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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 12:16pm.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 6:55pm.

Hilarious! How did you find this gem?

My dish sometimes gets sketchy during a big storm. It doesn't mention anything about whether the prayer antenna is affected in a similar fashion. I'd hate to be praying and it not being received due to inclement weather!


Christian's picture
Submitted by Christian on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 5:50pm.

A person who has a need to call themselves "Main Stream" is probably not.

The existence of a true religion cannot be dismissed simply because of the existence of false religions.

Finally, G. K. Chesterton (1901):

"In our time the blasphemies are threadbare. Pessimism is now patently, as it always was essentially, more commonplace than piety."


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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 6:54pm.

My post was all in fun, in case you had your sense-of-humor button switched off today. I've been called a Wiccan witch and a humanist tree-hugger by some on here - that's okay. Just take your armor off, Christian, and have some fun.

I found some other cool items on the internets, so other folks wouldn't feel left out. I'm hoping to find a Pantheist or Deist item somewhere, but I haven't seen any yet:

DOG BUDDHA

MUSLIM SESAME STREET

JOB ACTION FIGURE WITH BOILS

"PEANUT" BABY JESUS


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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 8:57am.

I am in two minds regarding the "prayer antenna." Is the thing itself a satire? Or is it a serious product that is simply ripe for satire/parody?

How about the Jesus sports figures available from Catholic Supply?

Can't Touch This

The above link features the Son of God, who is not only a grown man but is also omnipotent, playing basketball with small children. An unfair advantage, perhaps? Try as they might, they cannot reach the ball that He raises high over their heads.

I note, too, that this company also offers a rosary made of "basketball beads." There should be one with fottballs. Isn't the "Hail Mary" a football play?

And then there's this:

fishermen figurines

Collect them all! Rodeo Jesus, Soccer Jesus, Helmet-less Biker Jesus, Homeless Jesus (Will Work 4 Food), and my favorite, Surfer Jesus getting tubed

____________________

Oh By Jingo


Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 11:51am.

How do you feel about the prayer cloths several of the Televangelists send to you?
What if they said that all of them had been inside the Holy Arc, right alongside the Tablets themselves...the Covenant? People put them in there (replica) day and night and take them out, just as the flags are raised and lowered over the capitol!

One's letters (all seem to be alike---piled in great piles) are also blessed every show, and all have been read!

I'm not sure that enough pieces of junk can be generated to continually remind us of Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, the Hindu guy (or is he an elephant), and Zeus and them.

As one guy on here says: "hear the thunder..." Atlas also shrugged in California yesterday.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 8:42pm.

Very interesting. I noticed that Adam has dark skin and Eve is a white girl. The rest of them are correctly portrayed as having dark skin.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 5:59pm.

Question, who decides what is a true religion?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 8:43pm.

When you really think about it. After all, Christians talk about streets of gold, getting our wings, no suffering, etc. Another religion offers virgins and we laugh. Everyone goes around saying theirs is the only true religion. How do we really know which is the one true religion and is there only one real true religion? There are some religions that say that no matter how wonderful, generous a life you have lived, if you have not accepted Christ as your saviour you will not go to Heaven. Does that mean that you can lie, steal, cheat, commit all the deadly sins and at the last minute repent and go to Heaven? Some religions believe that if an infant is not baptised before they die they will not go to Heaven because they are born in sin. This is a hard one for me to accept. Also, in one religion saints have been removed (demoted)to make way for new saints--this one blows my mind.
I have visited many, many different churches from the time I was very young--questioning. In my own personal life I have come to believe that you should treat others as you would like to be treated, not take advantage of others, help when you can and be the best person you can. I also believe that you do not have to sit in a pew every time the church doors open to be a good Christian. I believe you can worship in your yard, admiring all the wonderful things around you. Who is the better Christian--the person who lives their best life, but does not attend church or the consumate church goer who is super critical of their fellow churchgoer or fellow man, whose heart is not open, and looks down on others. I think religion is a very personal thing and everyone should think and worship as their heart tells them to.

Submitted by McGerkin88 on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 10:45pm.

"I also believe that you do not have to sit in a pew every time the church doors open to be a good Christian." God wants you to commune with him by his creations as well as HIS HOUSE.

"Who is the better Christian--the person who lives their best life, but does not attend church or the consumate church goer who is super critical of their fellow churchgoer or fellow man, whose heart is not open, and looks down on others." You both are, as God Grace will prevail. The snobbery of humans is exactly that, human traits.

"I think religion is a very personal thing and everyone should think and worship as their heart tells them to." Thats true as long as you are exposed to good christian fellowship and bible study reading HIS word.

God's Grace;

"God's grace is in many ways similar to his mercy and his love, since it too has it's source in the goodness of God. Specifically, however, grace refers to the kindness of God toward the undeserving. God's mercy has as its focus our helplessness or our suffering, but God's grace focuses on our unworthiness."

Don't give up and never stop searching.

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 11:13am.

I really appreciate your post. I've been struggling a long time with the same issues, particularly with Christianity and the different sects' ways of worship. I was raised in the Christian faith; however, I've lately questioned the beliefs we hold. Many of our beliefs are supernatural and just odd. A man being raised from the dead; all the miracles in the Bible (water to wine, parting the sea, etc); the way we worship by drinking "blood" and eating "flesh"; I could go on and on - it is all out there to me these days. Then there is the constant questioning of the Bible as it relates to the beliefs of the times in which it was written and of the particular men who wrote it.

