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John McCain's "talk" is anything but straight with respect to Iraq

Mon, 06/16/2008 - 1:55pm

By: AF A-10

I can never understand why individuals and groups brand themselves with slogans and nicknames that are the antithesis of what and who they are. Be it "Fair and Balanced" journalism which speaks of Barack Obama's wife as his "baby mama;" the same station which pushed his knuckle tap as a "terrorist fist jab" until footage of GHW Bush doing the same thing emerged. Or, in this case, the anything but "Straight talk express."

John McCain has refreshingly said he doesn't fully understand the economy. Neither do I or must average guys. But hopefully we are all smart enough to know that The Congress, in general, initiates fiscal policies. The president uses the guidance of people with big brains and economics PHDs to help him or her set a fiscal agenda. As a veteran, however, John McCain should understand foreign military policy. John has said as much. He has staked his name on being smart on foreign policy. This is exactly why I am incredibly disappointed when John McCain attempts to mislead the average American voter by stating that a long-term commitment in Iraq would be similar to our commitments in South Korea, Japan, or Germany. Unfortunately, John McCain is giving us a false analogy so that we might be mislead into supporting his view of a beneficial long term basing strategy in Iraq.
When I left active duty in 1999, I had orders to South Korea. My choices were
A) Leave active duty due to the fact that I'd completed my Active Duty obligation
B) Go to Korea for 1 year and leave my family in the states or
C) Take my family to South Korea and stay two years in a sponsored, accompanied tour.

Folks, Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen take their families to Germany. They are having children in Japan, South Korea,Germany, and Italy. Americans travel throughout those countries freely without fear of attack or bodily harm. When do any of us suppose we will see soldiers doing 2 year accompanied tours in Iraq, shopping at the local markets, and buying or renting houses in Iraqi neighborhoods? John McCain is trying to re-sell us the same lemon that we bought in 2003. He thinks that if he puts new paint over the same rusted panels we will be fooled this time.

As if that isn't enough, John has double-talked himself into a corner. He is adamant about not supporting dead lines for withdrawal, yet he made the strangest, most surreal speech in which he set A TIME LINE for when troops would come home during his presidency! I believe it was 2013.

I believe that it is VERY IMPORTANT to consider the effects on military families of long-term bases in and deployments to Iraq. I believe it is crucially important that we ask ourselves how we can keep from breaking the lives of our best, brightest, and bravest.

We have seen this straight talk before. It did not serve us well in 2003. It will not serve us well today.

Kevin Hack King

Obama/McCain poll

Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 8:07pm.

Hey there Hack...

I heard on the local news this evening that a new poll has Obama and McCain tied in Georgia. Plus, Obama is ahead in most of the swing states, like Colorado for example.

And the Republican's still can't get excited about their man McCain. He's floundering and sinking like a stone and not even his new and improved 'back-drop' behind his podium seems to be helping him at this point.

Clueless again Hack

Submitted by other_side_trax on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:41pm.

Hey clueless, the “straight talk express” has been around since the 2000 election. Aptly dubbed because McCain was the ONLY candidate who would take questions from the media 24/7. Try and twist or spin it any way you want, but McCain is not afraid of the media. As a no-show at the townhall, looks like your candidate isn’t comfortable enough to get away from the teleprompter yet.

Prediction: Despite what the poll numbers say right now, this election will not be close. One of the two is going to run away with it. Either the country will be swept away with Obama fever, and then wake up the day after asking, “Oh my God, what did we just do?”, or McCain will win in a landslide because folks just can’t get past Obama’s ultra-liberal voting record and the folks he has chosen to surround himself with. Problem is, if McCain wins, he won’t have any coattails. And a democratically controlled Congress will render him largely ineffective. Until 2010, when this country finally gets fed up with, and sees right thru all of the "bash the Republican President no natter what he does" charade by the media.

Just like the Dems are doing right now with the oil drilling issue. Typical Democrat malevolency-based partisanship in action. God forbid we actually do something now, before the election, that could possibly improve the future of our economy and energy situation. What a selfish, power hungry group of whiners.

As for Iraq, my uninformed hypocritical blogger, you are clueless once again. And your exit strategy (in the post below) is just what I’d expect from a clueless instructor pilot. Negligently uniformed and incredibly naive.

In describing the total cluelessness of you Bush derangement circle jerkers, Ann Coulter put it best this week:

“In a conversation recently, I mentioned as an aside what a great president George Bush has been and my friend was surprised. I was surprised that he was surprised.

I generally don't write columns about the manifestly obvious, but, yes, the man responsible for keeping Americans safe from another terrorist attack on American soil for nearly seven years now will go down in history as one of America's greatest presidents.

Produce one person who believed, on Sept. 12, 2001, that there would not be another attack for seven years, and I'll consider downgrading Bush from "Great" to "Really Good."

Merely taking out Saddam Hussein and his winsome sons Uday and Qusay (Hussein family slogan: "We're the Rape Room People!") constitutes a greater humanitarian accomplishment than anything Bill Clinton ever did -- and I'm including remembering Monica's name on the sixth sexual encounter.

But unlike liberals, who are so anxious to send American troops to Rwanda or Darfur, Republicans oppose deploying U.S. troops for purely humanitarian purposes. We invaded Iraq to protect America.It is unquestionable that Bush has made this country safe by keeping Islamic lunatics pinned down fighting our troops in Iraq. In the past few years, our brave troops have killed more than 20,000 al-Qaida and other Islamic militants in Iraq alone. That's 20,000 terrorists who will never board a plane headed for JFK.

