What's your prediction for the coming year?

Sat, 12/27/2008 - 1:29pm
By: The Citizen



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S. Lindsey's picture
Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 5:13pm.

it's a train stupid get off the tracks..
So after 2 weeks of the new administration.. how is everyone feeling? I noticed the poll numbers have now increased solidily into the pessimistic range since Obama walked into town.. Tax cheats, bribes takers, and general partisian hacks..

Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 10:39am.
"I'm very optimistic about 2009.
After 8 long years of misleadership and bumbling, it's morning again in America.
Barack Obama will restore honor and dignity to the office of the President."

Yep.. there's change for ya.. I am only laughing to keep from crying...


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 5:52pm.


The last poll I saw indicated only 12% of America disapproved of the job Obama was doing.

Probably those sad bitter-enders like SLindsey who put the needs of the Republican party above those of America.
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Palin-Nugent 2012


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 7:48pm.

You don't understand things too well do you.. A little ADD?
I was talking about the poll on the home page.. You know Pessimistic/Optimistic.. I thought I was clear about that..
and besides Obama's new polling data is 55% approval rating.. Seems to be more then 12% disaprove, but what the heck.. you are obviously right.
And calling me a ideologue is really the kettle calling the pot black.. don'tcha think?


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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:04pm.

Until I see what President Obama either does to the country or for it. Smiling


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:03pm.

obama stands behind tax cheats. He is my new hero. I need all of the taxes I paid last year back. Come hell or high water. LOVE TAX CHEATS!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PRESIDENT ENDORSES THEM!!!

I love this guy. I want my money....let the welfare, food stamp people die,...I WANT MY MONEY!!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:05pm.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:09pm.

The Bubble. Wherever the heck that might be.....


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:08pm.

Love the plane. I was always too afraid of the tail dragon!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:21pm.

Cessna 120. Anyways, I put mine on its nose one night at Long Beach airport. I was taxing too fast and hit brakes as I almost went on the active (34R). Anyways, the ole tail rose majestically into the air and the prop made that damn sickening noise as it bit into the ground.
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Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:28pm.

I have a friend you had a similar incident, but it involved railroad tracks that paralleled the active. Yes the plane was totaled but my friend survived.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:35pm.

Landing planes and railroad tracks don't mix.

I was lucky with mine. I had to replace the crankshaft (flange was bent) and found that the cam shaft was cracked. Replaced the prop and put that little C85 back together. One thing, I bent the tail wheel leaf spring when the tail wheel hit the ground and bounce a few times. It never taxied right after that.

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Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:52pm.

Wow, did you do all of the work yourself? I'm impressed.

I never got the full story, but he went right into the embankment nose first. This same guy belongs to a club flying Dr. Killers(aka MO20's) You only live once, but if you live right once is enough, I guess.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 6:58pm.

I got this here Guv certificate/license that says I can work on airplanes.
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Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 7:02pm.

Dang .....

It sounds like it was a lot of work.

Good for you.

Have a good night Cy

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 5:36pm.

Thanks!!
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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 5:41pm.

... myself to sleep


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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 5:45pm.

I'm sorry. Once I responded you can't change it. My fault. Forgive me.
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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 7:42pm.

Beat me to the punch...


Submitted by whitegirl2008 on Fri, 01/23/2009 - 11:08am.

The world is coming to an end and no one wants to see it.....So just keep living your life like you always have and just wait for the crazy stuff to start happening.......

Submitted by I Watch on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 10:15am.

The same problems we have. But don’t worry, Obama has promised change.

Russia’s biggest export, oil, has fallen to $32 a barrel. $70 is needed to sustain the industry. Stocks have fallen 77% causing 25 stock exchange to close. Real Estate prices have collapsed. Their debt rating has been lowered causing a depletion of currency reserves. And they’ve devalued the ruble 11 times since November. But they say the biggest danger is social unrest. In Russia that means revolution.

China’s exports have fallen so much that the economy is on the verse of collapse. Stocks are down 60%, the government has slashed interest rates, businesses are closing putting millions out of work, the real estate market is collapsing, the government is spending bailout yens, and there is “unrest” in the people.

