Fix the problem! BTW that's why most seniors purchased a home in PTC, with the additional benefit of the cart paths.

WE DO NOT WANT MASS TRANSIT HERE!

The article simply says, that Seniors that can't drive a car, don't feel comfortable driving a golf cart. I seriously doubt they speak for all Seniors in this regard, as I see many Seniors on the paths at all hours.

I do not know if some type of bus service is feasible or the best transportation solution for the senior population in PTC.

But let me make two points.

I strongly disagree with the misconception that mass transit or MARTA is bad for Fayette County. MARTA or commuter rail to Atlanta in some form would be a big plus for Fayette County--and will come some day. I am not so sure of intra-Fayette public transit.

And the cart paths in PTC are safe. Some bloggers give the impression that the paths are so dangerous that no reasonable person, particularly a senior citizen, would use them. That is not reality.

I am a senior citizen. I use the cart paths every day. And occasionally at night. I do not carry a gun.

I know that sometimes there is crime on the paths. Not very often. And it is mostly teens against teens. Some teens also drive recklessly. I drive defensively and have not had a serious problem.

So I suggest we calmly consider the idea proposed by the Senior Citizens without introducing other issues.

which makes it inherently uncomfortable to many in our community. I, for one, would love to see Fayette Area Rapid Transit buses crossing the county. It would be a gas. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport

Maybe they could let the Kirkwood people tag along too. Good idea.

For public transportation and definitely would not want it in PTC, under any circumstances.

Fayette Area Rapid Transit would be great! No gasoline needed to propel the trains, trolleys and buses, just Fayette Area Rapid Transit fumes!

I'd pay two dollars to ride to Fayetteville from PTC on such transit, switch to a Fayetteville local trolley, and shop the whole place, then riding such transit home again. Would cost me about $8 to use my vehicle including gas, oil, tires, depreciation, insurance, etc.

I realize that the illegals could also ride it here to work here but they are getting here anyway in the back of 14 year old vans with no insurance!

Ain't you the stinker, with that acronym.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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I love how dismissive some people can be when others hold opinions different than their own! According to you, my position that rapid transit would be bad for Fayette is a misconception. OK, I based my opinion on what occurred AT PLACES THAT I HAVE LIVED AND ULTIMATELY HAD TO MOVE FROM. MARTA helped bring many changes to the communities where I used to live in Dekalb county: Norcross, Clarkston & Stone Mountain, but I wouldn't categorize any of them as beneficial. Of course, that's just what I saw happen with my own eyes. You obviously know more about the benefits of mass transit than I with my limited experience so please share with us how you, me, our families and our quality of life will all be enhanced by MARTA buses plying our roadways. Or better yet, explain why you originally decided to live in Fayette and/or PTC instead of the obviously advantaged locations of East Point, College Park, West End, etc. Remember, Marta buses have regular stops & even train service in those neighborhoods.

MARTA doesn't go into Norcross and that city is in Gwinnett County, not Dekalb.

What you are proposing is the old town trolley!
Built and run by taxes.
However PTC isn't built correctly for such a transportation method. Too spread out and full of deterrents---lakes four lane state roads, etc.

Again, we were supposed to be a planned community for people but it was really a planned community for developers!

Small buses could still work and almost pay for the operating expenses.
Just don't hook to MARTA!

Knee jerk negative reactions are not good, dude, babe, whatever.

Helping senior citizens in Peachtree City (or any where else) is an honorable and responsible thing to do. Attacking the idea and trying to discredit the guy that has a good idea is irresponsible and inappropriate. HEY DID YOU ALL NOTICE I DIDN'T CALL HIM OR HER A FLAMING LIBERAL WITH ANTI-CAPTIALST TENDENCIES? WELL, I DID NOT AND I AM PROUD OF MYSELF.

So back to my reasoned response, please critique the economics, the schedule and the provider if you must, but please understand that good deeds created by good people remain good. God bless you.

I for one, will work as a volunteer with whatever organization or private business is running this show. What say you?

Just asking questions--as everyone should. Before we go to the expense of setting up a bus service, why don't we push for better policing of the cart paths so people can feel safe while walking or driving their golf carts, and retain their independence? I would think there would be a way to do this without it breaking our budget. Maybe an auxillary police, or something of that sort. I think anyone policing who had the ability to curtail some of the things happening on the paths now would be more beneficial. As to questioning anyone's involvement in a proposed endeavor, I think is only prudent. If everything is above board then the person involved should not resent the question, if there is a conflict of interest or other problem better to know before getting too involved. I agree that helping seniors is an honorable and responsible thing to do, especially since I am very much a senior citizen and have been for years. As much as I would love to help with this endeavor, I am afraid I may be too busy with all the other volunteer work I do. And believe me I am no flaming liberal with anti-capitalistic tendencies. Just someone who does not blindly follow the herd. Shalom

The fact that our seniors don't feel safe on the paths. That is a shame, and I understand why they feel that way. I don't always feel safe walking my dogs. There's an awful lot of speeding, passing dangerously, not keeping to the right, no audible signal, and suspicious loitering, etc. I have seen folks of all ages driving irresponsibly.

I see Seniors on the paths in my area all the time. Which is obviously right around Lake Peachtree.

