Push still on to vote by district

Tue, 01/31/2006 - 4:54pm
By: John Munford

The process of electing Fayette County commissioners could radically change if a bill authored by local legislators is approved by the Georgia General Assembly.

If approved, the bill would force Fayette to abandon the at-large voting process in favor of a district process, which would establish geographical districts in which only voters of those districts could vote for that particular seat on the five-person commission.

Currently in the at-large process, all voters in the county can vote for each and every commission position.

Creating the district voting process would likely ensure minority representation on at least one county commission seat, particularly because of the demographic shift in north Fayette over the past few years.

Rep. Virgil Fludd, chairman of the five-member Fayette House delegation, said district voting is necessary because of the variety of values in the county held by voters in different areas of Fayette.

“The concerns of people who live in Brooks and Woolsey are different than the people who live in places like north Fayette or Tyrone,” Fludd said.

Although at-large voting can work well in small counties that are homogenous politically, the process doesn’t fit a county the size of Fayette, which has more than 100,000 people now.

Rep. Dan Lakly, who opposes creating the district voting process, suggests the concept should be left up to Fayette voters on a referendum later this year.

The bill does not have unanimous support from all Fayette house members. Lakly and Rep. John Yates, both Republicans, have not signed onto the bill, which is supported by Fludd and Reps. Roberta Abdul-Salaam and Darryl Jordan, all three Democrats, have signed onto the bill.

The House only requires that the legislation have a majority of the delegation voting in favor of a bill for it to be voted on by the entire House, Lakly said.

Fludd said the legislation would need to reach the House floor for a vote before the 33rd day of the session because that’s the deadline for approval of legislation to be considered by the Senate.

Meanwhile, the pending special election to fill the seat vacated by the death of Commissioner A.G. VanLandingham features five challengers, four of whom are African-American.

That’s not telling of the true problem with at-large voting, Fludd said, adding that only two of the candidates in the field are Democrats. Although Fludd said he is “still open to other ideas” such as the referendum, he noted that several public meetings about district voting have been held across the county to gauge public opinion on the matter.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 4:57pm.

I will tell you what I think is really behind district voting, and you're not going to like it.

Black folks are a lot smarter than you think, and they know when they're being discriminated against, no matter how much the white folks protest and try to fool them.

I am persuaded (as a white person, but a smart one who does not get fooled that easily) that there is a lot of racial (and other) discrimination in Fayette County, and that in the anonymity of the voting booth those who piously but often hypocritically protest they are not racist do in fact let their hair down and reveal their real racist selves.

Two fairly recent examples come to mind.

In the 2000 election, Aubrey VanLandingham was facing Frank Oakley in the race for county commissioner. Oakley had a distinguished military career, he had an MBA degree, and he ran an executive search firm, an indication he was a talented man with a good education and solid background. VanLandingham, in contrast, had not graduated from college and had held low-level maintenance jobs for Ralston Purina. So who did the Fayette County people elect county commissioner? VanLandingham. Oakley, by the way, is black; VanLandhingham was white.

In the 2004 election, incumbent commissioner Herb Frady, who has been described by fellow commissioners as failing to prepare for meetings (by not reading materials he is expected to read ahead of time), and unable to focus on the topic at hand, probably an indication of senility, and who also has a limited education short of college, faced a candidate (whose name I don't recall) who had been deputy chief of police for the city of Detroit. So who did the Fayette County people elect county commissioner? Frady. The police chief, by the way, is black; Frady is white.

When the people choose incompetent or unqualified white candidates over much better qualified black candidates, it does not take a genius to figure out why.

It is out of kindness, I think, that the members of the black community in Fayette County have not protested any more loudly. If the white folks are hell-bent on electing candidates with limited education and dubious competence, it would make sense to carve out districts which allow competent and well-educated candidates to be elected.

District voting is a good idea, not matter what the circumstances. In Fayette County's case, at-large voting has simply served to dumb down the intellectual level of our elected officials. It is time the truth be told.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 9:54pm.

I suggest you find a County that elects officials based on the way you think. It's laughable that you try and tell us how we should think/vote.

