FreeSpeech for 12-31-08

Tue, 12/30/2008 - 3:36pm
By: The Citizen

To the person questioning why the police officers are able to take their patrol cars home, the answer is simple. When they had to leave it at the PD for it to be repaired, they had no where to park all the patrol cars. It would have cost the city MORE money to find a place to store all the patrol cars. As for complaining about the wear and tear on the cars, a few extra miles a day won’t put that much more wear and tear on these cars. Can you really complain about this when these officers put their life on the line to protect the citizens of Peachtree City on a daily basis? Can you complain when they (as well as a few other professions) should be getting paid better for the job they do? They put their lives on the line every in a second to protect you, but you feel free to toss them to the wolves. It is frustrating to read the Free Speech and see people always complaining about the police officers. Do you even stop to think about what they risk on a daily basis? All are sons or daughters, some are husbands or wives and others are fathers or mothers. Another thing, how many holidays does your job allow for you to stay at home? Last time I checked, these officers report to work 24/7, 365 days a year. They don’t get off Christmas, just because they worked Thanksgiving. Yes, some may get to take off, but most are up at 6 a.m. getting ready to go and protect you. Would you like it if they didn’t have to report to work certain days of the year, allowing criminals to run the streets? You find it so easy to tear these officers apart, but when was the last time you looked at one and said thank you?

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Policemen/women taking their patrol cars home every night? How appalling. Or should I say, “How wonderful”? To the person who expressed their displeasure with this, need I remind you what a welcome sight a patrol car is to a neighborhood? The sight of a police vehicle is an instant deterrent to any potential criminal. I hope a law enforcement agent moves next to me, and parks their car in their driveway. I don’t think there is a better security system made that can beat the sight of a police car. So ask yourself if you would mind dealing with a break-in of your home in order to save a few taxpayers’ dollars spent on the cost of fuel and wear and tear on that police car parked in a nearby driveway. Not to mention the fact these men and women risk their lives so your life can be free of harm’s way. No, I am not a police officer. I am a citizen thankful for the police and the wonderful job they do for my family. Find something better to complain about and leave the saving of lives to the professionals.

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Earlier this year, a reader questioned why the PTC police department allowed officers to take patrol cars home after their shift. This does, of course, cause the city to incur the cost of fuel and wear and tear on the patrol cars. Not to mention the fact that the majority of the rest of us have to pay our own commuting expenses. I have to echo this sentiment, especially in light of the city having to cut back services and jobs to help balance the budget. What really troubles me is watching one of the patrol cars being operated outside Fayette County in a manner which, if it was a regular citizen, would result in numerous citations being issued to the driver. Around 7 p.m. on Dec. 22, I observed patrol car P-14 driving in Coweta County towards Fayette County (obviously the officer must have been heading to duty). The driver of the car pulled out onto Lower Fayetteville Road in front of me without coming to a complete stop at the intersection, then proceeded to make three turns without using a turn signal before reaching the Peachtree City limits. The driver then proceeded to drive down Dividend Drive at well over the 30 mph posted limit (with no blue lights on). Come on, Chief Skip: if you are going to allow the officers to take the patrol cars home, at least have them operate them in a manner required of the rest of us citizens. If I had been a PTC officer and witnessed this behavior in the city limits, I would have been issuing enough citations to make my quota for the month.

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In addition to the Free Speech article last week, I also witnessed an incident involving one of PTC’s finest. I was behind a patrol car (could have been P14 or P34) from Crosstown Road north on the Parkway to Ga. Highway 54 and on to the Wal-Mart store. There were no turn signals involved for lane changing or for left turns or right turns. Woe and behold, when I pulled alongside the patrol car, a female officer was talking on the cell phone. Just goes to show you that people do not have a clue of what they are doing when driving and talking on the cellphone. Yeah, you think you might, but you don’t.

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’Tis the season to vent! To all the “Fayette County pace cars” who insist on driving 45-50 mph in the left lane on Ga. Highway 74 to and from I-85, please move aside so that those of us who actually have a place we need to be can get there. If you’re turning left three miles up the road, it is not necessary to ride the left lane the entire way there. I appreciate your efforts at speed control along that stretch, but isn’t that what the police and sheriff are paid to do? Speaking of the Tyrone Police Department, why is it that they only patrol the southside of Tyrone between Peachtree City and Tyrone? I drive Hwy. 74 five days a week, and every single time I see a Tyrone police car, it is either parked in the median or hidden on a turnoff road behind a stand of trees on the stretch between PTC and Tyrone. It would appear to me that the TPD is targeting residents of Peachtree City. Why else wouldn’t they patrol the stretch of highway between Tyrone and Fairburn? Before anyone suggests that I am bitter about getting a ticket, that is not the case. I have not been written a ticket since 1987. I’m just making an observation. Another observation. Thank you, Georgia DOT, for finally opening the Peachtree City to Senoia racetrack. Speed limit on the new stretch of Hwy. 74 South is still 45 mph, not 60-70 as some Coweta County residents would think. I guess those ugly white walls that replaced all the trees are actually going to be used in the same manner as the walls at Talladega, Daytona, Bristol and the rest. Maybe we should paint PEACHTREE CITY in big black letters on them, a la the tracks of NASCAR. I’m surprised Ga. DOT didn’t insist on retaining cable and mesh at the top of the wall.

