PTC weighs providing sewer outside city

Tue, 08/26/2008 - 3:32pm
By: John Munford

The Peachtree City Council balked last Thursday at approving an easement to build a sewer line between the soccer and softball fields at the Jim Meade sports complex.

The proposal would allow a proposed 162,000-square-foot combined shopping center and office complex — with five additional outparcels of undetermined square footage — outside the city limits to tie into Peachtree City’s sewer system.

A state law requires that whenever a sewer line is “available” within 200 feet of a given development, it must hook up to the sewer for service. But as City Attorney Ted Meeker noted, there’s some wiggle room as to whether the sewer is “available” merely because it is built, or whether that availability has been approved by the city.

Although an agreement between WASA and the city gives the City Council final approval whether sewer can be extended outside the city limits, there is concern the sewer’s construction would trigger the state law and thus provide access regardless of council’s decision on the matter.

The shopping center, which has not been approved for development by the Fayette County Commission, initially planned to use a spray field disposal system for its sewage.

But officials from Peachtree City’s Water and Sewer Authority have negotiated a deal that would allow the Southern Pines Plantation shopping center parcel and several other parcels to the north along Redwine Road, which are also outside the city limits, to be linked to the sewer system.

The plan would also provide sewer service to the Somerby senior living complex and adjacent shopping center, both of which are inside the city limits, along with the Fayette County animal shelter and the Starr’s Mill Professional Center, which is south of the animal shelter along Ga. Highway 74.

Council voted Thursday night to table the matter until its next meeting so potential concessions from Southern Pines could be explored.

The entire plan will cost over $600,000, with Southern Pines chipping in $200,000, the nearby Starr’s Mill Professional Center doing likewise and also WASA adding $200,000. WASA would recoup its money by charging higher access fees to the parcels along Redwine Road, Turner said.

Councilwoman Cyndi Plunkett said she didn’t want to approve the easement when the city could instead negotiate with Southern Pines to perhaps reduce the density of the shopping center or get other concessions.

“We’re losing our ability to shape what’s going on at Southern Pines and I just can’t live with that,” Plunkett said, adding that perhaps the city could negotiate to not have any big box stores locate at the shopping center and increase the buffers.

Councilman Don Haddix said he was concerned allowing the sewer to go to the 80-acre shopping center site would allow the sewer system to be further extended into the county.

“It comes back to me as triggering high density growth out in the county,” Haddix said.

Councilman Steve Boone said he didn’t think the county commission would allow that. But Haddix replied that a future commission might.

Turner said the shopping center plan includes the use of a spray field to dispose of sewage on a 27-acre tract of greenspace on the 79.5-acre parcel.

Boone suggested negotiating with Southern Pines to be annexed into the city in return for the sewer service. Mayor Harold Logsdon said he had no problem with that happening.

“That’s exactly what I don’t want, growing Peachtree City by annexation again,” Haddix replied.

Plunkett said she was upset because she got about 24 hours notice on the matter, which wasn’t enough time for her to appropriately review the documents.

Logsdon said the easement only allows WASA to start construction, but Plunkett disagreed.

“Except for the fact that if you put sewer within 200 feet of the county you’ve opened up lots of doors you won’t be able to close,” she said.

WASA General Manager Larry Turner said the sewer built on the city’s land would extend onto the Southern Pines property so it can service the parcels across Hwy. 74 that are along Rockaway Road.

The design of the system was necessary to avoid having multiple pump stations which are labor intensive and require maintenance, Turner explained.

The reason for bringing the issue up now is that the developer of the Somerby tracts inside the city are ready to begin construction and so a decision must be made on the sewer plan so they can proceed. If the proposal isn’t adopted, Somerby will have to design a different way to connect to the sewer system, Turner said.

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Submitted by tc on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 6:24pm.

Pun INtended. Who is the proposed construction company on these projects???? One, in particular, is known to start construction and ask for sewer later - and get it! The short notice and slick "we're almost there" argument really stinks.

Submitted by Save Fayette on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 2:40pm.

I don’t understand why you cannot run sewer into the county. I think sewer is better than septic and a spray field over a green belt area of the county.
Why do we have a land use plan? Is the only thing that is shoring up our land use plan, the lack of sewer? Sewer should be allowed wherever it can be provided. We already have South Fulton into the county providing sewer. What is wrong with it? I think that PTC and Fayetteville should provide the sewer where it is needed in the unincorporated areas of the county. What happen if the sewer spray system has a problem and fails? The Cities and the county need to help business build here to help with our economy. But we have turf wars between the City’s not allowing what is best for the citizens. PTC mayor keeps complaining about all the new shopping going up just south of PTC, here is something that wants to build in OUR County. Why Not!! We need to do all we can to support progress in our county. GO SEWER!!!!

