Should facts be ignored just to protect sensitivities of one racial group?

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 4:10pm
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In response to Anthony Evans’ letter, “Negative tone speaks volumes” in the July 16 edition of The Citizen, I feel a need to clarify a few point for Mr. Evans.

First of all, he must be racially sensitive to think that Mr. Webster’s “Crying Wolf” letter (in the July 2 edition of The Citizen) was negative. To the contrary, the letter was simply stating facts.

Are we no longer able to have an open dialogue without hurting the feelings of a collective group of people, when simple facts are being stated?

Please allow me to address a few points brought up in Mr. Evans’ letter.

1. Affirmative action: If you want a “level playing field” you must have level players. This would mean a desire to better yourself and acquire the necessary education to pursue your goals.

This country offers more opportunity to its citizens to succeed than any country on earth. Just ask the minority groups who have come to our shores and succeeded despite every obstacle, including a language barrier.

Americans of many ethnicities and diverse backgrounds have come to our great country to gain a better life for themselves, and their families. They have come from homes with dirt floors and grass roofs, and fled from political and religious persecution.

True, they came freely and without shackles, but, nonetheless, they are grateful to be free, regardless of how they arrived. We should all feel truly blessed to live in the greatest country on earth, regardless of how we got here.

2. Inferior primary and secondary education for minority students: Too often in minority school districts there is mismanagement of funds, corruption, and lack of discipline in the classroom. Case in point, the Clayton County school district, currently in danger of losing its accreditation.

It’s impossible to “cry racism” when the system is being controlled by the very minority group being hurt. Perhaps a lesson can be learned from Fayette County schools, where a big part of quality in education is through discipline and insisting on respect for authority.

Indeed, the Fayette County Board of Education has been reprimanded by the NAACP for disciplining minority students. Minority school districts need to administer and manage with integrity. And all parents should teach their children to respect authority regardless of race.

3. Continuing to reap the benefits of slavery: Only if one considers the “benefits” to be high crime rates, entitlement programs, drug problems, and sexually transmitted diseases, illegitimate children, and other problems that are rampant in the African-American community.

Make no mistake, we all continue to pay for these problems. Over the past 50 years it has become impossible to safely walk the streets of most major cities at night due to minority crime. This limits my freedom and takes away my liberties.

4. Feeling of entitlement — “Take care of me, Uncle Sam”: Only 4 percent of the population was ever wealthy enough to own a slave in this country.

Many decedents of slaves shop at discount stores where they benefit from cheap prices for items made abroad in “sweat shops” by indentured children and other desperate peoples. Does this mean in a few generations your descendants will owe reparations to the descendants of these victimized people?

I would like to know where the Constitution guarantees us medical and dental coverage, college tuition, food stamps, free lunches and welfare programs?

The U.S. is the single largest contributor of aid to Africa, but no matter what we give, it will never be enough. Until people become self-sufficient, they will always demand more.

In closing, the beauty of this world we live in is that we are free to go where opportunity awaits us. If you can find one nation on the African continent where you can fulfill your God-given potential and have a better quality of life, then you should “go for it.”

Otherwise, stop looking around for excuses, and join us all in reaching for our goals. Perhaps one day there will be no need to restate the same old topics, but not until the “They owe us” attitude is laid to rest. Perhaps all parents should teach their children not to have their hand out.

I think Mr. Webster’s letter was not negative, but very truthful. Unfortunately, for many, the truth hurts.

Michelle Daniels

Fayetteville, Ga.

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Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 5:41am.

You hit on the major points.

The city of Atlanta and the surrounding metro area has been a social experiment for too long. The naacp has left a trail of destruction throughout several counties. First they wanted to take over Fulton and DeKalb, then they said you are "next" to Clayton county.

They took over Clayton county got leaders that they supported elected. Look at it now....they were successful in taking over, and driving off white people....

All we have to do is watch the 6 o'clock news to see that the welfare/affirmative action/reparations experiment is a huge failure. When people are given something for nothing they do not learn to be law abiding self supporting citizens. Immigrants from other countries have come to America with just a suitcase and within a single generation will become not just self- supporting, but successful law abiding citizens.

Until we truly become color blind, meaning no more affirmative action, we never will all be on an even playing field. As long as we have the what race are you question on every form we will not be judged based on qualifications.

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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:13pm.

