2 escaped pit bulls killed after attacks on PTC jogger, cop

Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:50pm
By: The Citizen

UPDATED Tuesday, Oct. 7
A Peachtree City man was charged Sunday after his two pit bulldogs escaped a fenced backyard and attacked a jogger and the jogger’s leashed dog in the area of Flat Creek Golf Club west of North Peachtree Parkway.

The jogger suffered puncture wounds to his leg after attempting to protect his leashed golden retriever, which also received puncture wounds to the animal’s neck and side.

Peachtree City Police subsequently shot one of the attacking dogs near the golf course green on the west side of Peachtree Parkway, while the other pit bull died minutes later after being deliberately struck by a patrol car on Ga. Highway 54, east of North Peachtree Parkway.

The incident began when police were notified at 7:50 a.m. that a Greensway resident was jogging next to the golf course with his leashed retriever when he noticed a dark brown pit bull and a white and light brown pit bull in the area, police reports said.

The man said he attempted to change directions but he and his dog were subsequently attacked by the two dogs.
The man said one of the pit bulls grabbed his dog’s neck while the other began to bite the retriever several times, including in the area of the hind leg, reports said.

The jogger was able to free his dog after struggling for several minutes, but subsequently became the victim when the bulldogs turned on him.

The jogger was bitten three times, with the most severe bite just below his left calf, according to police reports.

Officers began a search for the loose pit bulls, locating them minutes later in the area of Flat Creek Golf Club and Highlands subdivision, reports said.

One of the officers maintained surveillance of the dogs near the golf course while other officers were set up along the perimeter to keep them away from citizens, officers said.

Officers temporarily lost sight of the dogs but located them on the north side of Gleneagle Point, between the Wyndham Peachtree Conference Center and North Peachtree Parkway and approximately 700 feet north of Hwy. 54.

The dogs emerged from the treeline onto the golf course where an officer and and a golf course maintenance worker were positioned approximately 30 yards away, reports said.

One of the pit bulls began growling and both began running aggressively toward the two men, the officer said.

Believing the dogs were about to attack, the officer fired one round at each dog, followed by two more shots as the dogs turned and ran in the opposite direction, with one of the dogs running in the direction of Lt. Mark Brown.

Brown fired six rounds from a .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle and killed the white/light brown pit bull.

Police reports noted that all shots were fired in the direction of Hwy. 54. A five-foot grade separates the area from the roadway, reports said. The first shots were fired at 8:14 a.m., according to department spokesperson Capt. Rosanna Dove.

Officers reported that, after the shots were fired, the remaining pit bull ran past the Wyndham and onto Hwy. 54, running east in the eastbound lanes. Officers attempted to get the dog out of the road, though several attempts were unsuccessful.

At one point, near Peachtree Parkway, the pit bull ran onto the median and into the westbound lanes, though still running east.

The dog ran onto the property of Christ our Shepherd Lutheran Church, across Peachtree Parkway and into Peachtree Crossings shopping center. The remaining dog ran back onto Hwy. 54 near near McDonald’s and Eastbrook Bend.

It was then that Lt. Brown approved the attempt to disable the dog by hitting it with a patrol car, reports said.

One of the officers did strike the animal with the left side of his front bumper. The dog rolled under the left front tire and exited from under the rear of the vehicle, rolling once or twice, reports said.

Officers said the dog got up and went onto the median and laid down. The incident ended at 8:34 a.m. Animal control officers arrived a couple of minutes later, but the dog had died, reports said.

“It is regrettable to have to put down two animals,” Peachtree City Police Chief Skip Clark said Monday. “However, given the circumstances and the aggressive nature of the two pit bulls, the officers acted appropriately to protect other citizens from being attacked.”

One of the officers at the golf course remembered an incident involving pit bulls at the Grenoble Road residence of Robert Reid, according to reports.

Grenoble Road is situated between Stevens Entry and Hwy. 54, approximately 2,000 feet across Hwy. 54 from the home of the Greensway resident that was attacked.

Officers went to the residence and met with Reid, who said he had arrived home at approximately 3 a.m. Sunday morning and found his dogs missing, believing that they had been stolen.

he officer told Reid what had happened and showed him head and face photographs of the two dogs. Reid identified the dogs as belonging to him.

Reid said the dogs were current with their vaccinations though he could not readily present those records.

Officers checked the back yard of the home, noting a privacy fence and a gate. Officers found the bottoms of fence boards broken off in two locations and a gap in the gate that could have been pushed sufficiently to allow the dogs to escape, reports said.

The officer noted that, though Reid said someone must have taken the dogs, he made no attempt to report the theft.

Reid was cited with two counts of animal running at large, reports said.

An investigative summary of the incident noted six past cases of abuse and neglect with which Reid had been involved and three complaint calls on the dogs.

And earlier this year, Fayette Sheriff’s Drug Task Force served a search warrant at the residence and filed drug charges on Reid, reports said.

In an issue related to the incident, Highlands subdivision resident Carolyn Browning said Monday she had gone outside to pick up her paper Sunday morning during the general time frame that officers were locating and subduing the pit bulls.

Browning said while at the curb two dogs that appeared to be pit bulls trotted by her house and kept going. A few minutes later the dogs passed her house again without incident, Browning said.

She said that during this time a police officer was parked in his vehicle across the street. "He should have rolled his window down and told us to go back in the house," Browning said, being concerned about her physical health and that of her own dog.
— Reported by Ben Nelms (bnelms@TheCitizen.com)


Rifle fire reverberated Sunday morning across the greens at Flat Creek Golf Course in Peachtree City as police officers shot and killed a pit bulldog after the animal had attacked a jogger with a dog on a nearby cart path.

Another pit bull was killed by a police car after the attack on the jogger, police reports said. That occurred near the intersection of Ga. Highway 54 and Peachtree Parkway, close to McDonald’s restaurant and two nearby churches.

