There are 4-5 couples waiting to adopt for every child currently available.

Every child is a wanted child (by someone).

Glad you're finally using the word responsibility. It's a good start for you.

Stop the Torture (of the American people)

There are 500,000 children in state custody awaiting adoption. That's where we found our son. More than half of them end up in foster situations and group homes due to lack of adoptive parents. Making up statistics for children like my son to try and aid your argument helps
none off the kids in state custody.

I have never had an abortion. Have never asked for food stamps, or welfare of any kind. When one of my children fell on bad times, the rest of the family helped. We took care of her children so she could go away to train for a job that would insure she would always be able to care for her children. We saw there was food in the house, clothes for their backs and the bills got paid. She worked hard and graduated at the top of her class. She is now retired, her two children are well-educated and hold great jobs. We never felt the government should take care of them. It was a family matter. Too many families go on their merry way, never assisting but have no problem with the government supporting them and theirs.

My feeling is that abortion should not be used as birth control. But I also believe there are many children who are brought into the world with no one to take care of them. Too many bleeding hearts march and protest, saying a fetus is a living being and should have a chance; yet when the protesting and marching are over they do nothing. How many of them step up and adopt these unwanted children? I have assisted many times with these children and know what they go through. It is one thing to point out that if Obama had been aborted he would not be here today to be president of our country. The difference is he had a loving family to raise him. What about the children wh are born crack babies, live with parents that care nothing about them and often spend their lives filled with sexual, physical and mental abuse. We have free before school care,free lunches, free after school care and still they go home to these horrible situations. Short of going into the homes, which does not happen all that often, there is nothing more we, as citizens, can do. All those who shout that abortion is wrong should also see how wrong it is for children to suffer these hurts and indignities.

I participate in an event every year where there is a 'party' for couples/singles to visit with children who are eligible for adoption. There are so many children who reach the age of 18 without ever having a 'family' of their own. You can't believe/understand the responsibility I have shouldered GLADLY during my lifetime. Cheap shot.

For being involved (as am I) in events to aid in adoption.

As to the "Cheap shot" reference in your post
Such was not my intent as I'm SURE that your comment

When those who want to take this choice from a woman - let them be willing to accept the responsibility for raising a precious child.

was not a cheap shot at the dozens of non killing minded folks that I know who have, in fact, adopted a child from a crisis pregnancy.

Keep up the good work.

Stop the Torture (of the American people)

I noticed that you didn't refute the scientific fact, that the
DNA within a pre-born Obama at fertilization is exactly the same DNA he has today. No genetic change has taken place - just normal growth that time and nutrition provides us human beings.

At the stage pictured in the video, Obama was a (genetically) complete,distinct, and whole human being.

Refute that.

BTW-the post was meant to congratulate him on his achievement.

I guess your name calling works with the left-wing crowd, but I'll not resort to name calling and respect your agnosticism. After all-- it literally means "without knowledge."

Your next scientific "fact" will be your first, my Catholic fundie friend.

You are correct, with regard the same DNA, but just like an acorn shares the exact same DNA as a mighty oak tree, the two are separate and distinct entities that share a common end result, just as a fetus that has not achieved viability is in an altogether different state of existance than that of a fully formed human, your assertation to the contrary that Obama was somehow "whole" notwithstanding.

In any event, congratulations on your complete and utter lack of class in using Obama's inauguration as nothing more than a crude, crass attempt to advance your fundamentalist agenda. You serve your ex-Hitler Youth Pope well.

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The more liberals that abort their babies, the better. Knock yourselves out and become abortion machines.

JUST DON'T USE MY TAX DOLLARS TO DO IT.

The end result will be fewer stupid liberals running around.

My,My what would you do without the Hitler names to toss out.

Guess you'd have to come up with some real science and facts to argue your case. (You still haven't refuted any of them- BTW)

I read Muddle's post some time ago where he took your oak tree argument apart leaf by leaf so try something better.

To address the viability point you brought out, it would seem to be your weakest argument. Taken to it's logical conclusion, a 23-25 week old would be viable if the proper medical care were available.

