‘Hidden racism’ in Obama vote? How about just plain political differences?

Tue, 11/18/2008 - 4:57pm
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Last week’s letter to the editor about the “Obama effect” and hidden racism was nonsensical. I found it self-righteous, offensive to Americans and white Southerners.

We received a glowing description of the wonders of an Obama election bringing hope and change from the current chaos in our lives. It was a wonderful rendition of how a majority showed no prejudice and voted a black man President.

He gave us a glowing description about this wonderful, articulate, charismatic, and intelligent man.

Then we received several paragraphs about cockroaches, ignorant people and hidden prejudices. The latter because this self-described “older white man” said he had been witness to several jokes regarding President-elect Obama, all with racial overtones. Then we got “shame on America” and the “closet bigots” being a reflection of the demographics of the South.

Give me a break. You are full of more giblets than next week’s turkey. The bigotry you are so painfully aware of may be in the mirror. Did you move here to be warm and find out we don’t agree with your politics?

Are you unhappy you now live in a red state? This state is red because it is conservative. Have you noticed a lot more American flags flying here? Have you noticed there is a church on almost every corner? Does the term “bible belt” mean anything to you?

We rejected Mr. Gore and Mr. Kerry because they are liberal. Your Senator Obama was more liberal than them, so we rejected him also.

The majority of Southern white folks couldn’t give a whit what color you are, but they care about your character. We agree with Dr. King. A man should be judged by his character, not by the color of his skin.

You run Clarence Thomas against any liberal Democrat and Judge Thomas will get the Southern white vote by a landslide.

Just because you are in the national voting majority today doesn’t make you right by our standards. And we won’t stand by and have you protest “shame on America” and infer we’re bigots because we vote different than “up north.”

Do you know there are bigots up north, too? You told us bigots here feel comfortable telling you jokes with racial overtones. What does that say about you? Did you call them “cockroaches” too, or just smile and head for your pen?

You can stop that by not putting up with it. Do what we Southern conservatives do. “Thump ‘um” with your bible. They’ll learn to leave you alone.

But know this. By inauguration day, we’ll have licked our wounds, and we’ll support our new president. We have seen how shameful and damaging it is when the other party does all it can to belittle and demean the president. We know what happens when congressional leaders put party ahead of country. We won’t do that.

Jim Sells

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by Tony Gattis on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 11:21pm.

This comment tells me either you weren't here during the nineties or you are being intentionally obtuse.

We have seen how shameful and damaging it is when the other party does all it can to belittle and demean the president. We know what happens when congressional leaders put party ahead of country. We won’t do that

The GOP has always been a party more about the party than the nation. And in the nineties they were relentless towards Bill Clinton. Were you as gracious then? or were you one of the cheerleaders cheering Newt et al on in their efforts to undo the will of the electorant in 1992. Where do you think the phrase; "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their Party" came from? It was the GOP.

BTW, Mitch McConnell has already declared that he as Minority Leader is going to do everything in his power to thwart Obama. So tell me again what your party "doesn't do".

Submitted by loanarranger707 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 10:34am.

There are many signs some things are wrong in the South.

The excessive number of churches suggests religiosity run amok.

I doubt there are any more U.S. flags displayed in the South than anywhere else, especially as they still compete with Confederate flags in many places.

Only in the South is the word “liberal” used as a sign of contempt and then liberally applied to people who are disliked for no particular reason. You want somebody to be disliked, you call him liberal. Liberals are open-minded and tolerant, so it is easy to see that it would be difficult for some locals to qualify.

The letter that triggered Jim Sells’ response may have been over the top, and I confess I might not have read it, but the response indicates a bit too much pride in character traits that are not particularly admirable.

There have been many statistical studies that have shown the South to be lagging compared with the rest of the nation, in areas like education, health and income. To contemptuously label as liberal, and reject, the people who would seek to make improvements in these areas is not being conservative. It is being dumb.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 8:50pm.

Two questions for you..Do you live here? If you do, Why?

Tug Smiling

Submitted by loanarranger707 on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 10:44am.

Sure I live here. Do you want to buy my house (for a fair price)? I even voted for the ESPLOST to try to make it more attractive for a family with lots of children. (At least I was in the majority on that.)

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Submitted by Tug13 on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 10:48am.

No. I'm trying to find enough money to buy a car. Smiling

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 8:58pm.

How you doing girl, nice to finally put a face to the name the other day, hope you're doing OK, I'll give your money to the Cy man tomorrow.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Tug13 on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 10:33am.

I don't know if I told you thank you for giving the money to Cy. If I didn't, thanks. It was a pleasure meeting you. You're just as nice and kind as I thought you would be. Now you can say I'm a friend you have met. Smiling
Check out the Citizen photos of Sheriff Randall's retirement tribute.

