Ruby Tuesdays robbed at gunpoint Sunday

Mon, 07/14/2008 - 10:17am
By: The Citizen

Two armed men robbed the Ruby Tuesdays restaurant in Peachtree City late Sunday night, holding a gun to one employee’s head and forcing another to open the manager’s office and safe, police said today.

The incident occurred after the restaurant closed when the two men, brandishing handguns, confronted the employees before 11:12 p.m. police said.

Both suspects were described as black males. One was approximately 5’7” tall with a medium build, last seen wearing all black clothes and a nylon stocking over his head. The other is approximately 6’ to 6’3” tall with a thin to medium build, wearing a white shirt, shorts, dreadlocks and a dark bandanna over his face.

Anyone with information on this incident is asked to call police at 770-631-2510 or the city’s crime and narcotics information hotline at 770-487-6010. Callers may remain anonymous.

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Submitted by jackyldo on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 6:54am.

To assume the potential to commit a crime based on race is to make one's self look foolish.

Some writers here laying the burden of the "crime wave" in Fayette County certainly do not note that this issue exists in any other location or than in their backyard. Crime is a nationwide issue, and crime is caused by criminals.

To lump all Black or Latinos or any other group into an argument is as stupid as saying all Italians are in the Mafia, all Chinese are Communists or all Irish are drunks.

Submitted by vjcpurple on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 7:38pm.

I bet if you also pulled statistics on what racist has cheated more Americans out of their Pensions, health care, etc. It is this country's corporations ran by you know who. Do you wonder how the employees at Anheuser-Busch are feeling this week? America's BEER! Also, ENRON?
PTC, you live in a bubble. How are you going to stop blacks from coming to your lily white desperate housewives county? White robes, hoods and some rope. Do I need to hold my purse everything I pass a black person? I am weary of all people.

Everytime white people feel threaten they move. A little history? Killed off the Native Americans for land. Lazy? Stole African. I know this is the past, but it repeats in the present. It is called white flight. Whites run to PTC. What is the next move? The Moon?

Now, this country wants more oil. So, a war was started by lies. You can call blacks robbers and killers. White people take the cake. It is just on a higher level. It is called WAR.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 9:22pm.

How about this. Native Americans didn't get along and fought one and another for land. The Aztecs fought constantly with their neighbors for territory. So did the Chinese. You want more? How about Mongols, Arabs, Jappnesse, Huns, Zulus, Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians and I can go on and on. You see, the unfortunate reality of our species is that there are wars. It not a racial thing.

Oh, and you know what, sometimes out of these conflicts there are winners. There are those that, for whatever reason, simply prevail. So quit trying to spin this thing as only "whitey" has wars.

Oh BTW, have you kept up with Darfur lately?

Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 8:02pm.

Whats next???

A carry conceal permit. And some body bags, so I don't have to wait for the cops to bag people who break into my home.

Thank you for the nice RACIST naacp(Negative Angry Always Complaining People) threats. Thank you for showing us your true colors.

How many tribes in Africa have paid monetary damages for selling off the people of other tribes??? Oh, go ahead, don't all start typing at once.!!

How many?

I don't feel guilty because of what happened long ago in this country. My family was in Germany. You have condemned the entire race of white people for the sins of a few.

Most of us don't feel like running anymore. I took an un-official poll of my fellow classmates in my NRA safety class. We are sick of running. A NRA safety class that has a long waiting list I might add. Many people see the wisdom of education and gun ownership.

This is a new day. Most white people are smart enough to realize that their ancestors were not even in America when slavery happened in the South. When people realize that they are not in any way shape or form guilty, it will be harder for you naacp threatening people to make us feel guilty so you can keep getting your free lunch.

I hear Cascade Rd. calling you. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable in Clayton or South Fulton?

Have a nice naacp day.

You would be more successful in life if you would follow the advice of Bill Cosby and Larry Elder.

PS: Delta has one way tickets to Africa for $749. coach

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 10:21am.

"A carry conceal permit. And some body bags, so I don't have to wait for the cops to bag people who break into my home."

When Seconds Count, The Police Are Only Minutes Away!"


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 7:45pm.

Kind of like diarrhea of the mouth. To quote a great white philosopher I close with..... "Whatever".

Submitted by star2be499 on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 3:16pm.

When i first read the story..i was thinking to myself please don't be black! please don't be black!..and sadly they were I knew them being black would add more fuel to the fire for more fayette county residents being furious at african-americans. What they did was wrong,completely wrong, but saying that fayette county needs to block out clayton county from getting in is completely wrong ( and shock collars? i can't believe someone actually said that!). No it is not the majority of black people who do wrong things .It's a black person who make the bad choices ( just like every other person,despite the race make stupid mistakes),i'm not condoning what they did but you should not put at fault an entire race for what those two guys and other african americans have done.. What if the majority of jews put the entire race of Germans at fault? You should punish the individual not the race. I am an african american woman who does NOT listen to rap music ( most of it is degrading) or does not cuss like a sailor or have any other stereotype the many people have for every single african american. I mean its like saying all white people love country music..ITS NOT TRUE.. you guys need to also think about the NAACP and Bill cosby and etc. They do not speak for every black person. Just like the president does not speak for all of America.. I mean more than half of America does not even approve of our President anymore.So to say that the NAACP's condoning for crimes is what all african amercians believe is not true.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 8:33pm.

The entire white race has been blamed for the sins of a few committed at least 100yrs ago.

How does it feel?