Both the jogger and the accompanying dog were bitten, police said.

The incident happened near the geographic center of Peachtree City about 8:30 Sunday morning.

The owner of the pit bulls was charged with letting his dogs run loose inside the city, police said.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 1:19pm.

I come from a family that has always been against having a Pit Bull... until my brother came home with this little black puppy. He saw a guy and his girlfriend in front of Wal-Mart with just one puppy left. They said if they couldn't get rid of it that day it would be given to the girlfriend's relatives and trained to fight. My brother took the dog home. She is a pit bull. Her name is Keisha and she is the most expressive, sweetest, most gentle and well trained dog we've ever had. It took two years of consistent and kind, yet firm training to get her to where she is now. Around my three year old, she is very aware of where he is, and she won't bump into him, or whack her with her tail that is capable of clearing a coffee table! My father at the time was in Kuwait with the military. When he came home he wasn't too happy about the large dog staring at him through the glass door, and he was even less impressed when he found out what breed she was (we never cropped her ears). He came in, and because Keisha had been worked with so well she did not attack. We used my father's clothing to get her used to the smell of him so she wouldn't be afraid of him. He is now so in love with Keisha that my brother's dog is now my mother and father's dog, and my father has a changed opinion about Pit Bulls. They can be trained to do anything, just like any other dog in the world. We worked hard to socialize her with not only other dogs, but children, adults, strangers, and delivery people. I intend to get a Pit Bull eventually. Hopefully one of Keisha's puppies, if they ever decide to breed her. Keisha is an 80 pound lap dog who loves to play, be cuddled, and will even fit her big body into anyones lap who will let her. She's trained to be patient. We can place pieces of hotdog all the way around her and point to ONE piece and that is the only piece she will eat. Ask her what is on top of the house and she will reply "ROOF". She really is an amazing dog that changed a lot of my family's opinion, including mine, of pit bulls. Punish the owner, not the breed. Because the truth is, any dog can attack any person, and like others have said, pit bulls and large breeds as a whole, get a bad rap because they do more damage than, say, a Boston Terrier.

Do me a favor and don't attack me or Keisha, I fight back. While Keisha won't bite, I will. Eye-wink **(For all those who don't get it, that was a tongue in cheek remark)**

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Submitted by SPQR on Sun, 12/13/2009 - 12:58pm.

all the accolades you gave your pit bull I'm sure this women gave her sweet rottweiler

Florida Toddler Mauled to Death by Rottweiler

Sunday, December 13, 2009

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NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. — A rottweiler attacked and killed a Florida toddler when the boy reached to pick up a cookie he had dropped, authorities said.

Kevin Doll of the Pasco County Sheriff's Office said 20-month-old Dallas Walters was at his aunt's home during a party Saturday night. Doll said the dog attacked Dallas when the boy dropped a cookie and went to grab it.

Family members at the party managed to pry the dog off the child and then took him to a hospital. The boy later died.

Submitted by Shhhh on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:55pm.

But it needs to be tweaked just a little bit. I beg you to spay your dog and take one of the MILLION pit-bulls up for adoption. As Zoes said below, there are rescue groups out there. You can look below and see my post. I am definitely pro-pit. What I am against is: Backyard breeders. Your parents might be great with puppies and find them great homes... Which is cool... but... what about the next generation? Google: "pit bull rescue" and you will find many, many, many sites where pit-bull puppies as well as adults need homes. Look up the statistics as to how many pits are killed each year. By your parents breeding your dog, they are indirectly killing others who will not be adopted. You drill the fact that the reason Keisha is such a good dog is because your family trained her to be one. It is nurture (not nature). It doesn't matter where the pup comes from as long as it is young and has a clean slate. You know that.

Imagine this: Keisha has 6 puppies. 3 boys, 3 girls- (6 more pits brought into this world). Three of the owners of the pups decide to breed and have 18 pups from that generation- (24 pits). Nine of that generation are bred to create 54 more pits- (78 pits). In 3 generations of dogs (approximately 12 years if pups are bred at age 4), your family has brought 78 pits into this world. Did you google "pit bull rescue" like I asked you to? Seventy-eight of those dogs will not find homes because people who wanted a pit bull got one of your dogs.

Do the right thing, Ms. Belle. Please don't breed that dog.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:09pm.

Keisha is not my dog, she is my parents' dog, therefore, I don't make her life decisions, they do. There is only a possibility of Keisha being bred. Keisha is four years old and has never had puppies. I'm repeating myself, but she hasn't had any puppies, and we've been LOOKING INTO ADOPTION of a pit bull puppy, because we are responsible people who understand the overpopulation problem all too clearly. I have five cats, all fixed, three of them were found wandering the streets as small kittens, one floated through our front yard during Katrina. WE GET THE PROBLEM. But, with that being said, should I adopt a pit bull it has to be a puppy, or I'm not even going to look.

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Submitted by Shhhh on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:15pm.

you are for or against your parents breeding her? Perhaps you should educate your parents. She should have been spayed 3.5 years ago...

As for the cat thing- 5 cats?!?!? BIG kudos to you. I only have 2. Cats are an even harder animal to find homes for than pits! I don't even want to get started blogging about the cat overpopulation problem!!! Smiling

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:31pm.

Went off on a tangent. Sorry. Am I for or against breeding Keisha? On the fence. On the one hand, Keisha is not my dog and I can't tell people what to do with their own dogs. I can and have told them the staggering numbers and risks that they take by breeding her. They countered with wanting to require a contract to have/purchase one of their puppies. I think that if it were MY dog, I wouldn't breed her, she would have been fixed before her first birthday, being as she's not my dog, it is up to them. They need to make informed and aware decisions, and they always do. They're smart people. My dad is the smartest man I know, should they breed Keisha, it will be because they've done all the research and know what they're doing.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:25pm.

