When one traveled in other countries back in the day - and you were identified as an American, one of the first things that young children did was mimic a cowboy and Indian 'shoot-out' or pretend that they were American gangsters. (This idea was conveyed through the American movies.) The history of our country does involve violence. So many were surprised at the success of MLK's and Gandhi’s non-violent approach to solving problems. Keep posting!!

So all of the tribes fighting in Africa...(the same fighting tribes that sold rival tribes to be slaves for Americans)...the refugee camps...the gratuitous genocide.....the famines......all in a third world country with no outside media to speak of........they learned all of this war activity from the white man???? Huh??

Have you watched Blood Diamonds?? Even if you don't want to touch a history book...or apparently a current newspaper.....you should at least watch that movie.

You attended public school here in Georgia? We are what 49th in education...or if we want to use obama's U.S. map we are 56th out of 57 states.......wow.....how profoundly sad for you.

White history is nothing but violant.

Gee I'm shocked, only "whitey" has wars. I guess Africa is the only continent that, throughout its histoy, has a natural immunity to war.

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Shallow thinking usually is based on lack of knowledge. I think this shows that our American education system needs help. With the technology that we have today - our students and parents must be aware of world history! All schools, private and public, are sorely lacking in presenting world history in a non -politically correct perspective. I know that although I received what was considered an excellent education - it was certainly biased. Only as an adult/or college student did I realize that others had sound reasons for believing as they do - even though it was opposite to my beliefs. This is not the only 'blog' that I participate on - and misunderstandings are usually based on misinformation. Good people make 'silly' statements based on their experience and knowledge. I hope that everyone who talks about controversial issues will do research to clarify or correct what they have assumed is true. I know I have - and I've learned so much! Whenever someone says 'all' whites or blacks, the statement does not ring true. It wasn't until the late 50's or early 60's that most public school systems even had the history of the continent of Africa as part of the curriculum. Most in my age bracket learned about the Middle East in their Bible Study classes in church. Remember, in the 50's, Iran was Persia. As an adult, I hope that this country will look to the future, be grateful for the world representation that is found in American citizens, and strive to live by the words of our great Constitution.

This is not the only 'blog' that I participate on...

A sure sign of addiction.

Has your family tried intervention?

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I'm hooked. Years ago, I 'monitored' boards - and that did it!!
However - at this age - you just do what you enjoy!! Believe me - I, like you, do other 'stuff'.

Africa is a peaceful nation.....no gratuitous genocide or tribal wars there.....???

You made my day! I have to agree with Skyspy and Full Time, Whites didn't give Africa the ideas on War or Slavery. Nor should we appolgize because a bank robber looks black. The persons who are making you look bad are not the whites. You should think about that a minute.

Thanks I needed that!

Read the caption.

Tyrone Teen

Before I clarify - this whole conversation is silly. Not all Blacks are criminals and not all 'whites' are funny.
Cultures that mimic 'white' or western cultures: The rest of the world.
Glorification of bank robbers: Ever hear of Bonnie and Clyde or Jesse James?
White animals: Dahlmer; anyone regardless of color who molests a child; children who kill their grandparents, etc. (Ever read 'In Cold Blood'?)
Sick individuals exist in all races. It's interesting that for a group of people who don't want to discuss 'race' - you appear to be obsessed with it - oh excuse me - I was the only one who was guilty of this obsession. Sorry.

You haven't explained "culters" or "gorify."
I am not familiar with either term.
Don't be "slilly."

Did you learn phonics in school? You understood exactly what Romay meant. Deal with the message - and be grateful you know how to use a spellchecker.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Explain the 'point' I missed.

"What is realy responsible is WHITE PEOPLE! Who robbed the first bank, raped the first woman, molested the first child, robbed, killed and murderd. WHITE PEOPLE!"

Of all the responses I thought of -- and there were many -- eventually I settled on simply asking you to prove the above quoted statement.

Good luck.

Don't you know that everything bad that happens is whiteys fault?

In fact somehow I just know deep down in my heart that these hurricanes we are experiencing right now are in fact....WHITEYS FAULT!! Of course it is the only "logical" conclusion.