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To the person who was upset that a couple in Wal-Mart complained about getting a ticket for going 10 miles over the speed limit, I am sorry this was so unsettling to you. Someone breaks the law and has to face the consequences. What a crazy idea. We should do away with laws and let everyone run amok. Would that ease your uneasy feeling? Laws are made to protect every citizen. It does not matter what time of the year or what the state of the economy is, laws are to be followed. And law breakers must pay for their deeds. Or would you approve of me stealing a new LCD TV, since it is Christmas time and the economy has hit me hard and I really want this TV? Follow the laws, don’t break the rules and you won’t have to worry about the police hiding in a quiet residential area waiting to nab you. I’ve yet to see anyone get a ticket for following the laws of the land.

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A few days before Christmas, we delivered some packages to a few residents at [a mobile home park]. Upon entering one of the homes, we noticed a very strong gas smell. We encouraged the family to leave the residence, and we went to the administration office on the property. Unfortunately, the ladies that run the office were not worried about the gas at all. They told us it would be a while until their maintenance manager came back to the office, and they would let him know then. We drove around the property while on the phone with Atlanta Gas Light to find the maintenance manager. He was very helpful and a very kind man. There was a gas leak, and it was very dangerous for the family of six to be in their home. It’s too bad the women that run the office couldn’t have been so kind and understanding. If someone would have blown up, would it have been different? Neither of the ladies in the office offered to help; they told us it wasn’t necessary to call the gas company, and it really wasn’t their concern nor ours. So no thanks to them, the family was taken care of and back in their home within a few hours. Everyone deserves to be safe in their own homes, and I would hate to think that something could have happened to that family.

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These are tough economic times. It is time to close the Kedron Swimming Pool and the PTC Tennis Center. They are not truly open to public. Close them and let the users subsidize them. The pool hours are being shortened from 10-9, which means 9-8, because the lifeguards supposedly need an hour to clean up. This means that basically the few hours for open public swimming are reduced to near nothing. That means that the pool is just open for a few swim teams and not really to the public. The Tennis Center is the same way. Close them both and save taxpayer money.

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Lynn Westmoreland — what has he done? Well, can’t think of a thing. And yet he will be getting, along with the rest of Congress, almost a $5,000 increase in pay. Pretty nice when you can vote yourself a pay raise when all you ever do is mail out laminated news clippings to children telling them to keep working hard in school. Maybe Lynn should use his raise money for tuition to finish college and learn the other seven commandments.

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Good Samaritans are everywhere in Peachtree City. I have been remiss in writing this from long ago. Early one morning on my way to work at a nearby school, my front car tire went totally flat to the point of riding on a rim. I limped into the Shell station on Georgian Park thinking it was “full service” for some reason. After realizing it wasn’t, I placed the AAA call and began my wait. A man pumping gas asked if he could help. No thanks, AAA on the way. He told me to cancel the call and he’d take my tire to nearby Goodyear for repair. He removed the tire from my car, put it in his SUV, put me in the front seat and off we went. He waited with me, took me back, and placed the tire back on my car. Was I nuts for trusting him? Maybe. But sometimes you just know a Good Sam and a sweet, genuine spirit when you hear it, and I heard it in his voice that morning. By the way, he works for Delta and he had just participated in an early morning walk with students at his child’s elementary school. Yeah, he was one of the good guys.

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So I’m standing in a long line at the Kedron Kroger (far left register) at 5 p.m. on Dec. 23 (possibly a busier day than Dec. 24 from the looks of the entire store). I’m behind a middle-aged blonde lady (as am I also) who has just unloaded her cart onto the conveyer belt while still waiting her turn. She glances back at me. I recall being deep in thought about the upcoming holidays and some of the sadness associated with it for me personally. Whatever the reason — perhaps it was the mere look on my face or a faraway look in my eyes — she simply said, “Why don’t you allow me to unload your cart?” And before I could say, “Oh, no, thank you, I can do it myself,” she quickly unloaded my 10 or so items and said, “There, now it’s done.” I’ll never know who she was or exactly why she did it, but I’ve never had anything like that happen to me. It made me so much more aware that it’s up to each of us to “look out” for the other one. Just a little thing that meant everything.

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We simply have to change our way of thinking in this country if we are to survive economically. The word CEO seems to denote someone who is entitled to more than other Americans. The state lottery CEO was just handed a $150,000 bonus of the working people’s money for doing absolutely nothing. That would pay the salary of at least four working people or the tuition for several college students. Heaven only knows what his salary is on top of that. The position of CEO should be abolished entirely in corporate America. We were the most prosperous nation on earth before this handout for nothing system got started.

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It has now been verified that the banks that received taxpayers’ money to bail them out of the mess their top executives created with their excessive bonuses and compensation have awarded those same top executives more than $1.6 billion in more bonuses and compensation from our tax money. It will probably be much more when the final figures are in. That amount has been distributed among about 100 executives. That much money would pay the annual salary for 40,000 ordinary working people. These greedy thieves have been stealing the working man’s money by the millions for so long they actually think they deserve it. No man that ever lived is worth a million dollars a year, much less the multi-million dollars they are stealing out of our pockets. When is this disgusting situation going to be brought to a halt so the average American can earn a living instead of giving it all to a few who have devised a way to steal it legally from the people who actually work for it?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 6:45am.

the holidays are over, get to work!!!!
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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 8:18am.

