PTC’s Logsdon wants state to privatize sales tax collections

Fri, 12/12/2008 - 4:24pm
By: Cal Beverly

Mayor urges legislature to start electronic collection of sales taxes at each merchant’s cash register

The Senate Local Sales Tax Collection Study Committee met with several city and county officials Dec. 11 at the Capitol to discuss outsourcing sales tax collections.

Collecting local tax income in a more efficient manner could have a potentially enormous impact on local and state-wide revenue. State Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) chairs the committee and supports the idea of local governments having the ability to choose their preferred method of tax collection and plans for legislation to be introduced next January based on committee findings.

“These meetings have given the committee a clear picture that the current tax collection system has serious flaws,” said Sen. Rogers. “The potential solution — giving city and county officials the option to choose the most effective way to collect sales taxes for themselves — will make for increased competition between the public and private sector for collection services and ultimately provide the accountability and efficiency that citizens and local businesses deserve for their tax dollars.”

Members heard from several city and county officials who are overwhelmingly in support of having the ability to outsource their tax collection if desired.

Peachtree City Mayor Harold Logsdon testified that his city needs the most accurate sales tax data to determine the best paths for economic development.

He highlighted huge discrepancies between their local option sales tax (LOST) and special local option sales tax (SPLOST) collections, both of which are collected at the same point of sale, totaling almost half a million dollars in the last two years as one of his main concerns.

He supports privatizing collections and installing electronic controls to administer real-time point of sale collections.

Mayor Logsdon believes electronic filing could increase collections by up 21 percent, which for Peachtree City would mean over $1.5 million in increased revenue.

He noted that if the same principles were applied statewide, Georgia’s revenue total could increase by over $1 billion.

The committee also spoke with Cobb County Board of Trustees Chairman Virgil Moon. He stated Cobb County collects almost $2 billion dollars from their SPLOST and are paying the Department of Revenue $17 million dollars to administer the revenue. He mentioned multiple businesses not registered correctly with the county have led to missing SPLOST revenue.

Chairman Moon told committee members he would support an improved ZIP code system that would aid in proper business registration with their appropriate county in addition to local choice for collection services.

Speakers on Dec. 11 and several at previous committee meetings support a policy based on Alabama’s sales tax collection law that allows city and county governments to utilize private agencies to track tax revenue.

Several Alabama local government officials gave testimony earlier this year that when they began using third party collections they saw an immediate increase in government revenue.

Currently the Department of Revenue (DOR) collects all local sales and use taxes on behalf of cities and counties. Local governments are subsequently charged one percent of the amount collected, regardless of the total cost of collection, which is used by the department for administrative purposes.

The Study Committee includes Senators Mitch Seabaugh (R-Sharpsburg), John Wiles (R-Marietta), Tim Golden (D-Valdosta), Emanuel Jones (D-Decatur), and several local officials from across Georgia, whose goal is to ensure that taxpayers’ hard earned money is collected in the most efficient, low-cost manner possible by local governments.

Sen. Rogers stated that the Study Committee will hold at least one additional meeting before the start of the 2009 General Assembly. The committee members plan to introduce a draft of proposed legislation addressing local revenue collections at the final meeting that will be finalized and submitted for the upcoming legislative session that convenes Jan. 12.

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Submitted by Claude Y Paquin on Sat, 12/13/2008 - 1:32pm.

In the eleven educational articles I wrote for The Citizen in the weeks preceding the November school SPLOST vote in Fayette County, I explained much of what is stated here. I certainly made it clear that the State of Georgia keeps one percent of our local sales tax and the merchants get another one-half of one percent.

The PTC mayor is not seeking to “privatize” local sales tax collections so much as to come up with a system which gives the county all the sales tax money to which it is entitled.

The merchants who collect sales tax from Fayette County residents are expected to complete sales tax reports on which they show, county by county, the sales tax collected in each of them. Many of these merchants get sloppy with this and pick either their own county or some big county as the tax source. This happens mostly with goods delivered from outside the county. This cheats some counties of the local tax to which they are entitled, and it rewards the wrong county.

Most merchants don’t care. The State of Georgia runs this program, but it is unlikely it cares very much either.

PTC Mayor Logsdon’s proposal to tie local tax to local cash registers is unlikely to solve the problem I have described.

Peachtree City has proven pretty aggressive in hogging local sales tax, both the LOST and the road SPLOST. The city has argued that the sales tax collected in PTC belongs to PTC. The people who live in Fayette County but outside PTC often shop in PTC, because the unincorporated part of Fayette County has little commercial life. PTC is ready, willing and able to take their tax and keep it within PTC.