Good luck with the freelunch-o-crat thing. Keep whining.

Submitted by jng77 on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 2:38pm.

I am new to this blogging thing... and I did jump on the bandwagon with the death of the man at Red Room. But no matter what some may think it wasn't about the races of either person involved. I'm not going to disclose my race because it's pointless here. I was raised to be good to those that are good to you. And I really do live that way. I have many friends and they are not all of the same race or nationality for that matter. I think these things are turned into racial issues because there are some people that just like to push buttons and have their buttons pushed back.

In this situation, when a crime has been commited and the suspect is on the loose, the public needs a complete discription. Our country, state, counties and towns are multi-cultural now. So, the suspects are black in this case, ok... what if they were asian? JUST AS AN EXAMPLE! Does anyone think that description of "male, so tall, such big with dark hair and eyes" will be sufficient? NO it won't! It has to come down to as much detail as possible to catch the people that commit crimes. And yes, race is part of that detail. I may be a minority but that is all that the race means to me personally, it's a detail that will hopefully help to solve a crime. Totally my opinion but isn't that what these blogs are for?

Submitted by Homplate201 on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 2:29pm.

Just look at the facts African Americans commit more "snatch and grab" robberies so to speak. They Generally are respondsible for most crimes in Fayette County. That doesn't mean just because your skin color is black doesn't make you any different than the white skin people. However, the Rap-listening "thug" crowd are the criminals here. When have you heard of a country music listener commit a crime. I'm sure it has happend but, not that often around here. I think the real problem is all the crappy rap music that serves no purpose to society. Rap listeners encourage thuggish behavior. RAP is C-rap

Submitted by biancaporter on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 12:08pm.

I am starting to be ashamed to be from Fayette County. Every time somthing happens it turns into a race issue. Everyone who reads this paper online probably thinks everyone in Peachtree City are a bunch of racists! That is what you all look like and it makes us all look bad. When somthing happens it doesn't need to be turned into the great race debate!!!! If you don't like black ppl or want them in your county then move away from Atlanta or be quiet!! White people commit crimes too!

Submitted by Punisher16 on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 5:05pm.

When a rash of crime is transpiring and the perpetrators are all black, is it wrong to point out the 800-pound gorilla in the room?

Look, if PTC was to see an african-american killed at the hands of a whitey, the news wouldn't be confined to, but on every major cable network and become a cause celebre, much like the Jena 6 situation (even though that whole story was of a white boy being beatenby six black thugs).

Black crime is the unspoken epidemic that is universal, and not indigenous to the United States, but has destroyed Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and South Africa.

Like I said, read the history of Haiti to understand the future all you whiners have bequeathed your offspring - if they happen to be white.

Confronting a situation like we have now with honesty, instead of cowardice will prevent the situation from worsening.

In case you want to see what I mean, google "Knoxville Horror" or "Wichita Massacre".

The media loves to point out white-on-black crime, but when the tables are turned, only has the decency to point out race.

Whining about white people pointing out the reality of a crime wave won't stop the criminals from robbing, thieving and, murdering.

So keep whining about whites being "racist" and pointing about black crime, and see if the thugs discontinue their operations in Fayette County.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 1:00pm.

Ooooppps, maybe not. But if the white grandmothers ever start committing violent crimes I bet this paper will be among the first to report it.

If you are embarrassed to be from Fayette I hear Cascade Rd. calling for you.......

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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 12:27pm.


Do you know what race I am? Do you know the race of my spouse? Are you aware of my sexual orientation? The issue I am bringing to light is that there is a microcosm within a community that feels strongly about another race/creed/delineation.

Those boys will probably die for what they did. All we will accomplish is to reinforce the negative aspect of one race to another. Is this a race issue? In most cases, YES.

Embezzlement, Child Molestation, Serial killings are predominantly perpetrated by White Males.

Armed Robbery, Robbery via Break-in, Car Jacking is predominantly perpetrated by Black Males.

I started pulling some statistics from the FBI site to garner this information.

I don’t feel that we need to denigrate into a Black/White fight but to identify where and who are perpetrating these crimes and get them incarcerated for as long as legally possible.

Bianca, next time you want to look at a City or County that is upset with a crime, look at what caused the uproar. The root cause is the poor economic conditions of the neighboring Counties/Cities. It just happens that the poor economic situation combined with the predominant residential racial makeup foster a concern. PTC does not have issue with a racial demographic, just the resultant crimes that occur within our haven perpetrated by people who come to look for the "Easy Score".

The More I learn, the Less I know

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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 10:58am.

FYI, this is not a FAYETTE Issue, this is an America issue. Read the link to a robbery gone bad in Texas.

Fox News Report

Wake up and smell the coffee

The More I learn, the Less I know

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 11:10am.

I'm sure the term "Hate Crime" will never be brought forward in this case. The victims were selected because of their race... and that is being white.

I know, I know, money was their real reason. Why waste time on robbing a dollar store when a bank is right next door. It's just an observation though.

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by ptcbelle on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 9:10am.

