Would any one of you show any one of us where Barack Obama supports reparations? Don't just make up arguments that don't exist guys. That's terribly dishonest.

Kevin "Hack" King

At the Unity 08 broadcasters convention Obama said:

"On reparations for Blacks, Obama says this would cost billions of dollars. “The best reparations that we can provide are good schools in the inner city, and jobs for people who are unemployed,” he points out.

“I believe that whether it’s Native American issues, or African American issues regarding reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not to just offer words, but offer deeds.

“I am much more interested in talking about how can we get every child to learn, and get every person health care and make sure that everybody has a job, and that every senior citizen in this country retire with dignity,” says Obama.

He wants schools and jobs. Radical!

Hack and Jeff.

Reparations:
The act or process of making amends; expiation.
Something done or paid to compensate or make amends.

Deeds:
Something that is carried out; an act or action.
A usually praiseworthy act; a feat or exploit.
Action or performance in general.

The point is that he believes TODAY, that we need to "perform an act such as to compensate or repair" America's use of African Slaves.

I'm all for better schools. I'm for better jobs. But this specifically is designed to repair America's role in slavery.

I don't expect an intellectual response from either of you, since you know the truth, you just don't like it.

Those DEEDS mean you have to TAKE MONEY FROM TAXPAYER, like me, who has had no relationship to slavery whatsover, and to use that money to repay a person who has never been a slave, to "repair" their lives.

Either way, we are talking about MONEY.

Intellectually dishonest.

If you want to "repair" the descendents of slaves, then tell them to use all of the wonderful opportunities that they have here today in America verses that which they would have had in Africa. Hmmm. It seems to me, instead of repaying them, they should be paying us back for being blessed to have been born here.

I know you din't have none slavs. But you see, oncest they wuz slavs, long ago, well not too long--hubndred and some yars, they got ahind us rest..chinese, indians and all, and not due to their fault they got ahind everthang, you see.
Thet caused thre chidren to see how tuh act out and they stayed ahind. Ya see howsum it wurks?
Therfore and ahind, sumone haz gut to fit ahind them and poosh, you see.

Whut they keep outn yore paycheck to fix sich thangs is a movin to slowe it seams.
Now thu thang is, do yew wont to hep or not?

Wow Bonkers! Your post is reminiscent of something that Sage would say. Could it be? Hmmmmm.

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

Who sage?

Bedonk-adonk Bonk
Ahorn he did honk
Times air whut they air
No matter the color hair!

Intellectually dishonest?

Show me a reference from anywhere having Obama saying that he wants to pay monetary reparations for the descendants of slavery. He said the best reparations were schools and jobs and you just make this other stuff up then complain about it knowing its not true.

Intellectually dishonest? Show me Obama's words backing you claim.

I know its hard for you, as a liberal, to understand the difference in truth and lies. I mean, your leader qualified the term "is" into some manical explanation of how he really wasn't lying about his little tryst in the Oral Office.

But yes Jeff, DEEDS means doing something about REPARATIONS. You suggest that he meant Schools or Jobs. Well thats fine and dandy, but how do you suggest that schools and jobs is the meaning of the term DEEDS? This suggests that we haven't already done something about educating blacks with public schools,--do you know of any descendents of slaves that can't get a free public education? He suggests that he is going to produce jobs specifically for the descendents of slaves. Well, how and where does a liberal get jobs? He gets it by TAXING ME and then creating a Government Job to put the person in. e.g. Atlanta Public Works Department.

The point is, that you refuse to honestly acknowledge, is that any Reparations is to whatever degree, a "compensation" for past wrongs. Again, that means money from me, to be paid to blacks for something neither of us had anything to do with.

Schools and jobs are noble endeavers, BUT FOR EVERYONE, not just someone whose skin reflects light differently than mine.

Barack is supposed to be the race neutral candidate. He's supposed to be the Messiah that brings us all together. Instead, he's blaming McCain for making this about Race, all the while he's playing the race card every day.

You quoted the Newspaper very selectively from the article I mentioned. Look at the way race is being played out with those minority journalists. They almost fainted while waiting for him. They even cheered him when he arrived. Talk about the profession of journalism.

Again, whenever anyone says it ain't about race, it is.

Have at it. If you can convince people that Obama is for monetary reparations for slavery then they are much stupider that I think.

On a happy note, I found a 527 for you to donate to. Its run by Floyd Brown, the creator of the famous Willie Horton ad, and has produced an ad claiming Obama is a Muslim. When I saw the story about it and recognized the type of sleaziness that leads people to broadcast lies knowingly, naturally I thought of you.

As payback for my research however, you have to go to the Daily Kos site to get the link to the 527.

New McCain PAC Ad Calls Obama a Muslim

'cause I think you've lost contact with reality as it exists outside of your window:

"The clueless generation will lead us down the path of higher taxes, more debt and more handouts."