I agree with the comment below, sounds a lot like Steve Brown.

Submitted by dkinser on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 8:38pm.

I don't underestimate anybody based upon the color of their skin, but rather their comments and actions. Your comments makes me think that skin color may be the basis of your judgement in many cases.

In trying to right a wrong that was previously applied to the black race, our society today has actually reversed itself. White people are afraid to say anything lest they be labeled a racist. Today, many blacks are more racist than most whites. Good example, Mayor Nagin and his infamous chocolate city remark. Reverse that and we have mayhem, but a black can say it and get away with it. Where is the equity in that? Why didn't the educated black society condemn him for his comments and see to it that he was summarily booted out? Action, or lack of action by the black society is what makes this race inbalance stay where it is.

Across the county line in Clayton County, a highly talented District Attorney was removed from office, not because his opponent was skilled; but because she was the right color. She had no qualifications to fulfill that role and that is apparent in the lack of conviction in a tragic shooting death of a 16 year old girl. Likewise, a highly skilled Sheriff was removed and replaced with a man that lacks talent and education. He is bleeding the county dry with his actions and lawsuits, but he was elected again based upon color of skin.

As for your comment on blacks knowing when they are being discriminated on, so do whites. We just don't play the victim so well. What happened to Rodney King was wrong, but lost in the "I'm a victim" was the fact that he had committed crimes.

You lambast Herb Frady for a lack of education, but that makes me wonder what type of person would judge the other by his education status. Hmmm, maybe an education racist? Mr. Frady is a fine outstanding gentleman. All the college education means is that person is trainable. I have known alot of college educated people that are dumb as dirt. Their degree didn't leave much of an impression and I felt they should have gotten a refund on their degree.

But lets talk about district voting and set your racist comments aside. In an at large election where the candidate must reside within a district but is held accountable by the entire county, that person must perform to the standards of the entire community and not just a sampling of it. They work as a team to accomplish good things for our entire community.

In your beloved district voting, they are accountable only to the few. You could have a white supremacist elected in a community that nobody really wants save those that elected him, and guess what, he stays because a select few vote for him time and again. With county wide accountablility, that doesn't happen.

With our current method of election, each Commissioner represents their district, but they are still held accountable by the entire county. Again look east to Clayton County to see what your district voting brings. Commissioners that's sole focus in on improving only their district since that is all they have to account for, and nothing of value is accomplished. Or if something is, it is done in backroom politics so that there is a payback someday.

I'm not a racist and I would vote for Condoleeza Rice over Hilary Clinton any day because I feel she would make a better President. What about you?

By the way, is eyinvest really Steve Brown? hmmm.....

Dana Kinser

Submitted by did not know on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 8:11pm.

What sums yours and Fudd's thoughts up is simply, if we can't get a black in one way...we will just do it another, regardless of what is right or wrong, and go behind the taxpayers/voters backs! I'm sorry you and Fudd feel that way, that it is your God given right to run d over the rest of us, thinking of yourselves as avenging angels, but untill you start paying my taxes, you are NOT! There WILL BE SOME ACCOUNTABLITY for this, and you are not gonna cover it all up by saying you know what is best for us! You pig head...go back to Boston!

Submitted by GeorgiaPeach on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 5:21pm.

It appears you are the one who is racist. Frank Oakley wanted to bring MARTA to Fayette County and basically had no platform. He had no name recognition. He ran a poor campaign. VanLandingham had run previously and was well known. He was also a personable fellow and presented himself very well. Education and race had nothing to do with this election.

The other race you mention was Dave Simmons vs. Harb Frady. Again, Herb is well known and has good name recognition. Herb has lived here many years. Dave was fairly new to the area. He had very little help in his campaign and very little money. Again race and education had nothing to do with this election.

The voting public doesn't seem to have a rhyme or reason for how they vote. Otherwise how would Bill Clinton been elected and reelected.

This is a Republican county. The Republicans don't whine to change the way of voting in say Atlanta or DeKalb County to get Republicans elected. Those areas are Democrat areas so they elect Democrats. We are Republican so we elect Republicans.