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 6:08pm.

It sounds good, but it isn't. That is why the good guys are trying so hard to keep a lid on it.

This is the deal.

Developers for years, have wanted to turn those beautiful fields you pass everyday into 1/2 lots, making us another Clayton County. If you run a sewer line outside the town, the developers lawyers are all over it, trying to find a loophole to use in court so they can tie on to it, or sue. If one developer gets to build on 1/2 acre lots, then they all get to. Just go over the line to Clayton and look.

The only thing that holds them at bay is, as in the Marines, 'a few good men'that can't be bought. The developers down here are not, in my eyes, that reputiable. I moved in believing everyone was nice. I've known developers before that were reputable, and I judged these the same. I can't tell you what an awful mess I wound up in because of it.

The stakes are high, the town loses, the citizen lose, because you will pay for that sewer! The only people who win, are the developers. They make money hand over fist, then move further south, where it is not so congested, and start the process again. They wind up with money out the ..... You wind up with higher taxes and sewer cost, wishing for what you use to have here. Hence, you buy a house further south, a higher price, but it is nice to get away from the congestion....and guess who you buy it from...?!!

They make Sherman's march to the sea look like a bird walk! With all of us paying to follow the troops! What happens when we get to the sea and there is no where else to go?

Guess who is standing there with a tall glass of ice water made from all the upstream re homogenized sewage? Where I come from they call that reconditioned pee!


Submitted by Save Fayette on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 11:38pm.

Mr. Sugarfoot
I agree with you. But what do you think about the land use plan. From what I have found
That when taken to the court the land use plan prevailed. The big reason I like the fact that someone can hook up to a sewer line is that the waste is collected, treated and returned to some kind of stream/river. Fayette County has always been known to have a one acre minimum and that was it. That was one of the first thinks that I learned when moving to Fayette. I think their has to be some way to enforce the land use plan but still be able to provide a better was of treating our waste than spraying it on a green space.
What do you think?

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Thu, 08/28/2008 - 6:15am.

When Dunn and the rest were in office, you couldn't build in the country unless it was 3 or 5. With the new group it may now be 1, it could be less. The trick is, if you have sewer you can put 8 to an acre if you can find a loophole. There are many, and many lawyers waiting for a town or the county to slip up.

Next to the new school that is being built, per the paper, all that country land has been approved for 1/2 acre lots. They don't have sewer in the country yet, so they are probably going to try to use one of thos community septic tanks. They stink. Once installed, people will more than likely complain, and in will come sewer to the open county. That opens the whole county to sewer on 1/2 acre lots and goodby open fields.

Once a developer punches a hole in your land use plan, it means nothing.

This is why people have kept sewer out of the county areas. It means an end to everything that makes this area special.

Now think for a minute, if we still had the 3 or 5 acres in the country and it couldn't be broke. The developers would go further south with their 1/2 acre lots and build. People would come here and see our large lots and die to move here from their little sardeen can on a postage size lots further south! But more than likely they are gonna carve us up. There are a lot of plans already in place.

Look at the school that is being built. It isn't being build over in the extreme far end of the county where the other was. It is being built furhter away, right in the middle of the area that has been zoned 1/2 acre lots. When it fills up with the new kids, that isn't going to help the kids of Birch or the other north side of the county.

It is a shame what they are doing.

If you notice where the developers live, they keep moving south. They won't live in what they have torn up.


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 6:44pm.

Or maybe you were - who can be sure nowdays.

Sewer spawns development.
PCDC put the sewer down in that part of town simply to service the Chimneys development (thank you Steve Black)

Now we have to live with the after effects of that - the "Gee, if I have sewer within 200 feet I deserve to hook on to it" attitude.

Live with it. It is what we have.


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 7:19pm.

There are so many people who do not know what the developers do down here! I know I never dreamed it. a lot of people come from good stock, your ...WORD... in you honor..... This is a code simply not known or honored by some developers, politicians, and I'm sorry to say, in my humble opinion, some on the BOE.

This is an attitude that is gaining popularitiy only because the nice people are being overwhelmed and driven off. It is all about money, and selling the trusting to the highest bidder!


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