One white armed robber this whole year for how many brothers?? Geee I'm sorry I lost count.

The difference is you don't see any white people marching and protesting and trying to justify what that little puke bag did. That is the difference between white and black culture. We don't defend or make excuses for people who are losers by choice.

check out the comments by jackdil and ECGM over on the white robber article....they do appear to be trying to justify what the little puke bag did, and they do appear to be making excuses for a loser by choice.

Losers by choice: Nazi's; The White Supremacy Party; Skinheads; and all of the other 'underground' white groups bent on preserving the 'purity of the white race'. How convenient for you to 'forget' that they exist. And please don't say they don't exist today - the hate mail we (blacks) receive throughout this country still abounds. Our salvation?
Our many 'white' friends'; 'church members; neighbors who are REAL Americans.

White people don't make excuses for these groups or glorify their behavior.

That is the difference. Most blacks support criminals of their own race with the faulty excuse of my race right or wrong.

Most white people condemn criminals whether they are white or not.

"Most blacks support criminals of their own race with the faulty excuse of my race right or wrong. Most white people condemn criminals whether they are white or not."

That is breathtakingly true.

Tyrone Teen

That is breathtakingly ludicrous. This whole "most black people" thing is beyond ridiculous. What do you know about what most black people think? Unless you have polled them yourself?

"Most blacks support criminals of their own race with the faulty excuse of my race right or wrong."

This is a breathtakingly ignorant statement.

"Most blacks support criminals of their own race with the faulty excuse of my race right or wrong."

I didn't see ANYONE, black, white, green or red, supporting this or any other criminal behavior. That's really an idiotic statement.

Thanks, now the red and green people are gonna be pissed.
(p.s. it didn't take long for a certain "mocha momma" to incite these boards to riot, then disappear)
"Your, yore, you're all idiots." (T.Floyd)

I didn't start this one Tony!

Always the victim of circumstance. Thats a good role for you, and you play it well.

. . and you're excellent in the role of the misinformed, insecure all American boy!

What makes you assume that I'm a boy?

Since you used the term "boy" were you trying to be racist, sexist or both?

Keep the hypocrisy and the assumtions coming.

you didn't add the fuel or light the match, but you certainly don't mind fanning the flames. Why not just let them be stupid? It's makes for a very entertaining read.
By the way: are you sure I was refering to you?

"Your, yore, you're all idiots." (T.Floyd)

Larry Elder addresses this phenomenon in his book "Stupid Black Men". He talks about how you are considered an "uncle Tom" if you don't defend all blacks no matter how outrageous their behavior is.

Pages 2, 92, 151. Chapter 7 The Criminal Justice System.

Also they have the naacp defending criminals at every turn. Too many cases to recount all of them here.

I don't know about "most" of any group, but there certainly is an element that creates a warm environment for criminals. Peruse the "no snitching" rule sometime.

http://www.vibe.com/news/news_headlines/2007/04/camron_60_mins/

Also appearing on the program is Geoffrey Canada, an anti-violence advocate from Harlem who denounces the "no snitching" code. He tells Cooper, "It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say 'I will not watch a crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it."

"I don't know about "most" of any group, but there certainly is an element that creates a warm environment for criminals. Peruse the "no snitching" rule sometime."

You mean like that "no snitching" rule practiced by the Catholic church that creates a "warm environment" for white, male pedophiles?

What is it about the horrific crime of pedophilia that is inherent in the white, male culture?

(oh....this is a broad brush statement, regarding white, male culture, just like the broad brush statements regarding black, male culture)

I agree that there is potential risk exposure from both Catholic priests and young black males.

Your comment about the inherent pederast nature of white males will become more salient when the numbers level out. One in ten American black men aged 20 to 30 are in prison. Are you suggesting that 10% of white men are pedophiles? If so, then by your very logic, both incarcerated black males AND while males have an inherent predisposed trait.

But that's not what you're saying, is it? You're using the very broad brush you bemoan. Well done.