We are, in fact, fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them at, say, the corner of 72nd and Columbus in Manhattan -- the mere mention of which never fails to enrage liberals, which is why you should say it as often as possible.

The Iraq war has been a stunning success. The Iraqi army is "standing up" (as they say), fat Muqtada al-Sadr --the Dr. Phil of Islamofascist radicalism -- has waddled off in retreat to Iran, and Sadr City and Basra are no longer war zones. Our servicemen must be baffled by the constant nay-saying coming from their own country.

The Iraqis have a democracy -- a miracle on the order of flush toilets in that godforsaken region of the world. Despite its newness, Iraq's democracy appears to be no more dysfunctional than one that would condemn a man who has kept the nation safe for seven years while deifying a man who has accomplished absolutely nothing in his entire life except to give speeches about "change."

Monthly casualties in Iraq now come in slightly lower than a weekend with Anna Nicole Smith. According to a CNN report last week, for the entire month of May, there were only 19 troop deaths in Iraq. (Last year, five people on average were shot every day in Chicago.) With Iraqi deaths at an all-time low, Iraq is safer than Detroit -- although the Middle Eastern food is still better in Detroit.

Al-Qaida is virtually destroyed, surprising even the CIA. Two weeks ago, The Washington Post reported: "Less than a year after his agency warned of new threats from a resurgent al-Qaida, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden now portrays the terrorist movement as essentially defeated in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border."

It's almost as if there's been some sort of "surge" going on, as strange as that sounds.

Just this week, The New York Times reported that al-Qaida and other terrorist groups in Southeast Asia have all but disappeared, starved of money and support. The U.S. and Australia have been working closely with the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia, sending them counterterrorism equipment and personnel.

But no one notices when 9/11 doesn't happen. Indeed, if we had somehow stopped the 9/11 attack, we'd all be watching Mohammed Atta being interviewed on MSNBC, explaining his lawsuit against the Bush administration. Maureen Dowd would be writing columns describing Khalid Sheik Mohammed as a "wannabe" terrorist being treated like Genghis Khan by an excitable Bush administration.

Liberals have only blind hatred for Bush -- and for those brute American interrogators who do not supply extra helpings of bearnaise sauce to the little darlings at Guantanamo with sufficient alacrity.

The sheer repetition of lies about Bush is wearing people down. There is not a liberal in this country worthy of kissing Bush's rear end.

Compared to the lickspittles denying and attacking him, Bush is a moral giant -- if that's not damning with faint praise. John McCain should be so lucky as to be running for Bush's third term. Then he might have a chance.”

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While I would not be so bold as to term Iraq a "democracy" as Coulter does above, the rest of her comments are spot on.

And that's the truth. No brag, just fact. Really don't know why I'm wasting my time with you Kevin, because you've proved time and time again that you "can't handle the truth". But what I find really disturbing is your penchant for lies. Remember your previous post wherein you claimed to be 6'3" and 240 lbs???
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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 1:25am.
“ . . . taught me more Jiu jitsu than anyone"
"At 6'3" and 240 LBS, I have become very used to defending my words as well as my body, against men who love me but don't care for my party.”
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I happen to know different, PIPSQUEAK. And the folks that have met you on this blog know its a lie. What kind of a blogger is so completely and miserably insecure, that he touts his jiu jitsu prowess and LIES about his own height and weight in a blog??? Never mind. You and Mike King can go back to your clueless Bush derangement love-fest.

From the other side of the tracks

the oil companies have thousands of leases on public

Submitted by jackyldo on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 4:04pm.

lands that they are not even exploring yet they want more and more.
There is more oil under the badlands and in oil shale in Wyoming and Colorado but it is classified as hard to get and will cost them 50-60 a barrel to get to.

They'd rather pump of the coast in shallow water where the cost is 20-25 a barrel and the profits much bigger.

When we should be spending on solar and wind and alternatives to gasoline automobiles, they want more and more land to pump from to keep the oil boom (neither climate nor ecology friendly) for another 50-75 years. If Exxon is making $36 billion in profits
like they did the last 2 years, and we are giving them subsidies and tax breaks it's time to tax them and invest that in alternatives

You realize who would pay the taxes...

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 4:15pm.

The end consumer. Exxon's profit margin isn't any higher than many business's. It's lower than many for that matter.

I do agree, we need alternatives, but I think just releasing more land for "available drilling" would lower the price. I know I've seen opinions that say just that.

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW About Iraq

Submitted by jackyldo on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 3:56pm.

Was on front page of today's New York Times.
Some 38 years after Saddam nationalized the oil fields of Iraq kicking out BP, Esso, Chevron, Total and Royal Dutch Shell, these companies and now Exxon/Mobil are in the final stages of signing 2 year agreements to reopen and run the Iraqi oil fields. This agreement can be extended after 2 years and all contracts will be awarded no bid without involving other oil companies.

58 bases in Iraq to police the country and protect the oil.

Immediately after taking office Cheney met with energy companies in the white house to plan energy policy. This meeting was so secret they won't even tell you 7 years later who attended.

Hmm we throw out Saddam you get your oil rights back.

Don't trust Bush and Cheney and certainly don't trust BIG OIL !