OK- maybe I missed the point. What difference does it make if the perp was black, white or Martian. The point is, and the story reported, a crime was committed, and this is the description of the people we're looking for. It doesn't matter a hoot what else they are- they're criminals. Over and out. Would anyone feel better if the description was of a an affluent looking WASP in a business suit? I doubt it. These people pulled a gun, terrorized employees (and if you've ever gone to Ruby Tuesday's you know they're mostly kids) and stole money. Enough is enough. I don't care if they come from Vulcan and have pointy ears. Catch them! And if the only way to get them is to print their description, which has to include their race (sorry folks, those are the facts for this story) then do it and people can stop getting bent about what color they are and where they come from. Unless, of course, you want to put a wall up around the city and run around asking for "papers" before anyone can cross our borders. We can't be racists but we have to be realists. Anybody who commits a crime in our city is a criminal. Period. And that's the element we want to keep out. Whether they're using a gun or a computer!

Submitted by someonesgottasayit on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 8:41am.

Since a majority of the perpetrators committing these acts in our beloved Fayette County are not Fayette County residents, I propose that we build a fence to serve as a barrier to keep the unwanted out. It doesn't actually have to be a visible fence, but a large scale invisible dog fence that runs along the county's borders. We can ask the state government to enact legislation that mandates that all non-Fayette Co residents wear a shock collar around their neck that delivers a very painful jolt of electricity whenever they come near our borders. Furthermore, a second fence should be built around Peachtree City in order to further ensure their feelings of safety and to keep the rest of the Fayette County citizens out of their territory. Temporary passes could be issued to visitors who would be allowed access through various checkpoints set up on our various highways. In addition, we could purchase some tanks to set up at the checkpoints at the county line's at N Highway 74 as well as at Highway 314, Highway 85, Highway 54, well, why not every border we share with Clayton and Fulton counties. We'll leave the Coweta/Fayette border lightly guarded by issuing M16's to the Peachtree City PD. A slight increase in the sales tax should be enough to fund this special project.

Submitted by NeedtoKnow on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 3:47pm.

I'm all for it! Eye-wink But as for the fence around PTC... are you sure it is to protect the Bubble from everyone else, or to protect everyone else from the Bubbleheads?

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 9:05am.

I'm not sure this will work. Allow me to explain.

My neighbor had a really stupid dog that was always running off and getting into trouble. So, with much difficulty, the neighbor installed an invisible fence and fitted the dog with a shock collar.

Now the theory behind the invisible fence is something akin to behaviorism: stimulus and response. The animal is supposed to associate proximity to certain locations with pain. If the thing really works, then, after a time, you should be able to remove the collar and turn off the fence. He will never venture near the dreaded line.

But this presupposes a minimal degree of intelligence. That is, it is up to the animal to make the association between the pain experience and the location. That is, he must be able to perceive a certain pattern. If he is incapable of this, then all bets are off.

This dog was thus incapable. I watched him. He would run for the boundary, feel the shock and let out a yelp, and just keep going.

I suspect that, in his doggie mind, his thoughts were, "HEY! OW! I keep getting shocked! Why does that keep happening to me?!" As far as he was concerned, it was a random, painful event unassociated with anything else. (Like Woody on Cheers, who failed to associate his splitting headache with the fact that he had repeatedly hit his head on the bar.)

My point: The people that you would be trying to prevent--carjackers, robbers, etc.--might be similarly unequipped to make the required association. The fence may simply serve to weed out people of average intelligence and greater, allowing full access to the lesser lights.

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Submitted by simpleton on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 9:36pm.

I propose, then, that we take our security measures in phases.

Phase One: We build a real, concrete, extremely tall fence around the perimeter of Fayette County. (Although Fayetteville itself is, I'm afraid, a lost cause at this point.) I would recommend that we paint it sky blue and add a fluffy cloud here and there, not unlike Truman Show, just so that we feel even more secure in our bubble and don't even have to see the outside filth the rest of the world has become, should we venture too close to the wall.

Phase Two: We install the invisible, electric fence and hand out the mandatory shock collars to non-Fayette County residents.

Phase Three: If what you say is true and Pavlovian experiments only work on beings of a certain level of intelligence, leaving us in danger of only the dumbest criminal elements climbing over our sky blue walls, then I suggest we construct a Ghost Town just on the other side. Criminals lacking the mental capacity to detect patterns such as "Big Hurt When Climb Wall" will probably be easy enough to fool. I recommend using cardboard and Crayolas, to save on expenses (I suspect we won't have enough left after building the wall and shock collars anyway) and writing things on them like "Bank is klozed" and "Peech chree sitty moovd 2 Kannada". Or we could just go all out Blazing Saddles.

Phase Four: As for the remaining residents already within our walls who don't have the mental capacity to detect a joke when they read one, we will have them banished and fitted with shock collars as well.

Submitted by boo boo on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 6:00am.

All we need is a little technology. We have Camera's, they could be put everywhere in the County. They are so small these days no one would even know they are around. London has Camera's everywhere. These camera's could be monitored from police cars or at police station's. Or by business owners, themselves, from miles away. If they see someone or something out of the ordinary they could call the police.
This is probably the future for all of us...for our safety, sad but true..

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Submitted by simpleton on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 10:37am.

Cameras can be a good thing. I was once involved in a situation where a severely drunk man insisted that my family and I had hit him when we certainly did not. A camera on the street where we stood saved us from being hauled in for questioning.
They can also be an infringement on our rights to privacy.
Cameras set up by the city are really only effective anyway in areas that have a walkable downtown, of which there are none to speak of in Fayette County. However it would behoove the businesses of the county to set them up around their buildings. And even personal residences could possibly benefit from them as well.
And if it were even remotely feasible I should like to see them put up all along the golf cart paths, which is PTC's weakest link anyway.
It seems the only real solution to the problem is to not tolerate it and to fight back. Instead, it seems as though the citizens of Fayette County are divided equally into two asinine groups. Group one suggests that we all flee to the safety (safety? Really?) of Coweta county and wait for the inevitable crime wave to drown us down there. Group two prefers to cower in their homes and offices, glued to the internet and shouting pointless and ineffective statements about race.

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 12:14pm.

You forgot about group three, which consists of people who are busily arming themselves to the teeth even as we speak.

Your camera story is uncannily similar to an experience that I had in Oxford, UK a few years ago. I was walking at night with my wife and daughter, and we passed a guy who was clearly very intoxicated. He was standing, but bending this way and that, like a scrub pine in a hurricane. We rounded the corner when we heard a sickening "SPLAT"--the sound of a head hitting pavement, likely with more damage to the former than the latter. We ran back around and, sure enough, he had gone over backwards and smacked the back of his head. He kept saying "Somebody hit me!" We stayed with him while someone called the police. A cycle cop came zooming up a few minutes later, and made it clear that he had WATCHED THE GUY FALL on CCTV. Incredible.

The more people realize how pervasive the cameras are, the less apt they will be to commit crimes.

It should also cut down on public nosepicking.

Submitted by Homplate201 on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 12:00am.

For the Blogger who is angered of the term "black" being used in this news publication, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. I am not at a a racist but when is the last time you heard of a white person robbing anything at gunpoint.... I can't remember that ever happening anywhere close to PTC. With that said you do not have any other publications to compare the criminal descriptions where a Robbery suspect is white. Lets just review the past week in PTC..... About a week ago a gang of black gentlemen killed a white man in a westpark bar and now two African Americans ROB AT GUNPOINT the Ruby tuesdays. You can draw your own conclusions and please tell me why the African American jail population greatly outweighs the Population of Whites, when the ratio of white to black population in America is roughly around 6 to 1. Please expalin now how the Citizen News is in the wrong for simply describing the Criminals.

Submitted by Punisher16 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 10:39pm.

Watch the nightly news. Read the history of Haiti or South Africa. The mentioning of God in a conversation such as this serves the key point of derailing serious inquiry into the core of the problem: minorities have failed to assimilate to traditional American society. Watch ABC/NBC/CBS/or FOXnews in Atlanta.

Now, all you people who fled the problems of Atlanta to raise families in the enclave known as Peachtree City are at the mercy of our egalitarian society, which lobs up the idiotic notion that we are "all created equal".

The truth about race and its correlation to crime is simple to those willing to be honest about the situation.

To those willing to continue to deny the reality of race and the crime wave Peachtree City is undergoing, well, I just hope your not at the restaurant, grocery store or gas station the next time a minority criminal decides to prey upon the stupidity of our town.

I love Peachtree City, having grown up there before moving on to college and life in Buckhead, but watching as PTC is torn apart by a rash of non-white crime, and the same people who fled minority crime now ignoring it when it comes to there own front door is a sign that honest discussion - rational discourse - of our nations most pressing problem, will never occur.

Praying for a color blind society is a fools dream. These black thugs seek out a white city to rob, and the same fate of Riverdale, Jonesboro and now Fayetteville, is exactly what PTC citizens can expect.

I applaud the heroic efforts of PTCavenger and others on this website to try and bring out truth in a climate of intolerance, and utter hostility to any ideas that don't mesh with the current PC culture that grips this nation - and PTC - in a vice.

Cal Beverly and The Citizen should be applauded too.

Question should be now: When does the next non-white crime in PTC transpire?

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 8:21am.

Now, all you people who fled the problems of Atlanta to raise families in the enclave known as Peachtree City are at the mercy of our egalitarian society, which lobs up the idiotic notion that we are "all created equal".

Ah, but you misunderstand that "idiotic notion." Clearly, it is not to suggest that all people are of equal intelligence, ability or virtue. The stupidity and viciousness of your post serves as a sufficient counterexample there.

Rather, it is the idea that the moral worth of a person is unconditional, and thus independent of things like intelligence, ability or virtue. And so it follows that all persons are of equal inherent worth--even robbers and racists. You should rejoice in this.

Submitted by Punisher16 on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 4:56pm.

Bud, that is what the notion of egalitarianism is and means, the equality of all, the superiority or inferiority of none. Yesterday was the anniversary of Bastille Day in France, a horrid revolution that spanned ideas that have taken a hold of our world and nation today. Liberty, equality, fraternity... blah! Much like the great and powerful Oz depicted in your avatar, these ideas are backed by no sound science or empirical evidence, just loud proclamations of "RACIST" and espousing of the "moral worth of a person", or, as you have done, personal attacks.

The word "racist" has no bearing anymore to what is going on, and is used as a smear tactic to try and bring a sense of finality to an argument that is untenable from a liberal perspective.

Race and crime have a major correlation, as Peachtree City citizens are beginning to realize.

Saying things like, "I'm weeping over comments of these insensitive bigots," or "please don't let the perpetrator be black" are inane.

Integration has failed precisely because blacks can't compete in a white society, even with all the programs we have created that have brought our society to the level of mediocrity and placed our future at serious odds when faced the homogeneous-beast that is China.

Young black males who are intellectual ill-equipped to compete in a technological advanced society are going to turn to crime and will prey on the indulgences of society.

It appears it will take dramatic examples to shake people of their apathy.

Perhaps you'll all have to get mugged by an African-American, or an hit by a drunk driving illegal immigrant to realize something is seriously with our society, and our toleration of "regression to the mean".

Politically Correctness (PC) has stifled debated on the important issues of our day, and will continue to have a devastating effect on PTC and all areas that traditional families flee to, in a vain attempt to insulate themselves from crime, pestilence and yes, minorities.

One day though, people will begin to realize there isn't a great and powerful entity, like the one Dorothy and her friends feared in The Emerald City.

Honesty and truth will win out, regardless of what the ends mean, because in a world governed by rules that no amount of liberal do-gooding can eradicate, nature will always win.

And nature is harsh mistress. To deny that black criminality hasn't always been a problem and won't continue to be, is to deny why most citizens of Peachtree City moved here in the first place.

Submitted by TheTruthTeller on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 10:11pm.

When the news is written it will put emphase on the person being Black. They will not write when someone is White. One of the last murders in the county were two white people. April Ulrich and the man who killed his business partner. The black guy who is in jail now for killing the white guy at the bar was an accident. Who expects to have a physical fight with someone and kill them? You expect to hurt them but that is it. The young boys who were stealing the copper were all white but it wasn't stated in the story. If it was black boys that were caught stealing the copper they would have said 5 black youths. The boys blowing up the mailboxes where also white and they lived in the county.
We as a nation will get no where if all we argue about is race. The lady who said her daughter was raised to treat everyone nice and since then have learned that Blacks are no good and she and her mother feel that way. Well, Ma'am. My raise me to treat everyone the way I want to be treated. She didn't raise me to look at color but to look at the person. I have been treated badly by people and sometimes it was a lot of people of the same race but I don't turn against that race. It was those group of people not the entire race. I get along with all people. My mother is one race while my father is another. It is sad that people commit crimes and that is why our police department is here. No matter where you live there will be crime. There is no state, city, county or country that is without crime or criminals. We must unite in this county no matter what color we are to protect our county from being over run with criminals not blacks. We all want to live in a place that has a low crime rate because there will never be a place without it. We all moved to Fayette County for a reason. To give our kids a great place to live and great schools. Please lets not keep bringing race into this. I want those guys caught and justice brought to them. Not because they are black but because they committed a crime and if you can do the crime then do the time. I don't care what color they are. A criminal is just that a criminal.

Submitted by Jackets316 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 10:41pm.

I dunno. I just figured that since these two guys who committed a felony are on the loose the police would like people to find them. Generally, an accurate description helps in that. I mean, sure. We COULD keep our suspect descriptions politically correct, but I figure that a fact that can so quickly narrow down the population by more than half might be helpful in finding these thugs. Just saying...

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 6:43pm.

The title says it all. You don't see white people, or Asians, or even Indians, Arabs, and others for that matter, robbing businesses at gunpoint, or shoving unsuspecting people in the trunks of their cars, or murdering bar patrons, and so on. Enough is enough. Wake up people before it's too late.

There is an important distinction to be made here. Obviously it would be foolish to characterize all black people as criminal. We know that's not the case. However, when the people who are coming here to commit these crimes are almost always black, it is not erroneous or racist to claim that minorities, or more specifically a certain unsavory element found in the black population, are destroying this county and our way of life. To say otherwise is "having your head in the sand," to quote the sentiment of one blogger.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 2:02am.

and you do not have your head in the sand, a couple of questions:

What should citizens of Fayette County do with this information? What do you suggest is an appropriate use of these racial stats? Do you have any solutions, or is this more of an exercise in demographics?

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 4:50am.

Racial statistics actually. With those stats you can safely say that not all young black men (kids actually) are criminals, but a very high percentage of recent criminals participating in armed robbery are indeed young black men. Same deal as muslims and terrorists, but I digress.

Th answer is racial profiling. When a young black male enters Fayette County, we follow him or put a locater device on him. If he is doing nothing wrong and is not planning to rob anyone, he has nothing to worry about. When someone complains about this they should be given a mandatory 3-hour class on the statistical probability that the next armed robbery will be conducted by a young black male. If they still object, they will need to write an essay or even a blog that disputes the statistical probability and cites which part of the Constitution covers this situation - from either side's point of view.

This is probably a good project for the new sheriff. Randall is too much of a southern gentleman to consider this, but the new guy might buy into it. Possibly there would be some PR problems, but if you plan properly and work those out ahead of time there should be widespread acceptance.

What's wrong with that Kevin?

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Submitted by Christian on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 6:36pm.

Hey, Cal, want to reconsider the following statement you made in endorsing Defense Lawyer/DA Trainee Ballard: "I am troubled by some of Ballard’s prosecutorial and sentencing decisions. But I also am troubled by his opponent’s take-no-prisoners, bury-them-all-under-the-jail attitude."

Now we have our Ruby Tuesday being robbed at gun point on a Sunday night. I'll settle for Rudjard Hayes and his "take-no-prisoners, bury-them-all-under-the-jail" attitude any day of the week. BTW, you owe Mr. Hayes an apology for this slanderous misrepresentation of his professionalism.

Cal, do you realize how quickly this town could collapse? In the proverbial blink of an eye, that's how fast. You have been here far too long, Cal, and you haven't experienced what I have. Real estate values are already collapsing, and violent gangsters robbing at will can only hasten our demise. Sometimes it takes an outsider to see things more clearly.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 10:04am.

I'm in no MOOD to leave Peachtree City and Fayette.

I've always said, that Fayette's BIGGEST problem is the LONG border shared with Clayton County.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 7:51pm.

You are right this town will collapse faster than riverdale did.

All of the same things that happened to clayton are happening now, here. The same threats from the naacp(Negative Angry Always Complainging People) and the same violent crime from some of the black people.

If we fail to learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. We already gave these people one county and look at what they have done with it. Why should we give them another county?

Maybe an ordinance like the one the city of Kennesaw has would help us fight off the freelunch-o-crats.

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 9:46am.

"If we fail to learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. We already gave these people one county and look at what they have done with it. Why should we give them another county?"

Gee, I didn't know you were such a magnanimously huge land owner that you could bestow tracts to all the great unwashed! Get over yourself.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 7:29pm.

Now we have our Ruby Tuesday being robbed at gun point on a Sunday night. I'll settle for Rudjard Hayes and his "take-no-prisoners, bury-them-all-under-the-jail" attitude any day of the week.

Strong law enforcement and tough criminal sentencing don't mean a thing without a DA that has the fortitude and determination to hold the bad guys accountable. We've had four mediocre soft years of prosecutorial history via our current self admitted sophist DA Mr. Ballard. Let's utilize Scotty where his heart and history lies.... as a criminal defense attorney.

And I promise this. If I ever decide to rape, pillage, rob, murder or molest any of the innocent souls of Fayette County, I will be the first in line to throw him my business. Smiling


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


Submitted by Jackets316 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 10:46pm.

As soon as I'm 21..

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Submitted by LivedHereForever on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 6:30pm.

I always carry. You should too.

Submitted by ptcmom47 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:26pm.

How can you compare what happened at Ruby Tuesdays to Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, etc. Yes they are spoiled and wild but they haven't held a gun to anyones head and demanded money. The thugs that robbed Ruby Tuesdays are just that "thugs"...and I am sorry to say, that the majority of the crime here in PTC are from blacks and please do not say I am prejudice, I am a minority myself. I am just stating the facts. I hope that the thugs are caught and punished to the FULLEST!

Submitted by loveptc on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:35pm.

You tell him! Most of the black crime is coming from out of county. The majority of violent crime is from blacks, and you see that in the reporting. It dosen't matter either way, crime is crime. Some are worse than others!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 2:21pm.

caught soon and the DA prosecutes them to the maximum.
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Submitted by southern tinkerbelle on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:44pm.

What is wrong with you people??? It's not about "black", "white", "hispanic" there are good as well as bad in all races. There have been drug busts in PTC, Tyrone, & F'ville that have involved black people and white poeple. These ones regardless of their background or the oppertunities given have made a CHOICE to do bad. We are all men & women in God's eyes that sin daily. It's not important that these we black men, what is important is that the employees were unharmed. My hearts go out to them and their families. As far the "black culture" needing a change. I think we as Americans need an "American" culture makeover. With the exapmle of: Paris Hilton, Brittney Spears, Anna Nichole Smith, Lindsey Lohan, Nichole Richey, and the playboy bunnies this is how we are represented as Americans to the reast of the world & I am embarassed of our actions. Get money, & whore yourself out to reach a status is sad sad sad. We all must be held accountable for our OWN actions and not take on the responsibily of a select few that choose to do wrong. Because at the end of the day we are all men in God's eyes who will judge accordingly.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:23pm.

Is this Sage posting under this name to hide his identity and to harass SouthernBelle even more--sure sounds like Sage's usual ramblings and ravings and he sure has had it in for SouthernBelle. He/she is really getting scary. Somebody needs to check this out. This isn't funny anymore.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:33pm.

I don't think so.
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Submitted by loveptc on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:30pm.

I had the same feeling. Checked, and he / she dosen't show up under who's new.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:29pm.

Thanks for the explanation. I got a little confused as my message was right after the Ruby Tuesday's story. Well it was.
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Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:47pm.

In the US, we have Judges that are prejudiced against Criminals. Robbing folks at gun point is frowned upon in most places. Thank goodness PTC is one of those places.

The names you bring up, exactly who did they rob and threaten to kill? I frankly do not see the comparison.

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:15pm.

I think that they should cut their N$%^T off, like Jesse wants to do to Obama.

Actually, Jesse was upset because Obama started talking too much about requiring young blacks to be responsible. He indicated that Obama needs to put the blame where it belongs, on white America. So maybe this comment doesn't apply. Since these thugs apparently are not responsible for their behavior.

But I still say, cut their NW#@$ off, and you won't get too many more violent crimes like this again.

Submitted by vjcpurple on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 12:03pm.

Are only blacks robbing PTC? Media makes a point to note Black, but not white in most cases. The Media reports mostly negative news. It does not represent the majority of the Black Americans. Majority of Black Americans are hardworking AMERICANS just like everyone else. Everyone steals, kills, etc., but, it is not fair for race to always be mentioned when Blacks are involved. When a Black person commits a crime, the entire Black race is held accountable. Hide your wives and daughters, oh my. White people are forgiven over and over again or it is seen as an individual act. But, one or two miss ups on a Black person, they are condemned for life.

I wonder if the men arrested in the copper thefts were white or black. Race was not mentioned. Robste some of your comments are just. The Black who are taken advantage of Government assistance need to become responsible citizens, just like everyone else. darrlwy, you should also be weary of your own race. What your daughter has witnessed is probably not a good case study.

Vick, etc does not represent all 35 MILLION Black Americans. So I guess all 35 Million Black Americans can't manage their money.

Just as Black Americans are told to get over it. Well, White America get over your paranoia, self-centered, and selfish ways. A complete assimilation is not going to happen. Black culture (how ever you want to define it) is a part of American. It is America. So, go look at your race (white trash, trailer park trash, etc). Your class status. Oh by the way, all Mexican don't steal either.

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 2:37pm.

Law enforcement usually lets suspects go once it becomes clear they are white -- even if said white person is caught red-handed! When the victim is informed they were robbed, raped, beaten, what-you-will by a white person, they usually decline to press any charges.

Everything you've imagined about how easy it is being white is true!

And get this ... not only do we get away with any crime imaginable, but the media, as you suggest, makes a point to note crimes comitted by blacks. You're right about white people being forgiven over and over again, too. It isn't as if the only acceptable stereotyped human manifestation of evil is an old white male. Right?

The only sensible thing you typed was "hide your wives and daughters." Sage advice indeed.

So when I recently saw three black males seemingly voluntarily conforming to visual cues associated with "thug life", namely walking around Lake Peachtree with white T-shirts, baggy pants replete with boxers showing, and pitbulls on chains, was that real or some image created by the media?

Either way, my gut instinct wasn't to expose my wife and daughter to them.

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Submitted by darrylwd on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 9:49pm.

The point is not what skin color a person has, but lifestyle (culture) a person chooses to accept and live within. A MAJORITY of black Americans choose a lifestyle that accepts their men sexually harassing and molesting their women. You often find black America celebrating the denigration of their daughters, sisters, mothers, and aunts. You find this in their music, in their mannerisms, in their talk, but most of all, in their actions.

In addition, when a black individual commits a crime, the entire race IS held accountable... because the black culture glorifies such actions, and often denies responsibility for them. When Bill Cosby, a Black-American, calls out black America, they call him an Uncle Tom, a Cracker wannabee and a sellout to his race. I call him a man of integrity and a great American.

Paranoia? Sorry, no paranoia, just realistic that back America is dragging us all down. Now get that chip off your shoulder and face the facts vjcp... that black America culture is the armpit of American society. Just like anything else, you put garbage into something; you get garbage out of it. Clean up black America culture, and you help clean up America period.

About white America, the difference is that we do not accept the dregs of white America. They do not define our culture as the negative defines yours, again by YOUR choice. We do not condone the actions of the so-called, "white trash"; we offer to help them change. We donate our time and resources to community service actions, through church assistance programs and by loving our neighbors. However, we NEVER condone their actions.

By the way, those arrested for the copper thefts... they were black. Also the "Man arrested in robbery at Village Market" was black. According to police, the arrest warrants included Aggravated Assault, Armed Robbery, Kidnapping, theft of a motor vehicle, and use of a firearm during the commission of a felony.

... DOH !

The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Submitted by peacethroughgod on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 4:01pm.

It is amazing how one who reads vjcpurple's response can immediately feel resentment in their voice. I believe there are good and bad people in America and outside of America that are of different races, whatever they may be. I also believe that everyone is entitled to their say about matters.
The problem with today's society lies with the fact that everyone wants to point their finger at someone else. They do not want to take responsiblity for their actions, their children's actions, or their neighbor's actions. We as people need to get back to what America is about and what we need to do to make it a better place for our children to be raised.
Let's face it, we do not have any good presidential candidates who are going to lead us in the right direction nor is the House who are full of Democrats, going to lead us in the right direction. We need to start with ourselves and by your attacking white people, I don't think that is where we need to begin. It's an amazing thing to see children who are friends with other races and not see the race, but the person inside.
As far as the news, I see white people who are accused of raping, stealing, and killing on the news each day and I also see black people who are accused of robbing, killing, and raping on the news each day. The problem lies with the facts and the facts are that there are more blacks statisically who commit crimes. If you go to any jail, you will see this immediately. Black children, not all, but many are raised in homes where there is one parent raising the children and the parent is forced to either work a full-time job and leave the children unattended or receive governmental help and resort to other means of income. I think it would be great if the government offered a program for all who are in need of their services to be able to recieve a college education or job training within a 2 year period so that these parents do not feel the burden and tax payers do not feel a burden. These children would far a much better future if this happened. If we come up with solutions to problems, the problems will eventually decrease, but if we continue to point fingers at others, NOTHING will happen to better our society.
America is not what it used to be and God is becoming more and more angry with those who are not choosing the right path as a christian. When the world comes to an end and you are left to choose, is it really going to matter what any race did on earth or is it going to matter what you did?

Submitted by justathought40 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 8:58pm.

I agree totally with you, peace. Where do you pastor? I would love to attend your church on Sunday!

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:40pm.

Exactly what?

They are fugitives, and a FULL description is needed to help with capture.

I happen to frequent this area of PTC, and I appreciate the FULL description of the CRIMINALS.

TOO bad one of the workers at Ruby Tuesday wasn't PACKING HEAT.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 6:16pm.

When the white grandmothers with the baseball caps turned backwards start committing crimes, I'm sure that is the description we will be given. Until then if the shoe fits........

It is too bad none of those employees had a carry permit.

I'm glad all of them were left unharmed.

Thanks to PTC police for sending out the e-mail alerts this time.

If the naacp would stop supporting criminals, and start to support people like Bill Cosby and Larry Elder, maybe the stereotype will change. The naacp writes letters to threaten our community and then they defend criminals instead of condemning crime. Is this group a solution to the problem of race relations in this country?