But another 23-25 week premature infant would not be viable if born in a 3rd world country due to lack of modern medical care.

Thus, by your own standard, viability/humanity (and it seems the very right to live) would depend upon where you were born.

That's a repulsive definition of humanity to most of us.

You seem to be mightily confused by basic science concepts. I can't say I'm surprised.

You have confused the concept of "fetal viability" with "neonatal mortality".

"fetal viability" is a very simple concept. It is the amount of time elapsed since conception to the point where a fetus is capable of surviving outside the uterus, the consensus being 24 weeks. External conditions do not apply. A fetus in Bangladesh will reach viability at 24 weeks just like one in the USA. Lack of adequate hospital care will not preclude fetal development.

"neonatal mortality" addresses post-delivery survivability specifically concerning the issue of inclusion or exclusion of in-hospital care (or lack thereof). HERE is where "3rd world hospital conditions" may impact the mortality rate.

Separate and distinct concepts.

Your attempt to comingle the concepts indicates a breathtaking lack of comprehension with regard to basic biological and medical concepts.

In the future, I'll thank you in advance not to ascribe your flawed ignorance of science to me or "my standards". May I suggest you avoid scientific discussions altogether, as basic biology concepts appear to be "above your pay grade". You seem to have a greater comfort level with regurgitating pre-packaged far-right Catholic extremist talking points.

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I don't think you are missing the argument as much as you are dodging it.

You've made viability your standard of defining which humans are worthy of legal protection from someone determined to end their life.

My point is that you have a moving target for your definition.

Go back far enough in time and there is almost no "viability" for babies except full-term.

Go back to 1973 and it's considered about 28 weeks.
Now it's about 23 weeks.
With ectogenesis technology about 7-10 years away, viability could drop well below 17-19 weeks.

People have intrinsic value (and therefore rights)because they are human not because of any developmental stage they have (or have not currently obtained).

Any other definition of our humanity has, historically, led to massive human abuse.

Wrapping yourself in a cloak of intellectualism and a semantic argument that contributes nothing to the point of discussion. You have a breathtaking coldness in your calculations of humanity. It is in interesting creed that you have. To not care or be callous about members of humanity until the reach the age of responsibility, and then be overly accomodating and willing to support members of humanity once it makes irresponsibile decisions past the age of responsibility. But you stick with the na-na-na-na I am smarter than you schtick. You wear the asininity well.

You may have missed it, Wedge, but there's a new president in town. I stood and cheered when he said in his inaugural address and I quote "We will restore science to its rightful place..."

The era of faith-based "science" is over.

Back to objective standards.

Fairplayer can moan and screech and babble with his/her fringe right psuedoscience where a clump of cells is "essentially equal" to a fully developed human being. Heck, he/she might even believe it!

BELIEF DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.

There's a new sheriff in town, it's name is the "Scientific Method".

You are more than welcome to continue to splutter indignantly, I notice you seem to think that "responsibility" is a perfectly adequate synonym for "viability", to the detriment of your argument.

My "semantic argument", as you call it, has EVERYTHING to do with the discussion....however, it can and does weaken YOUR particular argument (and fairplayer's as well), so you choose to denigrate it and dismiss it out of hand without offering a science-based rebuttal. That is, of course, your right, but please don't expect me to take your seriously if you are unable or unwilling to offer a plausible science-based counterargument in your own behalf!
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Will real science be allowed to trump the global warming psuedo science cult too?

That'd be a heckuva lot more interesting to debate than rehashing abortion for the 100th time. Silly anti-science anti-abotion fundies are almost as dogmatic as shiny-eyed Fair Tax frauds.
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I think your eyes are failing from watching your own avatar for far too long. It's beginning to affect your rationale.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

How did you get around the Citizen's IP blocking scheme?
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or was it bonkers, $dollar, $age, d.$mith, or nitpicker$ ??

How dare you associate me with the criminally insane.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

My bad. Please accept my humble apology.

Thanks.

Now let the real name calling begin. I'M BACK!

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

If basmati (RIP) ever heard you say that, I'm sure he'd put you over his knee and spank you.