Japan is in the worst recession since WWar II, stock prices are at 18 year lows, Toyota reported its worst sales loss in 70 years, and the unemployed are living in tents.

Nations everywhere from Asia to S. America to Europe and the Middle East are suffering the same problem. I know this sound familiar to some of our problems in the US, but why should we worry, surely Obama and the Federal government will protect all Americans. Economists say we’ll be out of this thing by Spring. Nothing like living in the good ole USA. Change is on its way. I voted for Obama, didn’t you?

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Submitted by hdbulldawgs on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 9:33am.

Like I said.


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Submitted by dawn69 on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 8:36pm.

Most of the commentary that I have read lately, regarding the economy, paints a pretty gloomy picture for 2009. The first two quarters are predicted to be worse than the last two resulting in higher unemployment. Most predictions don't see any kind of upward turn until late in 2009 at the earliest. I do not pretend to understand all the workings of our economy but I think it's a pretty safe bet that 2009 will suck just as bad as 2008. This is not as much pessimism as it is a statement of the obvious. Rock bottom is still in our future.


Submitted by mysteryman on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 9:25pm.

Were still up, skimming the tree tops, number three is on fire got to shut it down, flying on vapors now, rear keeps thumpin the fuel gauge to see if it comes back up, done push out all the cargo to lighten the load, guess we got enough fuel to take her up one last time, better gain some altitude, still standing by on the bailout, hope it comes soon, wonder if we should ditch, those people who packed our chutes had to give back some of their pay in order for uncle to give them their bailout, since they work for half pay now, could it be that they only gave us half a chute??? No worrys eh..ITS ALLGOOD...

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 10:39am.

I'm very optimistic about 2009.

After 8 long years of misleadership and bumbling, it's morning again in America.

Barack Obama will restore honor and dignity to the office of the President.

Smiling


Submitted by fluffybear on Thu, 01/22/2009 - 4:34pm.

In 48 hours in office, He's already proven to me that the Obama presidency will go down as being worse then Jimmy Carter's.

What I see is 2009 and 2010 will be very long and hard on all of our pocketbooks. However, November 2010 will see another revolution when America finally wakes up and realizes they made a big mistake and allow the Republicans to cease back control of the House and make Mr. Obama the lame duck he ought to be.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 9:07pm.

2008 Military Times poll: Wary about Obama

"When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic, according to a Military Times survey."


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 11:42am.

We now have the most Socilistic Goverment this Country has ever seen.. (yes that includes President Bush)
On the table is (1) TRILLON that is with a Capital "T" of additional spending on more projects like "The Bridge to no where".. Does anyone really believe that the Goverment can spend this money wisely or will it find it's way into friends and families pockets.. "The Chicago Way" is not just an expression.. it is the way the Goverment works to "grease" the skids.
To those of you who think that now your gas tanks will be filled and your mortgages paid.. WAKE UP and smell the coffee.. Where do you think that money comes from... It's ours the taxpayers money and that well will run dry. Then what.. where will it come from next.. oh yes that's right the Goverment will just print more... ever hear of inflation..
It takes a Jimmy Carter to get a Ronald Regan.. anyone want to guess about 2012?


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Submitted by dawn69 on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 8:55am.

I don't even want to think about 2012. I'm hoping that the Mayans are wrong. Smiling

"That it will never come again is what makes life so sweet."
- Emily Dickinson


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 3:28pm.

2012.. Aren't we all supposed to crash and burn..?


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Submitted by diva on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 8:21pm.

The same people that claim anyone thinks the government will pay their mortgages and fill their tanks.......

Are the same people who claim people somehow worship Barack...

Are the same people who as late as October were swearing there was no recession; just a "downturn."

Are the same people who voted for GWB twice...

Are the same people I choose not to regularly give any weight to their predictions.

Just my two pennies.


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 12:58pm.

The same people that claim anyone thinks the government will pay their mortgages and fill their tanks.......

Are the same people who claim people somehow worship Barack...

Are the same people who as late as October were swearing there was no recession; just a "downturn."

Are the same people who voted for GWB twice...

Are the same people I choose not to regularly give any weight to their predictions.

Just my two pennies.