So, Mudcat, where has your generation of conservatives lead us? Thanks for passing all of the bills for your "larger than life" GOP government to our kid's kids. Oh, and thanks for destroying The Department of Justice as we once knew it. Do you know how little credibility your arguments have?

ALL conservatives* can do is set up anti-Barack websites, run anti-Barack ads, and post half or no-truth stories about Barack and his reasons for global popularity. Here it is in a nut shell, Mud:

REPUBLICANS HAVE NO TRACK RECORD TO RUN ON

THE WORLD IS TIRED OF FEAR POLITICS

REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE IT IS WRONG TO HAVE HOPE OR OPTIMISM.

Americans are not going to apologize for having hope (finally, after 7 years)!

Mudcat, feel free to sit in the glow of your computer screen, mad at young people for having the nerve to support their candidate. The bright side is President Obama and the democratic congress may get you a break on your anti-anxiety meds.

Good luck with that!

Kevin "Hack" King

Well, yeah...but maybe Spain owes South America and the Caribbean an apology also. Even Columbus!

England also owes most of the rest of us an apology also. They made us leave due to religion and debts! Well, the Irish were tired of potatoes

So I don't get the saying "we're sorry" part when the subject was brought up about whether Obama's statement had something to do with possible reparations or not.

I don't know if you could get a majority in Congress to go along even with a "We're sorry" proclamation. The reason: a vocal chunk of people don't feel they have anything to feel sorry about at all, don't care about legacy effects, and don't think that *they* had anything whatsoever to do with how natives or blacks were treated then and that it's 2008 and everyone is more or less equal enough to succeed or fail. Right or wrong, there is a chunk of people who firmly believe that and they make up the majority of the Republican party and some independents. In other words, it is politically very risky to try and float the "we're sorry" balloon as it can and will be used against you.

I did not interpret this to mean he is for reparations, my opinion is that he is way too smart to be for something that is impossible to do. He is for doing something to promote the healing of the wounds caused by the genocide of the Native Americans and the enslavement of fellow human beings, and helping white people get over the collective guilt that is the residue. Denial is not an effective agenda for moving on.

Remember, this is not a quota system. This is a system that says, all things being equal, you may consider other factors like gender, race, or in this case, economic status when making hiring or admissions decisions. For instance, if you have 6 slots for a graduate studies program, and 6 men and 6 women look equal on paper, would it not make sense to try and get as diverse a cross-section as possible (3 men, three women, varied ethnicities)? I would never suggest more qualified white males should be put at a disadvantage, but all things being equal, the above mentioned factors might be worthy of consideration as "tie breakers." And I would expect them to come into play if it be an HBCU program that could favor a white male or female's admission; a two way street. Just food for thought.

Take care brother,

Kevin "Hack" King

Have you ever hired anyone before? Ever gone through the interview process and try to figure out the candidates' motives, their real character, what they are really all about? It's always a toss up.
I've hired hundreds of blacks and whites in my career. I'm telling you that it ain't as easy as you seem to suggest.

About 20 years ago, a reverse discrimination case was won at the Cyclorama here in Atlanta. A white man was denied the job, even though he had a resume that put all of the blacks to shame. The hiring criteria was ignored, and they put in a black person with less qualifications.

The white guy wins the lawsuit, and is somehow given the job. He is barely on the job for a few months, when his peculiar behavior started to show. He began to bring his own exhibits to display at the Museum. He was staying late with no one present, to "fix" the errors on the painting. Yes, he was painting over the artwork.

The fact was, this guy had the qualifications "on Paper" but something wasn't right about him, and those black Human Resource people could see that. He wasn't discriminated against because he was white, but because he was a nut. Something that can't be determined by an "objective" resume of factual information.

My point is, that no matter how hard you might want to try to be fair, when it comes to the bottom dollar, employers want employees who are qualified and who aren't carrying any baggage with them.

Employers often see women applicants and think, How long before they have children and want to go part time or quit? Is that fair to consider?

Employers often see black applicants and think, How long before they start talking like Barack and play the race card, and drag me into a Racial Discrimination suit, because I posted a blog online about how Barack is a racist loving, terrorist hugging, Marxist admirering empty suit? So if I hire a black applicant, then I can't have an opinion that is politically incorrect without paying the price.

I know if I was your employee, I'd be filing racial discrimination charges against you so fast, it would make your labor lawyer's billing clerk's head spin round and round.

Affirmative action is reverse discrimination. Affirmative action can actually cause more harm for minorities and women merely because it gives you a weapon to use against the employer, who is only interested in finding people who will work to make a profit, which is the ultimate motive.

When blacks and women no longer use their skin color and sex as an excuse, then employers might be less worried about those factors when hiring, and actually will hire more blacks and women.

us how disadvantaged they are.... When guys like you stop making leaps of logic trying to equate the word "deeds" with "reparations," I won't have a need to post. You make the most disingenuous arguments sometimes Richard; disappointing for a lawyer.

And, by the way, I've interviewed and hired many a person, black, white, male, and female, and it hasn't been difficult at all.

