Why gay marriage upsets me

Tue, 06/17/2008 - 3:37pm
By: Letters to the ...

Seldom do I broach the subject of homosexuality or my war experiences in Korea and Vietnam, because war implies death and destruction. Although I loved the military, which has broadened my knowledge, I want to forget the tragedies of war and occasional bad dreams I have.

But one never really forgets war; it is always in the back of one’s mind; I keep the war experience suppressed. And secondly, because of a horrific war encounter that I probably will never forget, of gay lovers who almost cost my life in Vietnam.

But [after] the diabolical, debauched decision rendered by the California Supreme Court that sanctioned same-sex marriage and reading [letters to the editor], the subject of same-sex marriage and society ushered up terrible war flash-back dreams, of debased, lewd behavior engaged in by a couple of homosexual men that created chaos in my compound in Vietnam.

For clarification for those without military exposure in the bush or outback, in a compound or outpost, several men are always on watch or duty, positioned several meters apart to guard their section of the camp or compound with weapons while the remainder sleep or carry out their daily work.

One night in May 1970, I was sound asleep in Vietnam [while] two homosexual men abandoned their guard posts to engage in oral sex. Our compound was almost overrun because these lustful, weak gay men could not control their lust.

We had to fight off the enemy with every weapon we had; I depleted my ammunition and could not fetch more in the dark. Everybody were yelling and screaming because the enemy had cut part of our electrical supply system. I was scared.

After the short battle, we found both men with their pants down, their penises amputated and inserted in their mouths, and their throats had been cut by the Viet Cong.

I worked spasmodically in military prisons (brigs) over 16 years where homosexual activity among men and women is a constant problem for correction staff and counselors. Many hours are devoted defusing gay lover fights, jealousy entanglement, and having to quell other lustful behavior of homosexuals.

In the prison environment I was always on the alert not to compromise my safety [because of] gay men who may have had AIDS when I had to help quell a fight between jealous lovers.

John McCain and I are in agreement and support of traditional marriage between a male and female; any other union or arrangement would be an oxymoron.

Jim Bradford

Master Chief, U. S. Navy (Retired)

Fayetteville, Ga.

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:42pm.

"I worked spasmodically...." I think you mean sporadically. But your word usage is only one area in which your ignorance is glaring and disgusting.
Your bizarre examples have not one iota of relevance to the debate as to whether gay people should be allowed to solemnize their relationships and contract marriage.

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Submitted by ILuvFayette on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:59pm.

—Related forms
spas·mod·i·cal·ly, adverb

—Synonyms 2. occasional, intermittent, periodic, fleeting.
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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 9:06pm.

Not in that context. Synonyms are not definitions. It's all in the word choice. On the other had maybe he had fleeting bursts of energy in which he actually worked. Whatever.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:51pm.

OK, I think I read that last line inaccurately the first time Smiling

Gay marriage has been coming for a while now and I don't see any going back at this point. It's just not that big of an issue to those who aren't gay, though I think the term will be something along the lines of "civil union" and not "marriage."


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 9:09pm.

would certainly be less controversial, and would appease many so-called Christians who deem themselves to be in a position to judge others. I am all for civil unions, for gays and straight people who want a contract. On the other hand, if they WANT to get MARRIED, not just form a union...why not?

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 4:45pm.

Gay or Straight.

I fail to see the big deal with Gays getting married. They have every right to be as miserable as us straight guys.

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Submitted by aliquando on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 7:15pm.

They can marry anyone of the opposite sex they want to, just like the rest of us. Their is no denile of rights.


Submitted by MattG on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 7:54pm.

Using this argument, segregated marriage was ok because black people could marry people of the same color, just like white people could marry white people.

Why do you support segregated marriage?

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 9:15am.

You can't control your skin color. There genes that have been identified that control melanin content. There has been no gene definitively linked to homsexuality.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 9:36am.

When did you decide to be Heterosexual?

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 10:56am.

Heterosexual is what we are all genetically predispositioned to be. That is what the science tells us. From an evolutionary standpoint homosexuality does not make sense since the point is to reproduce. How's that? I guess you thought you were arguing with a Bible thumping Baptist or something!


