PTC OK's new 54W light on 3-2 vote

Thu, 02/05/2009 - 8:56pm
By: The Citizen

DOT Atlanta office has final say on approval for signal

Peachtree City will apply for a new traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West to serve a new shopping center.

A vote of the City Council tonight was split 3-2 in favor of seeking the light, which would be located at Line Creek Drive in between existing lights at Planterra Way and MacDuff Parkway.

Voting for the motion were Mayor Harold Logsdon and council members Steve Boone and Cyndi Plunkett. Voting no were Don Haddix and Doug Sturbaum.

City Engineer David Borkowski noted that the traffic light "is not a done deal" because it must be approved by the Atlanta office of the Georgia Department of Transportation.

Several conditions were attached to the approval, including a requirement that the developer have the traffic lights in the corridor resynchronized, and the installation of a "loop" for traffic coming off Planterra Way and turning right onto Ga. Highway 54.

That loop will allow such traffic to be included as a turning movement as part of the signal's operation. Currently when traffic backs up in the morning drive time, cars often have difficulty turning right onto Hwy. 54, residents have said.

The city is also requiring that all costs incurred by the city's engineering department be paid for by the developer.

The light is being sought on behalf of Capital City Development which has city-approved plans to build a 175,000 sq. ft. shopping center on the south side of Hwy. 54 at Line Creek Drive.

The traffic light has previously been turned down twice by the local DOT office in Thomaston because the signal was deemed too close to the other ones at MacDuff Parkway and Planterra Way.

The development has been the source of some controversy because the City Council previously agreed to sell most of Line Creek Drive to CCD for a minimum of $500,000. Without ownership of the streets, CCD would not be able to build the larger-scale stores because of the city's setback rules.

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Submitted by Liferfrom65 on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 11:08am.

I sent an email to the mayor thanking him for nothing on the traffic light vote. He responded that I was the only one against it with my thanking him for it. Guess we're all idiots here.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 4:56pm.

Even a cursory knowledge of traffic planning and a glimpse of Coweta County’s new land use plan should have made this an easy “NO” vote.

Remember the traffic jams we used to have on Highway 54-West? Get ready, they are coming back with a vengeance. Truly, a pity.

Submitted by UrKidding on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 9:35pm.

So why don't you tell us why you are the swing vote? I haven't seen anything from her to tell us why she votes the way she does. At least we see quotes from Logsden and Haddix but nothing from you. Why did you vote "yes"??? You are the swing vote it appears so who's paying you??

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Submitted by JAFO 72 on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 11:52am.

You would think that someone who lives in Centennial would NOT want the light there. Hey Cindi, do you have plans of moving soon. Are you still secretly opposed to the extension of MacDuff, even though you ran on the extension and annexation vote. You, and the other two goons that voted for this redonkulous traffic light, obviously and honestly don't care what the citizens of this city want. It's written here on this newspaper. It has been voiced against at council meetings. Please don't give me the "Our hands are tied" routine, or sheepishly point you finger at the developer. The council and the dirty city lawyers wrote the language. If you can't read the legal speak, perhaps you are in the wrong line of work.

So, I'll repeat my question: Hey Cindi, do you have plans of moving soon? Your recent vote says that should.

BTW, don't ever smile and wave at me again as you drive down my street. Your neighbors know that you have sold us and the West End down the Line Creek. Maybe we should change your name to Judas.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

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Submitted by DarkMadam on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 5:38pm.

Are you aware that Ms. Plunkett was the one that put forth the vote in 2007 that doubled the income of the council members and the mayor that takes effect 01/01/10. That is a 100% pay increase. Must be nice.

Submitted by hwancb on Sat, 02/07/2009 - 11:48pm.

Spend more time developing a positive outlook like asking the City to move forward with the new road into Coweta County so we want have that traffic congestion on 54 and everyone will be better off, who knows they may not need a light if they did not have the traffic.

Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 02/07/2009 - 12:40pm.

They are being paid? No wonder people don't want to run for office.

Submitted by UrKidding on Sat, 02/07/2009 - 1:42pm.

Not saying someone's getting paid off rather those on council should be representing the citizens. And I've not seen any citizens supporting this light so why vote for it?

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 5:08pm.

I can't imagine an issue that was more clear than this one. The threesome needs to be voted out of existence!!!

We can kiss Peachtree City goodbye.

Vote Republican

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Submitted by borntorun on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 7:52pm.

Hey, Spear Road your answer to everything is vote Republican?

See if you can identify the Republican quoted below. Scary..very scary!

1. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

2. "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

3. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

4. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

5. "Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican."—declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001

6. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''—Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

7. "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense."—Washington, D.C., April 18, 2006

8. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

9. "I've heard he's been called Bush's poodle. He's bigger than that."—discussing former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, as quoted by the Sun newspaper, June 27, 2007

10. "And so, General, I want to thank you for your service. And I appreciate the fact that you really snatched defeat out of the jaws of those who are trying to defeat us in Iraq."—meeting with Army Gen. Ray Odierno, Washington, D.C., March 3, 2008

11. "We ought to make the pie higher."—South Carolina Republican debate, Feb. 15, 2000

12. "There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."—Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

13. "And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it."—speaking on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007

14. "We'll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called America will be the pacemakers."—Houston, Sept. 6, 2000

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17. "People say, 'How can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil?' You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

18. "Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."—CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000

19. "I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."—on the prospect of visiting Denmark, Washington, D.C., June 29, 2005

20. "I think it's really important for this great state of baseball to reach out to people of all walks of life to make sure that the sport is inclusive. The best way to do it is to convince little kids how to—the beauty of playing baseball."—Washington, D.C., Feb. 13, 2006

21. "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

22. "You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war president. No president wants to be a war president, but I am one."—Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006

23. "There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, 'I don't want you to let me down again.' "—Boston, Oct. 3, 2000

24. "They misunderestimated me."—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

25. "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."—Washington, D.C., May 12, 2000

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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 7:21pm.

You can't vote them out. They're Republicans. It's now law in PTC and Georgia that you are only allowed to vote Republican, even if the Republican has a pitchfork and horns.

Plunkett thinks that Centennial residents want the light, MacDuff to go through, etc., and she's probably right, but they'll regret it as soon as it happens.

Centennial residents will trade their peace and quiet for a ten-minute cut from their commutes.


The problem with the residents of PTC is that they will gladly vote against their best interests every single time if they see a little (R) next to a candidate's name.

God Himself could run opposite a Republican in this town, and He wouldn't stand a chance.

If a candidate is a Republican and says, "I want to destroy this town," he'll win.

I'm not exaggerating. It's true.

Most people will gladly vote against their family's best interest.

Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 5:50pm.

a traffic signal on a State Highway?

Submitted by mthom5436 on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 10:28am.

What about the cart path issue? I thought they were supposed to vote on how to handle that last night. Did they?

Also, I think its time to get the tar and feathers out.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 10:27am.

My dear Doctor Muddle, would you please educate the good people of the City Council as to the fallacy of equating "shall not oppose" as the logical equivalent of "shall actively endorse"?

Many thanks,

Submitted by snotrocket on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 5:58am.

The development has been the source of some controversy because the City Council previously agreed to sell most of Line Creek Drive to CCD for a minimum of $500,000. Without ownership of the streets, CCD would not be able to build the larger-scale stores because of the city's setback rules

I am more worried about loss of the Nature Trail than the red light

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 10:59am.

The road segments do not belong to CCD yet. The light has to be approved and he has to build within 5 years or they revert to PTC.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by mthom5436 on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 11:01am.

Can you think of creative ways to delay this thing for that long?

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 11:26am.

Sorry, but no. Brought up every issue possible that caused it to last this long to resolve.

Now it is up to GDOT. They will do their traffic studies and make a decision. Public input might influence them, but I do not know how much. I don't know if they will base it on it on the idea the development is going to be built, regardless, or the development will only be built if the light is granted.

Out of my hands to do anything in that regard now.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by zoes on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 11:47am.

Is there a way to contact the GDOT on this subject and bypass the Council to let them know the citizens don't want this light? I believe our voices can still be heard!


"Never love anything that can't love you back."

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 5:10pm.

Everyone take a stand where Logsdon, Boone and Plunkett have failed us. Complain loudly to GDOT!!! We don't want traffic jams!!!

Vote Republican

Submitted by mthom5436 on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 11:39am.

What would be the appropriate channel for local residents to voice our opinions to the DOT. DO you have the contact info for us to send letters to a specific person?

At this point I think we should just do everthing we can to kick and scream and slow this down. Everyday the developer doesn't make progress is lost money for him. It sounds like this is going to happen no matter what but that doesn't mean it has to be a pleasant experience for the developers.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 3:09pm.

Here is the best I am aware of.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 5:11am.

it needs to be for PTC not Fayetteville.
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Submitted by hwancb on Sat, 02/07/2009 - 11:42pm.

The same people that are on their soap box complaining about traffic congestion in PTC are the same ones that are against the extension of cross town into Coweta. They should be championing a plan to get this done which would relieve the traffic on 54 .

Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 1:12am.

their vote--Logson,Boone and their stooge, vote breaker Plunkett would vote on this and anything else that hurts Peachtree City. Those of you who voted these blobs in deserve them. I hope you wake up before there is nothing left to protect. Wonder what was promised to these three? It makes no difference what the residents of Peachtree City want--these three will give the developers the gold out of your teeth if they can get away with it--and, hey, so far they have gotten away with it. Remember these fine upstanding citizens when you are stuck in this traffic jam or when a terrible accident occurs as it will. By then these three will probably be gone from the area or in at least one case, so solidly entrenched on their seat at a local tavern that they will not care--so what's new?

Submitted by Bonkers on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 6:18am.

You have terribly underestimated how many people it would have taken to not have that extra light!
If the 250,000 people in the Fayette County area had personally attended and asked for NO LIGHT, it would still have made no difference.
If President Obama had attended and spoke against it, it would have been voted in 3-2!

If The Pope and all of the Cardinals had attended....
If every lawyer in Metro Atlanta had said they wouldn't sue the town, it would still....

What we have here is a failure to was said to Paul Newman once.

We don't want no more stinkin lights in that death trap called Lennox Junction!

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 10:44pm.

These three incompetent dolts should be ashamed. They truly should be. It's high time for the taxpaying citizens of Peachtree City to make sure their elected leaders remember who they work for. I advocate doing whatever is necessary to make sure they get the point.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 10:05pm.

Gosh I can hardly believe that the 3 worthless knuckleheads voted for the developer ....Wink, Wink....

Oh, go ahead....tell us how much McBULLY paid you ...go on you are amongst ummm...friends(NOT) can tell us....

Submitted by Arf on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 9:48pm.

Absolutely incredible! Not only no need for the light, it will cause further jams in an already congested area. How many citizen comments have spoken against this light? I have not heard anyone from anywhere in town agree that another light at this location is reasonable. And damn the 3/2 votes. I'm sick of government big and small ramming things down our throats.

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Submitted by cmc865 on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 11:03pm.

Why dont you speak up at the council meetings. I sat there in the meeting and NONE of you said a word... The two councilmen who voted against it did not say a word. Put your courage in your voice not on this tabloid.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 11:37pm.

Got the T-shirt. They don't care. I can hardly wait until all 1% of the people who show up at city elections vote those 3 worthless fools out.

Submitted by Fight 4 right on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 11:32pm.

I had my say at the meeting! Why should I stick around to hear the outcome of a vote that is already decided on?

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 11:05pm.

Been there, done that. You don't seem to understand: the three on the council DO NOT CARE what the citizens think and want.

Submitted by Fight 4 right on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 10:46pm.

TO ESTABLISH SECTION 1006D SPECIAL USE PERMITS that paved the way for ordinance 944--the Line Creek Retail project...
The reason for the 3/2 vote is that the city states in that ordinance that they will not oppose the light.
In essence, the vote was a set-up.

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 10:54pm.

"Will not oppose" does not confer on the city an obligation or responsibility to actively apply for a new light.

Submitted by Fight 4 right on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 11:19pm.

The ordinance states the developer must apply--but they will not oppose. The ordinance # is 944 if you care to read it for yourself.

Submitted by Arf on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 6:46am.

This article and other information from past discussions clearly says that "the city will apply" for the light, even though the deal on the table just says that the city will "not oppose" it.

"Peachtree City will apply for a new traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West to serve a new shopping center."

The city is taking an active role in pursuing the light instead the passive one of "if you can get the light approved, we won't stand in your way." McMurrain has applied to DOT twice and has been turned down twice. Having Peachtree City actually send the application might give it more clout and credibility, so that's the new scheme which this developer and the 3 knuckleheads are up to. This is the information that has been published and passed along otherwise to the citizens. If it is incorrect, let that be known.

I have heard no support for this traffic light from citizens, but there has been a lot (a lot) of vocal opposition. Point is, they don't listen and obviously don't care. Time and again these three have voted for things that make no good sense for the people who live in this town and drive it everyday. I would really like to hear what the rationale is for voting for this. It really is obvious that somebody is getting something behind the scenes, because there is no logic otherwise.

And...I have been to council meetings and voiced my opinions. Most opposing opinions to council are either squelched or overtalked. Listening to citizens in any forum gets only lip service and doublespeak.