Kevin "Hack" King

You said, " . . . I've interviewed and hired many a person, black, white, male, and female, and it hasn't been difficult at all."

Bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?

Delta pilots don't do any hiring at all. And it is unlikely that Air Force Reserve Majors instructor pilots do much hiring either.

So where did you get all of this hiring experience? Or are you just making stuff up to try and bolster your argument?

I can see why your comments have very little credibility on this site. Stick to the facts. Now I know why Trax outed you as a liar.

You guys are so accustomed to making crap up that sometimes I think you project that onto us independently and liberally minded folks as well. Take a seat, Bard_PTC and be educated:

In the Air Force Reserves, you can not just walk into a job. We get applicants. They submit applications. We read those applications. We have applicants fly in. They are interviewed. We weigh their experience, demeanor, goals, communication skills, situational decision making, etc. (Drum roll cue)

THEN WE HIRE THEM.

I have run many of these hiring boards over the past ten years you all-knowing..... Well, I won't call you that.

I'll just say that there is no way in hades that I would hire someone who pulled things out of their britches like you have. Enjoy your facts and say hi to Trax for me, wherever he's hiding.

Good day.

Kevin "Hack" King

You said, "THEN WE HIRE THEM." The We here is the AF Reserve.

You made some recommendations - after sitting on a board. So what.

That's no the kind of hiring experience Richard is talikng about, and you know it. The DECISION was NEVER YOURS.

Air Force Reserve Majors do not "hire" anybody.

Who is the liar now"?

I hope that wasn't cut off. So let me get this straight: You said something completely false, and now you're trying to wiggle out of it. You, sir or ma'am, are PATHETIC. What part of "ran the board" do you not get? What part of chairing a board do you not understand? If you come to my place of work to fly in my unit, the AFRES does not hire you. the people in our aircraft hire or deny hiring. One no means no. Eat your words any way you'd like, but I have no time to volley with those incapable of forming an argument.

Adios

Kevin "Hack" King

Never fails. When the argument is lost, the name calling begins. Your buttons are way too easy to push.
The operative word here is “I”.
You said, “I have hired many . . .”
Last time I checked, “I” means you alone. Not the Air Force Reserve or a board. You said “I”. Don’t care how many boards you “claim” to have run. It’s not the same and you know it.
Even worse, you still can’t bring yourself to admit that your assertion was a huge exaggeration intended to bolster your argument. Which is full of holes.

do not "run" boards.

Of course, on this website, you have never admitted that you lied, so why start now?

Because you are the all knowing Delta pilot and Air Force Reserve instructor pilot, right?

Get over yourself. You lied. Just admit it.

You never made a hiring decision ON YOUR OWN, in your entire life.

And that's the truth.

Just for recap. Richard asked me this:
"Have you ever hired anyone before? Ever gone through the interview process and try to figure out the candidates' motives, their real character, what they are really all about?"

I answered, and you made a butt of yourself. That's just how my old friend Trax rolled.

Kevin "Hack" King

I'm not sure what "varied ethnicities" means.

Since when does 6 men and 6 women of varied ethnicities show up to be hired at the same time?

Never!

You interview 3-4 after pre-selection by phone and resume checking and verifying, and then you personally interview those.

Haven't you ever been taught how hiring is done out of the public domain? (not like the military).

The word "equal" is an opinion, by the way.

Quotas are for unions, and affirmative action is for trying to correct past errors!

A good hiring supervisor, if allowed by the Personnel people, will hire the best qualified person with proved records of accomplishment in what is needed! The proving coming from past work.

There will always be prejudice by some about height, color, weight, gender, ugliness, good legs, good hair, first impressions, etc.

I understand the methodology and the whys and the reasons of AA and how it has been debated in court. But, throwing in this new twist as another factor will require a determination of just exactly how this weighs into the equation. I wish politicians would think things out before inserting their foot in their pie hole. Perhaps this is just pandering.

Like I said before, I'm not keen on either McCain or Obama at this point. But darn it, we are a little less than four months away from voting and I want to vote for the winner.
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Now you know already that you are going to vote with me on this national election! You are going to vote for John McCain just as I am.

If Obama wins, he wins! Limbaugh will get another half billion dollar contract to yell and scream about that for 8 years!

If he does win, it is purely due to the horrible job that has been done by the conservatives, and their mean attitude, for the last 8 years!
Dennis Kucinich could have won if nominated!

When you write "all things being equal" do you include Eagle Scout, Girl Scout Gold Award, service project hours with school/clubs, community involvement/volunteering and such, as being equal also? If so, then I agree, a mix of m/f and ethnicities would make the most interesting outcome. If not, then I say (and do indeed say to my students)that it is the "extras" that make the difference and those extras may be what gives you an edge and into the school you want. I'm not up on affirmative action, but I hope those extras are not overlooked.

What is an HBCU program?

HBCU - Historic Black College and Universities
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I have never understood what "historic black" means, other than they have always been that way!

Do we have "historic white," anymore?