Obama is the New America, McCain is the Old America

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This is a excerpt of Peggy Noonan's Wall Street Journal Article.

She compares Old and New America and I found it intriguing.

Please give me your take on it.

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In the Old America, love of country was natural. You breathed it in. You either loved it or knew you should.

In the New America, love of country is a decision. It's one you make after weighing the pros and cons. What you breathe in is skepticism and a heightened appreciation of the global view.

Old America: Tradition is a guide in human affairs.

New America: Tradition is a challenge, a barrier, or a lovely antique.

The Old America had big families. You married and had children. Life happened to you. You didn't decide, it decided. Now it's all on you.

Old America, when life didn't work out: "Luck of the draw!" New America when life doesn't work: "I made bad choices!" Old America: "I had faith, and trust."

New America: "You had limited autonomy!"

Old America: "We've been here three generations."

New America: "You're still here?"

Old America: We have to have a government, but that doesn't mean I have to love it.

New America: We have to have a government and I am desperate to love it.

Old America: Politics is a duty. New America: Politics is life.

The Old America: Religion is good.

The New America: Religion is problematic.

The Old: Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

The New: I'll sue.

Mr. McCain is the old world of concepts like "personal honor," of a manliness that was a style of being, of an attachment to the fact of higher principles.

Mr. Obama is the new world, which is marked in part by doubt as to the excellence of the old. It prizes ambivalence as proof of thoughtfulness, as evidence of a textured seriousness.

Both Old and New America honor sacrifice, but in the Old America it was more essential, more needed for survival both personally (don't buy today, save for tomorrow) and in larger ways.

The Old and New define sacrifice differently. An Old America opinion: Abjuring a life as a corporate lawyer and choosing instead community organizing, a job that does not pay you in money but will, if you have political ambitions, provide a base and help you win office, is not precisely a sacrifice. Political office will pay you in power and fame, which will be followed in time by money (see Clinton, Bill). This has more to do with timing than sacrifice. In fact, it's less a sacrifice than a strategy.

A New America answer: He didn't become a rich lawyer like everyone else—and that was a sacrifice! Old America: Five years in a cage—that's a sacrifice!

In the Old America, high value was put on education, but character trumped it. That's how Lincoln got elected: Honest Abe had no formal schooling. In Mr. McCain's world, a Harvard Ph.D. is a very good thing, but it won't help you endure five years in Vietnam. It may be a comfort or an inspiration, but it won't see you through. Only character, and faith, can do that. And they are very Old America.

Old America: candidates for office wear ties. New America: Not if they're women. Old America: There's a place for formality, even the Beatles wore jackets!

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I weigh this in favor of the Old America. Hard not to, for I remember it, and its sterling virtues. Maybe if you are 25 years old, your sense of the Old and New is different. In the Old America they were not enlightened about race and sex; they accepted grim factory lines and couldn't even begin to imagine the Internet. Fair enough. But I suspect the political playing out of a long-ongoing cultural and societal shift is part of the dynamic this year.

As to its implications for the race, we'll see. America is always looking forward, not back, it is always in search of the fresh and leaving the tried. That's how we started: We left tired old Europe and came to the new place, we settled the east and pushed West to the new place. We like new. It's in our genes. Hope we know where we're going, though.

I thought this was an interesting read

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Submitted by open-minded on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 10:38pm.

old america: slavery, no universal suffrage, whites own all the land, put all the native americans on reservations.

new america: hopefully, a little different.

sorry, buddy but i am going with the new. i think we have come a long way.

my recommendation is that you read a biography on john mccain, not actually written by him. not sure how much character it took for him to cheat on his disabled wife and then leave her for a much younger heiress. or how much character it took for him to take all those donations from keating.

not interested in a third bush term (endless war, torture, and permanent tax cuts for the superrich.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 10:15am.

Noonan is usually better than this.

“In the New America, love of country is a decision. It's one you make after weighing the pros and cons.”

Maybe for Peggy.

“Old America: We have to have a government, but that doesn't mean I have to love it. New America: We have to have a government and I am desperate to love it.”