Army to protect oil companies?

Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/19/2008 - 6:10pm.

58 bases in Iraq to protect the US oil companies, huh?

But the administration said that Iraq was not about oil!

I suggest that the Army also protect the Big Farm owners here to save our food supply from germs!

Firesign Theatre

Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 4:28pm.

Used to have an album titled, “Everything You Know Is Wrong.”

“As a no-show at the townhall, looks like your candidate isn’t comfortable enough to get away from the teleprompter yet.”

Hmmm. Obama has held 21 debates so far as opposed to how many for McCain?

“Just like the Dems are doing right now with the oil drilling issue. Typical Democrat malevolency-based partisanship in action. God forbid we actually do something now, before the election, that could possibly improve the future of our economy and energy situation. What a selfish, power hungry group of whiners.”

Not even close. Actually, there is pending legislation, introduced by the Democrats, which addresses this very issue. Too bad the Republicans won’t be supporting it. I posted about it in reference to Walter Williams silly column:

Oil

“… the man responsible for keeping Americans safe from another terrorist attack on American soil for nearly seven years now will go down in history as one of America's greatest presidents.”

Pretty soon, Bush will catch up with Bill Clinton’s record of keeping America safe for more than seven years. Hopefully, the next President won’t discount intelligence reports with titles like, “Bin Laden determined to strike in the US.”

“It is unquestionable that Bush has made this country safe by keeping Islamic lunatics pinned down fighting our troops in Iraq.”

And:

“We are, in fact, fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them at, say, the corner of 72nd and Columbus in Manhattan…”

The “puppy dog” theory of terrorism raises its head again: they will follow us home.

Actually, according to study after study and the joint assessment of the combined 23 US intelligence agencies:

“A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks. The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee..”

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat

The administration's own National Intelligence Estimate on "Trends in Global Terrorism: implications for the United States," circulated within the government in April 2006 and partially declassified in October, states that "the Iraq War has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists and is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders

In the third Terrorism Index from Foreign Policy magazine, more than 100 of America’s most respected foreign-policy experts see a world that is growing more dangerous, a national security strategy in disrepair, and a war in Iraq that is alarmingly off course:

The Terrorism Index

“Muqtada al-Sadr … has waddled off in retreat to Iran…”

It must be embarrassing to write that when the rest of the world realizes,as reported in this story from the Washington Post:

“… Iraqi officials deployed tens of thousands of security forces across southern Iraq in response to the creation of the new Sadr group. The new secret paramilitary wing, which Sadr called "the special companies," might start launching attacks within the next week, his aides said.”

Powerful Iraqi Cleric Recalibrates Strategy

“With Iraqi deaths at an all-time low, Iraq is safer than Detroit..”

Must have missed the news of the bombing yesterday that killed 61 and injured over 80. It was in all the MSM. Here is a report from the BBC describing the recent bombing by Sadr’s new special companies:

“The US military has blamed a rogue Shia Muslim militia for Tuesday's deadly car bombing in the mainly Shia Hurriya neighbourhood of Baghdad.
The confirmed death has risen to 63, Iraqi police said, making it the worst attack in the capital since March. “

Rogue Iraq militia 'ordered bomb'

As Reuter’s reported:

“The U.S. military said intelligence information showed Tuesday's attack in a predominantly Shi'ite district, the deadliest in the Iraqi capital in more than three months, was carried out by a "special groups cell". That is military jargon for rogue elements of Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's Mehdi Army.”

U.S. blames Shi'ite group for Baghdad bomb

Some 500 Iraqis were killed last month

"CIA Director Michael V. Hayden now portrays the terrorist movement as essentially defeated in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border."

I hope his people clue him in on the Taliban:

"The operation, which comes less than a week after a spectacular jail break freed hundreds of Taliban fighters in Kandahar, aims to clear out Taliban insurgents who have swarmed into the northwestern part of Argandab since Monday, causing villagers to flee and threatening the government's control of the area."

NATO and Afghan forces battle Taliban in strategic district

Oh, incidentally, according to the WSJ, the national press corps has been thrown off the Straight Talk Express. Under the bus with them!

New Route for the Straight Talk Express

JeffC

Submitted by wulfman on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 1:51pm.

Your opinion of Sam Nunn for VP?

Wulf

Wulfman

Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 1:56pm.

I'm pulling for Webb right now. I like the Sam Nunn idea a lot. Most of the family is pulling for him. How about a wild choice like Schwarzkoph or Zinni?

Obama's VP

Submitted by sageadvice on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 4:33pm.

Nunn is a hopeless cause. Can't win GA for Democrats because he isn't one! Too old.

Schwarzkoph----another General! Zinni?

He will go with the CW as to who can pull a couple of states he doesn't have now. Just who doesn't matter.

Won't be a minority, a woman, someone younger, too old, and who is a banker.

JeffC

Submitted by wulfman on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 2:15pm.

My first pick would be Sam Nunn he’s a good man, I’ve voted for him in the past.

If Nunn were to be chosen as Obama’s VP it would be enough to get my vote.

I'm not too keen on Webb or Zinni but Norman would be OK.

Wulf

Nunn Bush Ticket

Submitted by muddle on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 2:28pm.

Too bad Sam Nunn couldn't run for Prez with one of the Bushes (Jeb?) crossing the lines to be his VP. Then we would have the Nunn Bush ticket, which is also a popular line of shoes.

