The VP Debate - Biden or Palin

Thu, 10/02/2008 - 6:54am
By: Cyclist

Will it make a difference?

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Submitted by muddle on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 11:38am.

The best Palin skit yet?

Tina Fey as Sarah Palin

Global warming whosawhatsiss?
Talent portion?

This is really funny stuff.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 11:45am.

she is a fan of Sir James Galloway.
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Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 1:24pm.

I'll just bet you that if Ms. Palin has to take-over as President soon in case John has trouble, that she could come up with a solution for the credit crisis quickly.
She could handle that easily at the same time as the two wars in the middle east (in Asia, Sarah, not NC and VA!) and also start the needed repairs to our entire national infrastructure (Sarah, that means roads and bridges, and water, and dams, and you know, stuff!).

I have no fear----just horror.

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 5:35pm.

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Submitted by R on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 7:12am.

Yes but can't we over look those lies and exaggerations? He was awfully cute and friendly and just good fun. And what a great smile and sharp dresser.

I mean aren't facts overrated anyway? Nobody seeks the truth anymore that is so old school. We like flash and style. We want a veep and prez who will be on the cover of Rolling Stone and who make the best dress list. We want a prez who will knuckle knock his wife (high five's are so out!).

At the end of the day what really matters is sitting down with terrorist countries and with cookies and milk and showing the world we can all play nicely. Now that is change you can believe in! The rest its overrated!

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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 10/04/2008 - 11:38am.

TAX VOTE: The resolution itself would not raise taxes, another piece of legislation would have been required. McCain did not vote for it. He skipped the vote altogether.

AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Biden is correct. People do not know who the leader of Iran is. He is Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khameini.

TROOP FUNDING: Biden is correct. McCain did vote against the troop-funding bill in question, H.R. 1591, on March 29, 2007, when it originally cleared the Senate.

OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden is correct the charge is false.

Not Coming Clean on Coal

ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: Biden was wrong. McCain opposed alternative energy legislation 11 times not 23.

HEALTH INSURANCE: the average family health insurance is $12K. McCain would tax it as income and give a $5K tax credit. Who knows?

AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden is correct.

"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution.

Commander in Afghanistan Wants More Troops

Fannie & Freddie REGULATION: Biden was correct. McCain voted at least 13 times to deregulate. His warning was too little to late reversing himself after 14 years of opposition.

McCain's 'warning' on Fannie & Freddie

BAILOUT: Biden was correct. Obama laid out five principals for the bailout all of which were included:

We support an independent, bipartisan board to ensure accountability and complete transparency.

Second, we need to protect taxpayers. There should be a path for taxpayers to recover their money, and to turn a profit if Wall Street prospers.

Third, no Wall Street executive should profit from taxpayer dollars. This plan cannot be a welfare program for CEOs whose greed and irresponsibility has contributed to this crisis.

Fourth, we must help families who are struggling to stay in their homes. We cannot bail out Wall Street without helping millions of families facing foreclosure on Main Street.

Fifth, we both agree that this financial rescue package should move on its own without any earmarks or other measures. We have different views about the need for other action, but this must be a clean bill.


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Submitted by birdman on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 3:59pm.

It's tough living here in neocon central. People get all their info from Sean Hannity, Rush, etc. I know you have taken nearly as many cheap shots as Obama, but your fact checking is essential. It is good to have someone who calls out these idiotic claims. Please keep it up. We need to turn the Ship of State quickly, the iceberg may have already been hit.

Take care. Many of us to appreciate your input.


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Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 8:32pm.

more. They must not have gotten your GOP email.


Submitted by hobnobbing on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 12:34pm.

This was not a sporting event. Who will win, who will lose, what's the point spread? It was a debate. You could either agree,disagree or be neutral with there ideologies. I feel they both shared some good and maybe not so good information as to how they will help lead as a VP. Guess it depends on which side of the aisle you set on. But to say who won? I don't get it.

Submitted by susieq on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 8:02pm.

Not a winner? I guess you never hobnobbed with the Debate Team in school.

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Submitted by Fyt35 on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 5:28am.

I thought the debate went well for both candidates, no clear ‘winner” so to speak on this one. They were well versed on the subjects, however, neither one would go out on a limb at any given time. I did see Joe startled when Sarah Palin threw the gay marriage question right back at him and put him on the spot, that was priceless.
The moderator did a fantastic job, I would not mind seeing her moderate the presidential debates.