I had forgotten how early 5 a.m. really is . . .but I'm here bright eyed and bushy tailed. . .well maybe let's just say I'm here!

Hope everyone had a safe and great holiday season.

Submitted by Civic on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 4:41pm.

I am a lifeguard and To the ones that think that the lifeguards need an hour to clean up it is very much so needed. There is a list of health codes the have to be followed or the pool could very easy be shut down or even pose a health risk to the people that use the pool.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 9:55pm.

The wife and kid are still in London, they come home Friday evening, they're having a great time. How are you doing?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Tug13 on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 10:03pm.

I'm hanging in there. Smiling How are you? Glad Mrs. Hutch and Hutchette are having a great time!

Tug Smiling

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 6:29pm.

Here's our Tigers marching in the 2009 New Years Day Parade in London England. The Tigers start at the 3:30 mark, don't miss the dancing Tuba's. The hutchette is the first clarinet you see. God, I'm glad they're home safe.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 6:36pm.

Video 1

Video 2 - hutch's original post. (Go to the middle of the video to see the Tigers.)

Go Tigers!!!!
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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 7:03pm.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Tug13 on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:43pm.

I know you're happy your wife and daughter are home safe!
I watched the video, I tried to spot Hutchette. Smiling
Tigers did great!

Tug Smiling

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Submitted by SpinDr on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 9:18pm.

To the authors of the first two entries - if you read my message and the related messages more closely you will find that the primary complaint is NOT the police officers taking the patrol cars home, but their conduct while in possession of the patrol cars and off duty.

Your point of having the police cars serve as a deterrent when seen in the neighborhood - I would agree, but dont you think that since the cars are paid for by taxpayers of Peachtree City that such deterrent deserves to be seen in our city or at least our county - and not in Coweta or other counties?

My comment merely questioned Chief Skip as to why the off duty officers are permitted to operate the cars in an irresponsible or illegal manner. Had the officers not been permitted to take the cars home, there probably would not even be an issue.

Submitted by enotsm19 on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 11:40pm.

I actually thought that your point was to slam an officer behind their back. Where you go wrong is actually posing your question to chief Clark. The decision was made before he was ever chosen for the position of Chief. To everybody complaining about it costing more money, the reason they went with this decision was because the old department needed fixed. They couldn't find a temporary PD that had enough space for all the officers who lived outside the city to leave their cars, which posed a problem. It would have cost the tax payers more money to store these vehicles then it does for them to take them home.

You also say that officers who live outside Peachtree City shouldn't be able to take their vehicles home. Well, have you ever noticed how much it cost to live in Peachtree City? Most officers in the department do not make enough to buy a house in the city. I will agree that the officer should live withing a 15 mile radius in order to take the vehicle home. Also their are many officers on call, more then you are aware of. Then you need to add in the court dates that they attend because people who break the law decide they don't want to pay their ticket. Half the time these officers spend an hour getting ready for court to show up and go right home because the person plead out. For most officers this is on their day off. If the officers didn't have their cars at home, you would be paying them from the time they got to the PD until they returned to the PD. Which would add up to just about an extra hour. Instead you are paying for the time they spend at court. Also, these officers are in uniform while driving to and from work, which would be more dangerous for the officer driving their personal vehicles.

As for your post, you first complained about the wear and tear on the vehicles, which doesn't make sense. Then, yes, you got into their use of the vehicles, but "cutting you off" is perception. I get cut of on a daily basis by all citizens. Then the fact that you followed this officer, when you don't know if they were on or off duty is ridiculous. They actually have to leave the city limits to do their job sometimes. Do you think they should have to drive to Fayetteville for court? I mean that by your consideration that would be extra wear and tear on the vehicles. Next, when they get into city limits they pick up calls, so for all you know, when they were on Dividend they could have been responding to a call and before you say it, yes they can respond to calls to at the PD. Finally, should we just let everybody off the hook because it's Christmas?

The officers took the cars home in the first place to save the city money...PERIOD. You would have been the first person complaining when the city raised it's taxes so the cars could have been stored. Half of your responses in regards to the Police Officers are silly. I know many and what they go through day in and day out is nothing compared to your job. Yes, they chose this profession, but they signed up to protect and serve the citizens. Not to be chewed up and spit out when they are doing their job.

Submitted by Insayn on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 1:47am.

Or.... that officer would have done the exact same thing in their personal car, but you'd have kept your complaint to yourself.

Ill bet you've done the same thing and not even known it 1000 times.
You know you do the "no cop, don't stop" Kalifornia Cruise 3-4 times a day just like everyone else.

Maybe the next time you cut some one off because your on your cell, or shaving or reading the paper or eating your burger or putting on makeup or doing any number of 100 things that you shouldn't be doing while driving someone will catch your tag and post it online where everyone can see it.

and what does it matter that we pay taxes for the police cars? what good do they do anyone sitting in a parking lot when not in use?

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:16am.

