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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 6:10pm.

This news article is in The Citizen: LINK


Submitted by McGerkin88 on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 8:26pm.

I thought this was worth reporting, I didn't see the article you linked. Thanks. I am surprised no one has commented on this self appointed vigilante. Having copper wiring stolen isn't worth felony man slaughter. Sympathies to the victims of this irresponsible jack ass. Armed and dangerous.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 8:38pm.

about the lack of responses to this article. This is a fine example of the need for real gun control: not with the laws, but of the attitudes towards violence, because it was the self-righteous attitude that killed the man.


Submitted by McGerkin88 on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 8:46pm.

protecting my family on my property. But, this guy was ready to shoot and kill. And he did, just killed an innocent young working man. Illegal, I don't care. This was wrong.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 8:58pm.

This builder was asking for it when he hired illegals. I'm sure they were stealing from him, but he could have just called 911. He could have hired an off-duty cop to stay there. It probably would have only taken one or 2 nights and they would have been caught.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:00am.

"I'm sure they were stealing from him..."

Then you must know more to the story than what was on the news.

Or, it's just the way your brain functions and you believe those drywallers were stealing from him because:

1) they're illegal immigrants and illegals always steal

2) they're hispanic and hispanics always steal from their employers

3) all of the above


Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:12am.

I didn't know illegals were that dumb!
Steal copper, then get back into your truck and go to sleep. WOW, how dumb can you be?
If they had a work permit, it doesn't matter---they are taking somebody's job if they are brown and look Mexican or South American.
Also if they sleep in their truck and eat canned sausage, they have to be just peons!

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:18am.

"if they sleep in their truck and eat canned sausage, they have to be just peons!

And according to some people, like skyspy, they should be shot on sight.


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 12:33pm.

Where did I ever say they should be shot??

I was very clear that the builder should have had an off-duty cop wait for them and arrest them. Then send them back to their own country.

You really are the most venomous slandering shrew I have had the misfortune of meeting in awhile. Good Job. At least you are good at something.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 11:23pm.

You have friggin lost it on these blogs. Your real personality and your on-line persona are so different, but I think Skyspy has taken over.

1. Don't hire illegals?

Question: What is the legal/citizenship status of the victims?

Do they have work visas? Were they born here? Do you even know? In context with respect to one human shooting another with a 12 gauge, is that even THE issue?

2. You are sure they were stealing????? SKYSPY!! HELLO!!! They were the DRY WALLERS! THEY WORKED FOR THE BUILDER! They were the drywall subcontracted labor, Skyspy!!! And, sorry, but even if they were stealing copper (which they apparently WERE NOT), I would not raise that to capitol offense status.

Let me direct you, Skyspy, to what I feel is the real issue here. I may be wrong, but most of us know a Texas man was not charged with a crime stemming from him fatally shooting two burglars. He shot and killed two men who were stealing property from a neighbor who was not home. This set a precedent for all the mouth breathers with guns in our country to put on their sheriff's hats and defend property (AKA stuff) with lethal force. The Texas case has given those lacking the ability to cognitively weigh actions with consequences the impression they will not get in trouble if they kill someone stealing stuff.

These dry wallers, regardless of their legal status, are victims. The family of the deceased are all victims; victims of reckless, clueless arrogance. And you say hiring illegals was the problem? No, Skyspy; being so dumb that you would ask a law enforcement officer if you could kill someone in a given situation, being told no, and then killing someone in that "perceived" situation is the problem. And there you are, with your "blame immigration" pom poms cheering him on.

Wow!

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 4:54am.

According to the news reports they were not here on a work visa unless some have been found since the initial report.

Yes, I still think hiring illegals is a huge, huge problem in this country. They are here illegally and are stealing from taxpayers.

It was 9pm on a Friday night. I doubt seriously that they were there to work. You and I work those hours. People in construction do not.
They had taken copper from other homes they worked on for him.

As I said he should have handled it another way. He could have easily hired an off-duty cop to stay there one or 2 nights and let the cop arrest them.

You can keep up your angry self-righteous tirades if it makes you feel better. Does it make you feel more democratic when you cheer on illegals?

I think you have been working to hard, get back in the ring. Next time you are in town it sounds like you need one of my long island iced teas, stop being a stranger. Take care. Have a good day.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 9:53pm.

"Yes, I still think hiring illegals is a huge, huge problem in this country. They are here illegally and are stealing from taxpayers."

I also think illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with. THIS, however, is a story about murder; not immigration.

"You can keep up your angry self-righteous tirades if it makes you feel better. Does it make you feel more democratic when you cheer on illegals?"

Skyspy, if someone shot you while you laid on the ground in a non-threatening manner, I'd be mad as heck; it wouldn't be self righteous anger, just plain old regular anger. That is why I'm scratching my head wondering why you are twisting a story about murder into an immigration issue. Please correct anything I type that is not factual:

The last story The Citizen printed about arrests on copper theft dealt with perps who were good ole Americans. That would lead one to believe that not hiring illegal aliens would not make a business owner immune from copper theft.

Accountability use to be a conservative principle. If a man has a gun, asks about using it on thieves, is told "no", loads it, takes it to a job site, points it at an unarmed man, polks the man with it, and then pulls the trigger:

A) Who is responsible?
B) Is the dead person's legal status the main issue?
C) Who is accountable for the taking of life?
D) Why would anyone say, "Don't hire illegals" as if to suggest this would solve the problems of copper theft or shooting unarmed people lying on the ground?

Can you not see my point here? If not ses le vis, but I hope no one shoots me as I travel because I don't speak their language. You've been abroad, what do you think of the language barrier excuse for shooting someone lying on their stomach?

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:01pm.

I'm not "twisting" anything.

I said he should have handled it another way. I would have hired an off-duty cop.

They would have been arrested and sent back to their own country if they were not here legally.

Unless your life is truly threatened it is NEVER ok to use deadly force. I have said that many times. I'll keep repeating it, if it will help the message sink in for you.

Have a good night.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:30pm.

"They would have been arrested and sent back to their own country if they were not here legally." You were referring to whom? The accosted Latino’s hired by the contractor or were you assuming that illegal’s were stealing the copper wiring?

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:35pm.

at least you are in what should be a very familiar place for you.

Have a safe Fayette County night.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:50pm.

at least those firecrackers are put away for next year.

My security alarm is set.

Good night!

Submitted by jackyldo on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 3:01pm.

American's out of work.
In 1992 the meat cutter's in the Midwest made $19.00 per hour now the prevailing wage is $9.50 per hour, and we here 2-3-4 times per year about tainted beef and e colli.

The largest dry wall union in Atlanta was African American in 1994 in 2004 it was 95 % Latino.

American's who are not working can't buy cars, appliances and more than basic subsistence foods.

We are seeing it daily, while Corporation's are turning bigger profits individuals are suffering more and more.

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