Citizens speak up for added tax at Fayette School Board meeting

Fri, 08/01/2008 - 2:10pm
By: The Citizen

Citizens speak up for splost at FCOBE meeting

Meetings of school boards are usually not the most heavily attended of the meetings held by elected officials in any county. Fayette County School Board’s meeting Thursday night to get public comment on whether to put a one-percent Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax (SPLOST) on the November ballot was a possible exception. Eighteen of the 75 people in the room signed up to have their say. And their near unanimous position: bring on the SPLOST.

Of the 18 Fayette residents that took to the podium for their two minute allotment of time, 17 wanted the SPLOST put on the November ballot and one opposed the one-percent tax initiative. Of those who supported placing SPLOST on the ballot, several said they not only supported the initiative, but also supported passage of the SPLOST.

One of the parents supporting the ballot initiative was Claudia Pagan, who moved to Fayette from California.

“I chose the school system, not the house,” she said. “Look at education systems around Georgia and around the country. We’re leaders. We can’t afford to lag behind.”

The one speaker opposing the one-cent tax was Bob Jensen, who said students do their job and the school board seems to want to play games. In stating his opposition, Jensen said Fayette students are succeeding despite the school board.

A number of those in favor of the ballot initiative came to the meeting to advocate for SPLOST as a way of offsetting potential jobs cuts to some of the school system positions referenced in a board meeting earlier in the week. Several speakers wanted to make sure that band, music and other programs were not negatively impacted. Several others advocated for the aquatic center that was initially on the SPLOST proposal but was subsequently removed. One of those was Deb Presley.

“We moved here instead of north Atlanta,” said the mother of four, two of whom are swimmers. “We moved here for quality of life, including the schools and recreation.”

Speaking after the meeting, board member Dr. Bob Todd said the board has a major job ahead of it. Regarding the potential passage of the SPLOST initiative, he said the board needs to have citizens understand what the money will be spent for and guarantee board oversight of expenditures to maintain community integrity.

“I think it would have been better if we had had more lead time to articulate it and been able to demonstrate how taxpayers would save money and if we had laid out a reasonable scenario to protect the M&O budget,” Todd said. “SPLOST or no SPLOST, we’ve got to get a handle on personnel costs. We have to plan for coming years. SPLOST is not manna from Heaven.”

A one-percent SPLOST would generate approximately $100 to $115 million over a five-year period to help fund needs to address current and upcoming needs. Specifically, the SPLOST would fund debt service ($38 million), which will lower property taxes, technology ($44 million), security ($3.5 million), textbook adoption ($2.5 million), facilities five-year plan and warehouse relocation ($17 million) and transportation ($10 million).

It is estimated that the SPLOST would lower property taxes through a reduction of the school system’s bond millage rate ranging between 0.83 mills to 1.59 mills during the time it is in place, Comptroller Laura Brock told board members July 21.

On the flip side of the SPLOST coin are some or all of more than 260 school system positions totaling more than $11 million that could be eliminated if the SPLOST fails, board members were told at the July 28 meeting. The list of potential cuts referenced at the meeting included those positions that have either partial state funding or no state funding. A decision on prioritizing the potential cuts, the time frame in which jobs might be eliminated or the exact number to be eliminated was not discussed at either the July 28 or July 31 meetings.

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Submitted by localyocal on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 9:44am.

Who would be accountable for property taxes when they do not go down? School Board or the Comptroller, who told the school board. After 15 years of homeownership in Fayette county I have never seen a reduction.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 2:48pm.

Obviously you skipped math.

Taxes can go up a little, or they can go up a lot!

The difference can be not having added any expenses.

Submitted by localyocal on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 9:36pm.

I had math in Fayette County Smiling

Submitted by PTC Observer on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 6:53am.

It's interesting that government is the only organization that gets more money for getting poorer and poorer results. The governmental solution to every problem is more money, even as test scores go down, and conditions in our schools get worse. Isn't it time we get government out of the education business? Where's the accountability for the results? In a private system only those schools that excel get rewarded. Fayette schools may be good but their not getting great, it's going the other way. Let's privatize the schools and get the politics out of education.

Submitted by loanarranger707 on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 6:47am.

The thought should occur to everyone that this chorus of support for a SPLOST was well orchestrated in advance. Some Board of Education members pushing for a SPLOST undoubtedly invited and even pressured their friends to come to the meeting and speak in support. The idea is to make it sound as if "the public wants it, and we're just responding to the people's wishes."

Some people are well-versed in the art of crowd manipulation.

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Submitted by Woody on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 3:57pm.

Given the way that they packed the hearing, should the Fayette County Board of Education be regulated the same way as other railroads? The Board could be required to blow its horn for fifteen seconds as a warning when it is starts to cross the taxpayers. It might wear out the horn prematurely, but at least we would know what hit us.

The conduct of the Board and its refusal to act fiscally responsible is inexcusable. It's time for a new superintendent.


Submitted by head_ragg on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 4:08pm.

yes, and I'm sure we all agree on who, but the deal is, if people don't get out and vote...guess what?