You can view the video on "you tube".. See the lady who is almost orgasmic claiming now that Obama was going to be elected "she did not have to worry about filling up her gas tank or paying her mortgage".. Obama was going to do it for her...
Wake up and smell the coffee... and by the way the President can not spend money.. only Congress can.. so Who is responcible for this mess? The Congress.. and who has been in control of Congress for the last 2 years..? The Repubs where not any better.. They spent like.. well.. Democrats


Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 10:46am.

on the innane ramblings of one chowder head who managed to get a YouTube moment, then we're truly lost as a nation and a society. Our gov't is, if anyone has noticed, no longer for the people, but for it's lobbyists and corporate masters. Wake up and smell that coffee!

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 9:27am.

I know I am Holocaust denier too..Right?
What is Socialism?
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and an egalitarian society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals and a fair or egalitarian distribution of wealth.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement as well as the intellectual movement that criticized the effects of industrialization on society. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism

President elect Obama has stated he will "spread the wealth around". My question is who's wealth.. Mine, yours? Oh that's right the evil rich.. yeah the ones that own the factories and stores... California is a great example of what happens when you go after the rich to "re-distribute" their wealth to the non-producers and dare I say it "illegal aliens". The rich stop investing and go somewhere else.. and oh by the way.. They already pay more then their fair share of the taxes.. 5% of the population pays 80% of the taxes.. 60% of the population pays NOTHING... Look it up.. the numbers are there to be found by anyone.. REMEMBER YOU HAVE NEVER WORKED FOR A POOR PERSON..


Submitted by bowser on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 7:01am.

"(The rich) already pay more then their fair share of the taxes.. 5% of the population pays 80% of the taxes.. 60% of the population pays NOTHING..."

So says Mr. Lindsey.

The facts: Roughly one-third of filers pay no federal income tax. The reason is simple: they don't make the minimum income threshold. Anyone who thinks life in the 0% bracket is nirvana is free to join them. Myself, I plan to stay in as high a tax bracket as possible for as long as possible.

It's true that a small percentage of people pay a large percentage of income taxes. Again, simple reason: They make a large percentage of INCOME. The fact that this spread is widening says more about the growing gap in wealth and income than it does about tax rates. Incomes at the top have grown sharply in the past 25 years, while median income is flat when adjusted for inflation. Meanwhile, both the top marginal tax rate and the capital gains rates are at historic LOWS. The Wall Street Journal last year reported that the top 400 income-earners in America accounted for 1.15 percent of all income -- double the percentage in 1995. Their average tax rate fell from 30 percent to 18 percent in the same time.

Finally we come to his outraged claim that 60 percent of the people "pay NOTHING." Even if they do not pay federal income tax, if they work they pay payroll tax (some of which winds up in the general budget); if they shop they pay sales tax; if they own property and a car they pay property and ad valorem tax. They pay excise taxes on their cigs and booze if they're dumb enough to use either. (For good measure there's also a better chance they play the lottery and thus pay the college tuitions of middle and upper class kids.) And they pay all these taxes at precisely the same rate as a billionaire.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Wed, 01/21/2009 - 2:16pm.

According to the Tax Foundation, the top 1% of wage-earners in this country pays nearly 40% of the burden (an 11% INCREASE over 1999, when WHO was President? Oh that's right...Bill Clinton). Not fair? Well, you may be saying, 'that's because they have ALL the wealth!' Wrong again. The top 1% of earners account for just 21% of the total adjusted gross income. Hmm. Come to think of it...you're RIGHT! That really isn't fair. They're paying DOUBLE what they should be. By the way, the top 10% of earners pay 70% of the load. When you get all the way down to the top 50% of earners, they account for 96.4% of the entire tax burden. The next 10% pays 3.6%. And the bottom 40% of wage earners...pay NOTHING. That's right, nothing. In fact, they pay nothing, and then often get a "refund" (handout) at years end.


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Submitted by Mike King on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 7:49am.

I like the way you present your arguement "roughly one-third of filers pay no income tax" when we both know that the correct number is closer to forty percent than it is to thirty-three percent. In fact, all your statements are technically correct. Are you truly content with the fact that a minority of this country is actually beginning to support the majority? You do realize that this trend is growing, don't you?