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 4:20pm.

If we are "predisposed" or not. Seems to me, if you don't have to choose to be hetero, you wouldn't have to choose to be gay.

I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would actually choose to be ridiculed by many by "choosing" to be gay.

Seeing as folks I have talked with about this, the gay ones never mention choosing to be gay. They said it just happened. Kind of like most guys say it just happened, liking girls that is. If everything was about reproducing, why can some not reproduce?

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 6:00pm.

You are hilarious!

In all seriousness they do deserve to be as miserable as the heterosexuals. Misery loves company.

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 9:17am.

Sorry your marriage experience was negative. I have enjoyed 15 years of marriage and so far my wife tells me the same.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 9:35am.

If you think everything on here is dead serious without a hint of sarcasm, you need to examine yourself.

Almost 19 years of great marriage here. Not perfect, not much is.

I still see no problem with Gays being married.

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 10:45am.

When they do reach a union which one is from Venus and which one is from Mars? I have no problems with civil unions. Marriage is an institution of religions. It may seem a technicality, but it really is different. It is like the difference between "common law" marriage and a "real marriage. And yes I agree many heterosexuals have done a lousy job at it but many still make it work. IMHOP


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Submitted by JAFO 72 on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 10:55am.

When they dance, who leads?

"The one constant in all of your failed relationships is you."


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 10:54am.

"Marriage is an institution of religions."

Again I ask, what about the atheists and agnostics that marry? What do you do about them? Are their marriages any less legal, or recognized, than a marriage sanctioned with a "religious" ceremony?


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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 11:02am.

I am arguing the point that the term Marriage is a religious institution not a civil one. Our govt. has used it as such, but that does not change most religions point of view on the subject.I have no problem with civil unions. Let the queers shack up with each other and get the tax benefit. I have a problem calling it and treating it as marriage.


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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 9:52am.

So we can now assume that Mrs. Spyglass reads the blogs!


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 4:18pm.

Just didn't want someone here thinking everything is dead serious.

For that matter, she knows everything in a marriage isn't perfect. Especially her husband. Smiling

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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 4:30pm.

She doesn't like the controversy. For that she picked the wrong guy huh? She compensates by ignoring all this. She's smarter than I am.


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 4:42pm.

Is a beautiful thing. She can even tell her husband that he needs to SHUT UP..it does me good to hear that every now and then.

Submitted by Rence on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 4:16pm.

What does any of this have to do with gay marriage. So two gay men in Vietnam caused problem. And then you dealt with incarcerated men who engaged in gay sex. If one was to judge heterosexuals only by those in prison, one would have a very warped opinion.

You say nothing at all about gay marriage - with your long and distinguished career, one would hope that you would be capable of making a point.

Submitted by MattG on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:38pm.

...you haven't given us a reason why gay marriage upsets you, you provided a list as to why you think gay sex is icky. You simply don't like it and that's fine for you, but the reason I was in the military was to support freedom's. There's no reason to oppose gay marriage, except that you just don't like it. That's not a good enough reason.

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 10:48am.

The problem is that marriage is a religious institution intende to bring male and female together to create a family and raise children. Let the queers have "civil unions". Legally they would have the same rights.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 10:58am.

"Let the queers have "civil unions"

Nice one.

Jesus would be so proud of your terminology.


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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 11:05am.

I did not invent it. I believe there was a TV show on HBO or something that had the word Queers in the title.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 11:38am.

THAT YOUR 'SACASM' MEANS YOU ARE IN 'DENILE'?

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 11:52am.

You need to be more specific about your "witty" reply. Or do you intend to beat aroung the "GWB"?


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 1:16pm.

Don't let em pull your leg!

De Nile (The Nile) is a river in Egypt!

You mean "denial," I think.

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 5:28pm.

It's a joke dude. I get it.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 6:18pm.

SINCE YOU KEEP MAKING AN 'ASP' OF YOURSELF.

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Submitted by aliquando on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 6:40pm.

I fart in your general direction!( and your mother wears combat boots. What is your point oh witty one?


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