PTC approves shopping center 3-2

Fri, 06/20/2008 - 11:53am
By: John Munford

With an improved buffer along its border with the Cardiff Park subdivision and an easement for potential access to Planterra Way, the Peachtree City Council approved a special use permit for a 175,000 square foot shopping center off Ga. Highway 54 West Thursday night.

The permit was necessary because the size of the center exceeds the city's size guidelines by 25,000 square feet. The vote was split with Councilmen Don Haddix and Doug Sturbaum against. Council members Cyndi Plunkett and Steve Boone voted for granting the permit along with Mayor Harold Logsdon.

There is some question as to whether the Department of Transportation will allow a traffic light to be erected to serve the property at the current intersection of Line Creek Drive. Though representatives for Capital City Development said they've been told by DOT officials there was no problem with the new light, Councilman Don Haddix said a city resident forwarded him an email from DOT that indicates the light wouldn't meet the 1,000 foot distance guideline because of its proximity to the two existing lights on either side: at Planterra Way and MacDuff Parkway.

Because the light is listed as a condition in the authorizing documents for the special use permit, if the light isn't allowed the special use permit will be void. That also means that CCD would be allowed to develop the shopping center under the regulations for general commercial zoning, it's current designation.

The shopping center will feature a 45,000 square foot grocery store directly off the highway, located at Hwy. 54 and Planterra Way. The development's buffer along the south against Cardiff Park has been improved by removing 20 feet of planned parking, which will allow for additional landscaping.

That buffer will also include an eight-foot berm with an eight-foot fence on top to screen the buildings from view of the Cardiff Park residents.

Concerns over the buffer along the highway were allayed with schematics for an outdoor plaza with a seating area that features a trellis, tiered planting walls and additional landscaping.

Capital City Development has also agreed to add landscaping to the entrance to Planterra Way.
CCD will also provide the city with up to $200,000 in cash to install landscaping in the median of Hwy. 54 between the development and the city limits. That offer came after a citizen's request at a recent council meeting where the shopping center was being discussed. The money will be due prior to the issuance of the first certificate of occupancy for any building on the site.

That's on top of the $500,000 CCD has committed to pay the city in cash or via a land swap for acquiring most of Line Creek Drive and all of Line Creek Court. That move has drawn some controversy because without those streets the larger stores would not be possible because of the city's setback regulations.

The $500,000 payment will be due 15 days after the final site plan is approved for the development.

As to the easement for the access to Planterra Way, that's being made in the hopes the city will eventually construct an access drive that would go across Planterra and link up with Huddleston Road. That plan has met some opposition from residents in the Planterra Ridge subdivision, but Councilman Don Haddix has said he thinks the access road would help prevent cut through traffic from heading through Planterra.
CCD's Doug McMurrain declined The Citizen's request to reveal the companies he has lined up for the complex.

The site plan includes two courtyard plazas in-between stores.

Before the vote, Councilwoman Cyndi Plunkett asked if the permit was approved would it force the city to approve other special use permits in the future. He said it did not, unless a future property owner were to prove their property couldn't be developed as currently zoned.
In other words, approving the special use permit for CCD not create a "precedent" type situation, Meeker indicated.

Council also granted a request to allow CCD to pre-clear and grade the site while simultaneously adding the buffering and landscaping for the site. The reason is that CCD is still waiting on approval from the Department of Transportation for a traffic light on Line Creek Drive, and the company wants to go ahead and get started, said CCD Attorney Rick Lindsey.

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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 10:36am.

You people continue to amaze me over this topic.
You just cannot bring yourself to understand that the ground work for this development was laid long before this council ever took office.
I too hate to see the growth in the city. Although I do enjoy the perks and services our city gets due in part to the tax revenue generated by these businesses. Our quality of life in PTC would have to declined years ago if not for commercial investment. The homeowners could have never stood the tax burden needed to maintain the services and city perks at the current level because the costs have skyrocketed over the years.
I do agree with Councilman Haddix that I would rather see more of the existing commercial space occupied before more is built, however, once a property is zoned and sold for retail development (AGAIN, SOMETHING DONE LONG BEFORE THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION) you can't put the genie back in the bottle. The best you can do is try to get the best possible development built. Something I thing this council has done.
You guys seem to think that this council ever had the ability to stop this development. Any attempt to block the builder/developer (who purchased the land legally and has been paying huge mortgage payments) would have resulted in huge lawsuits against the city that, based on other cases around the country, PTC would have no chance of winning.
Thats the problem with Don's moratorium stance. While it sounds good on the surface and will give us all "warm fuzzies" on the inside, it will only lead to long, expensive court fights and after the taxpayers pay everyone's legal fees we will still have the shopping centers.
If you want to continually trash the council, go ahead, it's your right in the "angry" blogosphere but perhaps you should place the blame where it is due; 1, 2 or even 3 administrations ago.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 1:06pm.