I miss that guy from time to time. He sure was one of a kind.

You don't miss him. He is still here. Like many here, only the names have changed.

This has been my only name change. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

I wasn't making fun of you. Some of the afore mentioned have very similar writing styles.

One in particular has the same CRAZY with a capital C writing style.

Of course, I like to think that I use a little more fact, logic and rationale than some other$ here. It's good to be back.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

Got to get back to work. Have a good night.

"Baaaby, my sweet baaaaby. You're the one."

All jokes aside, I figured since the race is over and it is now 2009, the handle no longer fit.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

The eyes are generally fused until 21 weeks and in the past that was the measure of viability.

It is generally accepted now that it is 23 weeks.

Just telling you as a side note - it really doesn't change the point you are making.

With just a few more blogs and some unimaginable political maneuverings, we may one day see a world where a government forces women to give birth to their date rapist's baby. Keep hope alive. And right after the birth, we can rail on the mom for accepting WIC.

But I do.

You’re dodging the question (again).

If you concede all rape cases to the pro-aborts, you’re still killing an innocent human life in the remaining 99% of this procedure.

If one of our fellow vets had his arms and legs blown off in combat, I’d like to think that you’d still consider he/she as a human life worthy of protection and civil rights.

But for a fellow human being who has not been permitted the time to fully grow arms and legs, you’ll condone their killing and dismemberment.

My generation trained solders to understand that they fought to protect the innocent. I think they still train that way, but you were awol.

Wise up and try to be consistent.

Stop the Torture (of the American people)

Like their being 4 to 5 people waiting to adopt each child awaiting adoptive parents, like my son was. Purely pulled from betwixt your glutes. I'm far from awol. I like to consider myself very, very available? Where have you been all of my blogging life?

Again, if it's murder and baby killing that my view allows, why has no one stopped it? How simple is that? Either we as a nation have allowed babies to be murdered under Carter, Reagan, Ford, GHWB, GWB, and Clinton, OR (and a big OR it is): You are invoking visions of killing babies like Israeli morter shells to strengthen your stance against a woman's right under the law to obtain safe and legal abortions. Has nothing to do with veterans and blown off body parts.

Wow 'diva', that's a bit of a leap don't you think? I have yet to see legislation from the anti-choice group that says in cases of rape and incest - too freaking bad you have to have the baby.

Maybe you can just speak to the facts so you can make a cogent argument. For example: What about after compiling a rape kit we require that the hospital performs a DNC and/or gives the morning after pill?

I am also unaware of the requirement that women who have children must take WIC or any other government assistance.

Keep the discussion rational, will you?

I take it you feel there are situations where the anti choice crowd feels it is okay to "kill innocent babies?" Is that rational? Depending on how the innocent baby ends up in the womb determines if it can be "murdered?" I believe I'll have an easier time accepting the laws of our nation as they are than you or anyone else will have attempting to roll them back by calling folks "baby killers." I really have no need to argue this point at all. So I think I'll stop and go have a drink instead. Cheers.

Oh my 'diva'. Are you sure you haven't already been drinking some of that good old MD 20-20 or some Colt 45?
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You said: "I take it you feel there are situations where the anti choice crowd feels it is okay to "kill innocent babies?" Is that rational?
(( You are using quotations. Who said that? Where do you come up with this crap? ))

Depending on how the innocent baby ends up in the womb determines if it can be "murdered?"
((Again, you are using quotations. Who said that? Are you capable of reading my post?))

I believe I'll have an easier time accepting the laws of our nation as they are than you or anyone else will have attempting to roll them back by calling folks "baby killers." ((Again with the quotes! Who in the world are you quoting? Where do you come up with such fictitious diatribe?))

I really have no need to argue this point at all. So I think I'll stop and go have a drink instead. Cheers."
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Wow. Deep. Ha! Actually, your reply made no sense whatsoever. Check your weave - I think it may be too tight. Why am I not surprised at your incoherent post?