Hope your cold is better.
Tug Smiling

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 2:07pm.

I'm still jealous. Eye-wink
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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 7:47pm.

The excessive number of churches suggests religiosity run amok.

I'm curious, what would be an acceptable number of churches to satisfy you?

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 7:55pm.

I am no expert on this subject, but I know in PA where I am from there seems to be a natural law that results in roughly an equal number of taverns and churches in the towns.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."

Submitted by wildcat on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 8:17am.

I used to live in Iowa and I remember there being a LOT of bars, probably more bars than churches. Also, one could buy liquor in the Eckerd drug store! I'd never seen that before.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 10:13pm.

in most of the Eckerd's Drugstores. There was a wall separating the drugstore from the liquor side--same building two entrances. Both sides did a flourishing business. I think most of the Eckerd's are now something else--some CVS, some RiteAid, so don't know if liquor store sections are still open as such.

Submitted by wildcat on Sun, 11/23/2008 - 9:30am.

Miss.placed called me last night to remind me of the Scrub Pub, a laundromat/bar that we used to go to (in Iowa). One would think that it would be a horrible place to take small children, but there was never any bad/drunken behavior. Most just bought a beer while they sat our their cycles. The worse thing was the cigarette smoke, but 20 years ago there were no laws against smoking inside. Can you imagine all the clever little shop names one could come up with if we had bar/store combos in Fayette County?!!!

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 9:09am.

Especially up North. We hide most of our drinking down south and instead of a couple of beers at a bar, we drink a half fifth at home!

Cathoplics have nothing agains drinking--nothing at all as long as the aren't arrested or get mean!
Baptists claim to be against it, but drink about as much as anyone, however secretly.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 1:30pm.

Are you feeling a bit hemmed in by Baptist's? Eye-wink

Maybe this is why:


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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 11:01pm.

Interesting map. It seems pretty accurate, as my "yellow" background is predominant just about exactly where it indicates.

I just had an informal interview tonight with a school from the predominantly orange area. I think I prefer red to orange, as, among other things, orange seems to flourish on the God-forsaken tundra.

Speaking of colors, I was kept awake all night (until 2:30, anyway) in my Boston hotel room by a pulsating bass and drum sound. I almost stormed down into the lobby in my jammies to complain.

I just learned this morning that the roof just below my 9th story window covers the theater in which the so-called "Blue Men Group" has a semi-permanent residence.

I think I'm beginning to hear it again tonight.

I want to slide the window open and yell, "DIE, YOU BLUE BAS_ _ _ _ S!"


"Puddleglum" by Weatherwax (one of the Muddlings).

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Submitted by Nitpickers on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 6:17pm.

Doesn't that red map show those people who voted all republican for the last eight years? Not one democrat!
There are all kind of scoundrels, many of them reverends and wives, but voting against Clinton and others due to his indescritions would be OK, providing they did the same for such as the perverts, Fathers, and corporate crooks of their own. They don't however.

I voted for Clinton and this time McCain because they were the best at governing at the time-=-I simply can't vote a straight ticket all of the time!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 8:04pm.

I did a google map search of my old neighborhood (90250) and it appears to be more churches there then here. Of course, there are more bars in my old "hood" then here. Maybe that could be a subject for another blog. Smiling
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 8:19pm.

The bar to church ratio of an area.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."

Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 7:33pm.

People come from other areas and then blast the people here. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why someone would move somewhere where they are unhappy and/or so out of step with the "natives." Even more perplexing is why they stay if the atmosphere is so tainted to them. I know I would not stay anywhere I was not happy. Could you please explain this to me??

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 11/22/2008 - 5:08am.

I can answer why they come and criticize!

They come, number one, because they generally have to do so!

Number two, it is different than where they lived before!

People don't like change, number three.

There are faults in every section of the country--if you don't think so, be required to move to Cleveland due to work or sick folks, and see if you just love everything!

But politics and religion are usually the real problems!

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 12:11pm.

That was a good one. "Liberals are open-minded and tolerant" ?????

Huh?? Ummm, since when?

You haven't been reading this blog board very much. You will have to show me the posts that support the tolerance for conservative southerners.

If the south is really so bad Air Tran is ready when you are.

I love the south. I love the weather, and the people. Southerners have the best manners of any place I have ever lived. I love the generous southern hospitality that I have received since I moved here. No one place is perfect, but this is pretty close.

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Submitted by diva on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 5:30pm.

If a girl has a baby in high school, unwed, who do you honestly think will be more accepting? If a girl or guy in high school comes out of the closet, who will be more tolerant of their desires to find long lasting relationships? Who will support the gay or lesbian couple's desire to one day raise children? Who will be more likely to welcome kids from a failing, poor school system into their own more affluent (and now SPLOST-infused) school system? Be honest with yourself, Sky. Where have more interracial , gay, lesbian, or otherwise (non-traditional) couples found animosity? San Fran?

