Believers in Obama

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Telling a friend that the love of his life is a phony and dangerous is not likely to get him to change his mind. But it may cost you a friend.

It is much the same story with true believers in Barack Obama. They have made up their minds and not only don’t want to be confused by the facts, they resent being told the facts.

An email from a reader mentioned trying to tell his sister why he was voting against Obama but, when he tried to argue some facts, she cut him short: “You don’t like him and I do!” she said. End of discussion.

When one thinks of all the men who have put their lives on the line in battle to defend and preserve this country, it is especially painful to think that there are people living in the safety and comfort of civilian life who cannot be bothered to find out the facts about candidates before voting to put the fate of this nation, and of generations yet to come, in the hands of someone chosen because they like his words or style.

Of the four people running for President and Vice President on the Republican and Democratic tickets, the one we know the least about is the one leading in the polls — Barack Obama.

Some of Senator Obama’s most fervent supporters could not tell you what he has actually done on such issues as crime, education, or financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, much less what he plans to do to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear nation supplying nuclear weapons to the international terrorist networks that it has supplied with other weapons.

The magic word “change” makes specifics unnecessary. If things are going bad, some think that what is needed is blank-check “change.”

But history shows any number of countries in crises worse than ours, where “change” turned problems into catastrophes.

In czarist Russia, for example, the economy was worse than ours is today and the First World War was going far worse for the Russians than anything we have faced in Iraq. Moreover, Russians had nothing like the rights of Americans today. So they went for “change.”

That “change” brought on a totalitarian regime that made the czars’ despotism look like child’s play. The Communists killed more people in one year than the czars killed in more than 90 years, not counting the millions who died in a government-created famine in the 1930s.

Other despotic regimes in China, Cuba, and Iran were similarly replaced by people who promised “change” that turned out to be even worse than what went before.

Yet many today seem to assume that if things are bad, “change” will make them better. Specifics don’t interest them nearly as much as inspiring rhetoric and a confident style. But many 20th century leaders with inspiring rhetoric and great self-confidence led their followers or their countries into utter disasters.

These ranged from Jim Jones who led hundreds to their deaths in Jonestown to Hitler and Mao who led millions to their deaths.

What specifics do we know about Barack Obama’s track record that might give us some clue as to what kinds of “changes” to expect if he is elected?

We know that he opposed the practice of putting violent young felons on trial as adults. We know that he was against a law forbidding physicians to kill a baby that was born alive despite an attempt to abort it.

We know that Obama opposed attempts to put stricter regulations on Fannie Mae — and that he was the second largest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae. We know that this very year his campaign sought the advice of disgraced former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines.

Fannie Mae and Raines were at the heart of “the mess in Washington” that Barack Obama claims he is going to clean up under the banner of “change.”

The public has been told very little about what this man with the wonderful rhetoric has actually done. What we know is enough to make us wonder about what we don’t know. Or it ought to. For the true believers — which includes many in the media — it is just a question of whether you like him or not.

[Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His website is www.tsowell.com.] COPYRIGHT 2008 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

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diva's picture
Submitted by diva on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 8:50am.

"Telling a friend that the love of his life is a phony and dangerous is not likely to get him to change his mind. But it may cost you a friend."

What costs you friends is when you make sweeping judgments on a person's character, while remaining mute; blind, dumb, and deaf to the character flaws of those whom you support. And you then attempt to judge the character of your "friends" because they even dare support someone you don't. And what loses elections is when you, in the words of your story, "vote against" someone as opposed to "voting for" someone. What a weak political campaign you have when you, instead of supporters, count on votes "against" your opponent.

Case in point. I have been called a supporter of a racist, communist, socialist because I support Barack Obama. "Friends" who have read stuff on the internets know Barack's soul better than Barack does. After all, he hates his grandmother. Just ask them.

Here's what's interesting: Colin Powell has known John McCain for over 20 years. He has met Barack Obama on numerous occasions and he has even advised both campaigns of military and foreign affairs. I will go out on a limb and say that:

1. Because Colin Powell knows both candidates personally, he is a better judge of their character than you are.

2. Because John McCain actively sought Colin Powell's endorsement, John McCain trusts Colin Powell's character and judgment.