I was making the point that you are using extreme and fictitious arguments that would never influence anyone of a differing position to consider your opinions. As a pro-choice supporter, I long ago learned it's people like you who make wildly ridiculous arguments:

"....Submitted by diva on Tue, 01/20/2009 - 9:47pm.... we may one day see a world where a government forces women to give birth to their date rapist's baby. ... And right after the birth, we can rail on the mom for accepting WIC.")

that prevent rational arguments from being heard. Argue your position on the merits - people opposed to choice are not crazy - just misinformed.

I see you are still just as ignorant as ever. Yes, please, by all means, drink and drink plenty. Perhaps you can sterilize yourself before you procreate.

how this blogging thing works. Comments may be drawn from anywhere in the relevant blogs. I forget sometimes that some need to be escorted through the more abstract thoughts and points. Here we go, and then I'm off of the pro-anti abortion thing:

SDG brings up killing innocent babies here.

JAFO 72 brings up taxpayers paying to kill babies here.

Joanne suggests we're going to hell for killing babies here.

And here's where preciousstahr was more concerned about mother's who chose to have their babies possibly receiving welfare than she was concerned about their being victims of a fire.

Jmart, I introduce you to your allies.

The Global Gag Rule was upheld in a jury trial on Boston Legal so I guess President Obama's legal team will reconsider on this one.

You're happy about the ending of one of Bush's policies. By the way you have written your post, it appears to me that you are in favor of state/federally sponsored/funded abortion. In essence you want the tax payers to kill babies. So much for your "freedom of choice' argument.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

I'm a big fan of women not facing a wire hanger abortion in this modern age. How must you feel knowing that GW Bush, after two Supreme Court Justice appointments, still allowed "baby killing", in your words, to remain legal. I guess today was a really tuff day for you with all that Obama talk and rolling back of policies you, I'm sure, felt were so intrinsically reasonable. You'll get through this NOTA. You'll get through this.

I'm guessing you're new to the whole cynicism thing, but I'll explain. And, please don’t attempt to call this a "back peddle". I said earlier that “I believe in pro-choice (read as for women), however, it would not be my choice.” There was also the line in there that referred to “No Uterus = No opinion”. That’s my stance. It is the ultimate decision of the one whom has to carry, or dispose of, said child. I figured you’d be smart enough to get that.

Here’s an idea. If we could make people just a tad more responsible during their sexual activities, you would not have unplanned pregnancies. I know, I know. Responsibility for the left equates to putting blame of what the left does on the right. We’re not talking about rape here. If we really were, then you could call me a monster.

Here’s another idea: Let the female politicians make the laws regarding this matter. You could thereby eliminate at least 50% of the boneheads running the show.

As far as the Sarah Palin rape kit nonsense goes, I will continue to assume that you haven’t picked up a newspaper, read a webpage (other than this one), opened a book that didn’t contain a hammer and sickle on the cover, or educated yourself on how to run a small town economy. Next time I’ll try to use smaller words for you.

Now, I’m off to create my exit plan. Maybe I’ll join some small Inuit tribe, so I can legally club baby seals and hunt norwhals with a spear.

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

who chastised me for my 'compost making' comment?

You see, This fellow thinks we are supporting "killing babies." He/she threw their hat in the ring of public discourse. I just choose to step on that hat. Cool?

Cheers

Cool?

Come on bro. Box the girl in the ring with you. Not the family member with one on each knee pushing two Eddie Bauer double strollers. But you're always cool to me.

By the way, I'm hoping you find a legitimate reason to buy that knew kick butt FORD RAPTOR. Then, maybe, one day, I can ride in it.

Well bro...it ain't a Raptor. It's a Rhino. With a gun rack to boot so we can take pot shots at coyotes.

"...you want the tax payers to kill babies."

It's not a baby, doofus.

It is a baby. It's a child. You are wrong on this one.

zygote = the cell formed by the union of two gametes, especially a fertilized ovum before cleavage.

..or you can say "fetus" if you like, but "baby" or "child" .... now, just how do you diaper a gamete?

I hope on your way to Hell, God shows all those babies and what they could have become.