Five cats=lots of kitty litter and food, fun times.

We were supposed to find a home for the latest one, the one who floated through the yard, BUT.... my husband got attached, so we didn't. Our area is so overpopulated that my husband is in constant fear of me dragging home a few more kittens.... or a whole litter... Squirt (the one that floated through the yard) had to be bottle fed because he was only two weeks old (about) when we plucked him out of the water.

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Submitted by PTC Avenger on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:11pm.

I saw your warning, but I'll go ahead and take a chance anyway. Anyone who lets a three year old child and a pitbull co-mingle is, in my opinion, guilty of child endangerment. Even if your dog is as well trained as you described, let us not forget that these dogs were originally bred to fight. On top of that, do you know what the parents of Keisha were like? You said if they didn't find an owner for her she would be given to a relative and tought to fight...did Keisha come from parents, or grandparents, who fought? That is a legitimate question you should've asked yourself. I'll be the first to concede that proper training can drastically affect a dog's personality and temperament, but no amount of training can untwine the double helix that is DNA and genetic coding. What if your three year old tried to play with the dog in such a way that upset it, then what? I just can't believe that even after all the media reports of pitbulls going crazy anyone would let their three year old child roam next to it. That is irresponsible. Anyone else want to chime in?

And what's with the "gangsta" appeal pitbulls seem to have? It's probably because even low life thug gangsta-types realize that these dogs are inherently violent and have the potential for brutality that far exceeds that of any other breed. This trait is somehow "gangsta." Just saying.

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Submitted by Weatherwax on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 11:28pm.

My Aunt used to own a pit bull. Everyone believed he was a good dog as well and as far as I can remember (this was a number of years ago) there had never been an incident with that dog up until a certain point. As I recall, my younger cousin - who was two or three at the time I think - was trying to play with the dog and the dog did as pit bulls are known to do. It turned on my cousin and bit him in the face, badly. He had to have stitches and his upper lip still bears the scar.
I don't trust pit bulls and would never, under any circumstances, allow my daughter to be anywhere near one. But then again, I don't trust any animal, particularly larger dogs that belong to someone that I don't know. There's even an incredibly stupid black lab that keeps getting loose in my neighborhood and has a bad habit of greeting me outside my car door when I come home at night and I refuse to take my daughter out of the car until the stupid thing trots stupidly away.

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 11:57pm.

But then again, I don't trust any animal

You mean you don't trust Luke or Boo? You wouldn't have trusted Holly? Holly was better than Lassie, and you know that Lassie could be trusted. ("What is it girl" Timmy is hurt? OK, girl! Take me to him!")

On pit bulls: Start with a litter of puppies. CHoose the most aggressive one in the lot. Breed it with a puppy from another litter that was similarly chosen. Next, choose the puppy from that litter that is the most naturally aggressive. Breed it with a puppy from another litter that was similarly chosen. Do this over, say, four or forty or four hundred generations. You think the result will not be a time bomb just waiting to go off? I think the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" line ignores this genetic reality.


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Submitted by Nitpickers on Thu, 10/16/2008 - 4:08am.

I think that you may have something there!

Is it just possible that some of our criminals, whether they be bankers, or holdup artists---much the same--have a similar gene thing?

On top of that put these like-gene people in terrible circumstances, and with selfish parents, and what might you have?

I think you really do have something there!

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 8:41pm.

I agree with PTC Avenger, given the temperament of pit bulls, and the fact that a 3-year-old is not really good around any type of dog, I could say that it is the action of a reasonably prudent person to keep a child away from a pit bull. Another way of saying it is that I think someone should have their head examined for letting a three year old around a pit bull. What are you trying to prove, and at whose expense? There are so many good breeds of dogs, why have one around with the type of traits that the Michael Vicks have been selectively breeding? Yes, DNA is powerful stuff.
Note: the children that play on Grenoble Rd, and there are a lot of them, no longer have to worry about those two particular pit bulls, thanks to the PTCPD.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:32am.

Let me apply your logic to something else:

A child is born to a drug addicted father and a mother who is what any normal person would consider trashy. The child is given up for adoption at 6 weeks old. The child goes to a family with good Christian values, a solid, stable home and a wonderful extended family. Is that child, based on it's DNA, going to become a trashy, drug addicted adult?

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Submitted by MYTMITE on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 8:46pm.

as many children of druggies are--same way children are born with fetal alcohol syndrome when they have an alcoholic mother. Inborn traits may also be in the puppy that may come out at a later time after being nothing but sweet and lovable for years. I would not venture to tell you what to do with your child or what animal to have as a pet. I can only say I would never take that chance. It would be too big a risk-and to my way of thinking-a totally unnecessary risk. If my child suffered from a fatal disease or illness and there was something that could cure that child but also a chance it could be fatal--then I might take the risk. But, as much as I love animals, there is no way I would take the same risk just to have a certain breed of dog. There are too many documented cases where pit bulls who were good pets for years turned on their loving and caring owners and mangled and in some instances, killed them. It is just not worth the chance. Just my opinion.

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 2:37pm.

If you want to have a civilized, intelligent debate with me concerning the nature vs. nurture topic please send me an e-mail and I'd be happy to correspond with you. I don't believe this forum, and this thread, are an appropriate venue to have this debate. If you'd like, I can point you to some academic journals and some essays that might interest you. This is just a desperate, hail mary type of rationalization you're employing to try to make yourself look like less of an idiot for letting your three year old play with a pitbull.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 6:35pm.