3. I will trust Colin Powell's opinion of these two candidates as well as my own studied opinions more than I will your politically slanted hit piece.

That's how political battles work. Your candidate actually has to win votes with ideas. It won't just be given to him because his dad was an admiral or because he was a POW. It's called campaigning for a reason.

ps Thomas: McCain has kind of shanghaied the whole "change" message himself. Don't you read or listen to him? How did you miss "Change you can believe in?"


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 10/25/2008 - 2:08pm.

This is what passes as thought from the right wing intellectuals today? Thomas Sowell compares Obama to Bolshevik revolutionaries, Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong the despotic regimes in China, Cuba, and Iran Jim Jones because he calls for change?

Here's Bill O'Reilly September 30 broadcast of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, talking to Tonya Reiman his "body language" expert:

O'REILLY: Do you think that Nancy Pelosi, while she's giving a stem-winder speech like that, knows what her hands are doing?
REIMAN: No. I think that what happens is she practices the speech too much and wants to come across as forceful and powerful, and uses gestures that she might think are forceful and powerful --

O'REILLY: You know who used to do that, who practiced for hours before making a speech? And I'm not making any comparison here. So, don't -- you crazy left-wing websites out there, it's not a comparison. Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler practiced for hours, all of his --

Here's right wing talk radio host Bill Cunningham October 10 broadcast of The Big Show with Bill Cunningham,

CUNNINGHAM: And around Ohio, the number [of newly registered voters] is 666,000. Six-six-six. The mark of the beast. The great majority, of course, are registered by ACORN. The mark of the beast. And who is the beast? Who gave ACORN $800,000 as part of this criminal conspiracy? Who was the lawyer for ACORN? Who conducted ACORN seminars to tell ACORN employees and others how to cheat the system? Barack Hussein Obama. I may declare him to be the beast. Six-six-six. It could be the end of all days.

Thomas fits right in.


Submitted by justwondering on Sat, 10/25/2008 - 11:00pm.

Thomas Sowell education:
Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
A.B. in Economics, magna cum laude, Harvard College, 1958

Thomas Sowell experience:
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, September 1980 - present
Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., July 1974 - June 1980
Visiting Professor of Economics, Amherst College, September- December 1977
Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, April- August 1977
Fellow, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, July 1976 - March 1977
Project Director, The Urban Institute, August 1972 - July 1974
Associate Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., September 1970 - June 1972
Associate Professor of Economics, Brandeis University, September 1969 - June 1970
Assistant Professor of Economics, Cornell University, September 1965 - June 1969
Economic Analyst, American Telephone & TelegraphCo., June 1964 - August 1965
Lecturer in Economics, Howard University, September 1963 - June 1964
Instructor in Economics, Douglass College, Rutgers University, September 1962 - June 1963
Labor Economist, U.S. Department of Labor, June 1961 - August 1962

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Submitted by diva on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 9:33am.

Justwondering, I guess you are saying we should vote for the ticket with the highest levels of intellectual accomplishment?

DEAL! Laughing out loud


Submitted by justwondering on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 9:42am.

I am disputing the oxymoron comment and noticing the hypocrisy of you,jeff,david's mom. You are quick to point out we should vote for the "Harvard grad" yet you diminish Sowell, who graduated cum laude from Harvard and can prove it.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 11:53am.

I diminish Sowell because he writes incredibly stupid stuff like comparing Obama to Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong the despotic regimes in China, Cuba, Iran and Jim Jones because he calls for "change".

Does he thing Mao, Hitler and Castro were elected on a "change" platform?

He's been drinking that Jim Jones koolaid.

Embarrassingly stupid.


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Submitted by diva on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 9:48am.

What I've been yapping about had to do with the endorsement of a military hero who knows both candidates personally versus the opinion pieces of people who do not. Am I wrong in my logic?


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Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 10/25/2008 - 7:53pm.

"Right-wing intellectuals" is an oxymoron. Eye-wink


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Submitted by dawn69 on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 1:14am.