"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is".
Winston Churchill


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:10pm.

...much, much better. Biden clearly won the debate, as expected.

That was an interesting debate to watch. Much more interesting than Obama/McCain I.


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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:23pm.

Typical Lib-tard, they'd defend Brian Nichols saying the witnesses in the Court were all hypnotized by people from outer space . . .


diva's picture
Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 6:45am.

The majority of polled voters agree that Senator Biden won that debate. He was the one who wasn't shuffling cue cards and reading bumper sticker slogans. You aren't taking some kind of veiled swipe at Sarah Palin's infant son are you? Are you in grade school? The fact that you would even use your time to type that blurb when you could be out trying to find a life is interesting. But I'll continue to give you the respect you command....................


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:29pm.

It must be very disconcerting to you that people don't agree with your simplistic view of the world. I suspect your life has been a series of disappointments.

As far as the debate went, I thought it was especially insightful of Gov. Palin to demonstrate her Achilles Heel, rather than tell us about it.

And isn't it good to know that at the age of 44, she's never once had to change her view on anything? Shiny-eyed zealotry conquers all!


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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:00pm.

No, nothing at all. A refreshing change from the usual MSM bias for anyone not the Obamessiah. She asked questions of both, no sneers, haughty body language or mysterious language. While Sarah allowed a lot of really GREAT opportunities to call the #3 Lib on his policies pass, she did okay.

I still wish she'd have started with "Ifill, it's very nice to meet you and I WON'T ask you to stand up".


Submitted by USArmybrat on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:09pm.

Oh, God love ya! Everybody stand up for Mainframe here! (You get it don't ya?)

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 9:35pm.

I do wish they would have turned off the mics immediately after the debate.
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Submitted by USArmybrat on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 10:06pm.

I think she did a fairly good job with her questions and demeanor. Unless I missed something, she showed no bias. That said, I also believe that Gov. Palin has a taste for Biden stew. She handled him like she does a moose!

Submitted by rjhatl on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 8:29am.

If that's how she handles a moose, she must be one very hungry woman.

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Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 6:55am.

"I also believe that Gov. Palin has a taste for Biden stew. She handled him like she does a moose!"

Not so much IMHO.

Biden lashed the Palin-McCain ticket to President Bush by going down a laundry list of economic and foreign policy ideas that are no different from President Bush's, and all Sarah offered up in their defense were crickets. She did not even try to rebut. She said "We're mavericks" and "He's a maverick," but never said why or how....

She did not embarrass herself though, so it goes back to Obama vs McCain.


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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 9:34pm.

No, no one listens to me.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 9:40pm.

That's OK, I have the same problem.Smiling
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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 9:18pm.

Sarah, stick a knife in his jugular, call him on this mortgage debacle, caused by the DIMS, starting with Jimmah and Bubbah, right thru the crooks who've been raping the system who now work for Obumbles! Ol' "Stand up Chuck" keeps preaching their Socialistic, income redistribution! Get him Sarah! She should have attacked a lot more. Oh wait, "Stand Up" is talking about Cheney -- here he goes!


diva's picture
Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 6:59am.

I realize why you are a computer guy. Judging by this, you may not be too good with people. They tend to think in more than one dimension.
DIMS
Jimmah
Bubbah
Obumbles
Socialist (what administration is poised to oversee the socialization of our economy Einstein?)

Sad little dude


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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:51am.

Journalism is dead. Here we have an Obama hack, who has a financial interest in him winning the election, moderating the one and only VP debate.

Ifill did not disclose the fact that she had a book coming out when she asked to be considered a moderator.

I get it, it's all part of the "Affirmative Action" program for electing our next Presiden, because Obama surely couldn't make it on his own.


Submitted by rjhatl on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 8:35am.

"Ifill did not disclose the fact that she had a book coming out when she asked to be considered a moderator."

Can you provide some background as to how you know this? Or are you just blowing smoke? Do you remember that she also moderated the VP debate in 2004? I doubt that she "asked to be considered a moderator", I think it's more likely that the campaigns asked _her_ to moderate the debates again.

Her forthcoming book has been public information. The Republicans obviously had no problem with it when the agreed to the debates, as they approved of the debate details. And if the Republicans didn't know about her book, then they showed the same care and caution in vetting her as they did Sarah Palin.