To answer your question: No, it does not mean that. My point is the value of applying risk analysis to the scenario of a young child being around a live pit bull (no one has to worry about dead ones, so they do not enter into this story much). Why take the risk, and you know there is a considerable one, or there would be no need to have so much defense mounted for overcoming the risk with "good nurture"? It is much better to not have a child around a live pit bull that it is to have a child around a live pit bull, because obviously, the risk is much less with the former. The child has nothing to prove, but a lot to lose, with this situation and is not responsible for the parents' education regarding the issue.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."

Submitted by Shhhh on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:10pm.

I definitely want to chime in!!!!

I didn't realize that there was a fighting gene in the DNA! I thought that dogs have to be trained to fight using bait dogs and all that mess that came out of Michael Vick's house. Wow. ::sarcasm::

Kudos to you for learning your history. These dogs were bred to fight years ago. Did you also find the part where it said that the dogs that showed any bad temperament towards humans were killed so that gene wouldn't pass on?

The jogger got bit because he was trying to get in between his dog and the other dogs. The dogs were not going after him. They were going after his dog. Everybody knows not to get in between two fighting dogs. If it was me, I would have gotten bit as well to protect my dogs. HOWEVER, I would *not* blame the dogs for attacking me.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:54pm.

If I applied your "logic" about child endangerment and pit bulls then I wouldn't put my child into a car, nor would I let him out of the house. OH, wait, if I used your "logic" I wouldn't have even had a child. Child birth is dangerous. Life is dangerous. Walking outside of your home can be dangerous, living inside your home can be dangerous, with or without pets inside. By your logic, the human race would be extinct. I'm just saying... Let us not forget that we are all human, and just as a dog can "turn" so, too, can people. People "snap" every day in America. Again, just saying...

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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 6:23am.

You are right living is dangerous.

It is good to hear from you even if it is for this doggie argument.

Have a good day from a fellow dog lover.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:17am.

Hey there! I've been hanging out in another blogospere lately. It is so tiring having to defend one's self constantly. YOU have a fantastic day!

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Submitted by Nitpickers on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 5:06am.

What does "just saying," mean at the end of a sentence? That it may not be true!

Have you tried a rattlesnake with your kid?

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:25am.

A lot of parents have snakes. I'm just not one of them.
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Submitted by PTC Avenger on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:54pm.

You've got to be kidding me. That's your refutation? People pretty much have to use cars and go outside their houses, and you're correct when people do so they assume a risk that something bad may happen, but it is a fairly small risk. Allowing a pitbull to marauder around your house with a three year old is a choice you make that is not necessary to daily functioning in the same way that using a car or leaving your house is. I can't believe you would even make this argument, I mean seriously. What are you thinking? Why even take the risk at all of having a pitbull? Maybe later down the road, but with a three year old?? The more I read your posts here the less I have any faith in your intelligence, not to mention your parenting skills. Strike one was when you vouched for the character of an unemployed methhead drug addict. This is strike two. Hopefully, for the sake of those in your home, their will be no third strike.

I mean, am I wrong here people?

And to the above poster, shhh, I'm aware of the eugenic effort you mentioned, but there are things called recessive genes that allow certain traits to continually perpetuate themselves. Geez, I haven't had this much fun arguing on here since Davidsmom attacked me.

Submitted by Shhhh on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 10:56pm.

I'm glad to entertain you because I'm sure life in a bubble is really quite bland.

I understand very well what recessive genes are... what trait is it that is recessive? The one that makes a yellow lab yellow instead of black? Ohhhhhhhhhhh! You mean the one that makes the dog crave human flesh!!!! It's funny, really... I've never really learned about the werewolf gene... But if you say it's true- I believe you. ::rolls eyes::

Obviously you take the "nature" side of "nature vs. nurture." I am a firm believer that we all have a certain amount of instinct and intelligence set as we are born but that is about how far nature goes in that debate. Nurture will always be stronger than nature. If you could, please explain to me why fighting dogs are trained to do so if they are so vicious naturally? And why is it that they can be trained to be vicious but not to be gentile?

These dogs are genetically amazing. They have been bred to be very, very strong and capable of a lot. Unfortunately, society has priced them as cheap or free. Because of this, many people who do not deserve to have a dog are able to get one. Nobody cares for the dog and things like this happen. It's common with this breed because they are the most common for people who enjoy bragging about how they have a "bad ass dog" more than they enjoy the dog itself.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 5:03pm.

I feel sorry for you. Bless your heart. Leaving one's house is totally optional nowadays. Driving a car is as well. You can purchase anything you want online, and if you live close to everything in a city then you don't need a car. Who are you to tell me about parenting? What do you know? How many kids have you raised? Are they all perfect? Are you perfect? Didn't think so.

By the way, I don't have a pit bull yet. My PARENTS do, and I don't live with them. Pay attention.

I had a lot more typed out, then I realized something. You don't deserve my attention. You aren't worth it. Sorry to reiterate what your parents must have thought of you, because you clearly didn't get enough love.
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Submitted by PTC Avenger on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 5:06pm.

Incredible. You still don't understand.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 5:12pm.

You never said how many kids you've raised; nor did you state the level of their perfection. Still waiting on those answers.

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Submitted by PTC Avenger on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 5:20pm.

How is that relevant? Raising children and being a parent are not prerequisites for common sense.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 5:55pm.

You've made my point for me. Thank you. Bless your heart.

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Submitted by PTC Avenger on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 7:28pm.

What exactly is your point?

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Submitted by zoes on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:24pm.

PTCA has an excellent point on the breeding. Just because Keisha is a wonderful dog doesn't mean her offspring would be. Genetics are unarguable and without a history of parentage, you just don't know. Get her spayed.


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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:54pm.

Lets put you to sleep.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 8:50pm.

LOL!! Persons who have not grown up with dogs who give unconditional love just don't understand. PTC appears to have problems dealing with logic and facts. . .but hang in there! Often love for a person or animal has nothing to do with genetics.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 9:04pm.