I know, only democrats can be smart. We dumbass republicans aint got no sense - I only know this cause diva done told me I aint to brite. Sometime, main, I don't even know how I brush my own teeth. Do I only brush the right side and forget about the left - or maybe just brush the ones in the middle cause they the only ones that show. Laughing out loud


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Submitted by diva on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 9:51am.

Good luck on your journey. Smiling


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Submitted by dawn69 on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 1:04am.

Is that humor, Diva? I must say, I'm glad to see it.

Perhaps, when this election is over, we can all pass around the olive branch and find some common ground - conversation less nefarious.

For Example, what is your musical preferrence? Me? Why, thanks for asking. I like everything from Robert Johnson to Gene Krupa, Etta James (my fave!), Fleetwood Mac, The Stones, Moody Blues, right up to Sean Paul, Beck, Godsmack........and everything in between with the exception of The Who - I really don't like them.

In fact, if you've never listened to Etta - you simply must! She could belt it out like none other!

Further, I really must offer an apology for the 'penis tucking' comment - I lost my grace with that one. The fault is not yours for making me mad (though, you were quite rude), the fault was mine for allowing you to take me to that place where I compromised my own intgretity.

We disagree on politics, Diva; but, for now, I'm going to send you a smiley face.Smiling Smiling


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Submitted by hersheybear88 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 5:05am.

Skyspy has been posting a long time on here. I have read some great points that I think we should all take regarding Sky's advice.

I don't know Diva?

All I can say I am thankful we can voice our opinion.

I have enjoyed reading the information that Skyspy gives us.

I need to go and get the other book of Sean Hannity today and check on Glen Beck. My other media hero.Smiling

Have a good day Dawn. Oh, and Diva and Skyspy.


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Submitted by diva on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 8:13pm.

I apologize for calling you unintelligent when I should have addressed your ARGUMENT; shouldn't have attributed that to you personally. I hope you, in reading my responses to an ex personal friend (Skyspy), realize that but for basically calling me a communist, I would have never lashed out. I love to meet real people and exchange real ideas and conversation much more than blogging. Blogging is like texting; we often don't have the ability to discern dry humor from anger and sarcasm from true disdain. LOLs, Eye-wink , Smiling, and Laughing out loud are often needed to say, "Hey, I'm only half way serious here." Unfortunately a few of us here have learned all too personally that more than a couple of our fellow bloggers will not pass up an opportunity to cause real harm to those they disagree with.

That being said, I was never blessed with lightning wit or matchless humor; just fast reflexes. So when I perceive someone on the attack, I am usually all too willing to go all "Marquess of Queensberry" on the opponent. I appreciate you being willing to lower your shield and I, in turn, raise my mask (origin of the salute ya know..)

Cheers

ps. Clapton


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Submitted by dawn69 on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 8:13am.

Eric Clapton? Absolutely! How could I have left out Cream & Clapton? I've stated in posts before that I was born in '69 to teenage parents, so I grew up listening to all the music of that era. My dad was the big Cream, Stones, Animals fan while my mother preferred Bowie, Zepplin, and Boz Scaggs. We had all the 8-tracks!

Mom was 17 in 1969 and her favorite song was 'Put a little love in your heart' by Jackie DeShannon....Hence my name Shannon Dawn. Thank God for that song because she was going to name me Misty Dawn or Summer Mist or something like that.LOL! What could she have been thinking?

I remember my interest in art beginning with a Cream album cover. It was a double album with a silver cover and pretty cool abstract design. I think dad still has that album. Wonder what it's worth now?

As far as blogging goes, I absolutely concur. It's often hard, especially as a newcomer, to interpret the nuances of text without the one on one factor of facial expressions, gestures, and voice fluctuations. When I first started blogging here, I often took offense to comments that I later realized were made in humor. AND, my post weeks ago about 'middle eastern' gas station owners is in no way indicative of how I truly believe. Don't know what came over me at that time - I was raised better than that! But, it's often hard to rescind stupid remarks and so when we make them, we just have to live with that embarrassment and accept the backlash.

Here's hoping your Halloween is full of 'Strange Brew'! Good Day.


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 10:00pm.

I don't know you diva, and I don't want to based on your little angry short man syndrome tirades.

