FreeSpeech for 12-24-08

Tue, 12/23/2008 - 4:17pm
By: The Citizen

Attention, law enforcement: lights on while raining IS the law and includes YOU! You could make a lot more money stopping folks that don’t abide by that law instead of stopping someone doing 40 in a 35. Both are dangerous.

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Earlier this year a reader questioned why the Peachtree City Police Department allowed officers to take patrol cars home after their shift. This does, of course, cause the city to incur the cost of fuel and wear and tear on the patrol cars, not to mention the fact that the majority of the rest of us have to pay our own commuting expenses. I have to echo this sentiment, especially in light of the city having to cut back services and jobs to help balance the budget. What really troubles me is watching one of the patrol cars being operated outside Fayette County in a manner which, if it was a regular citizen, would result in numerous citations being issued to the driver. Around 7 p.m. on Dec. 22, I observed patrol car P-14 driving in Coweta County towards Fayette County (obviously the officer must have been heading to duty). The driver of the car pulled out on to Lower Fayetteville Road in front of me without coming to a complete stop at the intersection, then proceeded to make three turns without using a turn signal before reaching the Peachtree City limits. The driver then proceeded to drive down Dividend Drive at well over the 30 mph posted (with no blue lights on). Come on, Chief Skip, if you are going to allow the officers to take the patrol cars home, at least have them operate them in a manner which is required of the rest of us citizens. If I had been a PTC officer and witnessed this behavior in the city limits, I would have been issuing enough citations to make my quota for the month.

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The comments continue about the Fayetteville Police Department. I wish the citizens would really demand some investigations. I was so upset several days ago. A couple came into Wal-Mart and had just been given a ticket for going 10 miles over the speed limit. There goes our Christmas money, she said. No thought or care is given to the fact that people are being laid off, hours cut back, etc., just keep the city treasury full. When they are hiding on Sunday morning when there is hardly any traffic in a residential area and issuing tickets 10 miles over, something is wrong. Watch some of those vehicles speeding through town at 75-80 mph.

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Pollstar lists the Spinners as coming to The Fred this July. The Spinners have been in show business for over 50 years. Come on! We’ve been down this road before. The Fred needs some younger talent to pull in the Boomers, and the even younger crowd. Any hopes that Nancy Price was going to change things for The Fred have been dashed with this pick. What’s next, the Beach Boys?

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When 30 people on a school outing show up at a local ice cream shop, at closing time (when the night’s cleaning has already began), with no advance notice (which is customary when bringing a large group) and do not even leave the minimum wage workers there a tip, that’s just rude! There weren’t any complaints or incidences, so obviously the service was good. And since this same group comes in on a regular basis, they must like the food, yet they never once leave a tip. I mean, would a dime per person be too much to ask? Come on, have some courtesy.

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I would like to send a HUGE thank you to the kind, generous, patient people I encountered at the Fayette County Tag Office around 11:30 a.m. Dec. 15. I was there to transfer tags from an old vehicle to a new one, with both my 1-month-old and 22-month-old in tow. I didn’t have all the correct paperwork, nor my checkbook with me (I’m blaming “mommy brain”) and in order to save me a trip back with both my boys later in the day, the kind gentlemen in line behind me paid my tag fee for me, saying “’Tis the season for giving.” Thank you SO much. I will be paying it forward to the tune of the $38 you loaned me this week. I hope you know how appreciative I am and that your message will be passed on this week. What a welcome reminder of the kindness of strangers even in tough times. Merry Christmas.

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Recently, some company who says they were hired to help establish future development goals in the county had a meeting at the senior center in Fayetteville. Were they trying to charm us into increasing our housing and population density and grease the way for MARTA into Fayette County? Just say, nice try, but no thanks. If we want to change our land use plan, reduce our elbow room, have public transportation, increase our crime problem and reduce our property value, we’ll move to Clayton County.

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Do you want another traffic light on Ga. Highway 54 West in PTC between Home Depot and MacDuff Parkway? If not, call or email Mayor Logsdon ( or 770-487-7657). This will be HIS decision now, and you need to let him know this will NOT be acceptable. This is so outrageous, not just for us PTC residents, but for everyone from Sharpsburg, Senoia, Newnan, Tyrone, Fayetteville and beyond who have to use this road. Who can think of a more poorly planned stretch of Hwy. 54 from Jonesboro all the way to Newnan than this half mile of untimed traffic lights that cannot even handle the traffic load NOW, much less with another new shopping center crammed in here? Council members Boone and Plunkett are the ones who signed approvals for this mess and Harold Logsdon is now the one who wants to put his finishing touches on it. Let the mayor have a clue — no, no, never, not in our town.