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Submitted by diva on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 8:40am.

Your post absolutely makes sense...... So Fred Garvin will NEVER understand it LOL!


Submitted by jackyldo on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 3:10pm.

you get your republican talking points from Karl Rove.

If Repug talk radio was not screaming this, for 2 days prior, you'd have never even imagined it.

She is writing a book about Politics and the black community, which will include a chapter (not yet written) about Obama. It will be released in mid January around inauguration day.

Submitted by bowser on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 5:20pm.

Mr. Garvin, I don't agree with you about much, but I agree with you on this. Given the subject and timing of her book, she should be nowhere near the stage tonight. The Debate Commission screwed up, and her response is arrogant and lame.

But, lucky for you, it probably will work to Palin's advantage because Ifill will overcompensate and lob a bunch of softballs.

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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 6:02pm.

Palin is going to do fine.

And if she doesn't it probably won't effect the outcome. Remember “You're no Jack Kennedy”?

McCain's people have got to let her out. By hiding her they've only increased suspicions about her. American's are generous people and they don't expect her to know every foreign leader or the capital of Chad.

She should have been doing local press at every stop to make her more comfortable with the media. Why throw her into the lions den of the national press? They'll howl but then they'll report on what she tells the local media anyway. Local press people are excited to get to interview a VP candidate, they're not out there to trip her up and they won't ask her how she's going to bring peace to the Middle East. They'll ask her about Alaska, how is the family holding up, how the financial crisis is affecting her, is she afraid for her son in Iraq, has she heard from him since she went overseas, does she think the economy will recover, do the polls bother her, killed a moose lately?

She's got a great story, an interesting family and draws huge crowds. McCain's people are doing her a great disservice. Put her out there and let her learn.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 7:23pm.

I for one, think we need more "outsiders" in Washington, no matter the party.

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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 5:35pm.

She is an irresponsible pick--sort of like McCain and Palin. Even if she has nothing but good will and fairness in her heart, the very fact that her role is reasonably challenged should have been sufficient.

(An ABC anchor said she is writing a "pro-Obama book." His partner jumped in and said, "Well, we cannot say that it is pro-Obama, but it is about Obama.")

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Submitted by Nitpickers on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 3:10am.

You have more confidence than I do if you think that a debate moderator for a political forum can be found who doesn't have a favorite and in some way will show some of it!

The candidates themselves will indicate whether it is fair questioning or not. So will the public.

I don't think they picked Jessee to interview Biden, nor Streisand to interview Palin!

We should not give this woman anymore protection than is given other candidates. If she can't cut the mustard, she can't.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 7:36pm.

Meaning specifically that if Gwen gets to play the game tonight - the game she is betting on with her book selling if the halfblack gets in, then using that same standard - Pete Rose gets a pass for his betting and gets into the Hall of Fame.

What say you JeffC?


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 8:58am.

half-white, half-black = bi-racial.

Use whatever term you wish. We need to stop voting based on race alone. We have some very glaring examples of what happens when people vote based on race alone. The city of Atlanta, Detroit, DeKalb and Clayton counties. The motto of my race right or wrong doesn't seem to work.

I think Ifil did a great job last night.

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Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 11:15am.

Mudcat's words are classless and vile and part of why I will never, ever, never be a member of a party that harbors folks who freely use such classless expressions to describe people; senators; presidential candidates; neighbors whom they don't agree with socially or politically. I'm waiting for BOTH of you to OWN up to your FAILURES of expressing opinions without injecting race or racism.

I'm beginning to think that it is not possible for you guys though.


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 10:21pm.

Why do you keep leaving out the half-white part? obama should be proud of his bi-racial heritage.

Why do you keep leaving out the half-white part hack? Are you racist? Do you have something against white people?

Cheers to you.

diva's picture
Submitted by diva on Sat, 10/04/2008 - 7:32pm.

Stay with us Skyspy:

WHO left off "half-white?"

A. The original poster that said " If halfblack wins" or

B. The posters that pointed out how tasteless that comment is?

You might copy your post along with the "Are you racist" question and address it to Mudcat. And while you're at it, answer your own question WRT your use of "ragheads". You are much, much better than that.


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/04/2008 - 9:42pm.

The main point Hack is that no one wants to acknowledge that obama is half-white and half-black. He is bi-racial. Which is actually the best advertisement for our country. obama's self description as a black man is disrespectful of his white heritage. He is pandering to the black vote. He is bi-racial.