You have been nothing but foul to me. You are an angry little person who lashes out at people for no reason.

This is why I would never go to another coffee thing. Maybe you were a lurker, who knows..... You don't know me. You seem a little unhinged. Instead of lurking/stalking, get a life.

Whatever.... I kind of feel sad for you.

Stay away from me.

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Submitted by diva on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:01am.

Is there absolutely anything I have said or done as of late that makes you think I want, on any level, to be in close proximity to you? Anything? As you toss slurs, and dwell on ACORN, Ayers, and the whole socialism thingy, yet continually call us "angry?" I'm happy as a fish in a tank of perrier because I see the country making a turn for the better. You rail on "Obama-proofing" your life (cause the economy is soo soo good right now), emphasizing crimes committed by blacks and, what you refer to, as the "black crime wave," everyone being on welfare, those darned foreign customer non-support people, etc., etc.

I don't recall inviting you out for a latte lately, and I'm not planning on it any time soon. Not sure which personality would show up anyway. But, as you have become a bit more thinly skinned, I'll avoid future references to you that you would only see by taking the time to read my posts addressed to others.


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Submitted by hersheybear88 on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 7:41am.

Sean Hannity is my favorite show, to be fair and balanced they add in Colmes. No wonder this fine man has done so well with his job. He stands his ground and won't back down. You go Sean!

This is long to prove Sean's and conservatives point. There's alot to talk about and more about liberals and their guy who some call their Messiah. I am sure Sean could add more if you would like.Smiling What class and humor Sean has.Smiling

Listen to Values Voter Summit 2008

Listen to This is unbelievable

Listen to We are just friendly

Listen to Why is this country a mean country

Listen to Attacks

Vaules and morals are on the line. BTW Hannity backs up what he says as you can see. Don't attack Sean but the issues he brings up. Sean does not pull things out of the sky but he has it on print or video. Why would he be saying these things. No wonder he is hated by demo's. He better at your games all you demo's. Sean stays strong even though he has had death threats. All over Obama. Still Sean stays strong.

Obama is too scared to go on Hannity's show. I think we know why.

Listen to Let Freedom Ring

Even though I didn't have any relatives or friends that were on the planes or in the buildings that were hit. I still weep with them. This is reality. Let's don't forget about the terror groups and people who fund them.

God Bless America


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Submitted by Christian on Sat, 10/25/2008 - 10:21pm.

Let me guess this straight...

You attended SDS meetings and Black Panther rallies in Berkeley, Calif. back in the 1960's with your mother, who was a card-carrying member of the John Birch Society. You voted for Reagan twice. Now you are a flaming leftist blogger living in the most conservative county of a Deep South red state.

"Main Stream"?


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Submitted by diva on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 4:35am.

Or is it a person set ablaze by Palin supporters angered by their celebrity's completely ineffective political campaign Smiling?

I like option 1:

Drunken conservative: "Bartender! Two flaming leftist liberals on the rocks!"

Bartender: "Hey guy... why the long face?"

Drunken conservative: "My girl's not polling well. Her running mate is a closet liberal who has dared not agree with George W. Bush 8% of the time! 8% of the time! The darned FBI foiled our best plot to assassinate Barry the socialist Obama, and, worst of all, the best story we had to stoke anger against black men turned out to be some crazy girl working for his campaign who carved a backwards "B" in her own face!!!! Where the heck's that Flaming Leftist Liberal, anyway??? On the rocks!!!!"


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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 10/26/2008 - 11:43am.

Christian...I was lucky to have parents who engaged their children in political thought and allowed us to question authority at an early age. During the tumultuous 60's, our household was filled with political and social discussion, although the dialogue was usually geared towards extreme conservatism, I chose a different path than most of my immediate family members. Since growing up in a Republican household, I've seen both sides of the political spectrum, having seen the world through both a conservative and liberal view, settling in the political framework known as "left of center." Ending up in the deep South/Bible belt has brought a whole different perspective into my political and social thinking and it has been quite an adventure for us these past 5 years, not feeling very comfortable in our "liberal skin" down here, but we're adjusting slowly (we still wish our kids weren't constantly told by their Christian acquaintances that they will "burn in hell" because of their beliefs).