We have refugees who come to this country legally, with basically just the clothes on their back; who within a single generation become not only self-supporting, but successful law abiding citizens.

Then we have people who have been taught that the whole world owes them free lunch. I hope these thugs are caught soon.

Submitted by Eliza on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:15pm.

When the copper thieves were CAUGHT, there was no need to give a physical description of them.

As of the time the story was posted here, the ARMED ROBBERS who robbed Ruby Tuesday HAVE NOT BEEN CAUGHT. Don't you think it is important to give as complete a description as possible so that they may be apprehended?

I have not noticed that once a criminal is apprehended, the paper mentions their race - although they may post a picture, which I think is fine.

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Tue, 07/15/2008 - 10:29am.

Robberies are done TO people. The perps are face to face and thusly, descriptions can be given. Burglaries are more often than not crimes of opportunity and devoid of witnesses. I have no problem with descriptions being given if it helps catch criminals, especially ones brazen enough to threaten bodily harm. My concern is the broad brush being used by some posters. If they pass a Black person, are their first thoughts, "Gee, I wonder what crime(s) he's committed?!". To just spout that communities would be better off without one particular minority is very disturbing.

Submitted by justathought40 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 1:24pm.

Good call, Eliza. If vjcpurple wants to help instead of gripe and complain, a full description is needed. What are the intentions of the complainer? Probably to cause problems - the thieves have caused the problem, now we can be of assistance. Unless one would rather complain about race all day. Come on, "purple"... quit looking at race and become part of society - don't gripe and complain, just be a part of the community. The community is waiting - are you ready?

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Submitted by MajorMike on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:20am.

What, no "hoodie"?

Submitted by robste on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:02am.

It looks as though the riff-raff from elsewhere have spread their tentacles to PTC, too. It's becoming more common place in a county that has always been known as one to stay away from for those who want to start trouble. And why is it that it's almost always black males involved, whether here or in the killing at the Red Room in PTC, or the robbery at Dunkin Donuts, or the kidnapping of the vendor in Fayetteville? Has their culture deteriorated to the point where they feel they have no choice but to be violent or disruptive in order to survive? Is being a criminal now becoming an attractive thing, a resume enhancement as it were, or is it all they know?

The Great Society and other big government "solutions" have destroyed the black family. If people like Bill Cosby speak out about its deterioration, he is in essence told to shove it, when he in fact is speaking the truth. The black culture in America has become pockmarked by welfare, affirmative action, an entitlement mentality, and an irrational devotion to a political party that has only served to undermine them - the Democrats. All of this is not just hurting blacks themselves, but everyone around them. Yet to mention this in some circles is considered "racist." Telling the truth has now become an offense.

I'd love to see all Americans thriving and striving and growing. Yet we see politicians trotted out as the next "new and fresh" thing, only to be revealed as just another corrupt, morally bankrupt politician. Blacks have to stop looking to the government for all their answers. They should start looking to their Creator, and to themselves, and begin to unlock the unlimited potential they have within.

Because that potential isn't going to come from a government handout, or a program that in the end enables the very sort of thing we saw in PTC last night.

Submitted by Margot on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 12:01pm.

Our 535 representatives have literally stumbled their way into the solution for America. They have spent so much money that the dollar is going to collapse and the treasury will bankrupt. The dollar of course is backed only by the “full faith and credit of the US government”. Not by gold because Pres. Nixon removed the backing in 1971. Up until that time Congress had a limit on how much they could spend. Since 1971 Congress has gone wild.

Whoever thought that 535 idiots, fools and incompetents could come together in one room and make an important intelligent decision. Look at all the social programs and welfare they’re spent billions and trillions on to no avail.

There are 35 million Blacks in the US. The Congress could have given every Black $ One Million each and let them solve their own problems. They’d all be millionaires and set for life. No more griping about SAT scores, discrimination in the work place, voting rights, hunger, homelessness, mean old mortgage companies forcing them into sub-prime loans, blah, blah, blah. They wouldn’t even have to rob and steal. Of course they would have to try to be responsible enough not to blow the money like Vick & Evander. But look how much money the gang of 535 could have saved.

But now they’ve solved the problems. With bankruptcy the governments will have no more money to pay troops to force Whites in submission. Soon each race can go their own way, with their own armies and use their own taxes to rebuild their own separate nation.

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Submitted by darrylwd on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:35am.

You nailed it robste.

My eldest daughter, whom I've taught to love her neighbor, never to judge a person by the color of their skin, nor their religion or ethnic background, but only by the content of their character, has learned on her own that there is a significant problem with black American culture.

She is 19 now and has witnessed on her own, learning from the black culture itself of how destructive they are to everyone's way of living, not just themselves. Many WILL call her, and MYSELF, a racist, however, we are NOT racist, but we do consider ourselves to be culturalist. It's easy to recognize whether one culture is better than another, and in this case, the black culture needs to be overhauled dramatically.

Man... CHANGE DOES have to happen.

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Submitted by curmudgeon on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 2:11pm.

From New Century Foundation

Crime Rates

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-
five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are

Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.


Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39

Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 2:38pm.

Curmudgeon, if you're trying to prove a point, you might want to use something other than a white supremacist website like New Century Foundation. It makes you look, well, ignorant.

"The New Century Foundation, founded November 1990 and based in Oakton, Virginia, is a self-styled think tank that publishes a monthly journal and a Web site called American Renaissance. Also hosts biannual conferences. The Foundation promotes pseudoscientific and questionably researched and argued studies to validate the superiority of whites."


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