You know these people put their life on the line everyday with no quarter. they play referee to all the adult kids out there, everytime they have to come to your home cause you and your old lady decided to have a slap fest, sad part is she was probably whoopin yo kiester, which is why you had to call em in the first place. These people put it on the line everyday for a salary that does not even come close to justifying the means. So what if we provide them transportation to and from, its the least we can do, how petty, is GENERATION $5.00 so pathetic as to be so ungrateful for the service that these people provide for your saftey and peace. GOD thankfully looks out for fools and idiots, good thing to for there is apparently no shortage of them as of late. Can you imagine with governments already cutting back on fire, and ems services in other counties, its only a matter of time before they have to cut back on law enforcement, should this happen, our society would be no differnt than that of Beirut, Somalia, Iraqqq..Get the picture, or should i draw one for ya...GOD BLESS...

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 5:34am.

It is an obvious fact that we have too many police cars if some can take them home and let them sit! If the policeman or woman is needed, someone can go get them, if they have no car.

The next shift should be able to use the previous shift cars. They replace them anyway at some mileage.

Give them a raise equivalent to what a ride home is worth if necessary. Abuse by some is natural.

Even senior officers should have their own vehicles to go home.
It is not the money, it is the principle!

Submitted by Dondol on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 12:52pm.

About 14 years ago I was broadsided by one of PTC finest in the passenger door. The officer that hit me did not have their drivers license on their person as it was left in the trunk of their personal car back at the station (the officer was sited, I was not). So this is a fairly recent practice in PTC. I personally think that the city could/would save money by allowing only Detectives and certain personnel to drive vehicles home. I just can't imagine something so terrible as for us to need all of our officers to be called in at one time(ATL maybe, but not PTC). Just my opinion and I know that some on here will pick it apart but last time I looked this was still America and as such we are all entitled to our own opinion.

Now just why in the Hell do I have to press 1 for English?

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 11:32pm.

I heard about that accident. You are an urban legend in PTC. I also heard about the PTC cop who died in a head-on collision and he was at fault.

I don't think anyone cares if they drive the cars home it is how they drive that scares and irritates most of us. One standard for them and another for us. They are above the law.

Submitted by Dondol on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 11:39am.

Skyspy, most of the time I agree with what you say, but don't come out and make fun of someone/something unless you have the facts and know what you are talking about. This accident happened on Hwy 54 at the light at Walt Banks at 8:10am, the Officer was setting on the side of the road across 54 from the Catholic Church and was watching for kids abusing the left turn lane onto Walt Banks. She decided to go after someone and just stepped on the gas instead of looking for oncoming traffic (I was heading East) and rammed into my passenger door and spun my car around 4 times. Luckily I had just dropped my 14 month old off at daycare. The shift duty Sargent came to the accident as did the GSP (GSP has to work all accidents involving local officers). Before the GSP arrived the Sargent allowed the Officer involved to use his patrol car to leave the accident and go to the station to retrieve her license from the trunk of her personnel car. Upon finding this out the GSP cited her for leaving the scene of the accident, also for failure to yield the right of way. The car was totaled and the city of Peachtree City payed for the cost of the car. So if you don't know what you are talking about try to control yourself from making fun of others and the TRUTH!

Now just why in the Hell do I have to press 1 for English?

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 1:41pm.

I wasn't making fun. I heard this story and really thought it was an urban myth until you told your story on here. You really are a legend. You have no idea how often I have heard your story from different people.

Cheer up

Submitted by Dondol on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 11:33am.

Sorry, I must have forgotten to take my meds.

Now just why in the Hell do I have to press 1 for English?

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 1:13pm.

No problem man. I'm sarcastic so much of the time I have to remember to tell people when I'm being sincere. Have a good day.

Submitted by Insayn on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 3:27pm.

Just goes to show you how much someone really knows when they "Know the story". Believe 10% of what you hear from others or read in the paper. They often get it wrong.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 3:21pm.


Submitted by Nitpickers on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 5:41pm.

My house will never "catch a fire." It can't run.

Weren't we talking about police cars, not firemen?

How much taxes do you pay on your property anyway?

I think I'll retire from conversations with you.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 7:09pm.


Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 6:54pm.

If were going to take the cars away from the police, why not take away the free room and board at the fire dept, its the same thing. GOD BLESS...

Submitted by jeep2 on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 2:16pm.

Mysteryman: You truly are a moron. Just when I think you have said it all; you come out with something more unbelievable. It appears you have issues with our public safety and the "perks" you think they have. Many cities and towns across the country allow their police officers to take vehicles home. I personally think its a great idea. We had a police officer who took his cruiser home. I can tell you that the speeding ceased and there was no trouble in the neighborhood. Its a positive thing for the citizens to have a patrol car at an officers house. Please explain how you think the fire department personnell get"free room and board"?? They work 24 on, 48 off. Where would you like them to be located while they wait for an emergency situation to arise?
I have a suggestion: why dont you join the auxillary police department OR the Peachtree City Fire Dept. as a volunteer?? Maybe then you would appreciate the work that these fine men and women do daily to keep us safe. And at a somewhat lousy salary to boot.

Submitted by enotsm19 on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 3:45pm.

