Bishop Rene Gracida: Catholics cannot in good conscience vote for Obama

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 7:57am.

Bishop Gracida won the 2008 Coughlin Award, presented annually to the most bigoted Catholic in America (LINK)

Maybe next year, Trey Hoffman!

It's also worth noting that Gracida was notorius in the 1990s for excommunicating Catholics who admitted having abortions. Not surprisingly, Gracida's anti-Obama ads are being funded by Operation Rescue's Randall Terry.


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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:00pm.

Dude. Remind me not to stand near you in a thunder storm.


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:08pm.

Sniffles: if there is one thing that can be said about you, it is that you are consistent. Last week it was a smear job of a local Episcopal bishop, and this week it is a smear job a Catholic bishop. Sniffles' motto is: if you are not a liberal like me, then you are fair game for my stupid lies, such as....

"It's also worth noting that Gracida was notorious in the 1990s for excommunicating Catholics who admitted having abortions."

You are not doing your candidate any good by slandering this Catholic bishop. Did you know that there are many working class Catholics that would like to vote Democratic if not for the pro-abortion position of Mr. Obama (re: Freedom of Choice of Act)? This will probably cost Mr. Obama tens of thousands of blue-collar Catholic votes in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

BTW, I am not Trey Hoffman.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:21pm.

Many working-class Catholics ARE supporting Barack Obama...even more so than the general public! So that kinda shoots holes in your pet theory, doesn't it?

Pew research poll, released today: Nationwide Catholic voters: 54% Obama, 34% McCain. LINK Spin that, my friend!!

As far at that unrepentant thief David Epps is concerned, I dropped the issue because Cal asked that we dial back the rhetoric. He may not have realize that what he did was stealing, but it's theft nonetheless. But people like you and skyspy and BPR take that as some sort of "defeat" for me...Newsflash: it's not!

I'll make you a deal, Chrissy: if I can show you FOUR (4) Federal copyright laws that David Epps violated with his cut-and-paste column last week, will you admit that you were in error accusing me of slander? Or will you slink away and change the subject?


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Submitted by hersheybear88 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:16pm.

Yes, Sniffles Cal cleared it up..

Still you called him a thief and now it looks to me you said what again:

(Your words) He may not have realize that what he did was stealing, but it's theft nonetheless.

I know Father Epps reads this online.

I think the issue here is your too proud to say you are sorry and here you are doing it again. Are you proud of that or something by bringing it up again??????

It's okay I am sure Father Epps forgives you.

Your too proud to say I am sorry.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 7:27pm.

"I think the issue here is your too proud to say you are sorry"

Sniffles was correct and pointed out that Father Epps had not cited his sources. So what should sniffles be apologizing for exactly?


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 8:13pm.

Main Stream, you said all Sniffles did "was point out that Father Epps had not cited his sources." Huh?

How about Sniffles accusing Bishop Epps of "plagiarism" and calling him a "thief." Sniffles also ranted about Father Epps' "absolute failure as a Christian Evangelist"..? (BTW, do you think Sniffles is actually concerned about effective Christian evangelism?)


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 8:17pm.

I identify 4 copyright law violations BY STATUTE by the good Bishop.
You apologize for your accusation.

Deal?


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 9:23pm.

BTW, since we know each other so well, and I am now "Chrissy" to you...mind if I call you "Snotty?"


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:11pm.

Sniffles, look what happened in 2004:

"The congealing conventional wisdom is that super-religious, born-again Protestants-a.k.a. the religious right-carried President Bush to victory in 2004. A new Beliefnet analysis of the election data reveals this is only half right. There was indeed a flood of evangelicals to the polls--but it now appears that the shift in the Catholic vote was just as important and, in crucial states, probably more so."

Here is a recent poll that said Catholics are supporting McCain this time 48-39:

Catholics going for McCain

John Zoghby said this in September: "Clearly, Palin is helping the McCain ticket. She has high favorability numbers, and has unified the Republican Party. The striking thing here in this poll is that McCain has pulled ahead among Catholics by double-digits."

Catholic vote won White House for George Bush


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:35pm.

Great poll you link to there! Did you happen to read the "age breakdown"? This poll claims that SEVENTY FOUR PERCENT of voters ages 18-24 are supporting McCAIN!

I'm sorry, you cannot possibly expect me to believe a poll with such absolutely screwy numbers. That poll has been a national laughingstock for the past several day.


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 7:48pm.

I can't account for the young adult numbers, but they look outstanding!! Smiling

I do know that in 2004 TIPP polling was the most accurate pollster (their predicted result came the closest to the actual results...out of every major US polling company!!).

Is that what "infamous" means?


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 8:07pm.

You're only as good as your last prediction. There is a site devoted to polling accuracy (www.fivethirtyeight.com) which explains this. It uses regression analysis to track the accuracy of various pollsters (you'll never respect Zogby polls again after reading about their sloppy methodology).

You are correct, way back in 2004, TIPP did an admirable job. So did the Atlanta Braves. In 2008? Not so much...for either team.


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 9:06pm.

I don't think you can get any more recent than the last election.

hardly INFAMOUS....


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