Or let me put it this why: Of the two idenfitied risk factors (white male Catholic priests and young black males), which do you think this T-shirt glamorizes?

http://www.rapindustry.com/shirts-hip-hopx049.htm

They funny thing is that this guy likes rap music and has black friends....

And how, exactly, would you know this information???

RFLOL

I was going from PTC to pick my son up in Fayetteville while all this was happening yesterday. I passed 20 county vehicles hauling butt back toward PTC. My son's GF works next door to that bank, and was there. I want to thank all the law enforcement for their quick action, hopefully some of this thug's homeys will rat him out. It's a sad day for Fayette County when we have to be afraid to go to the bank. I grew up in Clayton county during the 70's & 80's...I'm so worried about what's happening here it's like Deja Vu. And you yankees want MARTA here! HA!!!

He left on foot, the dogs followed the trail for awhile but lost it in Peachtree Ct (I believe... the street next to the bank?). He may have gotten into a vehicle, but there were cops everywhere (PCPD, who were first on scene even though not in the city, and FCSO, something like 25 of them!). They did recover his backpack, which he dropped behind the bank after the dye pack exploded in it.

Even though he's not caught YET, the response from local law enforcement was very fast and just amazing. Way to go, guys!

"Fast and amazing response," are you in PI for some law agency?

Such a statement should be reserved for "success"

Where were the outside camera's for the bank? Every Bank/place which keeps large sums of money should have camera's stashed everywhere even in the parking lot Entrances and Exits. The Camera's are so small now and so inexpensive almost everyone can have one. We should have them on every major road in and out of Fayette County. Maybe we should have planted Camera's everywhere instead of buying that Helicopter the County has. It might have been cheaper to hire a couple of people to watch the monitor's for the camera's. Crime will probably only get worse with the economy the way it is.

So the waste-of-clean-air didn't get the money? Good!

Good job to our cops on the fast response time.

You have such an irritation towards the naacp, did you lose a case to it somewhere?

No sorry to disappoint. You ASSume wrong. In fact at our facility several white males have won eeoc cases for blatant discrimination.

I just have a strong dislike for jessie and al and all of the criminals they defend.

Quite honeslty I am getting sick and tired of the invasion of thugdom. The naacp can protest all they want but it is all part of the gangsta culture glorified in music and their media. Deplorable. I am still waiting for Barack America to honestly address this situation.

You all are some seriously misguided and or ignorant folk.

Actually Ronald this is a problem for the black community as a whole.

They are drowning in rap/crap...drugs and crime. About 3 weeks ago the AJC reported crime stats for DeKalb County that I think are horrific. The report was about black on black crime mostly drug related. The report indicated that if you are a black male between the ages of 18-28 you have a greater than 60% chance of dying in that county. This is absolutely astounding. Yet the naacp wants to take pot shots at communities that are mostly described as white. What the????

Clayton County, before the white flight took place, actually was a better place to live than Fayette. Look what happened when the demographics changed. Don't take my word for it. Go to the GBI website and look for yourself. Crime went through the roof. Instead of being embarassed and attempting to clean up their mess, they(naacp) try to take over another peaceful low crime community. Again what the?? They need to clean up DeKalb and Clayton first. Show us what your ability is at managing a community and then we will listen to your threats. So far every community you have taken by force of increased crime has failed miserably.

what does barrack obama's run for president have to do with a bank robbery in fayette county?

last time i looked Obama was running for the president of the United States of America. Not the president of the black community.

on another note, you all do understand why the black community still suffers from these ails? and why North Dakota and similar states don't suffer these same social problems?

I never said it had anything to do with obama....that was another blogger. obama won't address any issue involving the black community for fear of be called an "uncle tom".

