A Prophetic Speech

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A PROPHETIC 1944 SPEECH Norman Mattoon Thomas (1884 - 1968). Normy was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say, "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

He couldn't have called it better! Ironically the Republicans have also embraced this platform in recent years. Well Middle Class...It was nice while it lasted. Sad

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Submitted by Liferfrom65 on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 2:52pm.

Still have those unfortunatly.

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 12:16pm.

In the limited amount of history that is these United States, I'm more than sure that the Founding Fathers knew that change would occur in our development as nation Less than three hundred years of what is a constitutional plan in flux will adapt and amend to deal with all manner of change in technology and ideology. Western civilization looks to the Greeks and Romans as the definition of empire, but even they had moments of derision. And they were around twice as long as this Federation. "Civilized" societies are still trying to figure out what works as a form of governance and while we obviously still don't have what works, we have a good idea on what won't. It would appear we're morphing into some centrist middle of capitalist-socialist economy. While it, IMHO, is inevitable, no change has occured without extreme. I have no desire to see this in our country or world, but humans are what they are.

Submitted by USArmybrat on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 8:14am.

I read that speech years ago and it is so sad (and frustrating) that it was dead-on right! We have been taking steps for awhile, incrementally, toward this socialist state. Now, with these ridiculous stimulus packages, we've moved from small steps to leaps and bounds! It is so galling that the government thinks it can actually "create" jobs better with our money that we can with our businesses. But, I guess that really isn't their goal, to create jobs. It's to have the power over the money in this country. I can only imagine how disgusted and shocked our founding fathers would be if they could see us now!

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Submitted by dawn69 on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 11:06am.

I think, my friends, that you are right.

When I started blogging here on a regular basis, last October, I posted numerous times that Obama was the socialist trying to destroy the free market. I made many accusations against the man, all the while defending my candidate of choice as honorable and pious - because I respected McCain's service to our country.

Many times Sniffles, Diva, Mainstream, and others would call me out on these statements. I was instructed to 'get all the facts' and, in an attempt not to look like a moron, I did. The past 4 months I have been trying to educated myself a little better about politics and the like.

What I have found is that, like you've stated, we have been moving towards socialism for many decades and that 'socialist minded' politicians come from both parties. After all, McCain's stance during the election was that the government needed to buy up mortgages.

So, here I am, a little more knowledgeable, a little more educated, and so far what I have concluded is this: Obama is not the vehicle by which America will turn socialist, this has been coming for some time. Nor is he the equivalent of the anti-Christ, nor is he a messiah, nor is he a muslim radical....he's just another politician, another player in the game. Check mate.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 1:51pm.

As our society evolves, we are becoming ever more interdependent.

In the old days, you could go live out in the woods by yourself. Being alone, you were subject to no real rules, and nobody was bothering you. As people got to live closer to one another, rules had to emerge. The automobile brought on rules of the road, driver licensing, red lights, etc.

We need "more government" because we need more and more to work together. On balance, I think it's good, so long as the rules are enlightened. Without rules, we'd descend into chaos. Our financial markets are collapsing because of a lack of "government."

There is no point in ranting and raving against socialism. We need to accept that we have to work together.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 4:57pm.

I appreciate your analysis. Much as I might like to be self-sufficient and depend on no one for anything, as I contemplate that I realize the impossibility of such a wish. As our population moves closer and closer together, the rugged individualism of days of yore is rapidly disappearing. Those "powdered wig" types who beat their chests praising the government of yesterday are not in touch with reality. The challenge for us, as a nation, is to figure out how the electorate can exercise control over a rapidly changing system. If we don't, we run the risk of placing that control in the hands of those with some sort of non-public agenda. Keep the faith.

Democracy is NOT a spectator sport

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 11:18am.

I've come to the conclusion that the definition of the word "socialist", as defined by my buddies on the fringe right, is simply political shorthand for "anything not suggested or supported by George W. Bush".

Wanna do away with Bush-era excesses? That's socialism, buddy!

The fringe right seems to update their pejorative du jour every 2 decades or so. In the 60s, we had "damned Commies", in the 80s, we had "damned libruls" and nowadays we have "damned socialists". The fringe right always seems to have an innate need to damn someone.

The United States will always be overwhelmingly driven by capitalism and free enterprise. There will, however, be aspects of socialist programs interweaved throughout the government. Social Security is one such "socialist" program. You could make the argument that the entire Veterans Administration is one giant socialist program as well.

It would appear that health care is morphing into a quasi-socialist two-tier system. Look at education in America: everyone has a right to go to public school, and those that can afford it can go to private schools. Substitute "doctors" for "school" above and you'll see the future of medicine in America.

We live in interesting times.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Fri, 02/27/2009 - 11:34am.

This is the point I think I was trying to make, you're just a little more eloquent than I am. The realization needs to be made that we have been living a capitalist/socialist society. I agree that we will always be driven by free enterprise....I just can't imagine the American people tolerating anything less.

This is the point I tried to make last week when I referred to Glenn Beck. There seems to be a lot of frightening talk about anarchy and revolution. I just can't imagine any problems that would result in the American people resorting to such coup style tactics. We are FREE people and therefore should NEVER have to resort to such a state. Like David's mom has said: It's by the very act of being able to vehemently disagree with others that makes this country so great.

Thank you for being a formidable debating opponent. I truly respect you.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 7:47am.

The United States of America
July 4, 1776 - Jan 20, 2009
Rest in Peace

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 7:53am.

This all started well before Obama. He just got the power to accelerate our decline to socialism at a unprecedented rate.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 8:17am.

That's the point. barry promised "change", and all he has given and promised is more of the same at a much faster, unmanageable rate.

His purpose is to make America dependent on government in his 4-year term so that democrats can stay in power.

The United States of America
July 4, 1776 - Jan 20, 2009
Rest in Peace

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