There have been people who gave nothing but unconditional love to their pit bulls for years and they attacked their owners with no apparent reason. This isn't hearsay or speculation--it is a fact.

Regarding automobiles, since they were brought up,---if you had a car and loved it and it ran beautifully but it was proven to burst into flames at the slightest contact--even though your car had been tapped once or twice before with no problem, would you keep that car and take your child/children back and forth to daycare/school/church? Or would you do the prudent thing and not take a chance? Would you assume that because your car never burst into flames that it was worth the risk to keep driving that car because it was pretty, easy on gas and drove beautifully--and after all life is full of chances? I hope both of you would venture on the side of safety.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:45pm.

. . .and my point is the individual will make that choice, based on his/her experience. (I find it hard to compare dogs to cars - I'm a REAL dog lover - and look upon cars as 'things'. I would just like persons to judge dogs by their actions instead of their breed. My son has a pit bull that has a marvelous, loving disposition. However, I would never physically discipline my grandchildren in the dogs’ presence. I was raised with collies - and they also have great dispositions - but don't cross them. Mytimite - watch out for a mother if you try to harm her child! We say there was 'no reason' for a dogs attack.

they attacked their owners with no apparent reason Sometimes the reason can be found in the training or lack of training of the animal; the health of the animal; the fear/anger manifested by the victim. Anyway - a dog lover will defend their dog. . . and I hope will protect the dog and those who come in contact with the dog. A cocker can cause great damage if provoked.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 11:13pm.

but so many times you just don't seem to get the point. Yes, cars are inanimate objects while animals are living and breathing creatures. I was pointing out that if there is any chance of danger I would not take that path. Now, don't tell me that there is danger everywhere. Yes, there is--but if I can keep from putting those I love in harm's way I will do so. I have had dogs all my life, my children have had dogs and my grandchldren and now my great-grandchildren all have dogs. We always have been and continue to be animal lovers. I hope you and yours never have to learn the hard way just what a pit bull can do to a person and especially a child. In none of the cases I mentioned was there any indication that they owners had in any way abused their pets. They, as you do, loved their pets--their pets had only shown them love--until the attack. Yes, cocker spaniels can do damage if provoked, but you can pry open a cocker's mouth--you cannot open a pit bull's once they have clamped down on something. You can hose them down, you can hit them, and they continue to hold on. I hope and pray that you and yours never have that experience--but even more so I hope some innocent bystander never suffers the pain and possible disfigurement that may be caused by your dog. Many times it is someone on the street or the house next door, where the dog just happened to get loose, or someone mistakenly left the gate open etc....

Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 10/16/2008 - 8:26am.

I hope and pray that you and yours never have that experience--but even more so I hope some innocent bystander never suffers the pain and possible disfigurement that may be caused by your dog. Many times it is someone on the street or the house next door, where the dog just happened to get loose, or someone mistakenly left the gate open etc....

Thank you for your concern and prayers.

My dog is a collie. My son's is a pit bull mix. The pit bulls that were taken from the Atlanta football player's home were not all destroyed because of their breed or experience. Some are now in homes and in neighborhoods - hopefully with loving families . My point is - not all pit bulls are bad. My point is not all dogs of a certain breed are good or bad. There are many other factors that contribute to a dogs 'nature'. This is a point that some who participate in discussions have difficulty understanding. My point is that telling a dog lover to put their dog to sleep because you have a belief that all dogs of that breed are bad is a wee bit arrogant in my opinion. You gave good advice. You received a response. Thanks.

By the way - have you ever tried to pry open the mouth of a St. Bernard? He was our family's companion for 12 years. Helped me raise my two sons. It was very hard for all of us when he passed away. We would have missed 12 years of unconditional love and loyal protection if we were afraid of not being able to 'pry open his mouth'.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 9:15pm.

I had one of those cars - Ford Pinto. Smiling
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Submitted by MYTMITE on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 9:24pm.

A cute little blue one. As soon as that report came out--that car was gone! They had only been married a few years and my first grandchild was an infant. It was not worth taking a chance. How long did you have yours?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:18pm.

I had it from 1980 to 1987 when we lived in the LA area. It was bumped "big time" by a young lady trying to get someplace in a hurry. Crumpled up the right rear. I checked it out and the gas tank and that "funky" shield that Ford put in was OK. Her insurance company paid me off as it was a 1972 model. I pocketed the money and kept driving it. Obviously, I'm not into status symbols. Smiling

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Submitted by dawn69 on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 12:41am.

Davids mom: That is why I like you - I imagine that you are a person with an incredible amount of unconditional love to give. You're wise to dealings of the heart which has very little to do with logic.

Southernbelle: Keep your grace. Only you know what's best for your children.

"The most beautiful things in the world can not be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart." - Helen Keller

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Submitted by zoes on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 2:51pm.

"Hopefully one of Keisha's puppies, if they ever decide to breed her."

You did NOT just say that! After seeing that there are unwanted dogs used for bait, thrown out to fend for themselves, or killed for lack of a home how could you???

You want a pit bull? Or any dog? There are plenty of rescue groups trying to stop the madness. Start there. If you really want to make a difference, lobby to have laws passed like CA where a dog owner MUST have a breeders license to have allowed his/her dog to have puppies.

People are so disgustingly irresponsible and entitlement minded it just makes me boil.

Oh - and MOST IMPORTANTLY - get that wonderful dog spayed (not being sarcastic about the wonderful - I believe you). NOW.


"Never love anything that can't love you back."

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 4:03pm.

I have rescued almost every animal I've ever owned. We're looking into pet adoption, but I want a PUPPY pit bull. If it isn't a puppy then I can't train it properly, no matter what the rescue group/humane society/shelter says. AS IT IS, you attacked me based on what? A possibility? What are you doing to prevent "unwanted" pet pregnancies? Because Keisha is NOT fixed, my parents keep her leashed at all times, and she doesn't leave the backyard without a leash. Being a responsible pet owner requires diligence, checking and double checking that gates are locked before letting her out, paying attention to surroundings while walking her, etc. They are very diligent, as am I, because I'm what one would call a "responsible" pet owner.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 9:47am.