I want the kids to have things, but I don't think some on the school board have the kids interest ahead of their own, otherwise, why wasn't this discussed for months ahead of this? Could it have been the election coming up so it was buried? If either will post their reasons, I'm all ears. I'm sure if they would , all would like to hear it. Does anyone but me hear the deafening silence? I have no respect for Smith or Smola.

Submitted by Fayette Resident on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 3:36pm.

As a long term resident of this county, I am not sure how I will vote. I believe that the school board needs to show some fiscal responsibility and determine what expenses can be cut from the budget before any additional revenue is promised. Most companies are facing the question of where funds can be cut. A company in today's economic conditions is simply not able to say, "Okay, I will go out and sell more product in order to cover additional expenses." Ask Ford and GM if they are able to do that. The Board needs to take a hard look at ALL positions from COUNTY OFFICE to Maintenance and decide where cuts can be made during these trying economic times. If they are able to make cuts where they are needed, then I will probably be more in favor of the SPLOST.

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Submitted by Acey1 on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 12:34pm.

If history is any indicator, this doesn't have a chance. We'll see...


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 3:57pm.

Well, it failed twice before and the school system didn't have an utter collapse despite the extreme predictions of doom back then from the school board. Is there any reason to trust this present school board with the pathetic concealment of their intent to have a SPLOST and keep it quiet until post-election? How about how poorly they handled redistricting, wasting tons of people's time and money in a charade? How about consistently not being able to fund operations without tax increases? School construction? Land acquisitions?

Let's face it, the reason Fayette students are succeeding has very little to do with the board and its continued incompetence. This is nothing new in Fayette, either. The boards have been horrid for the last 10-15 years. The students still achieve due to committed teachers, DeCotis, and big involvement from the parents.

I'll be voting NO and shaking my head in disgust at the attempted end-run the board tried by keeping this quiet until immediately after the election. Not only was that very deceptive, but it also doesn't give them near enough time to study alternatives, inform the public, hell, inform THEMSELVES, or even attempt to make it appear like they have a clue as to what they are doing.

Don't reward BS from this school board by giving them yet another load of cash that they promised over and over wouldn't be necessary after the passage of the bond issue in 2004. 4 years later they come running back to the trough with the same disaster tale of what happens of you don't pay up.


Submitted by head_ragg on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 11:32am.

The reason I think so is look at the last election. Most were so sure that no one would vote for Smith and Smola, they neglected to vote themselves!

The same thing will happen with SPLOST, people who don't want it won't bother to vote, thinking it will never pass. Those that work for the schools and their family and friends, will vote. Wouldn't you if it was implied your job was on the line?

I feel as strongly as you, that the way it was handled was very deceptive. Heck! They let us vote without all the facts on the table! It is obvious they rather not discuss it before the elections and keep the public in the dark. Yes, alternatives could have been looked at for months and the problem solved. Whoever kept the lid on it was not looking out for the kids or taxpayers, but for their own selfish interst. How honorable is that?

If people don't get out and vote, you will have SPLOST!

Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 2:54pm.

Votes on these sort of taxes are never at a National general election time, or never have been anyway.

In a conservative community such as this, they get an itch from voting for taxes. They simply don't go to the off year votes.

Yes, there are devious people even in our officials!

Submitted by 30YearResident on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 5:57pm.

I completely agree with you that they "SHOULD" show some fiscal responsibility, but they've never done it in the past, what makes us think they'll do it now or in the future?

They don' have to show any responsibility, not as long as they can increase taxes.

The majority of the School Board know nothing about running a business and don't listen to the minority that do. These former school teachers allow the school administrators to ride roughshod over them all the time.

Problem with the way the school admin will react is that they'll cut high visibility positions instead of cutting the fat.

Did you know that department heads are "trained" to not save money in their annual budget? By that I mean, if they don't spend what they've been allocated, then next year, their budget will be cut. So guess what, they are conditioned to spend every dime so they can come back next year and submit a budget increase.

If we want "fical responsibility, then we need to elect school board members from the business ranks, not the bored housewives and former school teacher ranks. Same with school administrators.

Submitted by ForTheFutureOfF... on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 7:10pm.

Mmmmmm. That would be pretty stupid to put someone in there that had no idea about the education system wouldn't it. Yeah, let's run it like a business. Yeah, let's bankrupt it like so many morons that got STUPID loans that put the housing market in the shape it is in now. 30 year resident eh? I guess you still live here because...well...life is good here in Fayette County. Do you want to go live in Clayton County? I didn't think so. If you would, please go check out WHO is on the board over there. Guess who???? You got it. Just the people you want in here.

Go do your research. Fayette County School System was the ONLY metro Atlanta school system to pass AYP. (I'll let you go look that up.) Fayette County School System students finish in near the top of every category (math, science, etc.) in the state. Please don't be stupid enough also to say that GA is in the bottom ranks of whatever ranking you choose either. Need to compare it with how those figures are put together.

Sorry to be so blunt...but do your research. Remember, when the school system FAILS...your property value goes down. I do believe people move here BECAUSE of the school system.