Anybody ever heard anyone even remotely express this sentiment? Me either.

“Old America: Politics is a duty. New America: Politics is life.”

Again, maybe for Peggy, whose life is writing about politics.

“Mr. Obama is the new world, which is marked in part by doubt as to the excellence of the old. It prizes ambivalence as proof of thoughtfulness, as evidence of a textured seriousness.”

Meaningless tripe.

“Abjuring a life as a corporate lawyer and choosing instead community organizing, a job that does not pay you in money but will, if you have political ambitions, provide a base and help you win office, is not precisely a sacrifice.”

That’s why there are so many rich community organizers I guess.

“Political office will pay you in power and fame, which will be followed in time by money (see Clinton, Bill).”

And let us not forget Reagan who accepted a $2.5 million dollar house and ranch as a gift from his friends right after he left office. Oh, and the $2 million dollars he got for making a speech in Japan. And Ford who became the first ex-President to sit on corporate boards. And the elder Bush who accepted millions from Cargill after he got out. Peggy musta’ forgot about those.

“In Mr. McCain's world, a Harvard Ph.D. is a very good thing, but it won't help you endure five years in Vietnam.”

Did anyone ever imply otherwise? A pointless non-sequitur.

Where are the intellectuals like Buckley? Are they all dead and gone? Now the right is left with the Noonans, Goldbergs and Coulters passing off mental grimaces as thought.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 4:28pm.

John McCain is a man of "personal honor"?

What a steaming pile of neo-fascist revisionism!

This is a man whose "personal honor" compelled him to screw around on his first wife when she was disfigured in a car accident. The "personal honor" of McCain had him openly flaunting his marriage vows by carrying on with his girlfriend...IN PUBLIC....as a Navy officer. He later dumped his first wife and immediately married his girlfriend, so I guess there is some "honor" in that.

And let's not forget he called his trophy wife a "C-word" and "trollope" in front of not one, not two, but three reporters...he later claimed he was having "a bad day".

I've had a bad day or two in my life, but I've never felt compelled to refer to my wife in those degrading terms.

I guess the definition of "honor" is different for Republicans.


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Submitted by aliquando on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:06pm.

Is this better or worse than assciating with home grown terrorists and criminals? You are the same Democrats that said that the personal life should not matter. I am voting aginst Obama based on his politics not on peronal items. Choose your issue. What is it this time? Issues or are you now saying that their personal choices are fair game?


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 1:24am.

Is this better or worse than assciating with home grown terrorists and criminals?
Obama served on the board of directors of a Chicago charity from 1999 to 2002 with some former Weatherman kook. Now, I realize that a charity trying to improve people's lives is anathema to certain strains of Republican'ts, but I commend Obama for working to make people's lives better...even if it mean "assciating" with some less than desirable people.

You are the same Democrats that said that the personal life should not matter.
Excuse me, I said nothing of the sort. I would PREFER to discuss the issues, but when men without honor like Little Dick Hobbs copies and pastes this steaming pile of tripe that claims the adulterous McCain is somehow more "honorable" than Obama, I'm going to respond...it's just something you'll have to deal with.

I am voting aginst Obama based on his politics not on peronal items.
Good for you. That's also why Obama will win...because people like you can't get enthused about McCain, so instead you whine about voting against someone. That's no way to win an election.

Choose your issue. What is it this time? Issues or are you now saying that their personal choices are fair game?
Choose your poison...I can go either way. You want to discuss issues? How about permanent American military bases in Iraq. Very clear cut here: McCain wants them, Obama does not. I am of the opinion that not only are they not needed, they are counterproductive to the goal of securing peace in the Middle East. What is your opinion?


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Submitted by JAFO 72 on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 12:53pm.

Where do we stand as a nation? "America is always looking forward, not back, it is always in search of the fresh and leaving the tried."

Herein lays problems for our future. Heed the old saying, "If you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it."

Peggy Noonan touches on this as Old America, and rightfully so. Because of our over dependence on convenience and longing for what is happening in Lindsay Lohan's life (ex.), we take for granted the occurances that could very well change our existence as a great nation. