Out-of-county students & Fayette School Board

Thu, 01/26/2006 - 3:45pm
By: The Citizen



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Submitted by Im just saying on Thu, 02/09/2006 - 2:40pm.

Out-of-county students is not the only issue to be concerned about with Ms. Law and Mr. Campbell. Mr. Campbell is the Fayette County Athletic Director. Ms. Law is in charge of intra-county change of school requests. From experience, they didn't respond to email or phone calls about athletics or intra-county change of school requests.

Finally after weeks of trying to contact Mr. Campbell, he told us (parents) what we wanted to hear, then he told the principal of the school something different-the complete opposite. We consider that lying. The issue was never resolved.

Does anyone else want our middle schools athletics to be better or at least as good as other counties with similar demographics? For example, middle school cheerleading is the only sport in Fayette County Middle and High School that does not "meet" or "compete"? (i.e. football, basketball, softball, volley ball, track, wrestling etc. all “meet” or “compete” against other schools) Other counties in the state of Georgia allow their middle school cheerleaders to compete.

In fact, Fayette County allowed other county middle schools to compete at Starr's Mill and Sandy Creek hosted competitions, but would not allow our own Fayette County Middle Schools to compete.

Many cheerleader parents feel it is discrimination. Not to mention Fayette County doesn't allow boys to be cheerleaders in middle school. What's wrong with that? Girls are on the wrestling teams and football teams.

It's not because of incompetent, uncertified coaches. Middle school coaches can take the same certification class as our Fayette County High School Coaches and other county middle school coaches.

After weeks of waiting on Ms. Law to respond, I decided to go by her office to get information about intra-county change of school request. She was not available, but told me in passing "not to bother turning in the intra-county change of school request form because the school was full". Maybe if the out-of-county students were handled properly all our schools wouldn't be full!

The response time and the replies to us were unacceptable. What would a teacher do if a student ignored her requests? I’m sure the student would FAIL, just like we are being failed by the authorities in this office.

Submitted by morganjim on Thu, 02/09/2006 - 10:33am.

As a Fayette resident and taxpayer I am getting slapped in the face many times over. There is not enough being done to take care of the problem. A quick look at the bus stops on County Line Road(for example) will find at least two vehicles heading back to Clayton county daily. I know, I have followed them. Additionally, while my tax money is being used to pay for these students, I pay for private school for my own childern. I really feel that the school system should go after these theives and sue them. After all, they are stealing from You, me and our (legal) childern. Now if the school system wanted to give vouchers for private school tuition then I'd not be as upset but I'd be just as vocal. Till that happens, I'll continue to be vocal. As to the person who didn't leave a call back number... If the office receiving the phone call would be a little better at listening, and not be so dismissive, things would get done much quicker.

This sure isn't the Fayette County I moved here to be part of

Submitted by hsh87 on Fri, 02/10/2006 - 12:30pm.

I am all for the vouchers and think they should definitly be giving those out - I've had my dealings with Mr. Campbell as well as others and I'm sorry it's a big joke! No wonder overseas in Europe the kids are so much more educated than here. Over there, the dollars are designated to the child, not the school or the system and if the parent feels the school is not meeting their child's needs, they move them to private school and the dollars go too. I know for fact there are way too many in our schools that are not supposed to be, but good luck getting results.

Submitted by yada yada yada on Fri, 02/10/2006 - 12:48pm.

You are right. It is a big joke. If we as taxpayers sit back and allow this to continue, it is our own fault. I say UNITE and go to the school board meeting 2/13 and stand up to them. If they don't respond, they can and will be replaced come election time.

Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 02/09/2006 - 5:50pm.

Mr. Campbell was quoted in the newspaper that the out of county tags were really people who have moved here, but they did not want to buy new tags because they had already purchased them in the other county. If Mr. Campbell would bother to check he would find out that there is NO CHARGE to change a tag to your new county. In fact, it is the LAW that you must do that within 30 days of moving. Of course, these people are not bothered by obeying the law. Wake up school board. This is a real problem. Let's elect two new school board members this year. Then three new ones next time.

Submitted by FMS Student Mickey on Sun, 02/05/2006 - 9:38pm.

Is this just now becoming a problem? I hope most of you know that children that do not live in Fayette County have been coming to these schools for years. Just this year a girl that I have gone to school with for three years was kicked out. She lived here at the begininng of this school year and lived here two years ago. She just moved to Senoia about a month before she was kicked out. Why couldn't she have finished off the school year? What harm could that have done? Oh, and whoever said to check the license plates is wrong. There are quite a few students whose parents are teachers. That means they get to choose which school the would like to attend.

