not live in PTC, but I applaud the Mayor for trying to do something about this.

Cal, I enjoy the online version or your rag, but please stop littering our yards! It is irresponsible. Why not hold YOURSELF and YOUR ORGANZIATION to the same standards and scrutiny you try to hold our elected officials.

While we're talking - a similar subject that irks most of us ona daily basis is JUNK MAIL. There is an organization call DO NOT MAIL that is trying to have JUNK MAIL outlawed or limited, and for those of us who are sick of wasting our time going through ridiculous direct mail every day, here is a link:


Eliminating the little hassles of everyday life so we have more time to focus on the BIG ISSUES!!

Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 9:55am.

I've read the USPS would be out of business..as you couldn't afford a 1st class stamp...

Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 4:55pm.

But it's hard to legislate around lazy homeowners. The multitude of newspapers can look ragged quick. I have a neighbor who sometimes finds his newspapers jammed into their mailbox. Smiling

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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 6:18pm.

I'm one of those people with a day-old soggy Citizen and Today in the driveway, because both newspapers are junk.

I come online once in a while to see if there is any news (rarely is there any new news) and to laugh at the so-called conservatives of our town.

When our town gets a real newspaper that isn't ultra-rightwing or ultra-liberal (AJC), then I'll be interested.

Until then, why not just save a tree and keep the whole thing online?

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 10:42am.

#8 ONP (meaning, you gently move it from your driveway to your recycling bin without it getting wet, yellowed from the sun or dirty) is 100% recoverable.

You can read your paper and save a tree too.

Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 9:57am.

And I like getting it in the print edition. IF you think a more liberal paper would go over well, then obviously you should start one. On the other hand, you could just bitch about this paper.

Me, I'm about as Libertarian as they get. Smiling

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Submitted by Mike King on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 4:33pm.

...within the office of Mayor here in good old Peachtree City. Having been challenged for office, His Honor is surely grasping at each and every bit of the mundane that he can to make headlines. A requirement to have a receptacle for The Citizen, I mean really. Would we also require another for the Today In Peachtree City that seems to support His Honor's every turn?

The next item perhaps on the Mayor's agenda will be to delay the pay increase for City Council until the economic crisis is over, like that will make a whole heck of a lot of difference. We all remember the raise approved by Council when His Honor elected to abstain from voting after pushing it forward for eighteen months. Solid leadership on his part, wouldn't you say?

One thing is for sure, and that would be that if Mayor Logsdon does run for reelection it will not be on the platform of experience in financial leadership.

Vote for Don Haddix for Mayor of Peachtree City come November.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 4:05pm.

Looks like The Citizen is getting under Mayor Harold's skin. Being a good Bush Republican, once he has used his office to mismanage financial affairs put into his trust, he's hellbent on starting a needless war.

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Submitted by SPQR on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 3:56pm.

Hopefully the mayor was just pondering possible solutions aloud and not actually proposing a course of action next to impossible to implement. On the other hand it does demonstrate a pattern of thinking we have observed for some time now!

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