THAT OUR ROADS WERE GIVEN (SOLD?)TO THE DEVELOPER SO HE COULD BUILD HIS MEGA BOXES. IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN DONE HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD IN THIS MANNER AND WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES-AND YES, YES, I KNOW THE BULLY THREATENED US WITH A HOOTER'S AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUT IF WE HAD STOOD OUR GROUND WE COULD HAVE COME OUT ON TOP. YOU CAN THANK OUR CURRENT MAYOR AND HIS CRONES FOR THAT ONE. WHY ARE WE NOT GETTING ANY INPUT AS TO WHAT HE IS GOING TO PUT IN THERE? IF IT IS NOT SOMETHING HE KNOWS WE WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH HE WOULD BE ONLY TOO HAPPY TO BE SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS. ANYWAY YOU SUGARCOAT IT THIS MAYOR AND HIS TWO CRONIES DO NOT HAVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF PEACHTREE CITY AT HEART WHEN THEY VOTE.

AND, WE ARE NOT AGAINST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT--JUST RUN-AWAY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL LEAVE US WITH STILL MORE EMPY STORES AND/OR TERRIBLE CONJESTION.

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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:55pm.

But no need to yell in the blog. I hope your keyboard survived that tirade.
You are right, this administration did sell the roads to McMurrain that will allow the development to be built in it's current configuration.
You, and many others seem to think that we should not have made this move and forced a smaller retail center to be built. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. This center will be much nicer than a strip of small stores. The small stores are the ones that are struggling to stay occupied and would have been difficult to fill. A couple of strong anchor stores should help with occupancy.
AGAIN (sorry to yell) let me make it clear that I would have rather have seem this plot remain a grassy knoll but that was not going to happen because the land had already been sold and the zoning was in place. For that matter I would rather see the little church still sitting across the street and no Wal-Mart or Home Depot (although I do frequent these stores). The clock can not be turned back and we must try to make the best of the situation.
I say thank you to the Mayor and council for forcing the developer back to the drawing table several times to redraw plans to make it the best possible.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 10:49pm.

For your concern about my keyboard. Even though I am computer illiterate, I do know that you do not form capital letters by banging on the keyboard, but by using Shift and Caps Lock. So, if you are ever feeling frustrated and feel the need to "yell" or just forget to release the Caps Lock, do not be concerned, it will not damage your keyboard. Again, thanks for your concern.

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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Sun, 06/22/2008 - 5:20pm.

i was just funnin' ya a bit.
i do bang on my keyboard from time to time and you know what? you're right, i get nothing


Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 8:28pm.

--am not that computer literate and did not realize they represented yelling, though I must admit there are times that I do feel like yelling when I see what is happening to our community. I beg to differ that it is only the little shops that fold. Wal-Mart and many other big stores move out of an area and leave empty buildings which end up making an area look blighted. There has to be some progress but there is nothing that says we have to give in to every developer and builder who tries to ram their plans down our throats. Every time an exception is made it becomes the norm as the next developer/builder always uses that as a precedent. Traffic is already terrible in that area and will definitely get worse. And again, we have no idea what this developer is planning to bring in--his reps just keep saying it will be something like the Avenue. Then too, once they got enough Planterra Ridge people to back them they started to back down on what had been promised to them. Most of these developers do not live in our area. They build, rent out the spaces and move on-with no real thought to the people who live in the area--after all their bottom line (profit) is what matters to them--not the destruction of the life style most of us moved to Peachtree City for--I constantly hear that they have the right to build what is best for them and their investment, well, what about the right of us residents to live the life we envisioned when we chose Peachtree City as our community? Do you really think any of these developers/builders would sit still for this to happen in their backyards?

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 10:28pm.

it's good enough for us.