How many 'blacks' do you know in Fayette County? Are they all 'drowning' in rap/crap? Are the 'blacks' that attend the many churches in Fayetteville 'drowning' in rap/crap? Are all the single white women living in up-scale developments in our county prostitutes? From my information, during the Olympics, blacks were moved out of certain areas in Atlanta and moved to Clayton County with no training on how to maintain property, etc. There are/were blacks in Clayton that were maintaining their property - but when this other element moved in, if they were able, they left with the 'white flight'. Your knowledge of the black community in the Atlanta area is so limited. Expand your horizons - read. Those of us who weren't raised in the 'south' and heard all the horror stories of the KKK, etc. - were encouraged to 'read' about those 'whites' who actually believed in the words of the Constitution - and worked so hard to make sure that opportunities were available to all who worked for them. Skyspy - many 'blacks' worked so hard - that they surpassed many 'whites'. Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that 'Hack' is not the only 'black' in Fayette County who is 'worthy ' of 'white' friendship? If the 'black' community is to eradicate crime - please be role models - and show us how you eradicate crime in white communities or countries! My family just had their family reunion in Iowa - a BLACK FAMILY. A dorm on the campus of the University of Iowa is named for my uncle - a BLACK man. You speak your truth - but your knowledge is limited.

"Are all the single white women living in up-scale developments in our county prostitutes?"
Respectfully, um, where did that line come from?

~~~"Are all the single white women living in up-scale developments in our county prostitutes?"
Respectfully, um, where did that line come from?~~~

They're not prostitutes, they live off alimony and child support. If more black women would actually get married they'd get that perk, also.

Speak for yourself. Or are you? What an absolutely horrible depiction of single women. How about they are professional, well-educated women who can support themselves? And how about professional black women, whose wage statisticly outstrips white women? How about celebrating accomplishments of women?

I wasn't speaking of or for myself, I'm married (to my baby daddy)
I was trying to be funny, obviously lost on you. But since you asked, what about professional black women? If some do out earn their white counterparts, great...if their positions were earned and not given to them through affirmative action. And let's not mention statistics, those are not on your side.

Celebrate women, by all means. I'm all about respecting a woman whose left to raise kids when the husband is gone. But choosing to have kids without marriage is, in my opinion, a disaster waiting to happen. Not only for the kid, but all of society.

Sorry - I was making a reference to those women who were recently in the news for living in upscale neighborhoods and have been accused of prostitution. My point was - should one assume that all single women living in upscale developments pay the mortgage by engaging in prostitution? (Are all black men criminals because of the 'statistics' or news coverage?) My hat is off to all single women who have achieved the status of home ownership on their own - and are raising their children.

No, I would never make the assumption that a single white woman living in an upscale home was a prostitute, but obviously a black person did, hence this topic. Is this a stereotypical view ya'll have of rich single white women? That they must be pros/hoes to afford a nice home without a man? I was not aware of that one, actually. What are the statistical probabilities on this? I don't hear this on the "news" every night, but I do hear several instances of crimes committed by black men. Then I usually turn off the news because it sickens me. Noboby has said "ALL" blacks do anything or don't do anything...but how can anyone deny the overwhelmingly high rate of crimes committed by blacks as compared to those committd by whites? These men are not criminals BECAUSE of news coverage, they are criminals because of the crimes they committ!! God! Use logic and stop using all those whacked out analogies about white priests, serial killers, etc. The general public might agree with people like you if Catholic priests started car jacking or purse snatching at the Pavilion. Myself and my kids are safe from pedophile priests because we're not Catholic and I'd never let my son be alone with ANY male. But we should not have to be afraid to shop at the damn TOYS R US or see Clone Wars at Tinseltown. But we are because of what blacks have done there in the past, and are still doing daily. A majority of the crimes there are committed by black males, period!

You are the one with limited knowledge. Look at the demographics and the crime stats for Clayton County before "white flight" took place and after. Take a good look.....because if the article that appeared in this paper a week or so ago is any indication it is about to happen again.