Two years ago, when I started blogging here, I thought about a user name that would describe me politically AND socially and settled on "Main Stream." My upbringing may be far from main stream, as you intimated, however, it is looking more and more like my political and social views ARE main stream, since most American's are hoping for more fiscal responsibility from our government, smart regulation of our banking and financial system, less corporate corruption, ending the Iraq war and honoring our veterans with responsible benefits, affordable healthcare and higher education, imports/food/toys from abroad that are safe, clean water and air, energy independence based on biofuels/solar/wind/nuclear, access to safe and legal abortion..... all of these issues are definitely main stream.

btw - would you care to elaborate on the choice of your own user name, Christian, and why you chose that??


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Submitted by Christian on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 6:46pm.

I'm sorry you and your family are not quite comfortable in your "liberal skin" down here in our beloved little village, but the part about your kids being "constantly" told by "their Christian acquaintances" that they "will burn in hell because of their beliefs" is a little overboard... don't you think?

Did this actually happen? If it did, is it happening constantly? I think your kids need to make some new friends. Smiling


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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 7:27pm.

"Did this actually happen? If it did, is it happening constantly? I think your kids need to make some new friends."

Yes, unfortunately it happens quite frequently, however, I prefaced my sentence by saying the kids who are acting this way are "acquaintances" and not good "friends." We've instructed our children to try and not talk about religion, since having had some bizarre interactions with other kids and even adults, when the topic is discussed. The most recent situation involved a middle-school boy who was bullying our child on the internet calling them foul names and insisting that the other kids should not be friends with our child because they were an "atheist", which our child is not. Our child attempted to explain our Unitarian beliefs, and the fact that our child has been taught to believe in God, however, the boy became even more enraged and we had to step in and instruct our child not to communicate with him any longer. Again, the kids that have the problems with our children are not their closest friends but only acquaintances, however, that does not make it any easier for our kids.

As far as being comfortable down here in our "liberal skin", I have seen an increase in liberal minded bloggers on this site in the past year or so, plus, I am running into more and more Democrats when we're out and about, at the kid's soccer and baseball games, grocery store and even PTO meeting. I really do believe that people are ready for change, and the desire for "change" seems to be taking hold in Fayette County as well!


Submitted by boo boo on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 1:46am.

Main don't let these repubs on here fool you, believe me there are plenty of Dem's in this County. Some of the old timers that have lived here forever are Dem's they just don't have to shout about it all the time like the repubs do. I also believe there will be plenty of these repubs voting for a smart man this time around and that will be Obama. If you notice too the Dem's don't wear their religion on their sleeves either. Tell your kids to hang in there, my kids had a hard time too when we first arrived here from the Bay area. It took my spouse and I about 15 years, ha!

There are also plenty of people from other states that now call Georgia and Fayette Co. home and plenty of those came from California. I just met another neighbor that came from Ca. the other day. I believe us new comers(we have been here 24 years) are more open minded on somethings but most people in Georgia are wonderful and even though some of my friends and neighbors are repubs, bless their hearts, it makes no difference to me. If they need me I'll come running and I know they would do the same for me.

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Submitted by Christian on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 8:04pm.

"The most recent situation involved a middle-school boy who was bullying our child on the internet calling them foul names and insisting that the other kids should not be friends with our child because they were an "atheist."

Wow, that is strange.

Regarding our liberal Citzen bloggers, I have studied the situation and determined that 50% of PTC's 10 Democrats are blogging now. Or maybe one is blogging under 5 names, I don't know...
Smiling


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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 7:40pm.

their darn turn signals. Its got to be those new Democrats moving in. Smiling
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Submitted by swac on Sat, 10/25/2008 - 8:23pm.

Let's face it folks, Obama is the man.
He is wise. He thinks before making a decision. His choice of vice-president is an example.
He is a family man in the great tradition of Democrats.
Vote Democratic

Submitted by swac on Sat, 10/25/2008 - 5:02pm.

Thomas has always been extremely right wing. I heard that, when driving a car, he could not make a left turn and had to make three ninety degree right turns to go in the direction he wanted.

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