Jeep I think mystery man was being sarcastic. From what I've read, he is for the officers taking cruisers home. I think if the citizens believe that officers shouldn't take patrol cars home then they should be concerned about the Fire/EMT's taking their engines to Kroger to pick up groceries. They can use the smaller trucks for that. I mean that causes "wear and tear" as some call it.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 2:09pm.

Mysteryman you obviously have no clue about what a Fireman or Policeman are paid.. and no I am not a "Public Servant" any longer...
These guys work Nights (while you sleep).. These guys work weekends (While you go out and party).. These guys work Holidays (While you pig out or go out) and they put their lives on the line (While you stay safe and dry)and they do it all for under $40k a year...
I really doubt you would do the same... If you want to call sleeping on a cot built for a 10 year old in a bunkroom that smells like smoke 24/7 a perk... then I hate to see what your idea of a "Bonus" would be..

Submitted by mysteryman on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 6:54pm.

My point exactly, you should read more than one of my post before joining in on the conversation, or at least stay on point..GOD BLESS

Submitted by mysteryman on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 3:27pm.

Its good to know that there is life out there, kudos to you jeep2 for getting my point. I could not have said it better myself.. For this is the issue that i was trying to covey to all the others out there to cheap to realize, the invaluable service that these people provide for all of us. I am sorry if i offended any of our fire srevice members out there, for i was only using that example to prove how ignorant the idea of eliminating the policy of take home cars for our officers is. Apparently some of our other guest are still in kindergarten, being jealous of what everyone else has, and can only understand things if you paint them a pitcure. Please try to read bettween the lines next time and use your imagination, a mind is a terrible thing to waste...GOD BLESS...

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 4:44pm.

Hey Mysteryman... sorry for the knee jerk.. a tad to sensitive on the subject for sure...
Re-read your earlier post and did a bit more looking at it and you are correct... Unlike some on here that just can not admit they are wrong I for one do have a mind and can change it.. just like my oil.. maybe not often enough...

Submitted by mysteryman on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 7:12pm.

Its allgood Lindsey... Forgive me for my sarcasm, for i was trying to paint a picture, for some of our less fortunate readers, who insist upon worrying about everybody else and what they have, instead of minding their own bussiness in the first place, especially when they have no idea of the sacrifices these people make, both law enforcement and fire, everytime they leave the house.. To keep us all safe..GOD BLESS...

Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 2:35pm.

Do we really want to get into who furnishes the free food and who does the bed laundry?

Cops caused enough trouble eating free some places or at great discounts without firemen (and women, I assume) cooking and laundering! Are the females in another room?

Isn't the devil always in the details?

Submitted by enotsm19 on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 3:50pm.

Cops don't "eat for free" any where, not at least since I've known them. I actually know an officer who had to refuse a citizen who wanted to pay for his families meal. I know of places that offer police/military discounts, but bonkers are you saying that these people who put their life on the line don't deserve discounts. Also, most officers don't use the discounts because they don't like to advertise to the public that they are law enforcement when their families are around. Before you speak, learn your facts.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 4:32pm.

I first need to ask you why you are responding to the "Free Speech" articles printed in the distributed newspaper every Wednesday? One has to scroll forever to find you!

Now, I'm sure ALL cops don't do discounts or eat free. I wouldn't if I were a public servant.

Employees of any kind who use their position for favors eventually go overboard. Great quantities of money confiscated during operations was once a gold-mine for officers and others in many places.

In New York City for instance, it once was standard practice for all retailers to supply goods and services for nothing to the police. Political donations were especially required.

The point being, taking any amount of anything anywhere is casting doubt on all of the honest servants!

No amount of excuses will ever convince many that something untoward isn't going on! Even a ladder truck picking up chili makings is suspect! Even reckless driving to coffee break is suspect. It is hard to be a good cop!

Firemen have always been a different situation---but I don't want to comment on anything else right now--especially since we don't pay them enough nor expect enough from them. It being a dangerous job is like the military---that is what it is!
I wouldn't want to drive a cab in Atlanta!

Submitted by intheknow on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 3:49pm.

"Free Firemen Bed and Board"
You continually live up to your name, where in the he%% do firefighters get free food?

bonkers [bong-kerz]
–adjective Slang. mentally unbalanced; mad; crazy.
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Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 3:59pm.

I don't know where the food they eat comes from, do you? Laundry of beds?

I know it was donated in other cities to firehouses by people wanting free tests, etc.

Submitted by Ga-Gal on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:19pm.