You are terribly over-sensitive and defensive. Attacked you? Hardly. I took an opportunity to stress the importance of spaying and neutering all animals. Not knowing you and knowing many other people read these blogs, it was the responsible thing to do.

When you calm down, you can apologize and thank me for helping to educate the general population.


"Never love anything that can't love you back."

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:13am.

Consider using TACT. Are you familiar with that? That old saying "you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" goes a long way in life. You were tactless and for that, you ought to apologize. Thank you for helping to educate the general population in a manner that screams "YOU'RE ALL WRONG AND I'M RIGHT" it seems to be working.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:53am.

I don't like flies, so being tactful is a waste of words. Making my point clearly is much more effective. Conversing with you is not effective or even entertaining.


"Never love anything that can't love you back."

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Submitted by ftp on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 5:28am.

I have a pit pup (6WKS) that needs a home if you are really looking.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:10am.

I said I will eventually get one of my own. Not today. My little dog Ella just turned one today. Thank you, though.
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Submitted by Nitpickers on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 5:09am.

Been back to "red door" lately?
That is also dangerous!

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/15/2008 - 10:08am.

Never been there. Wouldn't know. From the stories I've heard and read, I wouldn't step foot in there.

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Submitted by Shhhh on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 3:39pm.

I couldn't have said it better myself...

Submitted by Shhhh on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 8:38pm.

To say all pit bulls are as unpredictable is not a fair statement. I'm going to play the card everybody else is- You don't have one so you don't know. They are smart dogs but feel threatened easily. They DO like to be dominant (like many other dogs- regardless of the breed). Because of the alpha dog syndrome, many do not get along with other dogs. Just because a dog doesn't get along with other dogs does not mean that it is a bad dog. It simply means that it is a high maintenance dog that needs extra attention. There are many high maintenance dogs out there. Unfortunately- bad owners don't realize that ALL dogs NEED training and discipline.

I think that all dog owners should be screened just because there are irresponsible idiots who do not spay or neuter their dogs (thus adding on to the overwhelming overpopulation issue). If a breeder does not have a breeding license, they should not be able to breed their dog. There are two types of breeders: Trashy & Classy. Trashy breeders consist of pet stores such as "Haynes" and backyard breeders. They do not care about the future of the animal you are sold. Classy breeders (with a license) or pet adoption agencies actually care about where their animals go. They should be the only ones to sell a pet.

In California (I think-LA), they passed a "you cannot breed without a license" law which I think is a SUPER idea. I hope it spreads to other states (and quickly). Idiots who do not spay their animals as well as trashy backyard breeders would be subject to penalties. It wouldn't solve the issue b/c there will always be trashy people out there... But it would be a darn good help.

Please be open minded, people! Any long time dog owner knows that no 2 dogs are alike simply b/c they are the same breed. One can be a "perfect" dog while the other is a total terror. Some pee on the floor when they get excited. Some try to "romance" the guests. Others simply cannot be around other dogs. When you adopt an animal- You adopt a member of the family. If you knew your kid freaks out when you put him around clowns, would you get him a clown for his birthday? NO! Don't put your alpha dog around other dogs. It really isn't rocket science. Be responsible with your family and be responsible with your pets.

I hope this story is a good lesson to the pit bull owners out there. It is a sad situation and it increases the bad rep pit bulls have gotten over the years. Don't add to the hate towards pits by being irresponsible.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 4:18pm.

In California (I think-LA), they passed a "you cannot breed without a license" law which I think is a SUPER idea. I hope it spreads to other states (and quickly).

Is this for people too? Evil

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Submitted by juno988 on Tue, 10/14/2008 - 11:26am.

I'm glad you and Shhhh are so open minded! Tina Marie Canterbury,last year, was also open minded when her two full blooded red nosed pits, that were well cared for, slept on her couch, etc. and then decided to kill her in her own backyard. Or what about Lorinze Reddings, very well kept pits that ripped out his throat in his home. They both raised these pits from loving puppies, smoochy, smoochy, sleep in my bed, until one day, you guessed it, the old pack mentality set in and they killed their good buddy, buddy owner. - Go on and leave your kids alone with old sparky! When your at Publix, you'll be wondering what Sparky's chewing on! Google those names and read the facts ----- Watch out for those viscious, wiener dogs!

Submitted by juno988 on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 8:27am.

Again we hear the ramblings of "Dont Blame the Breed" crowd. Give me a break, take a look at http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

Copy and paste that into your browser and you'll see that over a period of time the ever loving pit bull breed had around 1200 attacks vs. less than 10 for most other breeds. You want to tell me it's not the breed!!! It's like watching someone walk around with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth, what idiots!! Keep letting your small children play with your oh so loving pit bulls that would never harm my family - Get your head out of the sand and don't complain when your dog gets a little older and those inherited traits kick in when they feel the least bit threatened over food, etc., and decide to take a bite out of their own family!!! Maybe they get loose and attack and you loose everything due to your own ignorance of the facts about that loving BREED! We'll see you behind bars also!

Submitted by Shhhh on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 7:48pm.

Did you not see the update where it said the man has been involved in MULTIPLE neglect and abuse cases? You might want to re-read that part...

Submitted by juno988 on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 9:48am.

I guess if all the mopes / thugs, multiple neglect abusers, etc. had chosen to neglect the wiener dog, that breed would top out on the viscious killer list. I'll go with my old Saint Bernard that I watched nearly kill a Pit Bull that was sic(ed) on him by his thug owner. A Saint Bernard has never once killed a child! Go give that ungly Pit Bull a hug, but watch that he doesnt' rip out your throat! Don't refute the numbers that add up to an imbalanced, typically viscious inbred breed!