Do you honestly think that if "white flight" takes off out of Fayette that your home will be worth more than the rest of ours just because you are black?? You should have an interest in keeping our low crime way of life here. If "white flight" takes off our homes aren't going to be worth the paper the deed is printed on. We all need to wake up before it is too late.

I'm so happy I'm not the only one who recognizes your profound ignorance. I will stay and demand that the standards of my community are upheld...just like the blacks who have remained in the Cascade community of Atlanta - expensive John Weiland homes in an area that in the 40's only professional, hard-working blacks lived because of segregation. My community in Fayetteville consists of hard-working and/or retired persons of all colors who appreciate adhering to the covenants - and sharing and watching out for their neighbors. The element that resorts to crime and violence, white or black, will not be tolerated in 'my' community. There may be all 'white' communities in Fayetteville (I haven't seen one) - but I'm happy and secure in my community. Do you live next to or near persons who excuse crime and/or violence? By all means move! My father - who was wise - said there are three types of lies: white lies; black lies; and statistics. If I believed that statistics dictated my reality - I would never allow a white man near my family in the south in the 40's through the 90's. Yet my relatives who actually lived here during those years tell me that there have always been sensible, good people (white) in the south. I guess your family was not among that group.

Please, please, please don't let statistics, facts or history get in your way.

Geee, you sound more intelligent with every post. In every post you have condemned most of the bloggers but not the criminal.....huh??

I'll pray for you.

PS: Weiland built homes in the 1940's, is that one of those pesky "facts" we don't want to look at??

Doesn't appear to be one of your strong suits either, sky.

Wieland, and other builders like Sharon McSwain, moved into the Cascade area of Atlanta to capture the "professional black" market. DM didn't say he was building homes there in the 1940's.

Come on sky and susieq... I understood what DM meant. Why not you?

I'll give on that. It might not have been what she meant to say but it was an awkward sentence.

Have a good day.

Expensive John Weiland homes in the 1940s? He didn't start building until 1970.

He started building there when he realized that the 'black's' that lived there had the desire and finances to remain in that community because of what it meant to them historically. Nice try to contradict. You should 'read' also. The Black Community has been in Atlanta for generations.

Wow. You said quite a bit there, and in so doing revealed much about yourself. One must wonder why you have no problems cataloging crimes committed by whites and associating it as such: crimes specific to white people, but cannot accept that a disturbing number of black men are bringing crime to Fayette County.

It has nothing to do with white women prostitutes, your uncle, the University of Iowa, family reunions, Hack, the KKK or white flight.

This sort of thing seems to sting you, and for that you have my sympathy. Just as it sucks when we whites are stuck holding the bag for the KKK, it must likewise suck being black and reading these comments railing against black crime in Fayette County. I've read many of your comments that fluctuate between bitterness and a sort of self-conscious awkwardness. Nevertheless, whatever sting you feel does not negate what was done.

Sometimes the meaning of the message is in the mind of the receiver. Am I bitter? At my age, and from what I've experienced - I pray daily for that bitterness to be removed. I'm, however, bitter at individuals and certain actions or lack of action of our government. Am I bitter at an entire race of people? Never. I've been blessed to be in the company of persons of all colors and nationalities. When you stop relating to statistics - and relate to the problem of crime in this country - then maybe my opinion of you and people like you will change - maybe.

I'm the product of a broken home that often received public assistance and always lived in rather seedy areas. In those seedy areas I saw the worst (and very little of the best) of all kinds of people. That kind of experience lead me to believe that under-education and poverty create bad situations. Those bad situations certainly cross racial and cultural bounds.

My opinions on current crime is a combination of both new information and that personal experience. And as a product product of the University of California at Berkeley, I'd certainly contend that I, too, have been in the company of persons of all colors and nationalities.

You know what they say about assumptions.

And how exactly would you have us go about not "relating" to statistics but rather "relating" to the problem of crime in this country?