THAT WOULD BE ONE PAIR OF SHOES THAT PINCHED.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:29pm.

That is something I would never want to see happen. It is time we used a bushhog to keep that line out of the White House.

Muddle

Submitted by wulfman on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 2:48pm.

Sam Nunn / Jeb Bush would work for me.

I really like Nunn.

I could live with a McCain Nunn ticket but I don’t see that happening either.

Glad to hear you guys were able to leave the hospital.

No matter how great a hospital is, it’s still a hospital.

There’s nothing like being home.

Wulf

There's No Place Like Home, There;'s No Place Like Home....

Submitted by muddle on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 4:24pm.

As one of the characters pictured in my avatar once said.

Yes. I'm usually a 5 or 5:30 a.m. riser. But the morning after our first night back from the hospital, I stayed in bed until after 9:00. It was a real bed and no one came in at all hours for lab work or vitals.

And, yes again: no matter how good (or, in this case, great) the hospital, the less time you spend there the better. All of the doctors and nurses will tell you that.

Otherside...

Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 2:55pm.

Thank you for associating me with Kevin. I can think of multitudes over my years that I would be less appreciative with which to be associated.

But since you and I have yet to meet or even carry on a conversation (that I can recall) the only one who appears clueless as to my views happens to be you, dear sir.

Brilliant counter point Mike!

Submitted by other_side_trax on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:24pm.

You really got me there! LOL

Your memory is failing you.

Go back to your aviator love fest. Seems to be about all you can handle for the time being.

From the other side of the tracks

Come On Colonel....

Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 5:42pm.

Is that all you have? My memory is fine, so I ask that YOU specify just when I have disparaged the President. It simply is not there.

Even with the requisite "happy hours" that we aviators enjoyed, I'll spar with you anytime on this site. Being the typical soldier you were, you seemed to have lost the art of leadership(should you have ever really possessed it) in that you are refusing to LISTEN to other points of view diagonally opposed to yours.

That said, is your utopia a Nazi-like state whereby crusty old colonels sit around and second guess their subordinates when they can not accomplish what it is they require of others?

Bring it!

MIKE KING . . . on leadership

Submitted by other_side_trax on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 11:47am.

Perhaps lumping you in with the Bush derangement crowd was a bit of a stretch. Admittedly, on this site, you have avoided casting aspersions about our current commander-in-chief. But your vehement agreement with KHK (king of the circle jerkers) on this topic made me assume so. I was in error, and do apologize. My bad.

However, if you call KHK a friend, then you need to raise your standards. I have repeatedly PROVEN on this site that Kevin King has lied and is a complete hypocrite. Further, he openly violated Article 88 of the UCMJ. And Kevin's best retort to date has been to accuse me of a typo. Brilliant. And he claims to have kicked my butt? Only in his dreams.

I prefer to associate with law abiding citizens who demonstrate character and ethical behavior in their words and deeds.

Below, you will find the full text of Kevin's lie about his height and weight. It is not a quote from the person he is talking about. Kevin is clearly talking about himself here. Judge for yourself:
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BPR: I wrote a great response and lost it!

Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 1:25am.
When I hit "preview comments" it just dissappeared! Anyway, I'll shorten it a bit.
I like you.
I like George Bush. I have said that before. I believe he is a great dad and husband. I'd love to barbeque with him and his family. I work with a majority of people who are republicans with guns and strong opinions. The man who has taught me more Jiu jitsu than anyone, 7th degree black belt James "Venom" Gifford, can't stand liberalism; hates it. At 6'3" and 240 LBS, I have become very used to defending my words as well as my body, against men who love me but don't care for my party.
That's how I feel about our Commander in Chief. If he had me write his OPR (performance report), it would not read well at all; but that isn't personal.
Results matter. A pilot, especially, won't give someone the impression they are doing a good job if they are not. The stakes are too high. I pray for our president. I've prayed for you. I have prayed for River, Sniffles, Muddle, Jeff C,and Denise and I feel I owe her a huge, teary-eyed bear hug. I pray for myself daily 'cause I need it. I was in church today (yesterday?) thinking of the words I have exchanged on here over the weekend. I believe in the power of prayer (even for Mainstream types that might not want it).
I also believe in decisions and results. That is why I am critical of our President. I believe these decisions below have been tragic failures:
1) Allowing the Department of Justice to become a political force as opposed to a force of BLIND justice.
2) Believing that a Christian country could take its Army into a Muslim country and solve their political and ethnic problems (that's my main beef with Hillary as well).
3) Hiring incompetent people based on loyalty and not demonstrated performance (Brown at FEMA, Bremmer in Iraq, Myers and Gonzales in their legal counsil, Bolten at the UN, Karl Rove, who used politics to divide America to win elections until it failed in 2006).
4) allowing torture, rendition, and having torture meetings in the White House to go over techniques to use on detained human beings.
I will never forget my President of the United States saying, in 2005, that "A vote for the Democrat party is a vote for the terrorists." Yes, as we fight to bring democracy to Iraq, he dared to compare supporting the other half of American politics to supporting terrorists. I'd definitely bring that up at the barbeque . good night, and hope this answers your question.
Kevin "Hack" King
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In Kevin’s post above, he repeatedly uses the “I” word. In all cases, it is clear he is referring to himself. Now he claims I am distorting his words. Sorry, but the words are all Kevin’s. Clearly he is lying.