Submitted by GeorgiaPeach on Mon, 02/06/2006 - 12:44pm.

The school license plates people are talking about are people driving up between 5:30 to 6:00 to pick up students. These are not teachers.

Submitted by DWP33 on Fri, 02/10/2006 - 11:44am.

I work for the state. So I have plenty of resources. I write down tag #s constantly at my son's school.I then go back and see where there registerd. Most of the time they are true out of county tags just renewed in the the county they've always lived in(most cases clayton co.)Both parents still live together, so the one parent lives here and one lives somewhere else doesn't apply in most cases. I also find there place of empolyment, and in all cases, they do NOT work for any school systems. So as you see most out of county tags are felonist, stealing services. I'll be more than happy to track every one of theses law breaking citizens down and help have them booted. Enough is enough. I urge every one to show up at the next BOE meeting. We need to stand together and show this board we mean business, and we're NOT backing down!!! Feel free to to email me any info you have on out of county citizens.

Submitted by Sailon on Fri, 02/10/2006 - 12:14pm.

You all just don't get it. There are a hundred easy ways to verify residence quickly. What is wrong is that you are messing with the forces that control the world! Many people don't realize that some things are so entrenched, so powerful, so prevalent, that one must not interfere in their functioning. Oil companies, the US Senate, George Bush, town cops, and school administrations are to name a few.
If you will allow them to correct the situation in their own time and without it looking like they were forced to do so, maybe, maybe, they will relent. There are also secret deals for certain stucents (athletes, music scholars, friends, politicians) that may be hindered if you insist upon full compliance. We just pretend to be totally democratic here and not to show any favoritism, it has never been that way and never will be. It takes a very understanding man to be Superintendent.

Submitted by yada yada yada on Fri, 02/10/2006 - 12:45pm.

Yeah. Let's just be quiet and let them work in their own time. Yeah, that will work. That has been working just fine. Yeah, right. You are the one that doesn't get it.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Mon, 02/06/2006 - 6:45am.

When your friend moved to Senoia she and her family stopped paying taxes in Fayette County and began payng taxes in Coweta County - although probably not the full $7,000 per year it costs to educate her - she then became Coweta's responsibility.

The harm is that illegal students are stealing from the legal students and yes, the children of teachers and other school employees are legal students regardless of where they live.

It is so easy to monitor this - especially when you realize every illegal student caught and expelled saves the system $7,000 per year and the few undiscoverd illegals will be embarrassed and leave.

And yes they are "illegals" - don't sugarcoat this and get all politically correct - this is felony theft!


Submitted by fayetteobservers on Mon, 02/06/2006 - 1:53pm.

Felony Theft ??? LOL ...That sounds like Robert W. Morgan Lenox's warrant for Steve Brown taking his secretary up on her offer to drop the kid off at camp. The judge rightly tossed that one.

So a few parents are trying to get their kids into our schools to better their lives. Big deal. They probably behave and keep their mouths shut. Take the rich spoiled brats that cause trouble and send them to work camps.

The answer is what the GOP has been saying for years (brace yourself, Bob, Lani Guinier and the left)--- the answer is VOUCHERS...Let kids come here. Let them use the voucher system. Let me choose the schools. And make the teachers compete for their jobs. The lousy ones get minimum wage. The good ones get paid.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Mon, 02/06/2006 - 8:10pm.

Well, it took you a while to get to the point, but there in the middle of your third paragraph was an actual point. Vouchers! Yes! Great solution and as you point out competition for students would be wonderful. The teacher's union has done more to hurt our kids than it has done to help. Ask the next teacher you see if her kid is in public or private school. Ask her what is more important - the quality of her teaching or her retirement benefit. Ask, if you dare.


Submitted by oldsimon on Mon, 02/06/2006 - 2:26pm.

You can laugh all you want to, but this is certainly theft of services. There are more than a FEW students. The numbers are probably in the hundreds. The teachers and students know. If they want to better themselves, then they should buy property in a good area. Don't come here for us to pay for their student's education. Why do you think we have some many trailers at the schools. Did you just think it was just another of the BOE goof ups?

Submitted by PTCMomma on Sun, 02/05/2006 - 9:53pm.

It wouldn't be a problem if Coweta paid the county's cost of her education to Fayette County...

Mom to 3, plus a few strays

Submitted by wheeljc on Tue, 01/31/2006 - 4:42pm.