Has it ever occured to you that most of these officer no matter what city or county their in are on call 24/7. Lets say that when you make that emergency call during the night, or there is a terriable accident that you are involved in or your loved one. Would you rather have them get called out and have to drive all the way back to the station from their home, then get their car and come to your aid, or would you rather them simply have the car there with them so that they can come directly to your emergency. Those are valuable minutes we are talking about in an emergency. Which result in a much faster response time. People are so quick to bash our law emforcement no matter what they do. Sure unfortunatly there will always be a few that do things wrong or make the others look bad. If you have a problem with a specific officer then that should be handled seperatly and profressionaly not by bashing them on the internet. If what they do is so simple and easy then why can't you handle your own problems when something happens. Why do you have to call them. People write in here and get so upset about the tickets that are written to citizens and everyone starts going back and forth over it. You only hear one side of what happened. Of course in that persons eyes they did no wrong and the officer is just out to get them. That is the side coming from the person that is upset about getting the ticket. Those people are not going to tell you the whole story of why they got stopped or what all happened. Of sourse they are going to portray themselves as the innocent victim of the situation. People need to take a step back and look at what these officers do everyday to help keep YOU safe. These men and women will take a bullet for you and have choosen a profession where they have given there life to protect you and your family. They know that when they go to work every day there is chance that something may happen to them. Their families and loved ones know this. This is definatly not a profession that is choosen by these individuals because of the pay. Simply for the reason in wanting to help keep us all safe. When there is a horriable accident could you imagine having to be the person to knock on the door of a family and tell them that their father, mother, or teenage child is seriously injuryed or dead after coming to the scene of some of these accidents. Could you imagine getting called to a home were a person is threatening their life or someone elses and it's your job to stop them and to save this peron's life no matter what the sitituation is. I bet you couldn't sleep after seeing some of the things these officers see. Knowing that a few miles a day may be added on to these cars as wear and tear verses a slower response time in the event of an emergency, and if taking a car home helps an officer come to my aid faster in the event of an emergency then so be it. To know that those valuble minutes were not lost in your time of need in an accident, fire, or break-in is a wonderful thing know. Hopefully if you have an emergency one of these officers who are able to take their cars will be able to respond to you. These officers do not get the recognition they deserve. They put their lives on the line every day to help keep you safe.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 2:28pm.

A_GAL Dont let these adult GENERATION $5.00 kids get under your skin, guess mommy and daddy did,nt show them enough attention back in the day, now they are just jealous about what other people have, and have earned. how pathetic, i guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round. I guess long as they can go get their $5.00 footlong , and $5.00 latte, life is just wonderfull. Im sure one day when they least expect it their turn on the wheel will come, and someone will have to come to their rescue, but hey they had to stop by the office first....Gee i wonder.. I guess to save money, we should have all the firemen stay home, until needed, no need for a station, where we provide free room and board , how petty get real folks...GOD BLESS... BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE FOR WITHOUT THE SACRIFICE OF OTHERS YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE..

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:33pm.

You seemed to be confused. Off duty police don't show up for emergency. Cops on duty do. If you are working, you need to be at work, not home.

We don't need to be buying so many police cars that all officers have one to go back and forth to work in, yet, it seems that is what we are unknowingly doing. I doubt their job descriptions says they get the personal use of a car to come and go to work. It needs to be looked into as to why this is going on.

Oh yeah, that bullet? If they are home [on call was it?] I doubt they are in too much danger. Wouldn't worry too much.

Submitted by Ga-Gal on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:51pm.

You must be really confused. Do you understand what ON CALL means? Look into that.

Bullet? Yeah those are those things that can inflict seriouse danger to someones life. If they at home yeah their not in to much danger but if you they get called out that is differant situation. So check into what ON CALL means and you might understand a little better.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 9:34am.

Is what you need, next time you have a crisis or time of need, I hope it takes them an hour to respond while they have to go to headquarters to retrieve their cruiser which contains the tools nessasary for them to do the job, i guess you figure they should be like the pizza man and use their own car eh.. Next time you call 911 the operator should tell you "HEY YOU GOT 30 MIN" GOOD LUCK..

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 10:07am.

you said "I hope it takes them an hour to respond while they have to go to headquarters to retrieve their cruiser which contains the tools nessasary for them to do the job, Next time you call 911 the operator should tell you "HEY YOU GOT 30 MIN" GOOD LUCK.."

Have you ever heard of shifts? Other police on duty would use the same car and then we wouldn't have to waste money on more cars and gas. What Bonkers said is drive your car to work like everyone else does, use the cruiser at work as everyone uses their employers bussiness tools,leave the cruiser and drive home in your own!

Tyrone police carry them home. It isn't fair that we are paying for a police car for each officer to take home when the next shift could use them. Unfair as well is gas and wear and tear of the vehicle for these people to come work. If it isn't in their contract, or job description, that car should be parked at the police department.

Submitted by Insayn on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 9:28pm.

Is it in a Doctors job description that they get to make their own hours and charge ungodly amounts of money for you to sit in a waiting room? Is it in an Airline employees job description that they get free flights? Is it in and Auto Workers job description that they get something like 90% of their salary and keep their other benefits if they get laid off? (more on these in a second) Is it in a job description that a retail employee gets employee discounts? Is it in a pastors job description that he gets a house paid for by the church?


Lets just call them Perks of the job, and believe it or not take home vehicles bring in applicants to law enforcement agencies. Just as in any job, if the benefits are better at job 1 then they are at job 2, where do you go? And you get better qualified people if you have good benefits. Ill tell you, id much rather have well qualified, educated Police Officers with take home cars then Ruten tut'en Bubba, with his six shooter always in hand, who doesn't have a take home car protecting me.

Here's what I think a Police job description should say: Mr/Ms. police Officer here are your duties: Raise other peoples kids, because they cant handle them on their own, run toward bullets when others run away, be hated by everyone, be loved by no one, deal with complaints about the way you look, drive, smile and eat, take johnny to jail for beating his wife while driving 90 MPH, in a rainstorm drunker than a Kennedy during rush hour, be threated to be sued by Johnny because he's seen every episode of cops 200 times and he knows the law because of it. Be told daily someone knows the chief and will have your job. Work on Christmas, new years, thanksgiving easter and every weekend, go to court on your day off...