What the article said, was that Seniors who couldn't drive a car, didn't feel comfortable driving on the cart paths either. I seriously doubt that applies to all Seniors myself.

That being said, I would consider riding a bus around the City, if it were available for non-seniors. Golf Cart access to The Avenue has become horrible with the road construction, and the apparent lack of the City to be able to get the "bridge to no-where" open for cart access over the RR tracks.

I agree with all the objections, namely, let the Police patrol the cart paths where safety is an issue and how does anyone get TO the start point and FROM the end point of any mass transit system and their ultimate destination?

How does a senior using the mass transit van get to the pickup point and back home again. By definition these people don't drive, the cart paths have been deemed unsafe, walking doesn't seem practical. Good question. I did notice Wynmeade as one of the stops, but that's not the only place seniors live.

On the subject of safer cart paths, this is indeed a job for the auxiliary police and as I have said many times before - security cameras. Any regular user of the path system can pick out the 5 locations where most of the incidents occur plus it is easy to "bracket" large stretches of path with cameras so that if something happens the cameras will record the predators leaving - possibly even arriving. We do it in our neighborhood and have had only one incident of rock-throwing and the kid (unfortunately a neighbor's visiting grandson) was identified and punished.

I also know of many almost senior citizens who would gladly be cart path ambassadors or something like that. Again, the auxiliary police could handle that program. Just having an adult or law enforcement presence on the paths will help a great deal.

Thanks Robert W! SouthernBelle, if you look half that good may I take you to dinner? Bonkers, I volunteer to be the one carrying the gun -- or better yet a flame thrower. I'm willing to do the pit maneuver too, but only if you aren't sitting on the Jury. If there are sections of town that are no longer safe I vote that we take them back. Wynnmeade has cleaned up considerably -- we can do the same anywhere else, until we let the builders and the politicians flood us with "affordable" housing and we lose control completely.

These were the questions I had posed earlier--if you can no longer drive or feel unsafe on the cart paths how do you get to one of those locations where the bus will stop? I see busses dropping off groups of seniors at restaurants, shopping areas etc., every now and then. Are they associated with a certain senior citizen group, one of our hotels??

I think it is more prudent to make the effort to make our cart paths safe for everyone, not just seniors. As I suggested, if a police auxillary group was available or established to ride the paths, this would take the onus off the regular police. They could even have a placard on their windshield identifying them as Cart Path Auxillary, and carry cameras. This might be enough of a deterrent to trouble makers or litterbugs. (NOTE TO MUDCAT: These are just off the wall suggestions, so please don't interject your unique form of reply here, but do offer any suggestions that might be usable). I would be glad to work with anyone who would like to get together and propose something to the city council. I just feel that with the financial situation being what it is, we should be very cautious about taking on any new endeavor that could cost us more than we are able to pay at this time.

Has volunteered for the 8:00 P.M. to 4:00 A.M. shift on the cart path running from Lake Peachtree through the woods to the Amphitheater!

Her "night" camera will catch all crooks.

We still need 43 more "auxiliary" for most of the rest of our paths for the other 16 hours her day, and for 24 hours a day for the other six days per week!

Is a second auxiliary required? Gun carrying?

Will these golf carts out-run most ordinary carts? Will they be taught in "spinning out" another cart in a high-speed chase?

Do they call the real police or just "screech" at the cart load of bums?

We better get some rules here!

Oh, I forgot, I'm being negative!

And several of these other bloggers with multiple personas jumped in we could have all time slots covered! Then maybe I would have some time left to develop me some other personas.

No, you're not being negative--just bonkers.

I offered to help get any plan together to present for the auxillary police or such group to patrol-but if you want to run up and down the cart path yelling "The litterbugs are coming, the litterbugs are coming that would be swell." Or if you saw someone getting ready to commit a crime you could recite them one of your poems--that would chase them away in a hurry. Shalom

If you take bonkers and his other 4 persona's and take BPR and her other 4 persona's, you not only have all three shifts covered, you have days off too.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I don't believe my house is big enough for me and 4 personas--since Bonkers and BPR already have their's it would solve a lot of problems. And since we already have several horses posteriors around we may even be able to implement Southernbelle's plan.

I don't know what else to say!
You sound like BPR! No concept of needs! No how to do it!

Are there any stables around?? They could put cops on horses (this has been done before, in another state and worked VERY well) and have them patrol that way. When my family was stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas, (hell on earth) my dad implemented a mounted military police unit to combat "trail" violence. The "trail" was a path that went all over post and was often the site of many fights and as soon as the cops started doing a patrol on horseback, the fights stopped. Just a suggestion.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

We used to have stables where the Soccer fields are in Glenloch. That is where all the horse - related names come from in the area.

Do you remember the odor that floated everywhere, also?

We had designers in those days who didn't think things all the way through also!

Only problem is we would then have a clean-up problem. Maybe we could get Bonkers-Sage to do "pick-up" instead of "spread around."

Clean up wouldn't be a problem, look at the back ends of horses that give carriage rides in cities-they have bags that catch.... stuff. No clean up required. Also, if the CITY purchased a few horses, they could make the juvenile criminals (non-violent) responsible for taking care of the horses. Community service!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

There is you a job!
Bag Cleaner outer after the run!

Do they still patrol on horses or did they just close the trail?

How do we put "wheels" on it? I would be up for some patrolling in my area....