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Fayette County has their own group of Wall Street CEOs. They are known as Fayette County Recreation Department Basketball Referees: Overpaid idiots with too much control over something they don’t know enough about.

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In response to the parent taking offense to the actions witnessed at the Fayette County Blue Devil complex, did you take it upon yourself to address the “appalling” behavior that you allegedly witnessed at the game? Did you attempt to find out if the offending persons were from the Fayette County program? Did you bring it to the attention of anyone on the Fayette County Board of Directors? To remain reticent to the actions is giving your tacit approval. The occupants in the press box on that particular day included coaches and players from Fayette County, Peachtree City, and Sharpsburg (the referees are not affiliated with any particular park). I can tell you that the Fayette County football program encourages their players and parents to support the cheerleaders at their competition. That would be the same competition where attendees are warned against “booing” other squads. I am also not aware of the police being called to Fayette County games for unruly behavior between opposing parents. I believe a Peachtree City/Sharpsburg game can lay claim to those actions. I also did not feel the need to pull my team off of the field during warmups at Fayette County because of a profanity-laced tirade between opposing coaches of the the prior game. That also happened at a neighboring park. I have been coaching youth sports for 13 years (eight at Fayette County), and I have witnessed some of the most offensive behavior that you can possibly imagine. I can proudly say that I have not seen parents from Fayette County squaring off with opposing parks before, during, or after a game. The Fayette County program attempts to operate its facility at the highest level, and the football and cheerleading squads perform at that same level. I would suggest that you address improper behavior at the time of the offense, or bring it to someone’s attention if you feel insecure about approaching the offenders. To make general assumptions without having to identify yourself is more cowardice than not taking a stand for what you feel is proper behavior. I will say that you must have incredible artistic abilities, being able to paint with such a broad brush.

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My heartfelt thanks go out to two very special people who assisted me on Hippocket Road with my golf cart. A very special thanks to the gentleman with the blue golf cart that gave me a push while damaging his own golf cart. This extraordinary deed will always be appreciated and I do deeply regret the damage he incurred while giving me his assistance. It is proof that Peachtree City has many citizens that care about others.

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So I am sitting at the light at 54/74 and see a couple in their SUV with Coweta license plates getting ready to turn left onto Ga. Highway 74 when I spot a child less than 2 years of age standing between his daddy’s legs as the front seat passenger. I have my window down and say to myself, “What a bunch of idiots.” They overheard me and their response was “the bird.” Wow, what’s their IQ? I can’t believe they would risk the life of their child by letting him stand in the front seat with his dad and not in his car seat.

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I have noticed a dramatic change this Christmas season from the past few years that encourages me greatly. Everywhere I go shopping, the bell ringers outside and the clerks inside say, “Merry Christmas.” It seems the American public is fed up with being pushed around by the Muslims and atheists who demand that we not recognize the birthday of Jesus as Christmas, which it actually is and always has been. Way to go, America, and God bless every one of you.

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Shoo, Bush! Shoo!

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Submitted by Ga-Gal on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 6:35pm.

You really wish that citizens would demand an investigation. You say that you where so upset about the situation, and that law enforcment has no concern for those being laid off and hours being cut. Let's see here speed limits are set for a reason. You go over them you pay. You go the speed limit you don't get a ticket. It's really that simple. This person could have been ticketed in a subdivision or school zone where children are present. What if you lived in one of these areas were your children or your neighbors children could be playing? What about a school crossing? What if your child was crossing the street in a school zone? Obviously this person has no regard for others, if they did they would be obiding by the law. Why should law enforcment care if it is cutting into these peoples Christmas money. These people who know they are braking the law should be ticketed, they obviously don't care about the safety of others. Our local law enforcement catches so much greef about giving tickets, but you know what? If it wasn't for them stopping people for speeding could you imagine how many accidents and injuries there would be. Wheather it is 10 m.p.h. over the limit or going 75-80 through town. It is speeding no matter which way you look at it. Even going only 10 m.p.h over could still severly hurt someone. Their Christmas money may be gone, but at least they were not involved in an accident that could have injuryed them or an innocent person. Think that could have been you. Hopefully you will never be involved in a accident because someone was speeding. Think about that next time you hear someone complaning about getting a ticket for speeding.