This country is a melting pot, all of our ancestors came here from somewhere else. The Native Americans or American Indians are the only "original Americans".

The only good thing to come out of this election if obama wins will be that he is bi-racial. A person who has a multi-ethnic background would be a perfect advertisment for our country. I just wish it was someone who knew how many states the U.S. consists of. I wish that bi-racial president didn't associate with terrorists or racist ministers.

I agree the term "ragheads" is very crass. I won't apologize for it. I truly am sick to death of rude middle eastern men trying to bully me, an American into buying a product from a company who sold out our country by taking jobs overseas to save a buck. More will go the same direction if your false god gets elected and raises taxes on companies. If the cost of doing buisness here goes any higher they will all go.

I'm also sick of the terrorist threats that come out of that region. If they don't like Americans fine, just leave us alone. They started this hate fest on 9-11.

Don't worry your false god will win by a landslide, because Americans love simple easy answers. They are totally wowed with the empty talking point of change. They have no idea what that change will be, because even your false god can't express what that change will be. But there will be change and Americans love a quick simple "fix" for all of their problems. They want their problems to disappear overnight. The empty promise of change looks like the easy answer they are all hoping for.

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Submitted by diva on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 2:44pm.

if you didn't conflict yourself so often.

1. You scold Barack: "obama's self description as a black man is disrespectful of his white heritage." And you, in your next breath, unapologetically rationalize your racial slur.

2. You say "Americans love simple easy answers. They are totally wowed with the empty talking point of change," yet you are voting for Sarah Palin. SARAH PALIN! and her running mate who actually stole the whole "change" label from his democratic rival. Either way Americans vote for "change," and if you think Barack is the harder change to differentiate from our current course, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.

No. Republicans like yourself will NEVER take responsibility for their failures. They will unapologetically say John McCain lost this election because of the false hope of his adversary.

It will have NOTHING to do with our current policies or John McCain's connections to them and support for them.

It will have nothing to do with his temperament.

It will have nothing to do with his reckless choice for a VP, unvetted no less.

It will all be the "halfblacks" fault.

Suit yourself. The folks you support could have made Barack just another guy if they had honestly , openly, and effectively lead this country.


Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 4:03pm.

obama pushed his grandmother under a bus when he referred to her as a "typical white person". That is not being respectful of your white heritage.

Yes, I support McCain because I think his energy plan is better. His tax plan is better. I think we have a better chance of keeping American companies in America if we don't tax them into oblivion.

I don't see "raghead" as a racial slur. Since you do, I will refrain from using it around you.

Keep the venom coming buddy. You are a real charm.

Submitted by Davids mom on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 4:29am.

The main point Hack is that no one wants to acknowledge that obama is half-white and half-black. He is bi-racial. Which is actually the best advertisement for our country. obama's self description as a black man is disrespectful of his white heritage. He is pandering to the black vote. He is bi-racial.

No one? Did you read his books or the reviews of his books? Obama has never made a secret of his heritage. He has never denied that he was raised during most of his formative years by his grandparents who are VERY WHITE - and from the heartland, Kansas. In our wonderful, but racist country - one is identified by the color of his skin. Obama is visually identified as 'black'. Tom Bradley, a black man, was mayor of Los Angeles for 20 years. . . elected by blacks and
Whites and Asians and Hispanics. Kenny Hahn, a white man, was elected for years as representative to the LA City Council from the Watts community - predominantly 'black'. Americans don't always follow a racist pattern. If Obama had less melanin in his skin, carried the last name of 'Smith', etc. - we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Sky, Americans are racist. . .it's part of our history. We are trying so hard not to be - because it is a real weakness in our American story. But it's there! This election has shown that America (the US) is changing. More and more - this election is becoming about the ISSUES! Why just the other day - I saw a sign REPUBLICANS FOR OBAMA in the parking lot at Walgreens.

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Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 7:04am.

These are all terms from posts here on The Citizen from our "friendly" Republicans. Is it just a rolling litany of ethnic slurs and classless insults and innuendos? Are the Mainframe computers, mudcats, and skyspys of the republican party here to win support over for the most un amicable senator in Washington or are you just here to show the true face of republicanism today? Wow! You guys are coming apart at the "made in China" seems. Is your party a cauldron of hate or is this a local phenomenon?