On leadership. Leadership is exactly why I challenged Kevin’s inappropriate use of his military trappings in association with his Bush-bashing opinions on this website. His conduct on this site is unprofessional. As a private citizen, Kevin has all the freedom of speech he wants. But he continues to flout his current status as an Air Force Reserve instructor pilot while simultaneously using contemptuous words about the President. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize this is potentially self-destructive behavior. As a recently retired senior officer, when I see a your major doing something really stupid like Kevin is doing, it takes a leader to step in and make a correction. That's what leader's do. And if you were really Kevin's friend, YOU would tell him that too.

But instead, you are providing ENABLING blog support to Kevin's misbehavior. Not too bright on your part, MIKE. As a former military leader, you should know better. Don't pretend to lecture me on leadership. Herein, yours is lacking.

Clearly, you’ve got your own ego issues. Tell me MIKE KING, what kind of a blogger chooses to use all capital letters for their screen name???

From the other side of the tracks

ALL CAPS ( trax)

Submitted by Mike King on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 3:03pm.

Perhaps to determine those "anal" among us.
When you get over yourself, perhaps you'll determine that there is life after the military. Associating one's self with both liberals and conservatives is by no means a character flaw,in fact I'll venture that you may find both within your family.

trax... go away

Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 12:49pm.

Still going after Hack? I thought Cal took out all the garbage - I guess not, since you are still here.

Why is it all of the hate-filled bloggers are Republicans (i.e. you,beaver,bpr,denise) and feel that they have to "go after" someone on this blog?

Get a life, trax.

Looks like some trash was missed

Submitted by goal_keeper on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 6:56pm.

Cal certainly missed putting you in his trash heap. Look over your posts and you'll find rude comments unmatched by the bloggers you (named). You have the gall to post about hate-filled bloggers when you're on the top of the list.

You are the one that stated outright the name of the employer of a blogger here that lost his job. No other blogger did that. I am tired of you making accusations that are not substantiated. You blow smoke with nice posts to this person and make sure you not accused. (You were one of the first to say it's not me.) Talk about a Rat.

Who are you to say someone is hate-filled. Is it just because someone disagrees with your warped opinion?

Sorry goal_keeper...

Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 8:08pm.

but your continued allegiance to bpr is bizarre, to say the least. I don't know what you are trying to insinuate with: "You blow smoke with nice posts to this person and make sure you not accused."

Bpr was the only one on this blog that seemed to hold a grudge against muddle, taunting with her 'innocent' questions about ACC before muddle was outed:

"I was wondering
Submitted by BPR on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 1:18pm.
does ACC have a policy for students and Professors against smoking pot, drinking, making fun of Preachers and Christians, you don't have to go to church, making jokes about other churches, cussing etc.

I don't know why you are even continuing with this anyway? What grudge do YOU have? And against whom?? Unless, you are really bpr or her kin??

Are we going to see another display of tantrums and meltdowns from you now?

Main stream and Trash

Submitted by goal_keeper on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 10:08am.

Main stream - You seem to be the one who has written the most about the subject. Is it a case of sheep in wolves clothing? You had as much to do with it as anyone else. What was mentioned in posts by others were in conversation not "outing" as you did. Some people are immune to the rules. Blowing smoke is a cover up.

Posts:
oldbeachbear
Mon, 05/19/2008 - 12:15pm
"but I'm not from here so I didn't go to college here, what is the full name of ACC?"

mainstream
Mon, 05/19/2008 - 12:21pm
"Atlanta Christian College, in East Point"

I don't know why you continue to degrade not only the bloggers you mentioned but other bloggers as you do. Does it make you feel superior to call them trash or is it a cover up? As long as you continue to make snide remarks about posters on this blog, this will (in your words)continue. What grudge do you have? Why do you continue with it? It's weird to me that you make a comment about someone being "kin" to me and others when the subject matter hits home. In your style (wo is yur spoose on heer?)

goal_keeper and grudges

Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 11:41am.

For several weeks now, the travesty, regarding muddle and his employer, has rarely been discussed here until you and your 'friend' log on and bring it up - why is that? You are the one who seems to have a grudge for some reason.

Is it that you and your 'friend' are bored and looking to stir-the-pot again?

Sorry. I won't play that game.

Main Stream

Submitted by carbonunit52 on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 5:40pm.

I suggest saving your writing talents for responses to postings of value.

Look in the mirror, Main Scream

Submitted by other_side_trax on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 2:54pm.

The only hate filled blogger here is you.

You are the one talkin' trash. "Garbage" and "hate-filled".

Those are your words, not mine. Name call all you want. Seems to be your modus operadi whenever you are on the losing side of an argument.

Kevin has been completely unrepentant about his unprofessional conduct on this site, and until he changes his screen name, goes anonymous, or resigns his commission, I will continue prove to all just exactly how disingenuous he is. And he knows it.

Can't handle the truth, huh, MS?

I'm here to stay. Deal with it.

From the other side of the tracks

other_side-trax concerning Main Stream and others?

Submitted by Candidiawcmit on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 1:50am.

I am new on here and read this post of yours. This is the second post from Main Stream bashing people that don't agree with her. I saw another one where she did it to goal keeper.

I think a little growing up on her part would help. Then when I did a search, man did I see quiet a bit name calling from Main Stream. I did not think we could do that, among other things.