...since I'm not a bible believin'-god/jeebus fearin' christian... non-believers, like me, don't end up in your made-up, fairy-tale after life.

I'm curious, though, as to where those holier than thou pedophile priests end up after they die, since you seem to have all the answers about this "hell" place. Is there a special place for them in your fairy tale? Or are they suddenly forgiven on their deathbed and able to sit on god/jeebus' lap once they pass through the pearly gates? Do tell, JoAnne, since you have all the answers for us.

you are an idiot. You think that "with all you Bible,Priest (and I am Catholic) holiness" abortion is ok. I am sorry that you may have made a bad dicesion last night and did not use protection. God only gives you what you he thinks you can handle. So if you (or the other person - depends on who got knock up) becomes "with child", it happen NOW do something you probably have never done before and TAKE RESPONSIBILTY for your actions. Again, you are an IDIOT. I really hope you are not part of the Fayette County Board of Edcation. Just sounds like you are.

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

OOHHHHH SNAPPPPP!!! Quick! Apologize now and maybe The Lord will cancel your judgment express one way reservation.

Has a lot to do with the name "Diva". And your response. Just proving that stupid people should not speak - it only makes you look dumber.....................

But then you trot this gift horse in front of me and dare me to ride it! Here goes:

Diva's first ever sequential post of another blogger's words in their entirety! where ever will I put all of the gift horses you've given me tonight alone, Joanne. You're more fun than 3 am with the evil "Dennise Conners"

Jo Anne #1, in "My answer is"

My answer is.....
Submitted by Jo Anne on Tue, 01/20/2009 - 11:17pm.

"you are an idiot. You think that "with all you Bible,Priest (and I am Catholic) holiness" abortion is ok. I am sorry that you may have made a bad dicesion last night and did not use protection. God only gives you what you he thinks you can handle. So if you (or the other person - depends on who got knock up) becomes "with child", it happen NOW do something you probably have never done before and TAKE RESPONSIBILTY for your actions. Again, you are an IDIOT. I really hope you are not part of the Fayette County Board of Edcation. Just sounds like you are."

And, Jo Anne #2, starring in "You are stupid too"

You are stupid too
Submitted by Jo Anne on Tue, 01/20/2009 - 11:19pm.

Has a lot to do with the name "Diva". And your response. Just proving that stupid people should not speak - it only makes you look dumber.....................

But as for Sarcasm, I am the one to beat. I will always take you down. Try me. Tomorrow. I'm going to bed now.

BTW, I like the "starring" part. I always wanted to be an actress. Now I am famous. But you spelled my name wrong. And as for gift horses. I only have dogs.

I own you. As always.

Good Night,

Jo Anne

So, late term abortions aren't babies. Kinda harkens me back to the incident of a nurse taking care of a "not baby" after a late term abortion. You know the story, right? The baby "not a baby" was alive for 45 minutes afterwards, and the nurse held it while it took its last breath. This is the same story that involved the nurses testimony to then Senator Obama. Didn't he just shrug it off? There's your new POTUS.
Hey, I believe in the mantra, "No uterus = No opinion". I believe in Pro-choice, but it's not the choice I would make. I'm kinda glad my mother didn't take that route. Aren't you?

“Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity is forever”

And now you're pro choice on the choice to , as you say, "kill babies?" ummm.. uhhh. I'm not sayin.... I'm just sayin.... Know what I'm sayin???

Had to steal that...sorry

And killing off undesirable babies / fetuses becomes the norm. Is there some way we can sift through the masses and pull out the ones that perhaps might find the cure for AIDS, Cancer, or perhaps the one that might just save us from our Global Warming Crisis? I think it may be too late though... I think you guys already got the one whose purpose was to invent the perpetual motion machine that would eliminate the need to burn fossil fuels.

It must be an inconsequential mass of tissue, similar to a cyst. If it isn't called a baby, then it isn't alive. We cannot kill it if it isn't alive. Your logic works on so many different levels. What else can we rename?

Instead of layoffs, they are reassignments to the public sector
Instead of trash, it is excess material of varying value.