We all know what a wild success riverdale, old national hwy, and greebriar mall are; what with all of the big boxes. They look so charming............NOT!!

Will McBULLY provide all of the gratuitous drug dealers too, or do we have to find our own?? How did that all shake down in the deal? Do we have to actually go to river-crime-dale and recruit our own criminals or will they just show up on their own??

harold all of that moonshine, and corn liquor is clouding your judgment. You should have at least made McBULLY promise to provide the criminals.....tsk, tsk. We give you a job title way above your capabilities and this is how you repay us.

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Submitted by oodlesOpoodles on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 10:13pm.

So I will be able to come home from the west and get home much easier.

I turn into the shopping center at McDuff. It is a right turn, so I miss that light. Cross through the parking lots outer perimeters and mis the "proposed" light at Line Creek. Next, I skip the light at Planterra. Three lights skipped, no hassles thanks to the "access."

So, I can either go to Huddleston (another light missed on 54) or turn onto Planterra Way. To ensure I do not hit potential train issues, Planterra Way it is. Heck the speed limit (actual vs. posted) is similar So cross off Marketplace and 54/74 lights. That is six.

So were heading south, and missing the wonderful intersection of Pascal/Huddleston/Dividend, oh, and the light at Pascal. Seven. Now taking Planterra Way to Terrane Ridge. Cushions not bumps actully allow for smooth flowing traffic. Turn on Kelly. I can either go south on Dividend or head on up to the eighth potentially missed light at Kelly and 74.

For all of you who prefer to keep moving and not sit at eight lights, I tell you, you will probably cut your commute time.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!! Why would you say this would stop cut throughs? Do not grandstand on failures!

Thanks Don!! Great thinking there!


Submitted by batch on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 8:34pm.

Everyone is concerned about Riverdale crime coming here, but we have crooks who do it legally. If the majority of PTC was against the shopping center then we need to find a legal way to override the city council.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 2:03pm.

Should have known that Plunkett voting that one time with the two members who truly care about Peachtree City was a fluke. Once again, she votes with Logson and his other flunky. What do they care what the residents want. What right do they have to sell our land at Line Creek, this belongs to the people of the city and not the council. It should have been voted on by tne residents.

As for Meeker saying these exceptions would not set a precedent,if you believe that I have some wonderful swamp land for sale at a good price. When the next developer comes along and tries to bully us the road is already paved and you can bet the three musketeers will cave in, if they are not already on board.

Has the developer told us yet what stores will be going in---NO! Why should we know-we are only the taxpayers and the ones who will be stuck when the stores close and leave even more empty spaces.

Once again we are shafted. Maybe we shoud get a group of everyday citizens to go to Y Knots and buy the mayor a few drinks-then maybe he will start to see things our way. Or would we have to up the ante? I was expecting this from Logsdon and Boone but was hoping for better from Plunkett. Let's hope there is something of Peachtree City left by the time we can vote these three losers out of office.

Keep trying Mr. Haddix and Mr. Sturbaum, we appreciate you but it seems hopeless as long as "go with the flow" Plunkett is on board.
Let's not have short memories when the next election comes around.

Submitted by blazing2006 on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 1:24pm.

Thanks once again for not listening to, and basically sticking it to,the overwhelming majority of Peachtree City and the people that entrusted you to use good, sound judgment. You have once again been a MAJOR dissapointment. Peachtree City is slowly slipping away thanks to greedy and irresponsible developers and polticians.

Submitted by Arf on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 1:10pm.

Sigh...

Submitted by Insayn on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 12:08pm.

The very first developer that wants a permit to build past the "Big Box Limit", which was set by council in response to people not wanting any more Super Duper Wally Emporium Centers if I remember correctly, gets it. Humm... I wonder if the next one will get it. and the next one and the next...

Way to set the standard. Sounds like members of council have figured out a way to do what they want anyway.

While your at it why don't you go ahead and approve someone to clearcut the entire city, that way it will be easier for PTC to look like Riverdale. Who cares what the people want, right?

Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 3:34pm.

for you? It was approved for 150K square feet already. I think the concessions made for the additional 25K square feet were well worth looking at. Commercial zoning has been in place, that's not the Council's doing.

Not sure what Wally World across the street has to do with this issue either, this Council had nothing to do with that monstrosity.

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