Also your comment about them hiding in residental areas and issuing tickets on Sunday. Do you not realize that most churches in this area are mostly in residental areas and they are asked by the local churches to help and direct with traffic.

Just remember that what ever is at Wal-mart that you are speeding to get will still be there. After all it is Wal-mart.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 8:14pm.

The police are not trying to keep us from harming ourselves...When they are preying on the 10 mph past the speed limit people

...they either have...

nothing to do

or...are afraid to go after the bad guys...

or... again...have

nothing to do

except to bully

and a lot of free time...

the police in my area,,,,have both

nothing to do,

are bullies
and trying to make tickets to

justify their jobs!!

go to a hearing where honest people are trying to fight a ticket

you will see a kangaroo court...complete with judge who knows the policeWOMAN is having the same ...problem... with citizens over the same stop signs...and all saying in a nice way ...she is lying... and
watch the judge side with the police...

Citizens know different...our police department and their tickets are the talk and the joke of others...!

who are these people helping but themselves and an over inflated group of could start with their adding to out library people this week when people are loosing jobs and homes...but hey...just stop the jokers with their dumb tickets...!! enough is enough...I'm sure they never give tickets to those who make the decisions...I'm ashamed of them, the rest of us meant well...Barnne left, but others saw the money in the tactics...Sorry guys...the rest of us thought it would be different...merry xmass...

Submitted by Ga-Gal on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 9:21pm.

You do know that you can pick up a copy of the learners manual for driving at the DMV? Sounds like you may have a problem with some stop sign issues there. Smiling

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 8:21pm.

in case I forgot,,,I think you shave...are at least 300lbs...and are overpaid with my tax money!

Submitted by Incognito on Sat, 12/27/2008 - 4:25pm.

The way you spew your mouth, I assume that you also share very unattractive physical attributes. If someone is speeding over 10 miles per hour over the limit, then they should get a ticket. I wish they would patrol my subdivision more.
The more I see you blog, the more I rejoice in File's loss. If her adamant supporters are like you, then I am glad she was defeated. You seem to be twisted by something. Maybe your nickers are twisted. To have the much anger over a trivial thing. I chuckle at your anger.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Sat, 12/27/2008 - 11:41pm.

so are you....much more haven't heard anything out of anyone...are you worried about what they are up to? Wanting to hear noise out of everyone to see what it going on? Ho ho ...merry christmas

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 11:32am.

Wherever you are, be safe.

Tug Smiling

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 4:54pm.

i hope you and yours have a very joyous and blessed holiday season. The Hutchster and I are going to try to get in a round of golf next week...want to join in? Drop me a note.

And to Daniel R.{below} is not entirely about political correctness, but about respect for the views and beliefs of others. You and your family have a very Merry Christmas and a joyous New Year.

Keep the faith

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 4:59pm.

Merry Christmas Everyone!

Yard Dude... Be careful and watch Hutch close. His favorite club is the foot wedge.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 4:17pm.

Where are you??? We have missed your words of wisdom, oh great one.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 8:30am.

To the person who is venting about the way cops drive when they think no one is looking:

I have seen this many times but I don't think there is anything we can do about it. They have all the power. They answer to nobody.

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Submitted by SpinDr on Sun, 12/28/2008 - 10:22pm.

Skyspy - I agree that venting about how the PD drives when they think no one is looking may be futile, but unless it is printed here or video taped and sent to Chief Skip, he may never know. I think all of the PTC citizens should watch for this behavior and let the chief know of incidents - maybe then he will begin to do something about it.

I also agree that the city court judge is almost always going to side with the police even if there was serious doubt about an alleged infraction or the honesty of an officer. He is, afterall, paid by the same city as the police. He also got his job due to his low bid to sit as judge - just goes to show you that you get what you pay for.

You can't beat city hall, but you sure can make a lot of noise trying.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 6:49am.

"I also agree that the city court judge is almost always going to side with the police even if there was serious doubt about an alleged infraction or the honesty of an officer. He is, after all, paid by the same city as the police. He also got his job due to his low bid to sit as judge - just goes to show you that you get what you pay for.

You can't beat city hall, but you sure can make a lot of noise trying."

Thank you so much for that last piece of the puzzle.

I have sat there mystified as to how anyone could honestly believe the police in some of the cases. You leave wondering if you are more embarrassed by trying to prove you told the truth, or that your tax dollars paid for what you just witnessed as justice!