This upcoming special election will likely produce a black county commisioner who will be elected county wide.

As for kindness from the black community in Fayette County - don't make me laugh. Apparantly you have not been watching "one issue" Virgil Fludd. He is determined to force district voting whether the citizens like it or not. Countywide voting works better because all the commisioners are accountable to all the citizens. We like it that way.

Submitted by dkinser on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 3:51pm.

By Virgil Fludd pushing this onto a county of which he has little representation in, he is promoting racism purely and simply.

His attempt is driven solely by race and not by the will of the people, as he isn't even letting us have a say in this. He is simply representing a specific race's desire and not the majority of the people's will.

It is attempts like this that keep racism alive in America today. Supposedly the Civil Rights movement was about equality. How does this proposal of his equate into equality? It's his way or no way.
Let us vote on it and we all live with the results. That is equality. Government is about representing all of the people and not special interest groups or races.

Currently our State has been afforded the luxury of having it's first Republican lead government, and we should exploit that and push to kill this bill on the floor.

Contact your elected Representatives, including the Governor; and press them to kill this bill.

Speaker of the House, Glenn Richardson, glenn.richardson@house.ga.gov
Ronnie Chance, Senate, rchance@legis.state.ga.us
Dan Lakly, Representative, dlakly@mindspring.com

Governor Perdue can be contacted by this link: http://www.gov.state.ga.us/contact_dom.shtml

Tell them your feelings and ask that they do what they were elected to do, represent the people and not special interests. They should gather the Republican's and kill this bill before it passes.

Dana Kinser

Submitted by did not know on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 1:21pm.

It is ... WRONG.. for Mr Fludd to go behind our backs and try to get something like this voted in. He must feel certain that if 'we the people' got OUR choice on a ballot, it wouldn't come out the way he wanted. Sadly however, he will probably get his way. The reason is, its not about Democrat vs Republican, it's about the old game, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". Someone will agree to vote for this in exchange for a vote on something they want, like something that might be bad for the wetlands etc, or pro developer over taxyer. Then, we the taxpayers are again the losers, deprived of yet another choice on the ballot. This is an outrage!

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 1:52pm.

These two subjects seem to be the only thing anyone has much to say about. District voting is not a bit different than individual states voting electors in the national Presidential and Vice-Presidential election. If we went with the majority of votes cast instead, then Al Gore would be our President. Too bad it didn't happen.
The problem with kids not being able to attend a better school if they want is because some counties feel that they pay more county taxes than other counties. School money shouldn't come from home ownership mostly, and the problem wouldn't exist. Remember the old "seperate but equal" schools---they weren't. If we are ever going to solve the problem we must stop these selfish fights.

Submitted by pandora on Thu, 02/02/2006 - 7:10am.

Doppler,
your comments only serve to show the difference between democrats and republicans, regardless of the color of their skin. The dems whine that something isn't fair and expect the government to fix it for them. District voting "works" for larger areas - representing the huge differences between Metro Atlanta and rural south Georgia, between Georgia and California. And by "works" I mean the diverrse areas are represented, although through the tremendous waste created by district-only thinking and pork barrel politicking deals. The waste that's just harder to see and easier to absorb in a huge state or federal budget. We don't need that kind of "you spend for me, I'll spend for you" approach in Fayette County.

Submitted by did not know on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 2:31pm.

If you don't think going ..AROUND.. the voters isn't selfish, I have some swamp land to sell you. If you don't think going to another school district where someone else pays the taxes for their kid to get a good education isn't selfish and you deserve a free ride on their backs....dito! You seem to think Fayette county taxpayers are rolling in money...we are not! and what we do have has come DEARLY for a LOT of us....and I for one have never attempted to get something for nothing at the expense of others....Yes expense, someone has to pay for it. If I used your reasoning I might as well prance my little self up to one of the million dollar houses they are building and tell them to let me have it. I want a nicer house just as much as the people who have the money to buy them. On the way, I think I'll drop my kid off at Woodward. No doubt they would understand my rights too!