Submitted by Nitpickers on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 3:16am.

I see scores of so-called conservatives selling books on every show that exists on TV! It is the only way they can get rich enough, quickly, in order to float around espousing Limbaugh.

You do know Obama is kin of Cheney, don't you?
Have you checked your plantation relatives out closely?
You could be a Jefferson!

Submitted by Nitpickers on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 3:15am.

I see scores of so-called conservatives selling books on every show that exists on TV! It is the only way they can get rich enough, quickly, in order to float around espousing Limbaugh.

You do know Obama is kin of Cheney, don't you?
Have you checked your plantation relatives out closely?
You could be a Jefferson!

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 7:45pm.

Stay classy, Mudcat.


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 7:42pm.

my feelings at all, then don't bring up Pete Rose. I am still not over it.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."


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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 12:57pm.

"Ifill did not disclose the fact that she had a book coming out when she asked to be considered a moderator."

???

AP ran a story on Ifill's book on July 21st.

The Washington Post ran an article about Ifill Sept. 4 stating:

“To the extent she can carve out any spare time, Ifill is working on a book called "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama."

Ifill Has One Thing to Do: Her Job

FOX ran an article about her and Tavis Smiley July 21 which said:

"We have an awkward history about how to talk about race in the nation and in newsrooms," says Gwen Ifill, senior correspondent for PBS' "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer" and author of "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," slated for publication early next year.”

Obama and race

The Philidelphis Inquirer wrote about it May 8:

“...I am working on this book now, which is frankly taking almost all of my waking hours when I'm not at work. The book is about an emerging generation of black politicians - in fact, when I'm in town, I'll probably talk to your mayor - including focusing on Barack Obama...”

Journalism pioneer talks about politics, race, herself

Random House is advertising it on their website:

Politics and Race in the Age of Obama

Why should it matter anyway? Can someone give me an example of an unfair question to ask Palin?


Submitted by justwondering on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 9:55pm.

The issue is not that Ifill might ask an unfair question. The issue is Ifill's role as moderator is a conflict of interest e.g. a conflict between the private interests and the official responsibilities of a person in a position of trust. Ifill's appearance promotes her book, even if she never says one word about it. Hence, she receives financial gain. I imagine when her book is published in January, there will be a comment on the cover "moderator of the VP debate." Before Ifill was selected,the public and VP debate committee considered her to be a person of trust,so it was Ifill's ethical responsibilty to inform the committee of her book, not the committee to play detective.

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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 11:17pm.

C'mon. When the C-in-C nominee can't compute, don't expect much "intel" on anyone.

See also: Babymama-gate. Troopergate. Geography as foreign policy-gate.

'Nuff said.


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Submitted by diva on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 7:10am.

If you have the time, follow my posts titled "republican prediction" and see what you think. Smiling


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Submitted by wulfman on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 2:33pm.

Why should it matter anyway? Can someone give me an example of an unfair question to ask Palin?

Any questions regarding

1. The economy

2. Foreign countries or their leaders.

3. Duties of VP.

4. Budgets of any kind state or federal.

You can ask

1. Names of her children

2. Husbands name.

3. What country she can see from her kitchen window.

Wulf


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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 1:30pm.

Yeah, she disclosed it to everyone except to whom she should have.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 4:02pm.

Anyone with an internet connection could have taken the time to bone up on Ifill, prior to agreeing to her moderating such an important debate.

Oh, never mind, I forgot..... McCain doesn't know how to use the internet.

Whiney babies.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 4:28pm.

regarding this..

I can't find it with a quick google search.

JeffC's picture
Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 4:34pm.

The second entry is:

Washington Week with Gwen Ifill . About Gwen | PBS

Profile of Ifill and her book.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 7:16pm.

I'm fully aware of her and her book. I was interested in seeing what the above blogger was talking about when he said McCain and/or Palin were whining.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 11:43am.

"I was interested in seeing what the above blogger was talking about when he said McCain and/or Palin were whining."

I was actually referring to some of the bloggers on here who seemed to be whining about the Ifill choice.

BTW - I thought Ifill performed well and was unbiased in her questioning - a true professional. I hate it when a moderator becomes a distraction during a debate and Ifill kept the focus on the debaters.

