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Check out this surfing video called Blue Safari. Brings back a lot of fond memories. These are all the beachs the Beach Boys noted in the song Surfin' USA.

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Submitted by Nitpickers on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 7:15pm.

Having read for several days the comments about some here with cancer, I have become somewhat confused by the sharp turn in attitudes that occur occasionally.
Most of us will simply drop dead from aheart attack or be killed in some fashion accidently, but to die of a destructive, long lasting disease seems to bring on public religion in an unusual fashion!

I realize that psychologically the constant knowledge of impending death, along with obvious pain destined to cause the need for intense pain treatment in many cases, does cause mental anguish much greater than someone with a bad ticker, terrible arthritis, diabetes, MS, MD, and scores of others, but it is after all the same destiny.

What I want some fedback about, if you care to , is why all the public offerings of prayer to God? I personally offer my recognition of a Creator mostly in silence and not publically.

What I want to know is do you discuss such things, along with side trips surfing in the ocean, beach vacations, and good beer, as a treatment for yourself or the victim?

Even job hunting now has become the burden of one's religion! I don't believe that I ever connected the two before.

One doesn't have to be a monk all of the time with all of the personal responsibilities we take on but, it is not meant to be religion on demand either--one has to be assured in their mind that he is OK, and constant foregiveness for avoidable indiscretions should not be the game!
I'm not defining religion but the on-off actions of some do puzzle me.

Even our clergy seem to be, for the most part, just as weak in assurance as anyone else!

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 10:45pm.

You have once again pushed me to add you to my prayer list. Your daily negative sniping has now earned you one month on the "list". Do want to make it 2 or 3? Keep all of your negative comments coming. Do I hear 4 months?

A few people here seem really special. Special enough to touch the hearts of most of the regular posters, why do you have to crap all over it? You draw more bees with honey. When you see our posts to each other please skip over them if you don't like what we say.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 6:16am.

I have found that some call others "negative," when they don't like the request or what was said. It isn't always negative.

No problem would ever be resolved if nothing adversarial were ever said. Feel good stuff is for ball games and bars.

I simply asked a clear and honest question as to why somethings occur the way they do. Religion is either personal or a full-time thing.

If I must pretend agreement with some to have them as a friend then I will leave them to their own ilk, personally.
However this is a public forum, and would be very dull with constant
conversation about their religion and how dumb some are for having a different view about not only religion but also politics.

I myself have had bouts with sickness, still do, but I would feel extremely odd asking for and then thanking strangers for their sympathy on the Internet. Even bothering you with such things seems odd.
That is all I meant. I really thought I might get at least some wisdom about my question as to why, mentally, public discussion of prayer, etc., is necessary. You must know that most of it is pretend or unknowable as to results.
Psychological suffering from disease may one day be cured by medicine if we will allow the research to do so. However we will still die in our turn.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 11:22am.

"I would feel extremely odd asking for and then thanking strangers for their sympathy on the Internet. Even bothering you with such things seems odd."

It may seem odd for some folks who are still only used to friendship via face-to-face contact and interaction. The internet has changed our lives in so many ways... heck, look at how Obama used the internet to build his strong base of supporters! We've built an online community here, with Cal's help, and these online communities exist throughout the world, numbering in the millions, all interacting with each other, their lives, joys and heartaches, health and personal issues... it's a new age, Nit, the "internet age."


Submitted by Nitpickers on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 12:18pm.

Be careful about internet strangers!
You see what happened to Sarah M. Palin! (French President's call)

It is estimated that 2 out of 5 on the internet are NOT what they appear to be!

Just a place to have fun!

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Submitted by muddle on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 12:22pm.

It is estimated that 2 out of 5 on the internet are NOT what they appear to be!

Actually, my experience here has been that 2, possibly 3, out of 5 are really only 1 out of 5.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 7:37am.

While wulfman did thank us for our sympathy, nowhere on here did he ask us for our sympathy. The wulfman is a nice person, that is why we offer our prayers and sympathy, as he offered (at least in my case) to us. Maybe one day when (and if) you learn to be a friend, you will finally have a friend. As for the results of prayer, there is no doubt in my mind that the efforts in prayer from my friends and my sisters friends(which were too numerous to count) were the reason she was able to see that last grandchild. So to answer your question, it doesn't hurt anything to accept condolences or sympathy from friends here on the Citizen, and if it bothers you to read it, don't.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 1:09pm.

It is just so fakey--being the Internet and all.

Just "the thing" to do.

I do share such things with friends and aquaintences, but with very few words---eyes mostly, they don't lie!

That false Palin thing---being highly religious--is obviously for the ignorant!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 1:32pm.

I find that when people believe the worst or fear the worst of someone without evidence or reason to do so it is because the the believer is that way himself, or to make it plainer for you, you being a hypocrite would naturally believe that about someone else.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by MYTMITE on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 3:42pm.

You expressed my thoughts exactly but said them in a much nicer way than I had. For some reason Bonkers seems to bring out the wrong emotions in me when the only one that should surface is pity. Pity that someone can be filled with such disdant for his fellow man. He seems to have no feelings whatsoever, unless his statements are based on jealousy--jealousy because he can not feel the friendship and camaraderie that most of us on this site share. Who really knows if prayers help? But, I do really feel it helps the person for whom you are praying if only by letting that person know there are people out there who really care about them and their wellbeing. Once again thanks.

Wulfman, may your days be filled with the knowledge that there are many people here who care greatly about you.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 3:51pm.

is just wired differently.
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Submitted by Nitpickers on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 3:24pm.

Have you ever wondered why the silent Monks stay silent?
To keep from being hypocritical and throwing BS!

You must believe everything you hear from those who say they think like you!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 3:43pm.