Submitted by AWAKENED on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 11:43am.

Before you start popping off at the mouth about something you do not no much about you might want to educate yourself a little more on this subject and take a look at some othar statistics on dogs besides the pitt bull. I have provided one below for you that clearly shows that there were more attacks on humans by german sheppards then pitt bulls and they are not the only ones. There are also dobermans, chows, rottweilers, malumutes, husky's and many more and for your info I owned a pitt for 12 years and in those 12 years I never saw one bit of aggression out of her around my kids or anyone else but I will tell you that in those 12 years I knew of a jack russel terrier that attacked 4 different people, a black lab that had to be put to sleep due to a viscious attack, a chiuahua attack, a german sheppard that was so territorial that you could not step out of your car until the owners came out and a choc. lab turn on their owner.So maybe you are the one who realy needs to wake up and learn the facts and not just go on what you hear from the media or read on the internet.

TABLE 4 Review of Several Dog-Bite Reports Identifying the Dog Breed That Caused the Most Incidents
Author Year No. of Cases Dog Breed That Caused Most Incidents


Avner and Baker13 1991 168 German shepherd
Greenhalgh et al14 1991 159 German shepherda
Unshelm et al15 1993 284 German shepherd
Gershman et al16 1994 178 German shepherd
Thompson17 1997 356 Dobermana
Gandhi et al18 1999 67 Pit bull
Reuhl et al5 2001 20 (deaths) German shepherd
Kahn et al4 2003 100 German shepherda
Mitchell et al19 2003 44 Rottweiler
Schalamon et al 2004 341 German shepherda

In all studies that were based on dog population, German shepherd and Doberman are the breeds that are most likely to be involved in dog-bite accidents.

a Based on dog population.

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Submitted by juno988 on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 7:55am.

Lets see now: Deaths of humans by breed since 1982: Pit bulls have killed 104 humans. German Shephads have killed 7. Rottweilers have killed 58. Golden Retrievers have killed 1 by accidental strangulation with a leash. Yet, you want to give me stats on chiuahuas?? I'll stick with the Golden Retriever when the bet is on my kids life and a 12 year old dog just one day freaking out! You keep drinking that Pit Bull Kool-aid buddy!! You got lucky with yours, 104 other people didn't!

Submitted by AWAKENED on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 2:24pm.

Once again you are rambling off about something you still have not done your research on so once again I will say "educate yourself!" Here I will even give you a little help. Why don't you try looking up one of the best resources out there for animals. It's called THE NATIONAL CANINE RESEARCH instead of giving me stats you have pulled off from some lawyer's website (dogbitelaw.com) and mine was not so called luck it was from LOVE & TRAINING that was given to my dog. Maybe one day you will look past the end of your nose and not be so close minded to subjects like these and figure out that it's not always a certain breed of an animal but the way it is raised that determines the fate.

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Submitted by dawn69 on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 11:41pm.

Like I stated in a previous post, like you I owned a pit (Hershey) for 11 years. And, believe me, I understand why you love your dog. Hershey was also very loving - especially with me. For almost 10 years my husband worked 3rd shift and Hershey always slept with me - and depending on nightmares I often had him and one of the kids in my bed. I think he thought that the left side of the bed was HIS - and no, I never gave him peanut butter.LOL.

Then suddenly his world was turned upside down! My husband got 1st shift! Oh, my God was it a fight every night between hubby and dog over who was going to sleep in that bed. It got to the point where we had to shut the door and listen to him whine all night. I know it sounds crazy, but I honestly believe that Hershey saw that bed as HIS territory and me as HIS. Maybe that's why he attacked my husband that day - but we had no choice but to put him down and to this day I still MISS HIM SOOOOO MUCH!!

Like I said, I do understand why you love your dog and anyone who's ever loved a pit bull knows that they are good dogs. The problem is that IF they bite, they do so much more harm than a terrier or cocker. Their jaws are massive compared to most breeds and are designed to do serious damage. You are correct - most dog bites do come from breeds other than pits. It's just that when a pit DOES bite, it is often a serious injury and that's why the media grabs ahold of these reports.

Now, I'm going to go cuddle with my lab. From one dog lover to another - have a good night.Smiling Smiling

Submitted by AWAKENED on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 2:40pm.

Sorry to hear about your pitt & the best of luck to you and your family with your lab.

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 9:21pm.

I could see German Shepherds leading a "bite list". They are very often used as guard dogs, and guard dogs often bite, and those bites are usually reported.

One more thing, German Shepherds are VERY trainable, which makes them VERY good guard dogs.

Submitted by AWAKENED on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 2:36pm.

Thanks for asking. No I do not breed pitts but I have owned 2 for many years and found that they are one of the smartest & most loving animals you could ever own if trained right. They are also used as K-9 dogs for police departments because they are so intelligent and trainable. It just really pisses me off when people start rambling on about how bad they are when they have never even owned or been around one for a long period of time. All they go on is what they here on the news. There have been several attacks by all types of other dogs but you don't here about them on the news because they are not headline material. I just wish that more people would educate themselves on subjects before they get into debates over them. It's really annoying!!

Submitted by Lawdawg140 on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:55pm.

Hey awakened, I'm a Police K-9 Handler. I agree with you for the most part. To help educate the public...I agree that NOT all Pitbulls are Vicious animals that should be shot on site! Each dog has its own personality...Personality in dog training terms are called "drives and Character traits". Pitbulls are high energy, high drive dogs, that are very intelligent AND have the trainability to be very protective. But Pitbulls also have high prey drive(EX: A Wolf chasing a rabbit). If you run, its going to chase you because it sees YOU as prey!
They are more on the lines of Guard Dogs(not Police Dogs due to their bite strength Pitbull: 2000+psi, German/Dutch/Mal:800psi) BUT it depends on how each individual dog is brought up and raised by the owner. I was attacked on duty by two pitbulls who were trained to fight(Not in fayette county BTW)! I had to protect myself and a 13yr old child who was running away... I love animals, ALL ANIMALS and give em all a fair shot when I encounter them...

