OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL

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Breaking news Mon. Sept. 15th

You won't find this one on MSNBC, CNN etc etc

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.html

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 9:07am.

Obama outlined in advance to the public what he would be discussing with Zebari during his trip to Iraq and had a phone conversation with him prior to this trip.

This was out in the open, already, so why is Amir Taheri distorting what Obama has already discussed in the media? Is it because Taheri is a mouthpiece for the neocons? Probably.

Reported by MSNBC back in June:

"Obama spoke briefly (about 10 minutes) with reporters about his telephone conversation with Zebari. He said he was encouraged by the progress made in reducing the violence in Iraq, but believed troops should be withdrawn, and they should do so carefully.

Obama also told Zebari, he said, that Congress should be involved in any negotiations regarding a Status of Forces agreement with Iraq. He suggested it may be better to wait until the next administration to negotiate such an agreement.

Obviously we can't have U.S. forces operating on the ground in Iraq without some sort of agreement, either a further extension of the U.N. resolution or some sort of Status of Forces agreement, some strategic framework agreement. As I said before, my concern is that the Bush administration--in a weakened state politically--ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it was my administration or Sen. McCain's administration.

The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made, but I think the only way to assure that is to make sure that there is strong bipartisan support, that Congress is involved, that the American people know the outlines of this agreement, and my concern is that if the Bush administration negotiates, as it currently has, and given that we're entering into the heat of political season that we're probably better off not trying to complete a hard and fast agreement before the next administration takes office, but I think obviously these conversations have to continue. As I said my No. 1 priority is making sure that we don’t have a situation in which us troops on the ground are somehow vulnerable to, are made more vulnerable, because there is a lack of a clear mandate."

Obama to Visit Iraq

About Amir Taheri, the author of the New York Post article:

Taheri's Faked and Debunked Reports

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 10:24am.

Main,

Why is this particular matter bothering you and others so much? Because, even though it might not be accurately reported, it rings of truth. Barack has been fighting to become President based upon one major issue, IRAQ.

Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Durden, all agreed to a campaign to demoralize the American Public by calling the War a lost cause, by calling our Troops Nazi's, by saying that the war is based upon lies, and basically BLAMING AMERICA, FIRST, SECOND AND LAST, everytime we use our military to protect our National Interests.

John McCain had to fight Barack by pushing for a Surge, that Barack denied was effective until only recently. What is happening is that the American People are not seeing IRAQ as the quagmire that Democrats want them to see it as. Americans are seeing a revitalized Iraq and a growing American confidence in our efforts there, inspite of the Democrats attempts at trying to claim defeat and then to retreat.

I'm not so sure about the allegations of which you reference, but I know that they "sound" an awful lot like Barack Obama. Unlike John McCain in which he would rather lose an election than to lose this War, Barack is ready to retreat, to lose this war, if that guarantees his win in November. Thats the kind of change that he represents.

So, go back to your surfing, and try and deflect the truth about Barack and the Democrats loathesome anti-American rhetoric all that you want, but know this, the American public is beginning to pay attention, and even with a troubling economy, the polls are showing the trend that might make this election look more like a cake walk.

By the way, does the fax you get from the DNC and Obama campaign also include the teleprompter messages that is produced for each "heartfelt" speech that Obama gives? Just wondering, because I thought that your God and King, wouldn't need to be told what to say, and that he could merely speak from his heart.

Tick, Tock, the clock is still ticking, and Obama is almost out of time. Should've picked Hillary. I know Jeff advised the Campaign that Hillary wasn't a good choice, but I think they should have listened to my blog and not Jeff's. The biggest mistake in political history. It was a no-brainer, but apparently Barack's teleprompter said to pick Biden instead of the only intelligent choice, Hillary.

I will be thinking of you Main, come November 5th.


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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 11:43am.

I've never advised the Obama campaign on anything.

On another subject, did you see the polls today on Palin? Down by 13%, down by 17% and down by 12%.

Apparently the lies are catching up with her.

And this morning she's still claiming to have been against the bridge to nowhere. Go girl!


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 5:23pm.

Okay, if you say so.

But if I recall, I made mention some weeks ago, that Barry should pick HIllary, and you commented that you believed he couldn't and wouldn't. I don't recall everything you commented upon, but it had something to do with having to look over his shoulder to see Hill and Bill second guessing everything he did.

As to the polls, I don't see the downward spiral that you are referencing at all. In fact, the ones I'm seeing are just the opposite. e.g. New York is now only in Obama's camp by 5 points, as opposed to 18 points just four weeks ago.

You mentioned the swing states in one post we debated several weeks ago, but from what I've been reading, now they are saying that several of those are moving into the McCain camp. Even Minnesota might go for McCain.