Main Stream accused someone named BPR about telling where someone worked. BPR asked a question in her post about ACC. I don't know what ACC is. As I kept reading BPR wanted to know if if was a safe place to go. I kept reading and it was Main Stream that said what ACC was.
She put the blame on some other people when she is the one that said what it was.

Goal keeper was correct some trash forgot to be put out. It wasn't BPR that said what ACC was it was Main Stream. Weird stuff.

Maybe Main Stream is kin to BPR, there were some other names also she did not speak nice about. Maybe she has it out to get them for some reason.

Is AF A-10 related to Main Stream? I read some of his things, again bashing the same people and nothing is done by the citizen paper? Could you explain that to me?

I replied to you because you seem to know how to talk to someone in a decent manner. I thought you could give me some insight. I find the entire conversation with you and goal keeper from Main a bit disturbing.

Please tell me what AF A-10 is talking about in his post?

I did find Main Stream posts harsh if you didn't agree with her. Is this what goes on with her day to day? The same with AF A-10?

Thank you for your time and understanding, man it's strange.

You are "new on here"?

Submitted by sniffles5 on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 6:32pm.

I don't think so. Sticking out tongue

sniff

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 3:23am.

Good Christians have the authority to lie, you see?
In order to push "the way" it may be necessary to lie, cheat, kill and steal. After all the government does it!

Candid, goal, BPR, and every other name you go by....

Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 12:16pm.

You are quite (not quiet) honestly, truly, thoroughly, and completely DISTURBED. It is very unsettling to see these reincarnations that would make a Hindu proud. Seriously, seek professional help. Really. Seriously. I'm serious here. Go now. Honest; make an appointment.

for real!

Kevin "Hack" King

Hack meet the Radical Right

Submitted by boo boo on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 6:21pm.

BPR, Denise, and the Clones are what took over the Republican Party. I call them the Right Wing Religious Fanatic's. The anti choice group, my way or the highway. These people truly are a Radical Group. If they can do what they did to Muddle, you can see this type can do anything in the name of Religion and think they are in the Right. This is why we should always have Separation of Church and State. I am an Independent and always vote for the person, not the party.

Welcome to the New Bloggers

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 7:30am.

For those of you who are new, just ignore the mean people. We have plenty of nice people here too.

We technically should not call names, however when it comes to crooked politicians, whiney, sorry developers like McBULLY, and criminals I can't help myself.

Some of what you read can be very informative, or thought provoking. Look for posts by muddle, JeffC, and this new carbonunit. I love the environmentalist stuff, this is our mini version of Silent Spring and Song of the Dodo.
Some people add great humor, TonyF, Hutch, Cyclist, and Git Real. Some just add sunshine like Tug and Jane.
Have a good day.

SURE SEEMS TO BE MANY MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES

Submitted by MYTMITE on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 6:18am.

Or at least multiple personas on this site. Is it something in the water? Or reincarnations? Or a way to wiggle back through a rear door? Inquiring minds want to know!

Candidiawcmit:

Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 5:48am.

Your name may be new here but your writing style is not. It is very recognizable and does not appear to have incorporated any new techniques.

carbon and MYTMITE

Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 9:56am.

"Your name may be new here but your writing style is not.

I thought the same thing, as well.

Trax you are so right

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 7:41pm.

Calling someone a "circle jerker" is not remotely hate-filled, and certainly can't be termed "garbage". Obsessively attacking another blogger is also extremely appropriate. I am thinking you should be considered one of the more erudite, pleasant and contributive bloggers around.

Trax: Four questions...

Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 06/27/2008 - 5:25am.

1. What is a "circle jerker?" A "senior officer" and "leader" like you can certainly explain.

2. Why do you bravely stay in the shadows?

3. Do you want a date or what? This is beginning to border on BPR level 1 stalking. I've gotta tell you, though, I'm not into dudes.

4. Why can you not craft an argument better than "this guy Kevin who goes out and meets bloggers wants us to think he's bigger than he is?" My beagle could craft a better argument, and she doesn't even have thumbs!

Oh,and thanks for reprinting what I think of as one of my favorite posts. I bet I have my own file on your HARD drive.

Kevin "Hack" King

MISSING BEAGLE!!!! Wilshire pavillion area Hw 74 and Holly Grove

Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 7:33pm.

and very interesting timing. Today, Sunday 29 March, a gate we do not use in my backyard was openned and my beagle, mentioned above, is missing. I am a bit of a pragmatist, but I trust this is just coincidence and happenstance.
She answers to Daisy and is about 9 years old. Email EVE789@aol.com if you have any info.

Kevin "Hack" King

Beagle

Submitted by zoes on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 9:18pm.

I'm so sorry your Beagle baby got out!! Be certain to check the animal shelter and to post posters in your neighborhood. Does she have a collar tag or microchip?

I almost posted today to tell you that the shelter has a female beagle on its' website for adoption. Can't possibly be yours... but I'd check there every day until she comes home.

Zoe

trax...what is your objective

Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 5:36pm.

You missed my point.

Granted, there is plenty of name calling on here by everyone, however, it is only a few wack-jobs, like yourself/bpr/denise, etc., that actually want to 'take someone down', either get them canned from their job or expose them.

Knock it off, jerk.

G'Day , Mike "Sky" King It's nice to see you using those K-9s

Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 06/22/2008 - 8:02am.