Submitted by Shhhh on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 10:04pm.

If they are not trained- they have potential to be VERY dangerous dogs. Do they not?

This guy has been involved in several abuse and neglect cases. I would say those pitbulls probably didn't have a good owner and were not trained.

Submitted by Jones on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 9:16pm.

Those dogs just all of a sudden snap on you. I've seen it happen.

Once they've got a hold on you, it's all over.

Submitted by Shhhh on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 7:51pm.

Yeah- Because the jogger died, right?
WRONG. The dogs DID eventually retreat. This is not a dog snapping on a human- It's dogs snapping on dogs. It happens. A lot. Breed doesn't matter. Some dogs don't get along with other dogs.

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Submitted by Shoebox on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 2:06pm.

There is no excuse for what happened! I hope this guy gets the max! He is a liar and a dog abuser! The police should have dealt with this dog owner long before this incident! My heart goes out to the person and dog who were injured. There is no place safe anymore!

Submitted by FCguy on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 10:20pm.

Yes, you can own a pit bull and they can be as sweet as can be. But then again tiger keepers at zoos have been able to raise tigers to be mostly tame too. Though they may have accomplished this you still wouldn’t be able to keep a tiger in your back yard. I believe if you want to own a pit bull you should be required to get a license. Such a license would require a background check and a simple home inspection (to confirm you have appropriate housing for such a dog, IE good fencing). The license would be a 3-5 year renewal rate and a cost consummate with the cities cost on supplying the license.

These dog are powerful and are more apt to be violent than others. Just because you can tame a tiger doesn’t mean you should bring one home as a pet. Same goes for a pit bull.

It goes without saying that pit bulls are the quintessential dog for wana be and real gangsters. Years ago I can remember a boy who aspired to be quite ghetto. When the topic of dogs came up one day he said, "Ima get me a pit." If a license were required which included a home inspection the price of pit bulls from breeders would tank. A small price to pay to keep your blood inside your body where it belongs.

Submitted by AWAKENED on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 8:56pm.

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Submitted by rzz on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 7:17pm.

and good driving whoever ran over the other one. Reid, I hope your sorry butt gets sued to heck and back and you spend some quality time in the gray bar hotel.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:49pm.

AKA urban renewal round.
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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 4:31pm.

The Ruger MINI-14 is really, really cool.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 4:47pm.

I do like mine - 182 series.

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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 4:59pm.

Don't shoot 5.56's in it. They're lying and a new barrel will cost you big bucks.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 5:04pm.

I shoot UMC, Remington, and the Israeli stuff. I have even shoot my own reloads. No problems yet.
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Submitted by AWAKENED on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:16pm.

You know what gets me is that I can almost guarantee that every single person that has made bad comments about pitt bulls on here has never been around one for any long period of time. So..... you should probably get to know one in person before you start making comments about something you really know nothing about!!

Submitted by PTC Jogger on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 5:35am.

I have been around them quite a bit. My brother-in-law had one and my nephew has one. they are very loyal when their masters are close by. but any animal is still an animal, and if they misinterpret a situation or something sets them off, they are dangerous, pit bulls are worse because they can do so much more damage.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:50pm.

Everyone knows the owner is the real problem, and at fault here. No dog should be out roaming.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:40pm.

I won't EVER have to be around either of those two mentioned in the article again. What's sad is that someone had to get injured before the OWNER even was aware of his problem dogs.

Submitted by Shhhh on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 8:42pm.

May I refer you to the part where it says the owner has been involved in multiple neglect and abuse cases? Obviously he didn't care... which probably caused the problem.

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 9:18pm.

Hence my comment that the owner wasn't even aware...he was a LOSER.

Submitted by Shhhh on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 10:15pm.

My point is that the dogs wouldn't be "problem dogs" had the owner been a decent owner in the first place. Don't blame the dogs for their owner being a loser.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:25pm.

Perhaps. However, several communities have enacted bans against that breed.
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Submitted by dawn69 on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 5:27pm.

Are you in your cubicle this week? Do we need to bake you a cake with a file inside? How about Red Velvet?

Until a year ago, we had a choc. lab/ pitbull mix (Hershey) whom we adopted from the animal shelter as a pup. We had Hershey for 11 years (longer than we've had our children) and always loved him. In all that time he was always loving and gentle. He did snap at my son a few times when he was a toddler - you would too if some kid tried to stick a hotwheel up your a**. Everything was peachy until a year ago when he attacked my husband (biting and drawing blood that resulted in 6 wounds), growled at me, and snapped at the kids. We had no choice but to have him put down. I still can't figure how my darling Hershey could have gone so berzerk. I will never own a dog that has even a little pit in him. We now have a beautiful black lab - Cole.

Submitted by AWAKENED on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 10:20am.

Dawn69 FYI.... you might want to keep a close eye on your black lab also! I knew a guy who owned a black lab that turned on him and mangled his head to pieces. He had to have skin graphs done for years and he also had to put his dog that he had for many years to sleep. It just goes to show you that pitt bulls are not the only so called dangerous animals or pets out there. Hell even a cat can turn on you if your not careful. "PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED!!"

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 5:41am.

a file would work but make sure that the cake is one of those non-fat varieties. I don't want to encourage those fat cells to multiply. Smiling
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Submitted by dawn69 on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 1:09pm.

I find that if you eat a bite of cake, then do 10 jumping jacks - you've evened the score! Eye-wink Eye-wink

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