I'll assume you've had to pay to have a few city blocks re-grinded after a 50 gallon hydraulic spill and consider the $15,000 cost inconsequential. Bob Hilton, the guru of municipal RFPs, says the heavy use damage does fly. He created it.

Ever see a garbage truck pull down a gas station's overhang or drag a lady thirty feet? I have.

As Tony Soprano rightly said, the hauling business is a different corporate culture. Residents in San Jose, California, reduced their monthly garbage bill from the high 20s to $4 per month after the city decided to put a franchaise contract out to bid. It's just the way that particular industry works. Franchaise contracts mean lower prices and better service for residential customers.

Three garbage trucks rumble through our neighborhood, clanking and leaking every week. Only one of them stop at my house!
I hadn't heard that city trucks may do the job! I doubt they want the responsibility!

May I ask you then if you would like all door to door salesmen to be allowed to come by your door? Not just the ones who buy the expensive license? Isn't that free enterprise?

One company bids a price every few years---and so do others. That holds down the price and keeps the quality. Could be the bid fee is too high but that is easy to change!

Just as our town employees don't want to manage a youth center, neither do they want the responsibility of running garbage trucks, you needn't worry about that one!

They also don't want to manage a Tennis Center or an Amphitheater or an Airport...but it costs us millions just the same. Is the Bank paid yet?

You're comments and logic are hard to figure out. So, you're saying that there would only be one truck rolling through your neighborhood if we went to a "city system"? Wouldn't the same number of trucks be needed to haul away the same amount of trash generated, regardless of who the provider was? One truck to do the work of three? Is it your opinion that you are the only consumer generating garbage in your neighborhood, and the rest of the trash is just miracled away?
Yes, garbage trucks are loud, but it's one of those things we have to live with. I guess in your world, trash in the streets is OK.

Likening the senario to door to door salesmen is...I don't know...weird. Door to door salesmen are intrusive, where as marketing tools such as fliers in the mail, newspaper, TV ads, internet and word of mouth do the best advertising. It's not like they're selling Rainbow Vaccuums.

As Forrest Gump once said:

“That's all I have to say about that.”

Your logic is vacant!!!
Yes. the town would have many trash trucks but only ONE would be needed for my neighborhood! It would hold our neighborhood's trash.
Other trucks in other neighborhoods! WOW.
There are also at least six days a week that trash can be picked up but in different neighborhoods! I hope you aren't asked to resolve Delta's problems? Or the banks'
My point about salesmen was that if we can have all the trash trucks we want why not salesmen? WOW!

So, why didn't you say that before? One truck would not work in my neighborhood of 350-400 homes. Again, for our application, it would not matter if it were one city vehicle, driving through the neighborhood, everyday. Or, three different vendors driving thorugh our neighborhood on different days, throughout the week.

I don't want to solve Delta's problems, or the banks for that matter. The banks greed and moronic borrowers did that to themselves. Delta can figure out business on their own. Their problem lays with an archaic business model (pre-deregulation).I am content with solving my companies problems, or lack thereof (most of which have been solved because I'm here). Nice try Bonk-a-do...didn't work.

Your last statement still doesn't compute. Trash truck versus salesmen. WOW!

Come on Bonkers, give capitalism a chance.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

Are you saying that one truck would not hold all the trash on your street? That is one trashy street.

I realize you are just pulling dollar's chain on this, but you aren't even making as much sense as him (and that's saying a LOT).

Like I said earlier, I'm not for or against this per say, but you would notice less trash trucks on YOUR street. Unless all your neighbors use the same service now, which I seriously doubt.

This person doesn't know anything about nothing. I gave up discussing it with them.
There is no imagination nor logic there to argue with!

They are set on "free enterprise."

They would like to have two or more sewer systems and lines, I suppose!

37 lbs per can average
58,500 lb total GVW class 7 trucks capable of hauling 9 tons legally. Under ideal conditions (equipment and geography), 45 seconds per house is used. It's a bit unrealistic, but "possible".