Now on to the airline/Auto thing...
is it fair that airline employees and their families get to fly wherever they want at no cost? Nope, but its a perk of working for them aint it? now for my correlation between take home cars and Airline employees. Didn't the government dish out millions and millions of our tax money to bail them out recently? So if you think about it, when the airline families went on vacation to Europe, or flew little johnny home from college or (insert witty comment here), our tax money went to pay for hundreds of airline employees (and their families) to fly. Now you want to complain about wasted taxes? look into that. Sorry to pick on you Airline guys, but hey its true.

And how about Ford? Do we all get new cars since our tax money is going to bail them out? Nope. We've got to deal with the fact that someone knows better than we do about whats best for the City, State and Country, just like we do with the take home car thing.

One final thing and then ill get off the soap box. I noticed the phrase "Its not fair" a lot. well, it aint fair to our officers to be bashed in public because they are human and one made a mistake. It isn't fair that they have to tolerate ignorant people who hate them because they wear a badge and give out traffic tickets. And it isn't fair that Life isnt fair either.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 2:17pm.

.... and you are so, so correct..

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 11:37pm.

I think it was determined that Ford managed their buisness better than gm and chrysler so no money for them this time.

Buy Ford, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, they have earned your buisness, gm has not.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 10:34pm.

Well actually, the Air Transportation Stabilization Board provided loan guarantees of just north of $1 Billion to the following air carries:

America West Airlines - merged with US Airways
US Airways
American Trans Air - ceased operations
Aloha Airlines - repaid the loan - ceased operations
Frontier Airlines - repaid the loan - currently in Chap 11
Evergreen International Airlines
World Airways - repaid the loan
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Submitted by Insayn on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 12:42am.

"On September 22, 2001, President Bush signed into law the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act ("Act") (Public Law 107-42). The Act establishes the Air Transportation Stabilization Board ("Board"). The Board may issue up to $10 billion in Federal credit instruments."

US Treasury Dept. Website.

So where did the $1 billion come from? credit from the US Government, correct? Ill admit Im uneducated when it comes to credit and loans, but its sound to me that then loans came from taxpayer money. If i read your numbers right those airlines paid back almost $1 billion, thats great. The airlines got $15 billion in 2001 alone. Where's the other $14 billion?

I'm not trying to pick on the airlines or Ford or GM or Vespa... just trying to make a point about "perks" and the $.0003 cents each of us pays in taxes for a car to be driven for a week.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 4:40pm.

Yes, I'm very familiar with that web site. As for the program, it was for air carriers to secure private loans using the government resources as collateral (loan guarantees). This was necessary as private lenders were very uneasy to loan money to airlines right after 9/11. The "Act" set aside $10 billion to back these loans. Only $1 billion was used.

Now, the Government did also provide the airlines with emergency aid right after 9/11. This amounted to $5 billion. But, one has to realize the Government completely shut the air transportation system down for 3 days. This interruption coupled with the very slow re-start of the air traffic and the then new federal requirements concerning security enhancements was going to devastate business models of all the air carriers.

I really don't consider this a perk and neither did Congress.

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Submitted by Insayn on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 6:38pm.

I never said the money was the perk, I said the free flights by the employees and families were the perk.

Now what about those airlines that shut down or filed chapter 11? Didn't the government have to pay those loans back to the private lenders under the loan guarantees for the airlines? And the companies that filed chapter 11, if the loans weren't repaid because of the chapter 11 (read as: reset button) didn't they contribute to the $700 Billion Wall Street bailout in the long run?

Perhaps I should have used the company that spent $400,000 after the bailout for a trip to the spa as an example. Maybe people would have seen my point a little better.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 8:40pm.

operations and was unable to "clean the slate" was ATA; about $86 million. I'm not real sure on how that was reconciled but most likely it was through the sale of assets. The last report I seen was that the Government made $300 million on the "Act".

As for TARP ($700B) and ATSB, as far as I know, there is no connection.
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Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:52pm.

Wow are you that dense, have you ever heard of being on alert, or being on call, i guess the 29,000 to 33,000 average starting salary is enough for putting your life in the line of fire. We all should be proud to provide this benefit to these officers, with our taxes. I wonder if you will feel the same way when the the fayette county invasion is complete..Good luck

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 2:02pm.

and it is not everyday. Many have jobs are on call once a month, once a week, etc. You are on call when no one is on duty, or less than complement. You guys are abusing this and using it as an excuse to use a cop car as your own. That was never the intent of the people who pay for them. No wonder our taxes are too high.

Submitted by Spot on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 6:49pm.

Don't make me must not be a police officer or care too much about them. Are you and oldbeachbear, other aliases, one in the same? Or maybe you're related! Police officers are on call 24/7! What happens when a major disaster happens? All police officers are called in to work. Or, maybe there is a standoff of some kind? All police officers are called in to work. Thanks to all you police officers out there and all you do to keep us safe!

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 3:07pm.