I love seeing carnivores deal with red meat (no matter how cheap that cut of red meat might be in this case.)

I've been on the road heavily, so not much chance to surf, but I, likewise, welcome any and all associations to you and the 95% of bloggers here that can actually fog a mirror. This Othertrax guy seems to have a bit of a man crush going as he went way back to distort an old post where I talked about training with 6'4" 240 pound "Venom" Gifford. But, Mike, please don't spill the beans that I am not 6' 4". Only the many, many people who I have met on these blogs know the truth, and I'd hate for the next group of people I meet to somehow realize that I am the size I am when they are sitting, chatting, and dining with me. I'm tired of kicking trax's butt though. He's like a used up dog toy that sits in the corner of the back yard longing for slobber. I wish he had an LA Boxing membership to dispense some of the frustration though. It'd do his cholesterol and systolic pressure some good.

When my jets cool a bit, I will definitely look forward to doing the "adult" coffee run with you and the gang.

Cheers, brother!

Kevin "Hack" King

ps. I wish I could have hovered Friday. That way I would not have had to divert from Buenos Aires to Montevideo, Uruguay. I didn't even know where Uruguay was until I was on the ground there. And sadly, Montevideo has one less seagull, courtesy of a windscreen traveling at 170 kts.

No distortion, Kevin, these are your words . . .

Submitted by other_side_trax on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 12:04pm.

Here is the complete text of your post wherein you claimed to be 6'3" and 240 pounds.

No distortion, just your own words . . .

*****************************
BPR: I wrote a great response and lost it!

You use "I" repeatedly above. In all cases, it is clear you are talking about yourself. There are no quotation marks. This is not a quote from Mr Gifford. It is YOU, talking about yourself.

How sad.

First you lie. And then you lie again claiming "distortion". Your own words are your worst enemy Kevin. And you claim, "I'm tired of kicking trax's butt though."

In your dreams.

From the other side of the tracks

No Hack, trax is right

Submitted by Locke on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 1:00pm.

Like you I’ve been doing some major traveling and haven’t kept up with the blog but I am pleased to see this major controversy is still unresolved. I’m siding with trax.

At the very best, your writing was ambiguous. It can be interpreted that you were claiming to be 6’3” and 240 lbs instead of you defending yourself against the 6’3”, 240 lb. Gifford. This is a HUGE DEAL as trax rightly points out over and over (and over). If fact, IMHO this ambiguity is AT LEAST on a par big deal wise with MIKE KING using all cap letters in his screen name. In fact, I am in a terrible quandary deciding which of you is the biggest transgressor (again, big deal wise).

Trax claims to be “a recently retired senior officer”. Maybe so, don’t know. Months ago I thought he was a 15 year old blogging from his mom’s basement. Reading his postings here though makes me believe that his men were probably really, really sorry when he retired.

Locke: Man crushes are a bit creepy;

Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 06/27/2008 - 5:31am.

...and being a 4' 8" shemale with fully functional girl and boy parts, I just don't know how to take the ole perv's affections. What is a girl-boy to do?

Kevin "Hack" King

well Hack

Submitted by Locke on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 8:29pm.

Don't ask don't tell.

well see 2 year accompanied tours in Iraq

Submitted by jackyldo on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 9:31pm.

either right after Lawrence of Arabia returns from the dead or the Green Zone gets developed into Las Vegas East.

80% of Iraqi's want us to leave, why not oblige them and go.

Good Afternoon Kevin,

Submitted by Mike King on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 3:30pm.

Your comments are "spot on" regarding the status of accompanied tours as it exists today. My friend , please consider that although you were offered an accompanied tour to South Korea in 1999, it was not that long previous that those accompanied tours were made available to even a select few. Japan and Germany both had their delays.

I, like you, see no eminent prospects for even diplomatic dependents inside the "green Zone" much less military dependents.

The fact is that we're there, now what is the best srategy to extricate ourselves? Currently, we are experiencing success, but is it worth the gamble to continue? Should we simply "pull out" as some have espoused, and let the chips fall where they may? After all, we sort of did just that in Lebanon back in 1983.

Either way or a middle of the road compromise, this decision has to be made, and that decision maker"s middle initial will not be W.

Just my two cents worth.

Pulling Out of Iraq

Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 3:50pm.

I believe that the United States should pull out of Iraq as soon as possible.

When (not "if") we pull out, I expect to see a small increase in the amount of violence in Iraq. There is a certain demographic of both Shi'ite and Sunni factions who have put aside their centuries-old hatred to focus on ridding Iraq of their common "enemy", the United States. Once we leave, they'll go back to blowing themselves up..at least in the short term.

Most people do not realize that Iraq conducted a hugely successful "sectarian cleansing" under the clueless nose of the America military throughout most of 2006. This is every bit as odious as "ethnic cleansing" conducted in other nations (particulary Kosovo/Yugoslavia) but far more subtle.

In a nutshell it was payback time for the Sunnis in Iraq. To use a somewhat crude analogy, think of Shi'ite Muslims as "Baptists" and Sunni Muslims as "Methodists". Although there were far more "Baptists" in Iraq then there were "Methodists", the "Methodists" were better educated and more urban. The "Baptists" were far more numerous but much less educated. The "Methodists" used political power to keep their country bumpkin Muslim cousins in check (and out of power).