In past years, I have explained how the one-percent LOST cheats the residents of the unincorporated part of Fayette County of one-half of what they contribute, to the benefit of the cities (mostly PTC) in the county. Our county commissioners have gone along with this, and our citizens have never seemed to care.

The PTC mayor’s main goal is most likely to collect more money. I doubt that he cares whether it is at the expense of the rest of the county’s residents. At the very least some of us ought to let him know we have some inkling of what’s at stake. I agree with him that our sales tax dollars should not go to other counties. I don’t agree with him that county sales tax collected in PTC belongs only, or even mostly, to PTC citizens when it should belong to the whole county.

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Submitted by Mike King on Sat, 12/13/2008 - 10:07am.

Among all the recognized things that we agree that government does not do well, we now add the task of tax collection. And we end up recognizing this with the gentleman who ran and won his position based upon his experience as a financial planner.

Am I alone in fearing that we are about to release a fox in yet another hen house? This seems to me as another ploy for politicians to get their hands on our money quicker and add another layer of passed responsibility and bureaucracy on for the legal types to figure out.

Clean the problem up with the resources currently available! Show a little backbone for a change and do what it is you were sent to do. Revamp the tax collection system, if necessary, but get off your fourth points of contact and do something! State and local resource management types are not overworked, more correctly stated they are too burdened with bureaucratic bovine excrement.

Just my two cents worth.


Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 12/13/2008 - 1:39pm.

What the good mayor said was that 21% of the businesses do not pay all of their sales tax--no, 21% isn't collected from some businesses, no, anyway he doesn't get 21% of the dollars he should! I don't know who told him how much he should get!

Here is how it works now: merchants collect the sales tax for a monthly, fill out a monthly report and send in the tax money. They get to keep a small fee for doing so. For crooks, there are a myriad of ways to reduce the owed taxes. Somebody MIGHT audit you once every 10 years but they don't know what they are doing as far as catching a crook---only the honest merchants who make mistakes.

Currently, the merchant uses the sales tax about 18 days before he pays it to the government.
New method of recording the sales tax to a special bank account every day from your cash register and subtracting it from your merchant balance--even before it is there yet!

That way, the mayor would get his money tomorrow probably from the bank---maybe! At a fee, I'm sure. They charge a fortune to do the credit cards the same way.

This is a BANK idea--not a politician idea--but they like it, of course.

Bank planners are kind of "sneaky" don't you know?

Of course this function can also be rigged not to pay the 21% currently not paid but the mayor would get it quicker. So he is told!

CAN YOU IMAGINE THE FUN THAT THE FLAT TAX PROGRAM WOULD COLLECT FOR THE BANKS AND HOW MANY MERCHANTS WOULD BE MADE REAL CROOKS--SO MUCH MONEY WOULD BE INVOLVED? We would be talking 25-30% instead of 5-7% tax at the register!!!!!!

I'm afraid there aren't many "thinkers" around nowadays as far as finance is concerned!

Program sounds horrible for collection also for black market trades, fruit stands, Internet sales, horse and knife trading, and many other inventions to come.

I, myself have a warehouse full of stuff you can have--less the register tax---fer cash on the barrel head!
Man, high-jacking would be rampant, wouldn't it? There would be a black market store on every block in South Atlanta, and of course New Jersey!

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Submitted by Mike King on Sat, 12/13/2008 - 4:58pm.

Reading your posts is quite akin to a "box of choclats, you just never know what you'll get" with credit to the movie Forest Gump. An opinion based upon a lifetime of wonderment. You have obviously led a sheltered existence, and are indeed a credit to genetic engineering.

Is there perhaps one bit of subject matter of which you would be unfamiliar?


Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 12/13/2008 - 5:37pm.

I think in possibilities, of what I have read from more than one source! Logic is at the base of such assumptions. Anyway, there are so many crooks about nowadays, it is relatively safe to say that someone is after an advantage in any new confusing "system."

It is just a matter of "what could happen or how could it be done?" Brainstorming, in other words. Forget politics, friends, personal gain and aggrandisement, and come up with the one best way!

Something we forgot in Viet Nam and Iraq.

When we had Industry, they used to teach us how to think in such terms. That no longer is done. We must now only learn by mistakes, and the most popular saying any more is, "he is only human, and people make mistakes!" I hear it every day, everywhere.

Yes, there are many things with which I do not have much familiarity, but determining direction or what the problem is has nothing to do with precise expertise!

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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Fri, 12/12/2008 - 5:49pm.

I'll be glad to count all the sales tax dollars, and I'll only charge a one percent commission.

Now that is a bargain.

But first I have to finish a deal I have set up with the governor of Illinois.


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