THANK YOU Michelle!! When I read this guy's letter all I could think of is that all these racists (yes, racists!) just keep blowing on the dying embers of a a dead fire to try and keep it alive. Just a little smoke, just a little flame -- woohoo! Now I can cry for reparations, special treatment, all the usual passes. For the past FORTY YEARS!! Count 'em folks, ever since LBJ's "Great Society" program -- good luck with that -- there have been quotas, set asides, special consideration, rewritten employement tests -- all to make up for past sins. And all the while we've got the Jesses and the Als whining at every turn about purported inequality. Let's hear what the offset was for Tawana Bradley? Or the Duke lacrosse players? Anyone? Thought so. In the meantime, the "segregation" going on today is Black driven -- Blacks attending Black schools, isolating themselves in social organizations and within the schools, all the while expressing the attitude that they're owed something. And Atlanta's the worst!! It seems like Blacks raised in Georgia have this telephone pole sized chip on their shoulders. I'm sick of it and have no sympathy for this "Bull Connor" or "Jim Crow" mentality. Get over it -- or at least recognize that slavery exists TODAY, in other parts of the world -- go picket them. Forty years is long enough. Let's make "no child left behind" mean that everyone is pulled to the HIGHEST level, not the "average" one.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 2:23am.

So, Mainframe, you see a gentleman's letter written in response to an original "Crying Wolf" letter on race as the problem? Well, maybe you can answer one question I have from the original letter by Bill Webster.

In Bill Webster's LTE, he makes this statement concerning our legal system (with a straight face I imagine):

"If you are black (or a Democrat) you not only get a pass, but are vigorously defended. If not, there are no excuses and you must be severely punished."

Now, after all the "Here! Here!s" subside from the folks who feel all of us blacks have chips on our shoulders, would you care to tell me what evidence exists that blacks fair better in courts than whites, or Democrats fair better in court than Republicans?

Mainframe, here is a portion of my response to Bill Webster's letter, the origin of this racially fueled salvo:

Typical misplaced political jab. Democrats have received such gentle treatment that the GOP staffed Justice Department is under investigation for going after......Democrats in disproportionate numbers. Blacks have received such kid glove treatment in America that many of them did not even have to go to the trouble of committing a crime to receive harsh sentences.

According to the Justice Project and court records,since 2001, 19 men in Dallas County, Texas alone have been set free after being cleared of the crimes they were CONVICTED of by DNA evidence. That is just one county in this good ole US of A. Patrick Waller is the latest man to be released. His kid glove treatment only netted him 15 undeserved years behind bars. I can see why the resentment is festering in white America!

Mainframe, as you continue to throw around the names of Al and Jesse, two men who have a very limited impact on black America, you might wonder back to the root of this issue: Is The USA truly a level playing field for all citizens today, regardless of race, creed, or gender? If so, why is the overwhelming demographic of wrongly convicted U.S. citizens black male?

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 1:38am.

Should those wrongfully convicted be replaced with persons of the same race, however, would it not reinforce both sides of the argument -- that we both unfairly prosecute blacks and that blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes?

That would be a sad reality indeed.

At the end of the day, I'm more concerned with not being the victim of crime rather than not being the victim of a crime committed by a person of a different race.

Statements such as "If you are black (or a Democrat) you not only get a pass, but are vigorously defended. If not, there are no excuses and you must be severely punished" are as troubling, if not more so, than any sort of race based statistic.

I'm afraid of being caught up in a Clayton County-esque wave of crime, and that does conjure fear of a certain type of young black male. However, to suppose said young black males have some sort of systemic advantage -- and, even stranger, Democrats too -- is bewildering.


Submitted by TyroneTerror on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 4:32pm.

You stated that:

In Bill Webster's LTE, he makes this statement concerning our legal system (with a straight face I imagine):

"If you are black (or a Democrat) you not only get a pass, but are vigorously defended. If not, there are no excuses and you must be severely punished."

What you did was make up something. Mr. Webster didn't say that in reference to the legal system. It was in reference to the paragraph before which read:

If a white person said what the Rev. Wright said, only about black people, we would have seen march after march in front of his church by Al Sharpton and other black “leaders.” Don Imus said three words in a poor attempt at humor, not racism, and Sharpton gets him fired. Imus could not have been more contrite and apologetic, but he loses his job. Wright continues to unrepentantly spew racial hatred and Sharpton defends and justifies him. Unbelievable.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 5:50am.

"Wrongly convicted"? In some cases that might be true, but not in all cases.

Larry Elder touches on that topic in his book. He used the U.S. Justice Dept web site as a reference. One example he sited was a situation in New Jersey involving speeders on the Jersey Turnpike. There were numerous complaints of racism linked to tickets. So the U.S. Justice Dept did a study using cameras and laser guns to record every driver going over 15 miles per hour over the limit. It turned out that more black people were speeding which justified why cops pulled them over more.

The U.S.A. is not a level playing field for all because of affirmative action which favors people because of their race. You are right there is favoritism in America.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 07/27/2008 - 10:25am.

As someone who has lived over four decades in black skin, forgive me if life hasn't been given to me on a silver spoon. But back to the matter. If we get a "pass" why are more of us cleared by DNA evidence than other races?

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 8:58am.