Good job, and fascinating debate! One of my favorite moments during the debate was when Joe got choked up about losing his wife and daughter and the perils he encountered as a single parent. After Joe showed this raw emotion, Palin didn't even flinch or address him and went directly into one of her canned talking points. I thought that showed how disingenuous she really is.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 12:40pm.

But that's just me. Oh, I'm also against raising taxes. So I guess that does it for my vote.

Seriously, I saw very little of the debate. Anyone who bases their vote on a VP debate has issues, in my humble opinion.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 9:13pm.

Obama is only raising taxes for folks making more than $250K a year. McCain is not in it for the middle class. He's in it for the wealthy. If you're wealthy vote McCain. If you are middle class, you'd be a fool to vote McCain.

Submitted by jackyldo on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 3:45pm.

Let's see here....
Obama: Harvard Law School, graduated magna cum laude, and served as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.

Biden: BA in history, political science, University of Delaware; J.D., Syracuse University Law School

Palin: A Bachelors in journalism from the Univ of Idaho - Ms. Alaska runner up. Sarah Palin took six years to get her college degree, attending schools in Hawaii, Alaska, and Idaho. Four of five colleges contacted by the AP couldn’t find anyone who even remembered Sarah Palin or any records of any clubs or affiliations and Palin barely even graduated, with grades that reflected a major in partying, not journalism. Palin's first dream in life was to be sportscaster, covering hockey and basketball. She LOVED ESPN so much, she NAMED her daughter "Bristol," after the town in CT(You know, the one that's preggers)

McCain: got into Annapolis because his father and grandfather were admirals. He graduated FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM out of 899, and crashed 3 jets in training before being shot down down over Vietnam!

We've had a dumb President ((BUSH)) be smart America you want one who is smater than you are, no a beer buddy.

Submitted by justwondering on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 8:39pm.

Maybe you can shed some light on where Obama got the money to attend Harvard.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 9:05pm.

He went on an academic scholarship.


Submitted by justwondering on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 9:11pm.

Can you prove that ?

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 10:30am.

I don't really care. Call Harvard and ask if you want. Tell us what they say.


Submitted by Nitpickers on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 4:32am.

Obama is one intelligent dude, whether you like him or not.
He got the scholarship, but it could have been due to his race--not sure---but anyway he was smart enough to get it and he proved it by becoming a lawyer.

Now, many evil people are lawyers so we shall see, but he did get a scholarship!

Submitted by justwondering on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 10:52am.

On July 28 columnist Lynn Sweet wrote in the Chicago sun-Times "The Obama we don't know: deli man"
SUN-TIMES EXCLUSIVE | Behind the stump speech: summer jobs, college debt
She wrote "And recently, Obama came out with a spot where a narrator talks about how "he worked his way through college and Harvard Law," a claim that reminded me how much there is to know about Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, since he never talks about jobs he held as a student and didn't write about them in his memoir.
The Obamas complain about their college debt, but they did attend expensive schools. Obama took out $42,753 in loans to pay for Harvard tuition. Michelle signed notes for $40,762 in loans for her Harvard years. "
The Obama campaign has instructed Harvard law School not to divulge any information about Obama's years at Harvard, and Harvard is honoring this request
This makes me wonder what Obama is hiding.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 9:10pm.

Unfortunately, a lot of folks hold the man's intelligence against him. They are drawn to the Walmart mom who is just like them. Nevermind qualifications!

Submitted by notjustcomplaining on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 9:29pm.

I'm sick to death of politico's. Anyone can point fingers and pontificate. She's run a state, for God's sake. You make her sound like she's working the Wal-Mart.

Oh and your "intellectual" Obama - - just love those ties to potential terrorists!!!!

Submitted by notjustcomplaining on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 9:25pm.

I'm sick to death of politico's. Anyone can point fingers and pontificate. She's run a state, for God's sake. You make her sound like she's working the Wal-Mart.

Oh and your "intellectual" Obama - - just love those ties to potential terrorists!!!!

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 11:08am.

"Oh and your "intellectual" Obama - - just love those ties to potential terrorists!!!!"

There is so much dirt on John McCain and his dubious associations that the next 29 days will be nothing but a blood bath, which is really a shame and shows how much our political process has deteriorated. McCain and his campaign have become desperate in this final hour, as they see any hope of victory slipping away. That's why they're going to get dirty and use whatever Rovian swiftboat strategy they can at this point.