Mmmmm. Maybe they are doing something right. Oh and by the way, if this passes...your property taxes go down. Oh yes you have to pay a penny more, but let's compare that to surrounding counties. Also, go look at the tags on the vehicles at the local Walmart. Yep. All those "Out Of Towners" are going to help pay for that too.

For The Future Of Fayette County....I'll pay an extra penny!

Submitted by 30YearResident on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 7:12pm.

Okay, I'll not say it..... (are you sure you're not Sage Advice? His/her comments were just as asinine.)

You don't hire the inmates to run the asylum. You hire fiscally responsible business people to manage a multi-million dollar budget.

Your comment on real estate foreclosures was really ignorant. You have a bunch of really dumb people, buying homes they KNOW they can't afford, not escrowing T&I and barely making the payments on an adjustable rate loan, and it's the banks fault? WOW, I hope you're not managing anything.

Fayette is still a transient community. Many of the children of families that came into the county in the last 5 years received their elementary education at schools "other than" Fayette. One documented reason for higher scores. To be one of the best in a state that is ranked 41th out of 50 (2007 results) is not so prestigious, in my opinion.

Now YOU do YOUR research and look at the schools performing the best... what part of the county are they located? Probably PTC, Whitewater and Starrs Mill.

Also, your comment of "if this passes, your property tax goes down" proves more of your ignorance.

Fayette BoE already charges the highest millage rate for schools allowed by Georgia. The only way they can get more is by floating a bond (we're already paying for at least 2 I think) or by sales tax.
Over 73 cents out of every tax dollar we pay for property tax goes to the school system already.

Fact is, they have not been able to manage it properly.

They need to learn and stop coming to the well. Or we need to cap the well.

Submitted by heatjam on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 11:03pm.

Oh and by the way, if this passes...your property taxes go down.

Property taxes go down and income taxes go up since you can deduct property taxes on your 1040 but most people can't deduct sales tax.

I'm not so against the extra penny...what I am absolutely against is how this BoE has presented it. A mere 6 days after the election and using major scare tactics to boot! And what is so hilarious is that a few short years ago, the powers that be were going around saying what a bad idea that a SPLOST was and how the counties that rely on sales tax revenues were doing so poorly. That's because they wanted the bond referendum to pass. Now they want their cake and to eat it too.

Submitted by PTC Observer on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 9:18pm.

The future of Fayette County schools is in question, is it not?

What happened in the recent Iowa and CRCT testing in Fayette County? Getting better?

What about gang activity in our schools? Getting better?

Aren't schools a huge government works program created in a failed attempt to educate those that don't want to be educated? What about those students that really want the education and the teachers that only want to teach instead of being policemen, babysitters, and referees? Why should they be subjected to this mess?

So, now they want us to pay more for poorer results? Give me a clue on why we should continue to pay into a decaying system? Where's the accountability?

Let's get government and politics out of the education business.

The only question is when will the citizens say that they have had enough.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 8:00am.

Well, it is good not to educate the masses! They end up being just smart enough to avoid slavery and standing up for themselves!

Also. if you are born poor, the ain't no way you can attend private school, so ignorant = poor = no school.

That is how we built the USA!

It does pay however to sort the want tos from the don't want tos at some age and try an alternate education process. I'll do the sorting for those of you who are sure to ask!

Submitted by PTC Observer on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 4:28pm.

There is a vast history in the United States of the poor becoming educated, productive, and rich. All without the help of government and sometimes in spite of government.

You my friend have been brainwashed by the "great social experiment" line doled out by our government schools.. That is that the poor are somehow incapable of making it on their own without government support. I have news for you they not only can, they have in the past and would continue to .. all without government support.

Public schools are not the answer, they are the problem.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 5:13pm.

Yes, we had a Saviour once, just one.
According to your logic, we could have several if only they wanted to be one!

And yes we have had some make it out of desperate beginnings.
Do you want to put a percentage to that? Even with public schools for everyone, it doesn't often happen! Some make it half way!
Take away the public education and we will again have a country of a few wealthy educated people, and a few technicians, carpenters, etc., and a whole bunch of people who can maybe write their name and read stop signs.
They will do the grunt labor!

Submitted by PTC Observer on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 2:23pm.

Friend, you don't know anything about the history of public education in America. The great social experiment, has failed because it never worked in the first place.

You are ignorant of facts and naive in your beliefs. People succeed or fail based on their abilities, nothing else. Education simply teaches skills, nothing more.

Read history and then we can exchange ideas after you improve you knowledge. Public (read socialist) education has posioned your thought process and your powers of observation. Simply put you are a product of your socialist environment.

Submitted by Split Decision on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 3:17pm.

that is how I'm going to vote for the E-SPLOST.

Submitted by star2be499 on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 7:06pm.

if this splost does not get passed, i will lose both my chorus teacher and chorus all together, sandy creek only has 1 chorus teacher all the other fayette high schools have at least two choir directors, so if you get rid of my teacher you get rid of chorus... music is what i plan on majoring in and if they get rid of that i won't know what to do, but i bet if somebody proposed cutting jobs and such from the athletic side of schools, splost would win hands down, but all these people who are against it, i mean come on give it a try you never know to you try.. . also think of all the kids who won't get any experience in music or art...

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