What happens when the numbers reach one-fifth producing and four-fifths receiving? It is remarkable that some four hundred people pay 1.15 percent of income taxes for a population of 300 million, don't you think? Could it be feasible that the "entitlements" of the less fortunate could end up with strings attached? I mean after all, Members of Congress have been skirting around the Constitution for some time now, which, at least to me, says that nearly all is possible.

Are you comfortable with the possibility that your posterity could be born into servitude?

Just my two cents worth.


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Submitted by diva on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:53am.

Enjoy reading your comments, but I've been carrying too much velocity lately to spray paint much on these walls. Anyhow, hope this year brings you health and happiness, and a bit of horsepower won't hurt either. Look forward to some future fellowship.

Cheers


Submitted by bowser on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 11:01am.

I'm not arguing the trend is good -- far from it. I'm arguing that the culprit is the growing income and wealth gap, not high taxes on the rich and freeloading by the lower classes.

By the way those 400 taxpayers I mentioned reported a combined income of $85.6 billion. That is not net wealth, mind you, it is 1 year's income. Another list, the Forbes 400, measures total net worth...the members of that list are worth a combined $1.25 TRILLION (up about $300m from the prior year). Imagine what these totals would look like if you included the top 4,000 on each list. Some say our tax system discourages striving to accumulate wealth, but it looks to me like it's doing a bang-up job. The question may be whether it's doing too good a job.

I don't begrudge the wealthy a penny of their money, even if it came from inheritance or hedge fund bonuses. I'm not envious or jealous of them. But I also don't think they are anything close to over-taxed relative to their fellow citizens, despite the rightwing mythology to the contrary.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 8:26am.

Luckydog has more good points than you, I'm afraid.

I realize that you fear a deterioration of competition if people are supported by the government, but it is just a matter of quantity.

I do think everyone should pay a minimum tax regardless of their income or profit. At least a token amount so as to contribute some to our defense and infrastructure, and the even poorer.

As to those in the upper middle and upper income categories (you and I) I have never understood why they complain all of the time about paying somewhere between 15 and 20% NET of their gross income. Some, a few, less, some more.

They still eat and drink what they want, live where they please, drive good vehicles, save money and educate their kids. Many get large pensions at early ages due to opportunity, and education primarily! They work no harder than most---just smarter. Probably do sacrifice fun time a little.

There is the 10% who due to scores of factors, are worthless to the rest of us. Another 10% who are mentally challenged!

Be happy with your wonderful situation!

Submitted by swac on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 8:36pm.

After WW11 America was proud to be the country with the highest payed workers in the world. We built what we bought and were proud to do so. Then greedy corporations figured they could scam the system if they had parts made in japan. We have gone down hill ever since.

We must start to make our own products. My neighbor needs me to buy his output.

Lets put Americans back to work.

Submitted by mysteryman on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 8:59pm.

The first thing Obama should enact is legislation that would require, if your product or goods are going to be sold here in the U.S.A, then a certain percentage of those goods or products must be made here in the U.S.A or be banned.. period.. no ifs and or buts..U.S.A first then everyone else no exceptions..

Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 2:54pm.

I like your statement: "It takes a Jimmy Carter to get a Ronald Regan.."

First, Lord help us if we have to endure another Reagan. Second, this is a little trivial but, it's spelled R E A G A N. Third, Ronnie wasn't a good president. He was a talking head for . . . his wife, Nancy. That's right, that woman called more shots as "the First Lady" than he did as President. She got her way with whatever she wanted. And let's not even bring up the ridiculous amount of money she spent replacing the Presidential dishes - remember the fracas she caused doing that? Plus, don't forget he was an actor first.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 9:39am.

Daisyheadmaisy...??
Where do I begin with you... You can re-write your own history, but you can not re-write ours...
Look at the Carter years then look at the REAGAN years... Record growth in GDP (look it up).. Record employment (look it up)
Record Low-Inflation (look it up) I can go on and on... Carter was at best a failure.. I know your hero Clinton was your god until Obama came on the scene..
What do you have against women..? I thought it was ok that Hilary was co-president.. You liberals said it was fine.. Oh that's right it's ok as long as your an ass.. oh I mean a Democrat..