But where do you even start with McSame? Keating 5?? His good friend G. Gordon Liddy? Haggee and Parsley? How about his buddy and advisor, the white supremacist Richard Quinn? McCain's personal gambling addiction? His connection to Ralph Reed and Jack Abramoff? And then there's his bud convicted felon Raffaello Follieri (Ann Hathaway's ex) who McCain spent his 70th b-day with aboard Follieri's rented yacht. Plus, McCain's early years with his father in-law James Hensley and all his mob connections. And why did McCain send birthday wishes to the crime boss Joseph Bonnano? Then there's all the big-time lobbyists McCain has strong ties with, some who work on his campaign or fundraising - Doug Davenport (resigned over his Burmese junta lobbying ), Rick Davis, Randy Scheunemann, Wayne Berman, Charlie Black, Kirk Blalock, Eric Burgeson.... too many to name so here's a link: MCCAIN'S LOBBYISTS

Anyway, McSame should really rethink this new swiftboat strategy he's attempting to implement because it will undoubtedly backfire. If McCain does start wallowing in the mud, the Obama camp is ready with plenty of political ammo.

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 11:39am.

Carrying water for the republicans again, Hannity ran a special report on Sunday called "Barack Obama: History of Radicalism”. Hannity’s source was Andy Martin.

The same Andy Martin who ran as Connecticut's 3rd Congressional District seat under the name "Anthony R. Martin-Trigona." His campaign committee filed papers saying its purpose was to "exterminate Jew power in America and impeach U.S. District Court of Appeals judges in New York City."

And, in a New York bankruptcy case, he referred to a judge as a "crooked, slimy Jew." During the bankruptcy dispute, he filed a civil-rights lawsuit claiming Jewish bankruptcy judges and lawyers were conspiring to steal his property. He asked a court to bar "any Jew from having anything to do with plaintiff's property."

In another motion in the case, he wrote: "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did, when Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property."

The ads will start running in the predominantly Jewish sections of Miami and Daytona Beach today.

Keep it up Sean! And Thanks.


Submitted by boo boo on Sun, 10/05/2008 - 10:50pm.

Seems McCain was on a board with some not so nice people.
McCain sat on board of U.S. Council for World Freedom - tied to far right radicals. Excerpt from Baltimore Sun below.

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Paul Begala fired a warning shot across the bow of the McCain camp today, warning that others know John McCain's record much better than Sarah Palin does. He said this on today's Meet the Press:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Obama, he was asked about this [Ayers] in a debate in the primaries with Hillary Clinton sitting there, and George Stephanopoulos of ABC asked him about it. He answered it, pointed out that the despicable acts this guy committed were committed when apparently Barack Obama was eight years old.

And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”
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"It's like these guys [GOPers] take pride in being ignorant." - B. Obama.

Sarah Palin: "...so visibly scripted and lacking awareness." [The New York Times]

Submitted by fluffybear on Mon, 10/06/2008 - 6:17am.

Holding a political fund raiser in the man's living room while running for State Senate does not sound like 'He is just some guy that lived in my neighborhood'.
This man (Ayers) after 9/11 says the US deserved what happened it and that he wishes he would have done a better job. Sounds like he is not sorry for his actions and we as voters have the right to know what type of nut job Obama is friendly with

This type of association typically comes up in Federal background checks and quite often would disqualify you from employment or office.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 11:54am.

Regardless of her appearance to being unbiased, Ifill should have recused herself under the circumstances. If it was a conservative moderator that tried that stunt, the howls from the left could have been heard from coast to coast.

Biden was just a tad "Gore-esque" with his heavy sighs and breathing while Governor Palin was speaking. (maybe he thinks she is hot)

Still trying to figure out who the "Bosniacs" are that Joe referred to.


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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 12:07pm.

were heard from coast to coast even though the whole controversy was manufactured as a preemptive shield against Palin's possible gaffes.

BTW, who do you think picks the moderators?


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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 10:07am.

I should have read it better.


Submitted by susieq on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 7:06am.

I'm still fuming about the Charlie Gibson interview. He was not CORDIAL to Sarah Palin. He has always been cordial to men, so what was he trying to prove? She certainly doesn't intimidate him. If he was trying to make her fall flat on her face, she could do that with a cordial interview (see Katie Couric).

I don't think tonight's interview will add votes to either side. People will vote for McCain or Obama, not their VP pick.

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