When Saddam got overthrown, the Shi'ite ("Baptists") realized they could and did assume power. They then began a program to scourge Baghdad of ALL Sunni ("Methodist") people. They went block by block throughout all of Baghdad, knocking on doors, and issuing ultimatums: you have 24 hours to leave the city. Those that failed to leave were gunned down and blown up. The American military chose not to get involved...not like they had a choice there, because what COULD they do? The Shi'ite ("Baptists") worked the political system successfully, there used to be about 30-40% Sunnis in Baghdad, today there is about 5%. The number of Sunni refugees in Syria and other places is an astonishing 2 million.

We've basically given the Shi'ites a framework to accomplish their "dirty work"...it's become fashionable to blame the violence on Iranian meddling. Truthfully, there IS some evidence of Iranian meddling, but the vast majority of violence in Iraq is clean old Iraqi-vs-Iraqi religious hatred.

My advice? Let the chips fall where they may here. Admit we won the war and lost the peace, say "Sorry about that" and move on. America's reputation will take years, if not decades, to recover.

Points Well Taken,

Submitted by Mike King on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 4:23pm.

however, I could debate the Baptist/Methodist analogy, but I simply have to agree to let the chips fall where they may. This was a conflict that could easily have been avoided, after all, we did control their country from both the air and sea.

Hindsight always being twenty-twenty, we as a nation do need to start the healing now for the warriors that have sacrificed so much and the same for their families. The stigma of coming up short in a conflict as seen by those in uniform is not something they wish to carry with them into their old age. Perhaps this is unavoidable, I hope not.

Please, all Americans need to express to our elected officials that should they decide to place but one uniformed member in harm's way, they do so only with the knowledge that their son or daughter would follow and that the security of the nation is at stake, whereby anything short of victory is unacceptable. Politicians are rapidly becoming the patricians of ancient Rome, we as members of this same nation must do what is necessary to bring equality back to serving one's country.

OK, I'm off the soapbox.

Got to be kidding, MIKE

Submitted by other_side_trax on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:19pm.

About Iraq, before the war, you wrote, "This was a conflict that could easily have been avoided, after all, we did control their country from both the air and sea."

We controlled Iraq from both the air and sea??????? Yeah, right.

We CONTROLLED next to NOTGHING in Iraq. Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein continually thummbed his nose at inspectors and the world while both promising and claiming to build weapons of mass destruction. Weapons he had already used in the past.

And you claim this "conflict could have been easily avoided"?

Sorry, but your weak attempt at revisionist history doesn't pan out. Congress voted to go to war.

And now, we have the terrorists tied down in Iraq, instead of doing battle with them here on American soil. I call that a victory. But you'd rather "blame America first".

And I suppose we can just "easily avoid" or just CHOOSE to ignore Iran's sabre rattling right now. . .

Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. Obama's message of hope is merely this. "HOPE someone else deals with it . . . after I have my world-wide tour of meet & greets with all the world's dictators . . . "

We have not been attacked since 9/11.

Note, just in case you missed it, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ATTACKED ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 9/11!

From the other side of the tracks

We certainly didn't control spelling there!

Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 06/22/2008 - 8:09am.

Our next campaign should be the war on literacy and diction.

"We CONTROLLED next to NOTGHING in Iraq. Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein continually thummbed his nose at inspectors and the world while both promising and claiming to build weapons of mass destruction. Weapons he had already used in the past."

Kevin "Hack" King

And your points are always well taken also Mike..

Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 5:22pm.

But I'd expect no less from a Vette man! I can only imagine the sting of feeling you came up short in a military operation. That is tough psychology to deal with when you know you are infinitely more militarily superior to your adversary. The tuff thing about Iraq is we are at a juncture which requires a political solution by the politicos involved; Shiia and sunni. Sniffles hit the nail on the head (head? who said "head"?) The majority shiia have regained their political capitol. They have used it thru their prime minister to meet and bolster relationships with Iran. We can do little more than advise and discourage, but this is Maliki and Talibani's government to do with as they will.

Funny thing happened in Rio Saturday. I was walking down an Ipanema sidewalk when a cop exited a bank, drew his gun, swept it across all of us walking by him as he backed into an armored car. The door closed and then the armored car sped away. I got to thinking: That, my friend, is how you exit Iraq. You cover your six o'clock, back into your extraction vehicle, and bid the place "adieu." Keep some advisors on the ground to give Iraqis advice on policing and governing and banking and rebuilding. But if we are going to do the 50 plus permanent bases drill, we had best find the "motherload" of gold mines directly under federal property if we expect to be able to pay for it. I am not wearing a partisan hat here. I see us spending ourselves into second or third place on the world stage, and I have no clue who is going to be bold enough to scream, "Enough already!" But we can't just keep spending in the red while telling people "The fundamental elements of our economy are strong." Have a great week, and thanks for dipping your toes in these tepid waters.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

Kevin,

Submitted by Mike King on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 6:51am.

Top of the morning to you! Like you, I do not mind expressing an opinion every now and then. That said, how about another get together sometime in the not too distant future? Perhaps with some of the others here with nothing better to do than sip an adult malt beverage while solving the world's problems.

I do have a "vette" rule in that it does not move in the rain nor in proximity to alcohol. If you knew my checkered past, you'd admit that this aging aviator has finally begun to mature, but only slightly.

By the way, I wouldn't call these waters tepid, albeit shallow waters can be deceiving.

Have a great day!

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