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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 9:38am.

Reagan did not have record growth in GDP. As you said, look it up. I've provided a link to the OMB Budget statistics for you. GDP growth under Carter was better. In fact, for the last almost 70 years no Republican administration has produced GDP growth matching the Democratic average and no Democratic administration has produced GDP growth as small as the Republican average.

Gross Domestic Product Growth Annualized %:

Johnson: 5.43
Kennedy: 4.93
Clinton: 3.58
Carter 3.42
Reagan: 3.37
Ford: 2.75
Nixon: 2.68
Eisenhower: 2.27
Bush 43: 1.90

Republican average: 2.594
Democratic average: 3.862

As for employment gains, Reagan was third behind Carter and Clinton:

Employment Gain Per Year (1000s)

Carter: 2506
Clinton: 2260
Reagan: 2094
Nixon: 1827
Johnson: 1674
Ford: 1204
Kennedy: 858
Bush 43: 749

The GDP to debt data can be found at the US Government web site:

White House OBM Budget

Like you say, you can't rewrite history.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 6:42am.

Or at least that is what we can conclude from JeffC's research project. Using the employment gains alone, we can expect President Obama to skyrocket into first place after he hires millions to work for the federal gummint' to administer the giveaway programs to non-taxpayers. Then using Jeff's logic, he will be the best President ever.

If I live through his 4 years, I will always be proud to have participated (with my tax dollars) in this historic time.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 9:50am.

S. Lindsey mentioned two specific statistics and challenged us to "look it up". He was wrong on both.


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:46am.

I needed that!

"Carter a much better President than Reagan" Ha, Ha, Ha, ....Wow, that was a good one.

Does giving people welfare handouts count as employment??

I guess anyone who brings our country down to Russia's standard of living must be great. No wonder JeffC was cheering for obama. If obama does even half of what he promised on the campaign trail he will take the title as worst President. It will be interesting to see how his economic stimulus package works out.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:36am.

"I guess anyone who brings our country down to Russia's standard of living must be great."

Let's see... which President (10 more days!) since Hoover has presided over the only terms in which the median income of the US household has declined?

Fess up now, you supported him and voted for him twice didn't you?


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:12pm.

I didn't vote for either Bush Sr. or Jr.

I just don't think welfare programs are going to help our country. I can't think of one socialist country that has been a super-power or even mildly successful.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 1:42pm.

Guess you know what happened when I ASSuMEd?

We'll have lots of opportunity to debate the econ. package as it evolves. It would suit me to have reasonable, knowledgeable and thoughtful people working on the problem. Unfortunately, we go into the crisis with the Congress that we have.

Either way, the bottom line is that it scares the heck (and then some) out of me.


Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 9:50am.

Maybe we've learned from the failure of the 'first' stimulus policy. I agree with the former presidents - we wish Obama success. He has selected experts from different political and ideological perspectives to guide us out of this mess. Let's hope he LISTENS - and makes decisions based on what is best for the American people rather than what is best for American business. The private and public sectors have been allowed to go unregulated too long - and the results are that SOME Americans have prospered beyond belief - and the rest of us are HURTING! To hope that Obama fails - is hoping that America fails. If certain American businessmen had dealt fairly and wisely with their customers and employees - rather than running their business based on greedy profit schemes - we might not be in this mess. Government is to supply those services that the people cannot provide for themselves. Unregulated services - private and government - have proved disastrous. Those in Fayette County have done well compared to the rest of the country - but without government help, we would see many on the streets and in soup lines today. Unless there is improvement to our economy and the global economy - those working in small businesses here in Fayette County will be in the welfare line - grateful for the 'government’ assistance in temporarily putting food on the table for their family.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:05am.

I hope that this most recent plan is successful. I have not read or heard all of Obama's most recent plan. What little I have read says he will keep the tax cuts in place and provide incentives for companies who stay in America.

I was worried when he was campaigning he talked of "windfall" profits taxes for companies. That would have driven all of them out of this country. Some of them like the company in Griffin are going to other countries anyway because the cost of doing buisness here is too great.
I hope that we continue to give companies tax breaks so they keep jobs here in America.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:18pm.