When you talk of tolerance towards conservative southerners, please put it in context. What are liberals like myself asking southerners to change in their lives or adopt? Are we telling southern conservatives who they can marry or how they can pray? Are we limiting the books they can read or the people they can kiss on the mouth?

Now, if you are saying that liberals are intolerant of southern conservatives' desires to project their own religious morals on others,
I agree. Any other argument you care to make, I'm all ears... like Obama Smiling

Submitted by loanarranger707 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 12:37pm.

Liberal adj. 1. broad-minded tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others 2. progressive politically or socially favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual 3. generous freely giving money, time, or some other asset (e.g. My great-aunt was liberal in her bequests.) 4. generous in quantity large in size or amount (e.g. a liberal helping) 5. not literal not limited to the literal meaning in translation or interpretation (e.g. a liberal interpretation of the rules) 6. culturally oriented concerned with general cultural matters and broadening of the mind rather than professional or technical study (e.g. a liberal education) 7. of political liberalism relating to a political ideology of liberalism — noun liberal person somebody who favors tolerance or open-mindedness.

I doubt that those who assail “liberals” ever read a dictionary. Do they even own one? Have they ever seen one? Do they know what a dictionary is?

(The above definition comes from the Second Edition Encarta Webster’s Dictionary of the English Language.)

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 12:57pm.

Ummm, I think everybody understands the definition of the term "liberal", we just have yet to see it in action.

Are you the picture of "liberal tolerance" that we should all strive to emulate?

Submitted by loanarranger707 on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 1:20pm.

Woop-de-doo! Skyspy got tricked into reading the dictionary!

Now, of course, he is not too happy to have found out his notion of "liberal" is out of step with the rest of the world's.

I've been putting up with the likes of you for a long time, skyspy, so I must be the picture of "liberal tolerance" you should strive to emulate. The answer is yes.

Submitted by Lawdawga on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 11:21am.

My initial response to loanaranger707...."if you don't like the south, leave"....but, after some thought, my final response..."if you don't like the south and its southerners, please leave."


Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 10:48am.


I'm sure the folks up NORTH are much more to your liking.

Liberal/Conservative terms have been around for years.

Oh yeah, fly whatever flag you like on your property, and let others do the same.

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Submitted by zoes on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 10:39am.

Many a liberal are so open-minded his/her brains fall out.

"Never love anything that can't love you back."

Submitted by Hey on Wed, 11/19/2008 - 8:53am.

Thank you Jim. I thought the same thing when I read that ridiculous letter to the editor.

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Submitted by diva on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 5:43pm.

Why do you think democrats do not usually attack people using broad brushes like.. "He's a conservative," or "She's a trial lawyer!" Why do liberals not use "Ivy League" as some type of jab? Why do conservatives, when politically expedient, attack whole professions? Remember when Kerry and Edwards ran? Conservatives had a field day with "ambulance chasers" and "trial lawyers." Remember, at that time, the economy's problem was magically "litigation" and the "litigious society" and "frivolous law suits." Wow, now that the opponent was a community organizer, the problem became poor people making big banks give them risky loans. Interesting.

We liberals just get confused with ultra-patriotic people that fly Confederate flags. We find it interesting that people who are 100% real Palin Americans still see a "left coast" and feel "Massachusetts" is a dirty word (and incredibly hard to spell.)

We like Georgia, but why ask us to leave when we dare question the whole Dixie outfitter cotton-picking shirt thing? do you show people the door every time they dare question the "southern heritage-not hate" thing? I love the south. I've spent my life in it. But I still think it's "interesting" seeing the Nashville and Stone Mountain monuments to Generals who wished this nation had fractured into two parts.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 10:30pm.

I view the upset homosexual population in California as the true picture of liberal tolerance. Regardless of what position you hold, can you truly be accepting of how they are treating those who dissent from them?

I am confused by liberals who beat their chests over indignanties from the political right, who then wink at and overlook what the political left has to dish out. The liberals who truly believe that their way of thinking is the correct way, and therefore any tactic is justified as morally right, regardless of the morality actually involved.

I also find it interesting that those on the political left are very quick to use vulgar methods that they supposedly condemn. The left are more apt to race or gay - bait an opponent before those on the right will. I found it fascinating while in the Army, that the most discriminating that I ever saw was when African Americans made fun of and would not sit with or socialize with soldiers from an actual African country. It would have been laughable except the allied soldiers were truly hurt by their "racial brethern"

Diva, be careful wrapping yourself around your righteous belief in your political and social superiority. Most of it is like the emperor's new clothes. Liberalism in its extreme will make Atlas shrug, count on it.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 11/21/2008 - 5:54pm.

Cool off and go have a brew or two. Save yourself for tomorrow. Smiling
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