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 12/28/2008 - 11:47pm.

I have also seen our "finest" (using the term loosely) driving without regard to the law.

On Thurs. Dec 18th @11:45am of this year I was tailgated by our "finest" leaving our city north on Hwy 74. This jerk was speeding and weaving. I was already going 10mph over the limit, that is my limit right at 10mph over the limit. Most cops won't stop you for that. Tailgating me when I'm already 10mph over the limit will NOT make me speed up. If anything I'm so afraid that my foot falls right off of the gas pedal, sometimes it falls hard on the brake. This same speeding jerk turned left into downtown Tyrone against a red arrow. NICE!!! Cops are above the law, and there is NOTHING we can do about it. I was hoping that a sheriff's deputy would have been in the median, where they usually camp out. No luck that day. I wish I had looked for the # on the car. It was a car marked with a P for patrol, not traffic.

So I do know why the free speech person was venting. I think the way the cops drive(in our squad cars, paid for with our tax dollars) to and from their homes is disgusting also. All I was trying to say is that the crooked judge and city officials we have here will never hold any of these people accountable.

I feel that venters pain, but this is a small backwards town and there is nothing we can do about it.

Submitted by helpful lawyer on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 10:27am.

Official Code of Georgia Annotated § 40-14-8. When case may be made and conviction had

(a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.

(b) The limitations contained in subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply in properly marked school zones one hour before, during, and one hour after the normal hours of school operation, in properly marked historic districts, and in properly marked residential zones. For purposes of this chapter, thoroughfares with speed limits of 35 miles per hour or more shall not be considered residential districts. For purposes of this Code section, the term "historic district" means a historic district as defined in paragraph (5) of Code Section 44-10-22 and which is listed on the Georgia Register of Historic Places or as defined by ordinance adopted pursuant to a local constitutional amendment.

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Submitted by SpinDr on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 11:47am.

Thank you helpful lawyer. This was always my understanding. In reading the code is would appear a GSP officer could ticket you for 1 mph over the speed limit.

Anyway, if someone who was ticketed for 10 mph over the limit and it was not in a resdiential or school zone as noted, would the judge not be compelled to throw the ticket out if the driver went to court. If the judge did not, would this be a violation of the code. What is one to do in this situation.

I am not promoting speeding, but in cases where there could be a speedo error, a momentary exceeding of the speed limit or radar error, what is a driver to do?

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 7:08pm.

Join the ranks of the disenchanted...

1. They don't throw out any tickets, [they are worth money]!

2. There are no errors on their side...[only on yours]!

3. You are lying and a trouble maker, [otherwise you would just pay and stop bothering them]!

4. I'm afraid I've never seen anyone WIN in a court where the judge, police, and court appointed attorney are paid by the same people, [us taxpayers, with OUR tax dollars].

It is a joke from start to finish, and people believing in honesty and principal shouldn't be in the same room with them!

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 3:08pm.

I have noticed that I stay out of trouble by never going more than 10mph over the limit. That day in question I was not in a hurry, but in order to go with the flow of traffic I kept it right at 65. There was only one jerk who thought that even 10mph over still wasn't fast enough.

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Submitted by SpinDr on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 10:21am.

Thank you Skyspy and Suggarfoot for your comments. I agree that doing anything about the irresponsible operation and personal use of police vehicles is like charging hell with a bucket of water, but if all citizens kept an eye out for this behavior and reported it here, we would really see how prevalent the problem is and perhaps then maybe Chief Skip may be pressured to do something about it by the court of public opinion.

Better yet, if you have a camera or camcorder and can catch any of these infractions on tape, post links to them in your Free Speech posting - that would be irrefutable evidence of the infractions.

I am not casting stones at the good police officers who do not participate in these activities - but there are the select few who are responsible for the shadow cast on the entire police department.

Submitted by Daniel Ross on Tue, 12/23/2008 - 5:48pm.

Everywhere I've gone this Christmas season, many clerks and others have told me "Happy Holidays". I've turned around and said "Have a Merry Christmas!" Most of these people look at me, astonished, and reply, "Have a Merry Christmas yourself!" while looking happy and joyous. It's time we brought back the reason for the season.

Reject Political Correctness!
"Triangle Park"? Give me a break.
They should have fixed Shamrock first.

Submitted by loveptc on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 8:41am.

Just want to wish you all a Merry Christmas, and a wonderful New Year!

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