I agree with you about windfall profit taxes. They are a knee-jerk reaction to obscene corporate profits, but the sad fact of the matter is they are very difficult to impose and collect, more trouble than they are worth in volatile markets.

Maybe we should just nationalize refineries in America *grin*


Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 12:16am.

I think we all agree on the same thing. We NEED to keep our jobs in America.

Like Davids Mom I am very encouraged that Obama has been listening to our former Presidents and also his advisers. He is willing to change from the campaign trail mantra. We have a President elect who is flexible and willing to listen to new plans and course of action.

Everytime I hear of different CEO'S and million dollar bonuses I get jealous. But, I didn't take the risk to start a new buisness. I hope that the people who do take the risk to start a buisness, will be given incentives to stay here. I will never see a million dollar bonus check in my lifetime, because I have not taken any risk.

I am very worried about our economy. I read several money newsletters and one pointed out that if our farmers do not get the loans they need to plant crops we will be deep in doo, doo. We could be looking at cereal and bread being 30-40 dollars a pop.

There is no easy answer to any or all of the problems we face. I think we do have to take care of OUR COUNRTY FIRST!!! We can't afford to send food or money to other countries. We aren't the "super-power" of days gone by. We need to take care of this country first and worry about other countries when and if we ever have a surplus of anything again.
I have one set of grandparents who lived here in this country during the great depression and another set of grandparents who came to this coutnry at the end of the great depression. I remember their stories of how they survived. It is something we can all survive. It just won't be fun. We can survive this hardship.

Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:08pm.

I'm encouraged that he is 'listening' to his advisors - and appears to hear them while developing a plan that will benefit the American people.
I think that if they (advisors) see something isn't working, they will not allow an ideological stance keep them from making changes. I agree with you - we've got to get the American 'worker' back to work! Let's see if the tax breaks for businesses that hire Americans produces the desired results.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 5:06pm.

Jeff.. Sorry came close, but no.. cigar for you.
The Stats you used was established Priour Reagan and does not take into account for Minimum wage jobs.. which were level 1 entry jobs created from the industrial boom... if you dig a little deeper you will find the revised stats that uses todays formula and applied to the Carter years.. I know it hits home, but there it is.
In todays real world numbers.. Reagan still trumps... Sorry.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:03am.

The statistics that I used came from the Office of Management and Budget from February 2005 adjusted using constant 2004 dollars. I suspect that your statistics come from the fevered minds of Rush and Sean but I'm willing to look at any reference you'd like to cite.

You just happened to pick the wrong economic categories to make stuff up about. If you want to attack Carter I suggest that you stay with the inflation stuff. But whatever...


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 9:48am.

So JeffC gives you concrete numbers that disprove your claim that Reagan-era job growth was greater than Carter-era job growth and you turn around and babble incoherently about "Priour Reagan" and minimum wage? You then claim their is some mysterious revision to these indicators that makes Reagan look better, yet you fail to tell us exactly what this revision is or give us the "revised" numbers.

Well, revisionism and Reagan generally go hand-in-hand, but until you show us the exact numbers to support your claim, I'm going to have to consider you a capital-L Liar.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 1:15pm.

...there you go again, using FACTS in your posts. How dare you! Eye-wink


JeffC's picture
Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 2:30pm.

These Republics that keep insisting on referring to politicians as "God" are creepy.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 6:36am.

And also, albeit much later, the pledge of allegiance -"One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all"

That worked for me and many others for a long time. Read it carefully, read the whole thing and think about it in light of the tax and spend PEBO who we will be led by for the next 4 years.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 9:44am.

I was referring to people who write stuff like, "I know your hero Clinton was your god" and who are constantly referring to Obama as the "Messiah". A peculiar Republican phenomena which partially explains the shrinkage of the Party. We Ds know they're just politicians, you Rs are trying to elect a Republican Jesus; although if the real one ran you wouldn't vote for him.


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Submitted by diva on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 10:48am.

You folks are so desperate to attack an administration that hasn't even happened yet and the father of a guy who you like to spar with, that you are looking silly as circus clowns. Honestly... What is your point? We should somehow rewind the clock and pretend the policies you supported worked? They haven't. I'm hoping to be part of the solution. Not sure I even know what you gents are trying to be, but I know what you apparently have become... and I'm wishing you luck with that.


Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 7:56pm.

I say AMEN to that! They are extremely creepy in using that reference.

Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 11:58pm.

comedian, aren't you with your oopps "your an ass . . ." remark! heehee

I haven't rewritten any history, but I was awake during the Reagan years. . . Plus, I don't "have anything against women" (look that up). . . I am a woman (look that up). . . I only have one god and He is God (don't look that up, that's called having Faith). . . You bring up co-pres Hillary, but Nancy was the FIRST co-pres and what a fine example she set for all the co-pres who will follow. . . I am a liberal (look that up). . . but I didn't vote for Obama (look that up) and put it in a pipe and smoke it with all the Kool-aid you've been drinking during the Repubs rule.

Since you are apparently an authority about all things political, historical, presidential, etc., you should have realized that not everything one party does is right, or correct (look that up) nor is everything the opposing party does is wrong, or incorrect (etc.). You sound like you should be old enough to realize that fact. It's not about the parties, it's about the individuals who we elect. Most, if not all, of them are liars, stupid, devious, naive and the list goes on and on. But one thing none of us are: perfect.

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Submitted by diva on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 11:03am.

The "ten count" before posting. But I personally love seeing folks "get it off of their chests." And doesn't it feel good? And the nicer thing is, as you bump into this person in Target, you'll smile and say hi, and he'll say "Hi" back, cause neither of you will realize that you were just sparring on line Laughing out loud


Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:22pm.

I didn't post without thinking about it, as you're implying with your ten count thing.

With regards to the Target comment, these are not the friendliest folks around here, so I wouldn't expect them to smile or say Hi back to me, because they haven't done it as long as I've lived here yet.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:15pm.

Now if I could just make it until 10. On the recent school board thing I made it to 2. That was the best I could do before I went off.

Have a good day.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:14pm.

I'm not sure I'll ever have any need to tie a knot in a cherry stem using only my tongue, but it's still a cool thing to know. Eye-wink


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Submitted by dawn69 on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 3:02am.

I can tie the cherry stem, too. But I can't whistle!

"That it will never come again is what makes life so sweet."
- Emily Dickinson


Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 7:34am.

Good to hear from you. Have a good day.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:18pm.

LOL, I thought you taught me that.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 4:55pm.

First.. I am a conservative not a Republican.. I lean Libertarian.. So both partys can well go fly a kite....
and yes.. I am well versed on History (being a student of it) and the Political Sciences.. (ditto)
You can not change numbers and you can not change the facts.. You can however ignore them and insert you own... and if you wish to believe it then well.. tell a lie often enough and you will start to believe it yourself... I suggest you do a little research on the Reagan years and I don't mean just the "Moveon.org" sites and you will find a more info then the "Parties" talking points... Was Reagan perfect No.. was he one of the best Presidents we have seen in awhile.. yes.


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Submitted by diva on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 11:08am.

Are you still "digging a little deeper" so that you can bring us those references?

"The Stats you used was established Priour Reagan and does not take into account for Minimum wage jobs.. which were level 1 entry jobs created from the industrial boom... if you dig a little deeper you will find the revised stats that uses todays formula and applied to the Carter years"

We are listening to you and waiting for the Bibliographical support which we know is coming post haste.

Cheers.


Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Tue, 01/06/2009 - 8:37pm.

than that to hit one of my nerves. So you think just because I replied to some of your "facts" that you got to me? Not hardly. But you can keep trying if you want.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 9:54am.

I'm sure it was an oversight on your part, but you neglected to mention that Reagan was also responsible for some of the most irresponsible deficit spending in our nation's history.

This, of course, with in line with Reagan's core philosophy: "spend now, and stick our kids with the bill".


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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 1:17pm.

Critics of President Reagan’s budget deficits should answer one simple question: Would you trade the collapse of communism, your smaller tax burden, some of your income -- and possibly your job -- in exchange for eliminating that $2.1 trillion in added debt?
Not all debt is bad. Mortgage debt and student loan debt are worthy investments. No one criticizes President Franklin Roosevelt for the massive debt that financed World War II. Yet the liberals criticizing President Reagan for the $2.1 trillion in added debt (all numbers are in today’s dollars) ignore how that debt won the Cold War, lowered the tax burden, and ignited the largest economic boom in American history.