Perhaps it might be helpful for members of the school board to leave their offices and wonder out into the community about the time buses start arriving in neighborhoods, and just observe the number of vehicles with tags outside the county. If it occurs one or two days a month, then there should be not problem ('Grandma is just picking up the kids because it is cold!'). But if it is day after day, what does that tell you? How difficult is that to figure out?

Given the economic conditions that are going to affect this county, the tax base is going to erode from the level that has been enjoyed. When things start getting tight, who will the politicians blame then?

Submitted by harvard1991 on Sat, 01/28/2006 - 2:25pm.

I see that 11% of the poll respondents believe the Fayette County School Board is doing a "very good job" finding illegal students. Are these 10 voters Kool-Aid drinkers, sipping from the glass of incredulity? They must be. How can anyone on God's green earth think our Fayette County School Board, or the administration for that matter, is doing a good job? Are Board Members allowed to vote?

Submitted by oldsimon on Sun, 01/29/2006 - 12:17pm.

We all need to attend the school board meeting 2/13 and ask hard questions about just what they are willing to do to dorrect this problem. Yes, I bet some of those positive votes were from board members themselves.

Submitted by mcg on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 4:46pm.

I hope that the person whose post is titled "pole" is not a product of the Fayette County school system, since the word (s)he should have used is "poll".

Submitted by CNP2000 on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 3:10pm.

Anyone that feels the BOE is failing at finding these illegal students needs to come to the BOE meeting on 2/13 @ 7:00 and say how they feel about this. Maybe the board will then see how serious this problem is.

Submitted by CherokeeKid on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 1:08pm.

12% of the respondents believe the Fayette School Board is doing a good job of finding illegal students? I guess these are the same people that believe the Feds are doing an awesome job of controlling our border with Mexico and there's no need to worry about it.

Submitted by historybuff on Fri, 01/27/2006 - 2:01pm.

The grade is down to 10% now and rapidly falling. Wonder what Janet Smola thinks now? The Board needs to be proactive all right. They need to be proactive about purging the schools of students who do not belong here. Why do the citizens need to be enraged about this situation when it should have never been allowed. Whatever they have been doing simply does not work.

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Submitted by Buckwheat Rules on Mon, 01/30/2006 - 3:38pm.

It's glaringly apparent that the Fayette Co. School Board is turning a blind eye on illegal out-of-county student enrollments in our county school system. Issuing political damage control statements like, "We take residency checks very seriously" is only the first red flag. I think it's high time we call in a troubleshooter from one of Atlanta's news channels to shine some investigative light on the subject. It should be great fun to watch the roaches scatter.

Let the blame game begin!


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 02/09/2006 - 8:10pm.

Doug interviewed several kids today and we followed them home and got some parents in Clayton County (big surprise) on tape. Unbelievable footage. They actually think it is ok to send their kids to our schools. The excuses are amazing.

Tomorrow we visit Arlene Law and John DeCotis with a camera and a tape of what we did today. Watch Fox5 tomorrow night.


Submitted by CNP2000 on Fri, 02/10/2006 - 11:31am.

I need to get in touch with you and BuckwheatRules. Im going to the shcool board meeting and would like to try and get alot of people to go. Also what time is the interview airing on Fox5 today?

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 02/07/2006 - 8:09pm.

The TV news has been called. Robert seems to have the inside track. Call him, please.

And please call Doug somebody who lives here and works for Fox5 - he'll get on that like stink on a pig (am I southern yet?)
meow


Submitted by Sailon on Mon, 01/30/2006 - 3:49pm.

The day will never come when a problem like this is attacked forcibly, solved immediately, and someone take the blame. Not in a school heirarchy. Fact is, they do make exceptions for various reasons and don't know how to explain all of them, so all are entered on the roles with only a perfunctory check---which is a waste of time. Just forget it and vote in new people when you can, as we very much need to do now in Washington and Atlanta. Most of us really don't care however, and don't feel like we are being screwed by minorities.

Submitted by darcy on Tue, 02/07/2006 - 12:50am.

well well well. tyrone has invited clayton county in anyway... whats to stop the ones who haven't moved here yet from taking over the schools.

No, these illegals don't behave and sit quietly.
No, its not OK for them to be here. Fayette Co. won't maintain this "great schools" title if things keep on. Sandy Creek is a disgrace compared to what it used to be.

Our county is changing...and not for the better. Notice all the For Sale signs around town? I know there is one in my front yard.

Submitted by did not know on Tue, 02/07/2006 - 5:35pm.

If you have prove of this, I for one, would like to see it, and see to this being stopped asap. We need somethhing concrete and who is making the waivers and favors. No one has the right to make that decision except the taxpayers themselves. It is our money!

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