(The ideal number where available time and available compartment space converge is around 500 homes per route, depending on equipment.)

No Spy. It's not a long street, just a large neighborhood. You and I agree that recycling is a good idea. Heck! We agree on a lot of points. My point is such that I don't want government to dictate what should be a consumer choice. Would you be happy if there were one provider for your phone services, TV, carpet cleaning etc, because PTC said so? Customer service, better yet, customer satisfaction would disappear. There would be no room to move away from one vendor due to length of contracts and legal stipulations.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

Most would consider "trash" to be an essential thing. Not so much with tv and carpet cleaning. I've even gotten rid of my home phone number.

Like I said earlier, and others on here have said, I have lived where this was done, and service was better in many ways. I see nothing wrong with looking at a few bids and SEE if in fact it is much cheaper and BETTER.

One more thing, I'm NOT Skyspy, I'm a smarter version.

It supposed to provide grants for cities and municipalities for recycling services. More details at www.gaepd.org.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

I had occasion to spend time with Derrick Williams of Georgia EPD recently and asked him about this. He didn't know about the RFP or the proposed facility. He doesn't necessarily need to know, as recycling plants aren't permitted, but there you have it.

Ok for you.

Have a good day.

Just joking around.

Bring on the rain...

I know.

You are right bring on the rain. My trees need all the help they can get. Have a good night. I'm traveling over to your old stomping ground for dinner with friends in McDonough square.

I wonder if they are still open.

Every time I get back over that way, it's changed. It makes me appreciate what we have here even more.

I had a quick case of cranial-rectal inversion.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

I've lived in areas with both. Free Market trash and Govt controlled trash.

There are good arguments on both sides. I've never heard of once every two weeks pickup, much less once a month. I do know less trucks would be on the streets because of only one provider. I see at least 3 companies up and down my street weekly. That was always the plus for areas I've lived in with "govt trash" pickup. Just less trucks.

I do think more could be done on the recycling end by the providers.

Some good points were made below that I had not thought about (regarding possible roll-offs, etc(. I know my bill has gone a good bit lately with "added" fuel charges, but we are all seeing that on many things.

I have lived in areas, here and California, that include recycling as part of the services provided. The waste disposal providers in Peachtree City do not. Let me restate, they charge extra for recycling services, whereas others do not. I find it hard to comprehend charging a customer additional fees for something that the customer can make money from. Is it a convenience fee? Is there not enough capacity? Would they operate at a loss, even though they generate revenue from it? Hard to say not being in the business.

I'm not a global warming nut. Global warming happens every year. It's called summer. However, I do think that recycling should be provided FOC by the current waste companies, as is done in other cities and states. Conservatism (socially & fiscally) at its finest.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

Isn't profitable. You had a recycling option in California because of AB939, which required all cities to divert 50% of waste from landfills. But it wasn't, and isn't profitable.

I believe that in the far off future that our present landfills will be "mined" to retrieve the metals and plastics that we have been filling them with. What a great amount of speculation they will have as to just why we did what we did! I can only speculate that their conclusion will be that we suffered from a collective craziness.

Thanks Elvis for clearing that up. Like I said, I'm not in the business.

Just a couple more questions, and I'll leave it alone. What if the city, and or it's citizens become disatisfied with the services provided? How long would it take to renegotiate a new contract with a different vendor? What implications would befall the city should they default on said contract? Have you seen any instances where this has happened? Not an argument, I would like to see where past attempts have failed and why.

Thanks

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

So, I'll answer these questions for you:

If the city became dissatisfied_____About three years!
If the citizens became dissatisfied_______sixteen years.

The befalled city would have caniptions not implications upon a fault!
Whether you "said" it or not!

Yeah, I saw a befall once. There was a big argument and it failed.
Why? Cause!
You are welcome!