As to the lies that you suggest Sarah is telling, well I'll leave that up to the Drive by Media to exploit. Did you compare the interview Gibson did with Sarah? And then compare it to the one he had with Obama. Gibson and the rest of the liberal media is showing its bias so badly, that Americans are giving Sarah the benefit of the doubt.

I've said it for months, but moreso since Barry did not choose Hillary, the election is over, time to start cryin' now, before the final tallies come in.

I still have a case of Yuengling ready to wager on this elecion even now. Heck, McCain might end up with 300 plus electoral college votes, if the trend continues through till November.

However, if it is close, then with the new ignorant election laws allowing provisional ballots for just about any and everything, will cause this election to immediately be sent to the Supreme Court.

I can see Michigan and Ohio, being won by McCain by only 5000 votes, with 80,000 provisional ballots that have to be ruled upon by the Boards of Election. Can you say Florida 2000? Because the Dems are going to send out their sheeple to vote as often as they can at every voting precinct possible. I now just getting over those dreaful 33 days from 2000. I can't imagine how awful it will be this time should it fall to one or two swing states with provisional ballots.


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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 10:31pm.

Since you are a Republican I don't know if I can explain this to your satisfaction but I'll try. I did comment to you that I didn't think that Obama would or should pick Hillary for the VP slot. Now try to follow here 'cause this is where it gets tricky, OK? You said, “I know Jeff advised the Campaign that Hillary wasn't a good choice ...” No. I didn't. Commenting to you on a blog is not the same as being an advisor to the Obama campaign. That's kinda like claiming Palin was against the bridge or that her teleprompter broke during the convention speech or that McCain invented the Blackberry. They sound good and make a great story but there is a difference between that and something being actually true. Now, as I said, you being a Republican, I understand that to you this is a foreign concept and possibly, or even probably, totally irrelevant; nevertheless its important to some people even if we are in the minority.

I will freely admit the campaign is up in the air right now with no predictable winner. Typically they always are at this point. Obama may very well lose, or McCain may lose. I am comforted though by the fact that, even if McCain win, I will be happier with him than you will. After all, what is his biggest attraction? That he has opposed everything that you like as a republican. Every time he claims to be a maverick, I take pleasure in that he is refuting a position that you probably hold dear.

I believe that the financial crisis has swept away the lipstick/Paris Hilton campaign that y'all have been running. If the campaign now focuses on issues instead of irrelevancies, then this can only be bad for the Republicans.

I will also concede that Palin was a master stroke for McCain and the Republicans. She fits in with a succession of VP's selected by your party over the last 20 years. Dangerous and unvetted people like Quaylee, Cheney and now Palin who are completely unqualified for the position. The contempt for the country is astounding. The idea that one of these people should actually ascend to the Presidency is as mind boggling as the concept that Palin has foreign policy experience enough to face down Putin by virtue of her being able to see Russia from her kitchen or having an understanding Europe because she sat on a plane while it was being refueled in Ireland.

Nevertheless, this is the typical Republican attitude. No bar is too low. Let's have the debates and then vote. Either the liberal Democrat wins or the moderate Democrat wins. Let's just both hope that McCain enjoys good health.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 09/17/2008 - 8:24am.

Jeff,

I know you are an advisor to Barry, just like you know Jeremiah Wright refers to me in his speeches, right up there next to Hannity and Coulter. (if only.)

But you never said why she wasn't a good pick, in hindsight. Sure she had some baggage, but she was the only real choice. She would have prevented the Palin pick which has energized the base of Republicans.

Actually, I supported McCain against Bush in 2000. Then as McCain passed bill after bill with Democrats in tow, I became upset. He openly agreed with Democrats against the President, and that was upsetting. But then again, if you look at what he's done, he has actually done some very coy and clever things.

The Gang of 14 prevented the Republicans from using the nuclear option against filibusters. Angered Republicans, but the result was a fast track to the Supreme Court for two great justices.

Same for McCain/Feingold. Although some parts are bad, it opened the door for 527's and I sort of like those.

So McCain isn't that distasteful for me at all, and as a matter of fact, I've learned more and more about him, and I've grown very fond of the old war hero. e.g. His wife, I thought was a snootie beyotch, but I learned that she really is a warm, compassionate and giving person. So, my judgment against McCain has been proven in error.

Now look at the polls. The more we learn of Barack, the more the polls go south. The more we learn of McCain, the more the polls go up.

But back to Hillary. With 20/20 hindsight, don't you agree Barack likly lost the Presidency by not choosing Hillary?