Hey man, you said you asked an honest question, so I gave you an honest answer, if you don't like the answer there's nothing I can do about that. You could maybe be one of those Monks maybe, and they can tell you you're a horses ass with their eyes, you say you understand that eye stuff, right?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by MYTMITE on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 4:04pm.

Laughing my head off! Love it--especially about the monks sending the message with their eyes. I can just imagine a face to face conversation with Bonkers and one of his "friends". They would be talking and he would be responding with much eye rolling and twitching.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 11/10/2008 - 5:18am.

Nitpickers and I feel similar about words from the Tower of Babel! Apparently, different languages on this earth came about from the workers on the big tower to heaven being thwarted by not being able to communicate as they suddenly all spoke a different language--so they quit working---glad they didn't get above 10,000 feet where the air is so thin and cold---dumb bunch weren't they? Heaven is at least 30,000 feet high, maybe.

I have been told that "English" came from several other languages due to different sorts of people ending up in the same place and then had to use some of each language to get by with communication, so as to be able to make mead and grow turnips and maize. Ate deer and birds also.

I think that is correct about where the English language came from because I see a lot of German sounding stuff, latin stuff, and some Oriental: Chink, WOP, Chop Suey, and slant eyes--speaking of reading eyes!

That buried sour kraut stuff that the Koreans do (stinks something awful) has no English translation, except Pheweee!

Now, as to the silent Monks. I have often wondered how they pray loud in the church and street as most of us do! And, if they stump their toe do they curse and carry on?
I understand that they need nothing to put them to sleep for operations due to the fact that they make no noise anyway to disturb anyone. Silence of the lambs, you know?

There is nothing better than to see several fouled up Psychos comforting one another with gibberish and half doubts! Better to be self-confident as your advisors are about half as nutty as you are!

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 11/10/2008 - 2:11pm.

mean-spirited group around. In one blog you managed to insult all orientals, italians, religious sects and just about everyone else.

As for the Tower of Babel if I remember my sunday school lessons correctly it came about because they all spoke the same language and disagreed. By forcing them to speak different languages they were not able to argue. Of course they didn't have you there because you would have been able to argue with your eyes.

Just because different people have different food tastes does not give you the right to belittle them. There are many people who consider kimchi (spelling?) a delicacy as they do baluts (spelling?), which I understand are eggs that are buried and the longer they are buried the more they are craved. Would I eat these items? Probably not but then I do not eat lamb, escargot, and many other foods. People from India do not eat cattle--they consider them holy. We eat beef--go figure.

My mama taught me to respect the beliefs of all others and that included their eating preferences as well as their religious preferences.

Maybe you and your other selves need to be put in time out in a locked room. and allowed no communication until you learn to behave. See you in the next millennium.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Mon, 11/10/2008 - 5:27pm.

Bonkers left out the best part.
It did come close to heaven, maybe. The book of Jubilee says it was 5,433 cubits and two palms high. (About 2.5 kilometers or about a mile and a half high!)
On the other hand Gregory of Tours quoting historian Orasisus, said it was of baked brick with pitch mortar, and was 200 cubits high, and was 470 Stades in circumstance ( a stade is 5 agripennies).

Maybe muddle can clear that up?

I don't think Bonkers was "belittling" anyone, just pointing out that we use those words in English as evidence as to where they originated!
Have you ever smelled Korean buried Kraut? How about a 5000 year old egg?
Is all this foolishness and made-up stories religious to you?
Respect is not the correct word for infidels.
To think is the same as to say!

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 11/09/2008 - 7:40am.

Like I was saying...

How are you doing?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 10:11pm.

This coming Wednesday morning, there will be a a posting for our "wulfman" enlisting all to say a prayer for our blogging friend.
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Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 9:17pm.

Just because you get nothing from knowing others may have you in their prayers, there are those who do. I personally feel it is done as much for ourselves as those we treasure who are going through bad times. Yes, people may discuss surfing,beach vacations, good beer, etc while still caring about someone who is hurting. The person hurting also likes to think and talk about everyday things without dwelling on what they are going through. Why does it bother you so much if others wish to offer a prayer for someone? Does it injure you in some way? I may not agree with everything someone may say on this site about their religion but they have the right to their belief. For some reason you seem to resent any intercouse between people on this site other than to espouse their political views. Are there no people you care about? No friends that you wish well? You sound like such a lonely, unhappy person and I feel sorry for you. God Bless and I will remember you in my prayers.

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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 2:56pm.

Thanks.

I especially liked the Rincon footage: point break with perfectly formed rights.

And the early sixties surf culture sure does take me back.

Here's some exceptionally good surf (bigger than I am willing to paddle out in these days) in my backyard--just down the street from my mom's place.

Satellite Beach--Big Swell '06

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 4:39pm.

I like that last in-the-tube scene. I can't get your last link to work in Surfin' Safari II.
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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 5:00pm.

Ah, Tortola.

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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 5:28pm.

Sorry. Can't resist.

Reef Break

I'm pretty sure that this footage is all at Little Apple Bay, West End, Tortola, BVI (right behind the Bomba Shack.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 5:36pm.

Lets do this again on some dark, cold and dreary day in January!!!
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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 3:03pm.

And speaking of perfect point breaks, check out this footage of Cane Garden Bay, Tortola, BVI.

People mistakenly think that there is no surfing in the Caribbean. North shore Tortola (Atlantic side) is the best surfing I've ever done in my life.

The way this wave breaks--bouncing off of a point--you can actually paddle out around the waves after rides so you're not getting pounded on the way back out. Heck, you can almost walk out onto the point and plop the board in beyond the break. Awesome place!

Cane Garden Bay

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 11/08/2008 - 5:15pm.

That was awesome!!!!
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