First, I didn't say "all Blacks" have a huge chip on their shoulders, I said "Georgia Blacks". And everyone I know who has spent time anywhere else agrees. Second, it sounds to me like your knee is jerking and smacking you in the head about this. Maybe you missed the letter that started this, but it was from some supposed NAACP rep whining about the fact that Fayette Courts aren't as lenient as those in other (Clayton, Dekalb or Fulton?) Counties, insinuating that Blacks weren't getting fair or equal treatment.

As to your question I can't explain the cases that have been reversed due to DNA evidence, but isn't it a good thing that science is making such great strides that can be used to definitely prove a person's guilt or innocence? If you look at the Bureau of Justice Prison Statistics (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm) as of June 30, 2007:
"At midyear 2007 there were 4,618 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,747 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 773 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males."

I presume you'll take the stand that this shows "racism". I feel it shows a much different problem, one that is supported by the fact that most of our large cities are incredibly dangerous places. And what Race is most prevalent in these dangerous places? Please name a single place where a "ghetto" exists that is not predominately Black. That's not "racist", that's a fact.

Maybe you can explain why Brian Nichols hasn't been tried, convicted and executed yet?


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 7:58pm.

Fact: More blacks per capita are imprisoned for crimes in the USA than other races.

Fact: More blacks are being released from prison for wrongful convictions.

Fact: Brian Nichols, Charles Manson, Michael Wright, and Denis Rader are still alive.

Fact: Dennis Rader killed 10 people starting in 1974! Dennis is a white, church going type.

Mainframe, I don't know why crimes break down by race the way they do. I don't know how useful it is to trot out race every few months. I do know this:

As a black male, I do not feel I am in a position to lecture women who feel that there is a salary ceiling for women, that harassment exists today, or that other forms of sexism against working moms or women in general exist. I do not feel I am qualified, having not walked a day in their shoes, to lecture them or speak of "chips on their shoulders" or to voice my "lack of sympathy" for them. How can I have SYMPATHY? We are not the same? I will never know the life of a woman or mother to the point I feel I can lecture them. But, mainframe, feel free to get Larry Elder's book from Skyspy so you can say, "Hey! I read the book! I now know the life of black men better than black men." Personally, I think that is quite a leap, but feel free to judge, stereotype and lecture. I'm pitching out of this fight though.

Cheers, and no hard feelings, bruh Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by wulfman on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 7:45am.

Just like to comment on your post.

You are 100% correct it is impossible for a white man or woman to know how a black man or woman feels or to be able to see the world through a black persons eyes.

I have spent a little time in the so called ghettos of Atlanta and have seen the poverty and sense of hopelessness. While I can feel sorry for these people and try to help the ones that want help I can not possibly feel what they feel and see the world as they see it through their eyes.

But in turn Hack, you can’t possibly feel what a white person feels or see the world through a white persons eyes.

So we end up with some white people thinking every black person they see is a thug and some black people thinking every white person is a KKK member.

What is the solution? I don’t have the answer to that million dollar question and I probably won’t live long enough to see it answered.

Wulf


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 10:50pm.

"Fact: more blacks per capita are imprisoned for crimes in the USA than other races"

From 2005 here are some crime stats based on demographics and crimes. Based on US census and FBI crime stats.

In Washington DC which was 60% black and 8% hispanic had a murder rate of 35.4, robbery was 636.1 aggravated assault was 700.1. In Newark New Jersey which was 54% black and 30% hispanic had a 34.5 murder rate 444.7 robbery, and 494.9for aggravated assault. Cleveland Ohio with 51% black and 7% hispanic population the murder rate was 23.8, 815.7 for robbery, and aggravated assault was 454.6. Compton California which at the time was 40% black and 57% Hispanic had a murder rate of 67.1 had a robbery rate of 489.3 and aggravated assaults at 1189.2.

When we look at statistics for crime how is this racist? Do you honestly think all of these people were framed based on race?

We could look closer to home. Look at the census report for clayton county compare the crime stats from the GBI, when do you think crime took off in Clayton? Before or after white flight? Don't take my work for it go look for yourself. Start looking in the late 80's.

Can you name a city that has a very high percentage of Whites where the crime stats look like this small sample? I'm not saying there aren't any, I just couldn't find a city that was predominantly white that had a large percentage of violent crime.

I don't claim to know what it is like to "walk in your shoes". Certainly not from reading a book. However when you watch the evening news and look at crime stats. there seems to be a trend.

I think it is possible that criminals have been falsely accused of crimes. However, I do not think the problem is as large or pervasive as you claim.

I think Bill Cosby and Larry Elder have a good message for all of us.

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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 9:30pm.

And I'm not presuming to take a step in your shoes -- I just know what I've experienced and what I see here. At least all the killers you describe have been tried and convicted. Nichols? I do read Larry Elder's column, and Walter E. Williams and numerous others. Ever listened to what Bill Cosby has to say? Outta here too -- I wasn't trying to start anything personal with you.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 8:21pm.

Just a point here, Manson was sentenced to death, but was saved when the death penalty was declared unconstitutional.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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