And...I drive this intersection two or three times every day because I live there. To the blogger who suggested that it doesn't take much time to get through the intersection, you're wrong. I drive from Fayetteville many evenings and my commute is doubled by the extra twenty minutes that it takes getting through the mess at 5:30 or 6 o'clock, just from the Wyndham to the Walmart side. I've also heard many people comment that they don't go to Walmart right after work because "you can't get there."

Email the Georgia DOT and vote against this light.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 6:55am.

Even a weak, inexperienced candidate can take the 3-2 votes and this traffic light and demonize all that and Cindy too. Only question is who will it be.

Of course you have to be careful because if too many people run for the same seat the opposition is split and the incumbent could win or force a runoff.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 6:35am.

Didn't Doug and the early bird mayoral candidate vote illegally if the ordinance says they "will not oppose"?
And how do you get language like that in an ordinance anyway? Does the city have a lawyer at these meetings?

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 11:13am.

No. This is legal language. Feds use it all the time saying they will not oppose meaning they are neutral.

It does not nor ever has meant will support. That gets into the argument of intent, which was covered in the agreement by saying if any disagreement on meaning the strict wording of the GC would apply, which simply says Council can grant an SUP, nothing about having to support and promote development in any way.

The agreement stated ONLY CCD could put in the application per the terms of the agreement and PTC would not oppose THEIR application.

Go ask a lawyer if you do not agree. I have asked more than one.

And where did the language come from? Lawyers from both sides were at the contract meeting to construct the agree. Obviously neither Doug or I were there.

This light application fell outside the Development Agreement, so not bound by the terms thereof to start.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 8:18am.

Believe it or not I actually understand that and a small amount of research confirms it.

Naturally it doesn't answer the question why the other 3 - especially Cyndi would vote for it unless they have some outside agreement with the developer to do so. That's the only thing that makes sense and I have never thought any of them would be open to that sort of thing.

Making a yes vote on that light is not in the best interests of PTC, only in the best interests of one developer who as I have stated before is way behind the market for what he is trying to do over there. Aldi and Big Lots are the best we are going to see in what will become a bak-owned shopping center and you don't need a traffic light for that.

I guess I can understand your frustration and why you felt you had to announce so early for mayor.

Again, the key to it is going to the candidates against Boone and Plunkett - they are vulnerable, but we don't need a Brown, Tennant, Fritz, Rapson, Weed, etc. type person in there.

Submitted by TomCat on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 6:49pm.

Hold on a minute RWM. While I agree with many of your postings...I would love an Aldi in PTC. Many aspects of the store make it a perfect fit for us. I could take the golfcart instead of driving to Fayetteville. The last thing we need is another traffic light on 54W, but an Aldi there...or somewhere else would be great. If only in the baby Kroger spot....oh we can dream.

"The Cat is loose...."

Submitted by mysteryman on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 6:55pm.

It could be located next to the new Goodwill store complete with its own marta stop out front on hwy 74....BLESS

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 11:09pm.

We'll see an upcoming coffee get-together at the new SS location when it opens for biz in PTC? Shocked

Submitted by baroombrawl on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 4:23am.

Is this the next coffee location?
If so there is one about five miles west of PTC now.

Some of those people who meet for "coffee," frequent there I would imagine. Losers.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 6:31am.

It would appear old $'s personality has split yet again, guess he didn't like BPR out IDing him.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 8:29am.

I responded to this character's first git Git posting. Then rolled my eyes at the next one thinking this gent did seem rather familiar. And then after reading the third one I suspected our old buddy Dollar. Hutcharoo..... I think you beat us all to the punch.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 11:12am.

I agree with a lot of what you said.

Why the 3 voted for it you will have to ask them. Whatever the reason the outcome is damaging to PTC, in my view.

Thank you for understanding my frustration. That coupled with almost daily questioning of if I was going to run and when I would declare made it reasonable to get it done now.

Now they are focused on the Council Seats.

Are others going to run? Some have contacted me asking questions as they consider running for the Council Seats. I know of a few more thinking about running for Council Seats via contacts. I doubt all of them will run.

Are Logsdon, Boone and Plunkett going to run? I do not know. You have to ask them.

I agree whole heartedly, who gets those seats is critical to PTC.

While not needing to be in lock step, a more unified Council, in harmony with PTC, on central precepts, goals and thinking, is essential, especially in these economic times.

Don Haddix
PTC Councilman
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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 7:28pm.

I feel sorry for PTC conservatives because they ALWAYS vote Republican (you know, Lodgsden, Plunkett, etc.) and then turn around and whine about who they put in office.

Must suck.

Maybe the Democrats are bums, but at least with them you know what you're getting. With Republicans they say they'll save money, but then they take your money.

I think a lot of you conservatives need to grow up.

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