Look i agree with you ok! My family dates back to 1899 in this county so i am well aware of our taxes being to high, Just the property taxes alone to maintain lands that have been in the family for over 100 years is appalling at best, but i digress, your taxes pay for so much more than just police, fire , ems, schools, parks recreation, the things and quality of life that you or your predecessors came to fayette county for in the first place. If you want to do something about it quit whining about the civil servants that maintain fayette countys quality of life.. Get involved in the community, come to the county commission or town hall meetings, have a say on what the government spends your hard earned dollars on, our governmaent and county commisions answer to no one and have no accountability whatsoever each year they dole out millions as they see fit, for the meeting rooms are empty, when the issues they are voting on should have drawn a full house, i could not even recall the number of meetings that i have been to where the same 10 or 15 people show up that always do. We need help folks if we are going to have any say or control over this matter. I for one want to live the rest of days in this community, i am tired of seeing my friends and neighbors being forced to sell their lands because they cannot afford to pay the taxes, this is unacceptable and must stop. The government must do like the rest of us in hard times, and live with in its means. No more unessasary road projects, millions dollar schools being constructed as we speak that are not needed and will sit empty upon completion, no more splost taxes vote no every time for this is the governments crack rock. Pay attention to all the rezoning signs around where you live, for if successful these new devlopments reguardless of type will drive your property taxes thru the roof. And last but not least vote get rid of the county commisioners that persue thier pet projects, for their own personal financial gain, have your say...GOD BLESS...AND GOOD LUCK...

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 10:17am.

You two are difficult to write to!

Wear and tear on a car has nothing to do with an officer taking it home! It will get more wear and tear if Lt is for another shift---but on far fewer cars!

Insurance and maintenance on more cars is also expensive.

A to repairing a car--let a desk jockey take it to the garage!

All these problems have answers. Fact is some simply want the officers to have a car to take home!

Try think through a problem for a change.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 8:22pm.

Always wonder what i was doing wrong,, thanks for the know bonkers..I love u man...what would we do without your wisdom...

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 8:27pm.

this isn't a blog, more like talking to a drunk. Sorry, this is sad.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 8:50pm.

Sorry you feel that way, takes one to know one..PEACE..

Submitted by dontmakemesay on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 9:08pm.

do you have a job or go to school?

Submitted by mysteryman on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 9:13pm.


Submitted by dontmakemesay on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 10:22am.

the wear and tear of cars would be in the line of use for the people who pay for them. If it isn't in the job description, cars should not go home with officers. Love to know who made the decision if not in job description.

Submitted by Insayn on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 11:20pm.

Ok people lets say that they get rid of half the patrol cars... Now lets actually think instead of just spitting out garbage.

driving a patrol car 24 hours a day 365 days a year = a car that gets put in the garage every few weeks, which costs the city money. And does us, the citizens, no good.

then the officers would have to find another car, which would already be driven 24/7 365. So the city would have to buy another car just to have one when the others are in the garage, which costs the city money.

Then you have to replace said patrol cars after a certain millage because they wear out from being driving 24 hours a day 365 days a year. which, guess what, cost even more money in the long run. With one officer driving a patrol car 8-10- or 12 hours a day the cars dont wear out as fast and saves money.

Run your car for a month and see how long it lasts.

Now, I seriously doubt that they get 30 new cars every year, id be willing to be that most of the cars are several years old and every year they get a few new ones to replace the old ones. and they slowly rotate the cars out, like most other departments do.

it seems everyones so quick to point out that they pay taxes. Dont the police officers themselves pay the very same taxes you do? Maybe they should demand a raise.

As for take home cars, two things here:
1. on call, I strongly doubt that every officer is on call, but what about the ones that are? detectives, or any other officer who has to answer the call in the middle of the night?

2. dont forget your county taxes, state taxes and fed taxes pay for Fayette County to take their cars home (or dekalb or fulton or clayton or where every you live), the GBI and the Georgia State Patrol to take theirs home, and the FBI, secret service, DOD, and other federal government official to take their cars home. Why not take your case to the President. tell him no more take home cars for anyone because you say so.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 12:02am.

You know most people fail to realize that a police cruiser is assigned to a certain officer, because it is not just a vehicle for he or she to ride around in, but it also carries all of that officers assigned gear, that they must have not only in order to do their job, but to save their lives as well. Gone are the days of BARNEY FIFE, with only a set of kuffs and a six shooter strap to his side. NO in todays liberal society, the amount of gear a uniform patrol officer is assigned has increased 10 fold, items such as riot gear, personal protection equipment, rubber bullets, tasers, first aid, communication equipment, rescue equip etc. The amount of time required to gear up for a shift and stand down for a shift could be better used out on the beat. Add to that special response teams, S.W.A.T. officers and other specialty officers and the amount of gear increases with each unit. A few extra gallons of gas or a few extra clicks on the odometer, will pay of in spades, in the fight against crime and keep you and your family safe from harm. THE CHOICE IS YOURS..GOD BLESS..

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 9:43am.

Please stop using all capital letters in your post titles. It is unsightly and considered rude in the online world.

Submitted by mysteryman on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 10:24am.

Last time i checked, the world was not a nice place,, if only the title of my post, and how it was presented was all that is wrong in the world. just imagine. Please try to stay on point, GOD BLESS...

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 10:34am.

Thank You!

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