Maybe I just read too many vampire books or something (not really!), but I've begged God and family for help with this struggle and am still uncomfortable with my own religion! I struggle in church services to sit still and try to listen and believe. I appreciate your stance on just being a good person and appreciating and being thankful for the beauty around us. That is how I gain most of my peace with the world. The worship/religion part is just too weird these days.

"Never love anything that can't love you back."


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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 10:02am.

"I struggle in church services to sit still and try to listen and believe.... The worship/religion part is just too weird these days."

Your post reminded me of the turmoil I've also wrestled with for many years. I was finally able to break free of the "supernatural and odd" belief system, although it has left me feeling a bit ostracized at times, especially here in the South.

I found a website about a year ago that allowed me to read what other people were experiencing, similar to my own struggle. I wanted to share the link with you.

Stay strong and follow your heart, whatever direction it tells you to go:

LINK


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Submitted by zoes on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 11:43am.

Thank you for sharing your experience and the link. I will look it over, but the ex-christian title made me uncomfortable. I do hope I can gain something from it.

"Never love anything that can't love you back."


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 6:15pm.

Look for the Church that is hated by the world, as Christ was hated by the world.

Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times, as Our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned.

Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth.

Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils.

Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because he called Himself the Truth.

Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect its voice as the very voice of its Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly, it is other-worldly.


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 6:59pm.

That description fits perfectly with the Moonies and Scientologists, among others. Sneered at by many, accused of having a devil(cult leaders),behind the times,claim to be infallible, unpopular.....yep, about any cult can be inserted into that description. I think you can find something better than that.


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Submitted by Christian on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 9:30pm.

I don't think Moonies and Scientologists quite fit the definition of a Church. They also aren't exactly called "behind the times," since both movements were started in the last few decades. On the contrary, they pretty much represent our strange times.

BTW, Here is one of my favorite quotes:

"When a Man stops believing in God he doesn┬╣t then believe in nothing, he believes anything." - G.K. Chesterton.


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 7:06pm.

That is the one that is true for you. It is a personal experience.


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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 7:40pm.

Carbon, please don't do this. It gets my dander up.

There just is no good sense in which something such as the proposition "God exists" can be "true for" some but "false for" others.

"Daisies are lovely" might be relative to individuals in the sense that, were I to utter it, I might be understood to be saying "I like daisies." And, of course, that is compatible with your saying "Daisies are ugly" (i.e., "I hate daisies.")

But whether the world is the creation of the sort of being who is described by theists is the sort of thing that is either true or false quite indepdendently of what anyone thinks or feels.

____________________

Oh By Jingo


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 8:33pm.

My post meant nothing more than a person's religion is their own, and you are one of the last people on here that I would want to agitate. I cannot debate the existence of the Creator, because the negative arguement does not compute with me.


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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 7:16am.

Well, it isn't as though I got really worked up. Blood pressure, pulse rate, respiration all normal. Soon after I posted I went to bed and slept like a baby. Smiling

It's just that the language commonly used today--"That may be true for you, but it is not true for me" is either meaningless or it is just a convoluted way of saying "You may believe that it is true but I don't." (Of course, the latter is perfectly consistent with going on to urge that one of our beliefs is false.)

____________________

Oh By Jingo


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 8:40pm.

I hope you slept better than my grandkids did as babies, but I know what you meant. Having reread my post, it does sound wishy-washy. I should have said what I feel, and not come out half-stepping: the true path is the one that works and it is the one that can be shared. True is self-regulating: if it doesn't work, then it is not true.


Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 11:27am.

I'm afraid you guys are arguing belief and truth at the same time.

I can BELIEVE that you feel something is the truth but it is not for me.

It just means that you are simply wrong! I believe.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 8:42pm.

I firmly believe that you are mistaken about me being wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.


Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 7:46am.

I understand!
You firmly believe truthfully that you are not wrong as I truthfully firmly think, not believe, that you are truthfully wrong!
Now, Muddle is always firmly and truthfully believed and thought to be adverse to non-correctness! However, there are many other considerations as to their belief or truthfullness which I'm sure he will expound and explain.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 8:23pm.

Muddle, I think it is important to distinguish between saying God exists if you believe and doesn't if you don't, and saying that each individual is free to identify with certain aspects of their faith and be true to that. For example some of the Corinthians felt it was wrong to eat meat, so they didn't, while others thought it was okay, and did, and Paul said that is okay. I think carbon is trying to say that there are many sects of theists, and one should not judge another's particular brand of theism.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 6:32pm.

All that looking is fine and good, but it don't answer the question, who decides what is a true religion, is there only one, and if so what happens to the other religions? From what you are saying, or the Bishop as it were, there is only the Christian faith as a true religion, if so what about the Jews, the Buddhists, the Hindu's etc, etc.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 4:26pm.

Should I just go ahead and put my business on here?

USED SALT BLOCKS FOR SALE!
Only $8.98
Only in the pasture field one week.
Can be busted up and shred for 25# of good table salt.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 12:54pm.

Too funny, I clicked on the testimonials and surprise, there weren't any.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by loveptc on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 12:21pm.

I'm getting one in silver! Really, where do people come up with this stuff?

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Submitted by ptcgv on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 2:25pm.

Do you think they will offer a BOGO? I want one in silver also.


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