How did a 'conservative' come out of Berkeley? LOL! Using deductive reasoning - should I fear all black' men in Fayette County because of statistics? Should I not fear a ‘white’ man because of statistics? Just as you overcame the statistics of those children who come out of broken homes - and the 'seedy' side of life. . .so can thousands of others - and thousands of others have, regardless of gender or color. You defied ‘statistics’. You and others here seem to be the cheerleaders for 'be afraid of all blacks' club. The 'good' Elvis was very familiar with 'black' folks and their music - and I doubt if he would have used 'statistics' to guide his 'common sense'. Instead of being 'scared' by statistics, thinking people are looking at the causes of crime in their community - and taking steps to protect themselves by: cooperating with and supporting law enforcement; being alert to their environment and persons in their surroundings; business owners are investing in modern security devises – and hiring security guards if necessary. Criminals go where they feel they can overcome unsuspecting persons and get away with little or no problem. Fayette County and other counties are comparatively affluent compared to other counties in Georgia. . .and a target. I feel that the law-enforcement agencies in Fayette County are stepping up to the challenge. The ‘poor’ in our country are all colors – and throughout our country – bank robbers are all colors. Let’s don’t let a ‘white’ robber take our money any easier than a ‘black’ robber because we rely on statistics. We, as community members must be ever vigilant of anyone who would commit a crime in Fayette County

A good friend of ours cycles in the "Ride Across Iowa" every year. I'm wondering if you may know him - we may have some mutual friends from Iowa...

It's possible - but with all of the 'outing' in this discussion, one is afraid to use any 'real' names. What a shame. My grandfather was a minister in a church in Clinton; cousins lived in Davenport; and of course relatives attended the University.

It's so bad in Riverdale that even Victor Hill has his house for sell.

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I always thought that guy was a fool this confirms it. His ego is taller than he is.

$295,000 for a home in River-crime-dale?? LOL! Thanks I needed that ...

For all his talk about "change you can believe in" and "yes we can," has he really honestly addressed the crisis in the black community and offered a solution besides rhetoric?

you can criticize both candidates for not offering concrete examples of what they are going to do when in office.

welcome to the two party american presidential election process

He used his law degree expertise to work in the 'hell holes' of Chicago to help those who wanted to help themselves. Do you know what a 'Community Organizer' does? He helped BLACKS get jobs, finish school, become better parents - for years!! Any other questions?

I mean just think about it for a second.

In the Iowa schools, for example, they only have about 1% African Americans in their schools, and those schools are doing just fine. But if you look in a primarily black inner school like Washington D.C., and we all know what the demographics are there, and you can begin to realize things.

So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with.

http://www.thecitizen.com/~citizen0/node/31144#comment-86150

My comment about the racial make up of Iowa versus* D.C. that you found ignorant, i.e. comparing apples to oranges, was almost an exact quote of Michelle Obama's baby's daddy's Vice Presidential Pick, Joseph Biden.

I hoped I might catch a few liberal bloggers getting caught in this obviously offensive comment, but only you replied. (Did you not see the link to his quote?) The irony is that you found Obama's VP's own words wrong about race. Hmmmm. I find that interesting.

On an aside note, I found Michelle's introduction of Barack as her "baby's daddy", to be extremely offensive. In a community with ever rising out of wedlock births, she shouldn't be making such comments. She is supposed to be some sort of wonderful role model. What's that all about? What she needs to be is the kind of leader that doesn't joke about it, but does something about it.

Similar to the hip/hop gangstar rap lyrics, like Ludicris (sic), --which is Obama's favorite, these comments and music sends a clear message that violence is acceptable in the black community, and as Michelle Obama's jokingly stated, that having children is okay, even outside of wedlock.

The culture of victimization has enslaved the black community. The culture of acceptance of drugs, of violence, of illiterate children is whats ruining the black community. And the Democrats have done nothing more than to fuel this fire by making such comments against such vices, politically incorrect.

But also, the lack of shame seems to permeate the leaders in your community as well. Shameful behavior should not be tolerated, instead it seems to be welcomed as excusable because blacks are victims and are entitled to act without remorse.

That's what I can't understand about intelligent and thoughtful people who blind themselves to this truth, regardless of what they say in their churches.

*I want to thank Sniffles, because I made sure to spell this word correctly.

Having children is okay, even outside of wedlock.

It is definitely better than Obama's way...you know, just leave them to die in a red WASTE-bag! ALL children are precious...their parents aren't always!

Sick~ Having children is okay, as long as my tax dollars are not being used to keep them up. Even outside of wedlock? Ask the kid how he/she feels about that. Or better yet, ask their juvenile justice probation officer.