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 11:22am.

It must be painfully obvious, because I can't see or understand why this is.

Submitted by historybuff on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 2:56pm.

He became chairman because there are three democrats and two republicans and they elect the chairman among themselves. Virgil only got 2000 votes in Fayette County, but he thinks he is the ruler of the county. The other two democrats only have a very small portion of the county. They have no real interest in this county so they so just go along with Virgil. We can thank the former democrat controlled state legislature for the way Fayette County is chopped up. The number one culprit is Greg Hecht who was our State Senator then and on the reapportionment committee. He was so busy forming a district for himself to run for congress that he sold us down the river. The district he was forming for himself for congress was won by David Scott. HA HA .Folks, remember this about Greg Hecht who is now running for Lt. Gov. We have very poor representation at the state legislature. The citizens need to be up in arms about this district voting issue. Virgil Fludd is a one issue representative. Can anyone name anything else they have ever heard from him. We need to stop him.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 3:47pm.

You talk about poor representation in the State Legislature. I'm used to that, having lived in Henry County for 9 years, up until Summer 04.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 11:21am.

I know I did. Fayette doesn't need any advice from folks who live in Clayton County.

My Rep in PTC is Lakly, District 72 and Senator is Chance, District 16.

Find out exactly who your is and let them know how you feel.

Submitted by historybuff on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 3:01pm.

Yes, we should let our representatives know how we feel. Unfortunately two of our representatives live in Clayton County plus Virgil Fludd who may as well live somewhere else when it comes to looking out for the good of Fayette County.

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Submitted by CarpeDieminPTC on Wed, 02/01/2006 - 10:30am.

A year ago Mayor Brown welcomed with open arms the Democrats who were trying to carve up our county to be more friendly to the Democratic voters, aka blacks who have moved into the northernern/eastern section of our county.

Many called Virgil on it, but the public did not become engaged, and we have this second attempt placed upon us to do the Democrats will.

Remember, Democrats controlled Fayette county for over a century. It wasn't until the very recent two decades that we began leaning and are now strongly republican. Why change it now?

Because Democrats are the masters of deception. If they can't win by playing by the rules, then they need to change the rules.

Virgil Fludd talked about fair representation. He meant, a black can't be elected by racist republicans....Yet when the very first post opens up, what do we have four blacks running, two of them republicans....

This doesn't make a difference to him or the Democrats. Its about power, plain and simple and if the Fayette County base doesn't tell Ronnie Chance to stop this in the Senate, we may very well be due what we are about to get. (If you sell us out Ronnie, I can personally guarantee a strong opposition push against you come election day.)

We are at a turning point, either we keep our quality of life and competence of government, or we become another Clayton County....

I did see a new TITLE PAWN SHOP in Fayetteville....Now we need some more liquor stores, and of course some check cashing shops where thick bullet proof glass protects the cashiers...

The Democrats have done so well for Clayton, why not let them tell us how to run our lives too.

Seize the Day in Peachtree City


Submitted by Dalmation195 on Tue, 01/31/2006 - 8:01pm.

Here we go with another group of politicians attempting to tell us how we should elect our local officials. They are all Democrats, and therefore know that they can't get elected in a county wide race. Instead of trusting the whole block of voters to decide on our own how we should elect our commissioners, Mr Fludd and his partners want to force their will on the rest via a new law (which is enforced by the government and guns).

My question is to Mr. Fludd and the rest of the co-sponsors of this bill. Do you not trust the whole group of Fayette County citizens to vote on this matter, and then you will abide by their decision? Or is it that you already know what the outcome will be, so you will attempt to get this bill passed and force your way upon the rest of us (and probably a majority of the county citizens) and not let us vote in a referendum?

Either way, I want a chance to voice my opinion at the ballot box. If the majority of Fayette County citizens vote for district voting, then I will go along and be happy. After all, matters of such local importance should have the voice of the locals!

Maybe the New Englander's have it right when they have their town hall meetings for citizens to voice their opinions.

Mr. Fludd, please find something more constructive to debate on the floor of our Statehouse. We do not want district voting.

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