Dick Morris claims it was McCain's double head fake that caused Barackc to act like this. While Barry was deciding, McCain was dancing around with Mitt Romney. All the press talked about him. Palin was a footnote. Barry chose Biden believing McCain would pick Romney but McCain set the trap and viola.

Again, people keep underestimating the real force behind the McCain campaign, and that force is John McCain. He has a very subtle way of getting the job done.

I still say if you compare their convention speeches, McCain's was much better, even though not delivered quite as well. McCain said happiness comes from working toward goals and issues that are bigger than oneself, rather than focusing upon yourself. Barack said, hold on, because the Government is coming to give you tax breaks for taxes you don't pay, free healthcare and more of the same economic socialistic policies that Europe is drowning in today.

America apparently was watching. I know McCain will win, but I wonder if he will break 300 electoral college votes.


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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 09/17/2008 - 6:32pm.

McCain didn't know himself that he was picking Palin until the day before he did it. That's why she was never vetted. She was never considered until it was clear that Hillary would not be on the ticket. Why would she have been? Her only qualification was that she had never had an abortion. It was a desperate ploy to rally the base, which worked. it was a sign of weakness that McCain had to do that and it shows continued weakness that his campaign and your Party is still so focused on the number two position. McCain's rally's without her are about 50 people.

Seen the latest CBS/NYT poll since the campaign had to turn back to issues?

Obama now leads McCain among independents 46 percent to 41 percent.

Obama leads McCain 54 percent to 38 percent among all women. He holds a two point edge among white women, a 21 percentage point swing in Obama's direction from one week ago.

17 percent of registered voters say McCain chose Palin because she is well qualified for the job of Vice President. (These would be your people).

42 percent say Palin is prepared for the job, down 5 points from last week, (Biden 75%)

A record 68 percent disapprove of the president's performance, the highest disapproval rating of any president recorded since Gallup began asking the question in 1938.

Poll: Obama Retakes Lead Over McCain


Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 09/17/2008 - 8:31am.

to have seen Hillary at the top of the ticket, with Obama as her running mate.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 11:52am.

Looks like the pitbull needs a muzzle:

here ya go, girl...

Oh, I heard also that she is refusing to testify in the TrooperGate scandal?

Transparency in government - yup, yup.

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Submitted by jokerman on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 1:15pm.

with such gusto. They have a vested interest in Obama winning because he is their boy. Please excuse the use of the word "boy", however, there is precedent for it. The Community Organizer has a empty resume. The Community Organizer extraordinaire has captured the imagination of liberals everywhere because of his so-called great speaking skills. I like to refer to him as Captain Teleprompter because he is helpless without one. If you don't believe me, spend five minutes on YouTube....ie 57 states, my muslim faith, inhalator, I'm in St. Louis... Man, he is a bigger gaffe machine than Biden, and that is saying something. That was a great choice wasn't it? Biden. Hillary is Biden her time because she knows it was an inept pick. The big O has no judgement, knowledge, or leadership skills. What is a community organizer anyway? Is it the same thing as a rabble-rouser? Did a bullhorn come with the job, or did he have to purchase it himself? If this country elects this big-eared pipsqueak, we will be getting exactly what we deserve.

Submitted by jackyldo on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 11:18am.

Swiftboating is truth without media bias ? Where did you make that one up ?

I think you'll actually find it defined as follows;the term 'swiftboating' has been widely used to describe political tactics that are essentially synonymous with a 'smear campaign'.

Not sure many smear campaigns are intended as truthful.

I find it interesting that two of the biggest funders of the SwiftBoat campaign of 2004 have decided not to join in 'SMEARING' Obama.

Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens said in interviews that he would bow out to pursue a campaign to end the nation's dependence on foreign oil. Now a second major donor, Texas billionaire Sam Wyly, who has given about $10 million to Republican candidates and causes since the 1970s, has said publicly he will not participate in independent group efforts to tarnish Obama this year.

Submitted by jackyldo on Mon, 09/15/2008 - 12:21pm.

Shaul Bakhash of George Mason University has accused Amir Taheri of concocting nonexistent conpiracies in his writings, and states that he "repeatedly refers us to books where the information he cites simply does not exist. Often the documents cannot be found in the volumes to which he attributes them.... [He] repeatedly reads things into the documents that are simply not there."[15] Bakhash has stated that Taheri's 1988 Nest of Spies is "the sort of book that gives contemporary history a bad name."[15]

he makes up stuff so perfect for the Republican world.

You can find numerous other accusations about his work in Wikipedia.

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Submitted by alittlebirdietoldme on Tue, 09/16/2008 - 8:00am.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09162008/news/politics/barack_denies_using_stall_tactics_with_i_129289.htm


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