END the murder of babies? Can you tell me? Why? Why did they leave it up to the next guys like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo?
I'm curious. Would McCain have been the guy to finally end the murder of babies in our country that survived GHW Bush, Ronald Reagan's two terms, and GW Bush's two terms? I want to play nice, I'm just not sure why this "baby killing" argument keeps orbiting the blogs, yet "conservative" leadership has allowed it all the same.

It obviously was not a very powerful executive branch. War powers have been ceded by the congress for presidents of both parties. Ceded in the most craven of ways. Congress has the constitutional power to declare war. Congress continues to roll to the executive branch. There is not the political will to overturn the bad case law represented by RvW. This should have been a political issue, not a constitutional issue. One decided by thr states, not the feds.

I reacted to Main Stream's comment about it isn't a baby. The pro-abortion crowd has great marketing. Pro abortion has become pro choice. A baby in utero has become a fetus and then a cluster of cells. It attempts to explain away an abortion as a procedure that does not terminate a life. This life, although dependent on the mother, is genetically different, and has a beating heart by the time that most abortions occur. I think there would be a political consensus if it was a political process as it should have been.

Be upfront and maybe I would respect the argument. Say that you are okay with killing a baby in utero, that you understand that it is a life that is ending. We are okay with capital punishment. why don't we be honest about this?

Our new President is Black and White. How in the hell can he be our First Black President. I did not vote for him but I believe he will do well. BUT I am so tired of this Black thing. He is Bi-racial.

And did anyone notice how the supporters that did go to Washington, sat on the monuments and statues, like a bunch of ignorant stupids with no morals or standards. It was really disgusting. I really hope that other countries don't think that we just let the village idiots out of their cages. They were idiots. I would be ashamed to I was there and acted like that. Those people were low class A@@H#####. I can't wait til something goes wrong, and it will. Who are they gonna blame then.

I was also offended by the "minister's" prayer at the end. Black man this, Brown Man that, Red man something (?), Yellow man will be mellow but the he said the white man needs to realize. So the preacher was praying for everyone BUT the white man. What a piece of dirt?

So is anyone out there sad because now we now (as White) feel discriminated because we are white. Slavery was not my fault. I do not own slaves.

Again, I think Obama may be fine but I hate his supporters. They are disrespectful and ignorant.

Our new President is Black and White. How in the hell can he be our First Black President.

Not many people have ever identified Obama as 'white'. Americans have been identified by their skin color. Europeans were 'white'. Those from Africa were 'black'. JoAnne - there was even a law on the books of Louisiana which determined how much 'black blood' made you 'black. (The One Drop law). Obama's appearance in these United States dictate that he is 'black'. I know that now many Americans want to identify with him and claim his as their own - but he is an African-American whose mother was 'white'. Obama's grandparents raised an African-American grandchild. No one has stated that they raised a 'white' grandchild. Yes, he is bi-racial. There are very few 'blacks' in our country whose ancestors have been here for five or six generations who do not have a 'bi-racial' background. We're approaching an era when we will be called Americans - regardless of our color. I will not take your statement regarding the 'hate' you feel for his supporters seriously - for I'm sure that you know someone who voted for Obama - and you don't 'hate' them. No one is expecting Obama to correct all the wrongs that we are dealing with today. He can't do it alone - and if he fails, America fails. We just can't/won't let that happen! I am encouraged that the Obama administration is saying that they are open (and anxious) to receive ideas, strategies for solutions. I am encouraged that Republicans are answering that by providing strategies and being part of the solution. I believe in partisanship - for hopefully it provides better solutions to vexing problems. When we (I'm including myself) learn to disagree respectfully - we will be on the way to regaining our leadership at home and abroad. We have many shared hopes. We have American hopes.

"I did not vote for him"

No way! Say it ain't so!!!

And you "can't wait for something to go wrong?" Wow! How did your guy EVER LOSE? I mean, with reasoned support like yours, how did he LOSE? HOW? Thanks so much for the laughs. You guys kill me

ps. "...sat on the monuments and statues, like a bunch of ignorant stupids with no morals or standards"

Jo Anne, I think it's genetic for SOME PEOPLE. But we aren't racists are we?