The dinosaurs were all killed due to republican votes by cave men.

Bonkers, until you get your permanent rubber room please attempt to make a coherent statement. I was asking legitimate questions, regarding a serious matter that will affect all of Peachtree City. I was asking those questions to everyone on the post, and not just Elvis. It seems as if he has interest in this “deal”, and he seems to have a decent background in the field. I was asking the questions that should be asked.

So, if you are just on here to cause hate and discontent with every post, I (and many others) will simply ignore your insane rants. That is, until you sign on as another user.
Over time we will again figure out who you are, and toy with you until we grow tiresome of your nonsense. And the cycle begins again.

The definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. See Bonkers

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

You were not asking legitimate questions!!!!

That is why I made it a further farce!

Your questions were like:

I know we have had several wars since 7000 years before time, but could someone recap them all for me and tell me how they came out? Who won them all and what did it cost them? I want to know!

Hey, you just run off a garbage company if they screw up!!! This ain't California or NYC.

Now go stir someone elses pot. Run along now, there's adults talking here.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

The city has the option to levy sizeable fines on the contractor for various reasons. The contract is for a specified period. Should the contractor provide flawless service, the city would probably agree to extend the contract. Should they not, the city would exercise its option to put it out to RFP.

The City of Vallejo fined me $11,000 once for a trivial matter. It was rather tough to explain to my boss. Getting an unbudgeted – and avoidable – check for 11k cut tends to draw attention in a corporate environment. I myself made sure it never happened again. That meant keeping all the citizens happy happy happy.

My only real gripe with the PTC RFP is that the fines for performance issues are only $100 each. They could just as easily have made it $1,000. All of the bidders would still have bid.

The only defaults I've heard of were for reasons other than performance (RICO, anyone?).

Remember, whomever wins this contract will make a pile of money on commercial and industrial accounts. Part of the cost of doing business and making that pile is keeping you, me and the city council happy happy happy

Have you read the city's RFP?

I've never seen a performance bond posted in advance upon which a municipality can draw funds to cover fines. Levying fines is actually quite rare and indicative of a big breakdown.

Haulers with franchaise contracts usually operate at a loss for residential service. The low price keeps the residents happy and allows the hauler to have exclusive rights to the lucrative commercial and industrial business -- with the exception of recyclables and C&D materials, which are often kept open.

Couldn't agree with you more, the government is a monopoly. In fact, all monopoly is created by government. The government can't run anything well and never has, no competiton.

BTY, the mob controlled trash because they had the politicans in their pockets.

Clear thinking on your part.

This doesn't even count "over the air" which would make for 4 choices.

Franchaise contracts are the holy grail of the industry. Companies that win such contracts bend over backwards to prevent the contract from ever going out to bid again. Cities usually build in language for things such as donated roll off boxes for something like a cart path clean up, minimum requirements for responses to complaints, etc. Bidders to the RFP will submit a $20,000 fee just to throw their hat into the ring. That and the franchaise fees will more than cover the time city staff spent using pre-existing cut-and-paste municipal solid waste RFP templates (and they did a decent job).

Sadly, as you suggest, none of that applies to cable.

of these contracts, Hmmm. Do you happen to work for one of the companies that are trying to get this to go to Contract. I do not like the Government telling me that I only have one choice, the one that they made for me. Especially not Otis Campbell.

I'm not currently employed by any of the bidding companies. The RFP is available for perusal on the PTC city government website, which is where I read the details. In another life, I bled both green and gold all over a couple of large municipal RFPs. The city did a good job on the RFP -- not great but good.

as long as there are performance requirements during the contract period. For example, a customer complaint ratio below a certain level, or no missed trash pick-up days. Contract violations would mean an automatic out for the city at it's discretion.

They are UPS, Fed EX,and postal,that is a lot of trucks why does PTC put up with that?Just get 1 delivery service.(LOL) Been saying it for years Welcome TO Little Russia. Jim