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Conservatives on here seem to think that they are the only ones who do any work, with the truth being that they make the most noise doing it. I have been working since I was twelve, starting on farms and moving on to the construction industry, and guns and trucks are not new to me either. The solution of sitting on a pile of ammo with a decade's supply of crackers and sardines simply must have an alternative, logically speaking. Their agenda failed miserably, however their addiction to it is in full bloom, with the essential element of denial intact. The post by the law student is lameness at its zenith, and I can see how it appeals to the conservative base. Good luck with that attitude in the new economy is all I have to say.

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Ged Onlinelogically speaking. Their agenda failed miserably, however their addiction to it is in full bloom, with the essential element of denial intact. The post by the law student is lameness at its zenith, and I can see how it appeals to the conservative base. Good luck with that attitude in the new economy is all I have to say.

How is the marketing genius doing these days with all of your nonsensical postings? Got opinions? Anything that you would like to share with the rest of us?

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FULL OF IT.. I could run a fertilizer plant with the stuff you are shoveling..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

You might be able to post such BS in some places without someone calling it what it is. But, not here.

You would have everyone think that Republicans are the only party not currently in power who would be hoping a sitting president would fail. Well, strangely there happened to be a recent story that touched on that subject.

Just so happens there was a Fox/Opinions Dynamics poll done in August 2006 that asked 900 registered voters whether they wanted President Bush to fail. Here was the exact question asked:

"Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you want President Bush to succeed or not?"

Guess what the results were James??????

40% of Liberals wanted Bush to succeed, 51% wanted Bush to fail, 9% didn't know

90% of Repubs wanted him to succeed, 7% did not

63% of Independents wanted him to succeed, 34 % did not

Then in Sept of 2006 Former Clinton pollster Craig Charney wrote about this poll:

"When these Democrats say they want Bush to fail, might this mean that they simply reject what they see as his far-right religious and corporate agenda? If so, it’s hard to see why independents—hardly right-wing zealots—hope he succeeds by 63 percent to 34 percent. Sadly, much of the Democratic Party wants to see this president crash and burn. [...]

Yet if Bush does fail—for instance, if Iraq spirals into civil war or the economy slides into recession—then America is in trouble. Making progress on these key issues, like others facing the country, will require bipartisan solutions, not political finger-pointing.
Fascinating."

Kind of puts a dent in your righteous indignation doesn't it????? Don't break anything climbing down off your high horse.....

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See the problem with you're interpretation of the data from that poll is the fact that wording of the poll is very broad. Fail can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. I'd imagine not all 51% of liberals who voted in that poll meant fail by the definition you're giving. I wanted Bush to fail personally but not in the way you're talking about. I wanted his declaration of war against Iraq to not get passed by congress. I wanted his proposed tax cuts to fail. I wanted a lot of things on his agenda to fail, but that doesn't mean I wanted the country to fail as collateral. I'm almost positive that 51% of the liberals did not mean they wanted to entire country to collapse as a result of his failing by voting that they wanted him to fail.

And furthermore this poll was conducted by Fox News. Now I'm not going to argue with you as to whether they have a conservative bias or not, however I will state the fact that a majority of the people who follow Fox do have a conservative bias to some degree. Therefore someone who identifies them self as a liberal is less likely to partake in poll being conducted by a news outlet that has a mostly conservative fanbase unless they felt strongly one way or the other about their answer. That brings me to my next point about how this evidence is flawed.

The statistics given in the link only show the percentage of how the vote came out for liberals, independents and conservatives. It doesn't show how many people voted. So for all we know there could have been 600 liberals voting in it and 5000 conservatives. And if this were the case the liberals voting probably felt strongly about their opinion which is why they were voting. As a liberal myself if I saw a poll being conducted by Fox News asking if I wanted Bush to fail or not I wouldn't even bother answering it. That's just not a good question for a poll, for reasons I stated in my first paragraph. I'm sure many other liberals like myself felt the same way if they were presented with the option to partake in this poll or not.

All in all though I'm just rambling, but I guess to sum it up, the meaning of the word 'fail' in the poll could have a variety of meanings to any given voter, a liberal who doesn't feel strongly one way or the other is less likely to vote in a Fox News poll and on top of that the statistics don't show how many people voted, or the demographics of the voters or anything. You basically have no idea who the voters were for any of the political standings presented. This just isn't good evidence to warrant you're claim that democrats for sure want the term of an incumbent president of the opposing party to end with the country in shambles.

You would see that the word fail was not in the question. But, in the context of the poll question, if you don't want someone to succeed.....then, well what does that leave? The exact question was: Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you want President Bush to succeed or not?

The scale was:Yes, want him to succeed or No, do not want him to succeed

51% of Democrats polled said No, do not want him to succeed

You can read that however you want. I'm sure the people polled were tied up and forced to give some sort of answer or be killed. So no, it was not a multiple choice poll like you obviously yearn for.

Maybe FOX News will be interested in your input for structuring future poll questions? I doubt it though with you being a liberal. Maybe CNN has a poll you would like better?

Asking if you want him to succeed is the same thing as asking if you want him to fail. Both pertain to achieving goals. Both are very broad. Polls conducted by new agencies just aren't very good to begin with. I would have the same problem with a CNN poll asking if people wanted Obama to succeed (personally I would have voted no, I was McCain all the way in 2008) It would have been the same thing just the results for liberals and conservatives would have been flipped. I'm not really a fan of CNN or Fox though, both are too biased for my tastes.

Overall though, polls conducted by news networks are just not too reliable on figuring out public opinion due to the bias in the fan base every network will undoubtedly have. I'm trying to remember a polling institute I used to use back in high school debate that was pretty reliable. I would be curious to search for a similar poll, perhaps worded better and with more comprehensive analysis of the data collected

A liberal, who did not vote for Obama? And backed McCain? Somebody is going to get reported to a White House website over this....

I would be interested if you find a similar poll, more in line with what you are looking for. However, I reserve the right to pooh-pooh it like you did mine.

and I don't need no stinkin lawyer.. I'll signem now...
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