"So the preacher was praying for everyone BUT the white man. What a piece of dirt?"

Umm.. Jo Anne? Are you asking us if he's dirt? No, I think he's an old guy locked in a civil right's struggle, and he's probably still fixated on these two New Year's stories that played very prominently in the black community. They both involve young, unarmed black men being shot by the police. The first young man, shot in the back while prone, died. BART Officer shoots Oscar Grant in the back at 1:27 (WARNING: GRAPHIC VIOLENCE AND LANGUAGE).

OR possibly this case of an unarmed man shot in his own driveway for driving his own car which an officer, somehow, thought was stolen.Not that he's right. But I don't think he's dirt. Just stuck in the past.

I support Obama. Colin Powell supports Obama. The majority of Americans support Obama. The majority of the global population supports Obama. You "HATE" Obama supporters. Oh, yeah, and you think Mainstream's going to hell. Can you spell C O N U N D R U M ?

After all your explaining, Yea, Hell Yea, I still say he's DIRT. Because most of the Whites in Amercia now NEVER owned slaves. Why is it my fault, personally? I am just trying to make a living. As for Rev, he was thinking of the PAST - he needs to get over it. As does ever other person with a problem out there.

BTW, you DIVA, I am 1/16 part Cherokee Indian, who do think got really taken. My people were here first.

I think I could get into trouble by saying what I really want to say (boat).

As for CONUNDRUM? I am pretty sure you spelled it correctly. You asked.

I'm 2/65ths titanium after an unfortunate power tool accident. Guess we have something in common. Didn't get the (boat) part though.

Cheers, and don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful

It's not because you are beatiful. I've never even saw you just heard you. Enough for me.

You could be green with pink polka dots and three eyes and five ears. Still you would not look as funny as you sound.

What if Pastor Rick Warren had prayed for the "black man" to do the right thing???

When Lowery actually had the unmitigated gall to pray for the "white man" to do the right thing they lost me.

This country will never be healed as long as people like Rev. lowery and John Lewis keep reinventing new ways to play the race card. What a joke they both are.!!!

Just when people of all races are coming together for the good of our country those 2 knuckleheads drive a wedge in between us. Thankfully they are both old.....may their racism and race baiting beliefs die with them.

I guess now it's potitically correct to play the race card.

I was so pissed when I heard those foolish, ignorant words come out of Rev Lowery's mouth! I could not believe that he would take a great moment and make it an attack on whites. In a country 80% white, how in the hell does he think Barack Obama won? What was he thinking? I truly think younger blood is needed. Some of our civil rights warriors are helplessly and hopelessly stuck in the past. This was a blown opportunity, and it was much more embarrassing than a few boos. It was down right insulting to Americans as a whole. I'm hoping for an apology; not that it will help. But it would at least show thoughtfulness after the fact. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

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It was like enjoying some good macadamia nut cookies and then having them get washed down with some chunky soured warm milk.

Don't Worry Joanne....The libs will be heartbroken when they don't get their fat checks to bail them out. I agree with the shamelessness of Lowery's prayer. Everything is the white man's fault.

I agree on the bi-racial thing, too. In 25 years Obama would be considered "the white guy".

Reverend Lowery was in the Civil Rights Movement. He, and those who lived through it, experienced death threats, fire hoses, police attack dogs and police who not only wouldn't protect them but, in some instances, were Members of the same "secret society" that engaged in state-sanctioned, domestic terrorism. He, like many people of his generation, speaks from the pain of that experience. I don't like it but I don't begrudge him that.

Having said that, today would not have been possible if those were the only people to whom President Obama directed his message. Frankly, it seemed to me that he all but ignored them. The people who chose Barack Obama didn't have that cross to bear -- to right previous wrongs. They were people who benefitted from those who bore those struggles but his main supporters don't have a frame of reference for "Whites Only" signs and "sundown warnings". Consequently, they don't filter everything through that pain and speak in more positive, forward-thinking terms.