Submitted by mysteryman on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 10:03pm.

Was the only leagacy of the Reagan era, oh yeah and star wars to.. Obama must learn to use the force, and appoint Master Jedi Mace Windu (Samuel jackson) As Bailout Czar, to enforce the rules and guidelines of the new socialist state. As Queen Amadala said "Liberty ends with thunderous applause." And Jedi Mace Windu Declares "Either they are with us or they are against us..Welcome to the galaxy not so far far away...GOD BLESS

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Sun, 01/04/2009 - 9:37pm.

Finally a fellow StarWars fan!

Well said, but Dubya beat you to it when stating: "You are either with us ,or you are with the terrorists." (just for trivia's sake it was Vader who said "Either you are with me, or you are against me", before dueling with Obi-Wan.)

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Sadly, we have become that galaxy, or maybe we always were.

In Liberty,

DarthDubious


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 11:55am.

Gee, I thought that only happened at my house. Cool
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Submitted by Nitpickers on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 6:15am.

I agree with the stuff about Jedis and engine failures! Better than restaurant talk.
Princess Pukeia and Knight Slobber have silk swords with what to fight, will scuff your nose with a flourish!
Great hordes of huns came down from the mountain and sacked the city, that is until Reagan came along and said, "just say no." Then they quit.
It appears now that Bush 2 will surpass Ronaldo Sir Reagan in spending, in trillions. Steel companies asked for a bailout of a Trillion today over two years. Didn't know we had a steel industry left. Only scarcity we have right now is proper paper to print the money upon. A loaf of bread will likely cost $14.72 within a year or so due to cheap money and inflation. What with the 30% fair tax added.
Turkey manure has been found to run cars upon. All we need to do is to continue to eat hundreds of millions of turkeys--not just a Thanksgiving and Christmas but every week. Pig slaughter farms will furnish the correct mix of pig manure to go with the turkeys to cause the internal explosions required.
Boy will the air smell good in Atlanta!
I agree with what the fellow above said and keep up the good work and the subject on course.

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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 3:14pm.

What relationship do you have with our pal Bonker$,$nit, Dollar, etc? Your grasp of the obvious concerning the Presidential dishes is extraordinary. Why, compared to the money spent on most other issues of that day, maybe we should have considered a trial by the US Senate, or what say you?


Submitted by Nitpickers on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 8:02pm.

A trial of the Reagans would have made more sense than of Clinton!

Iran Contra and Ollie and eight trillion in debt was a catastrophe!

Reagan started the tolerance of "no regulation" of business enterprises. He took away all the power for everything by not manning the departments such as OSHA, EPA, and Wall Street and Banks.

Let the taxpayer beware!

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 01/05/2009 - 1:26pm.

It was 2.1 Trillion not eight... and yes there is a difference..


Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Thu, 01/01/2009 - 12:27am.

I'm in no relationship with anyone who blogs on this site, why?

My grasp is just fine as I seem to have hit a nerve with you, buddy! I am tired of all the drivel about what a terrific president Reagan was - talk about selective memory!

Submitted by Nitpickers on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 5:46pm.

I didn't like the stargazer friend of Miss Nancy worse than the dish nonsense.
I haven't liked Miss Nancy since reading how she used to run around with the rat pack (always in the back seat).

You know Mike, your comparison of the dish thing with the military spending id ridiculous!

They were a cute couple. Run by puppet masters just like Bush 2.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 3:00pm.

These surveys are worded just about as "loaded" as are the ones by the republican party!

There is no reason for anyone to feel optimistic about 2009!

Pessimism denotes that NOTHING will go right!

And, who knows is a cop-out, since it is obvious!

Tose words are meant to describe what people say about the situation as a whole in a survey---not what they "think, as an individual.

Get the vote, then say whether pessimistic or optismistic.
Maybe everyone will say, "who knows?"

Here are some good questions:

Will the economy get worse in 2009?
Will the economy get better?
I don't know.

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