I would suggest that you shouldn't hate all Obama supporters. Like those who cling to old hatreds (black and white), the ones who cannot help but speak from old pain are getting older. When they are no longer there to demand an apology for a wound that really cannot be healed by any earthly being, we will see significant change in race relations.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

I remember a crowd of people outside Blair House chanting "Gore, get out of Cheney's house." This was upsetting to the Gore's children but the police said they were unable to stop a lawful demonstration.
The story of the missing 'W,s' is an urban myth and has been refuted many times. But lies and misrepresentation come easily to some people.
Barbra Streisand,s rendition of "Don't rain on my parade" sums up my attitude right now. This is a time of hope and renewal for the great majority of American's. Get with the program or stand aside. Bush (worst president ever) is finally gone.

"The crowd packed on the west side of the Capitol grounds serenaded President Bush in mocking fashion when he took to the inaugural stage alongside Vice President Dick Cheney.

'Nah nah nah nah, hey hey, good-bye,' a section of the crowd chanted."

AAAHHHHAAHAAAHHHAAAAAHHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

I love that! Dem's can be so creative.

We watched the inauguration at Manuel's Tavern in Atlanta. The place was packed, standing room only, big screen t.v.'s everywhere...alot of boo's and hisses when Bush and Cheney appeared on the screen. But the best part was just being in a place filled with like-minded people, at Manuel's... very uplifting and emotional for all of us there.

Cheers to you Fred, Lindsey, Richard, and moc... most of us are full of hope right now and I wish you would join us. If not, well, I'll just have to keep my gloves on then.

I hope President Obama succeeds because ALL of America needs him to..
as far as joining you.. Cold day in hell..so yeah keep your gloves on..
I am too much of a thinker to be an Ideologue..

One thing I do admire about President Obama is his mannerisms and class. I sure hope the rest of his followers eventually follow his example. What a bunch of classless buffoons.

Hmmmm... I wonder if Bush's staff vandalized and desecrated the White House offices as they departed like Clinton's goons did 8 years ago.

How freaking shameful.

What the dems did to the White House when clinton left office was disgraceful. I just watched and interview with Obama's staff. They said that nothing had been vandalized. Class always shows itself in simple manners.

I hope clinton got the bill for the computers that were damaged by his staff. They did mention that in the news again tonight.

I hope clinton got the bill for the computers that were damaged by his staff

The bill was just added to our our national debt. It kind of reminds me of the time when former Fayette County Commissioner Harold Bost stiffed us taxpayers with that $100,000 special election after abandoning his post after he got re-elected. But fear not....BOLO and company are going to make it up to us by going after our current bunch of questionable county leaders.

Remember: We The People always git left holding the bag.

Ya'll have to know that the "Clinton staff vandalized the White House" story has been thoroughly covered, and the costs of such "vandalism," including carpet subjected to normal wear, is a sad tradition that even occurred on the transition from Bush 41 to Clinton. How could you two think this was true only of the Clinton White House? Oh, it's because those that bring it up NEVER mention that it happens every transition from one White House to the next. Here is an excerpt from The Government Accounting Office GAO report.

"The accounting office said similar pranks were reported in prior transitions, including the one from Mr. Bush's father to Mr. Clinton in 1993. ''We were unable to conclude,'' it said, ''whether the 2001 transition was worse than previous ones."

Here's the boring report.

I'm just surprised that in 2009 this 2001 story gets a rise out of anyone... Hope to see you guys soon.

Cheers

There always seems to be a justification for bad behavior. Okay...Let's compare reports. Pranks are one thing.....but vandalism?

I guess it would then be okay to compare the cost of Bush's inauguration cost to that of Obama's?

I'll give it to ya man. You guys certainly do now how to out-do those uncreative Republicans.

Who now is crying and sniveling and saying how much he cares about this county? He cares so much he paired up with Dunn/done and other people we voted out and said no to many times. Typical...weasel politician....thinks we have all forgotten how he stiffed us.

About Fayette County he would reimburse us the $100,000 plus interest at 8% compounded daily.

Mr. Bost where is our money???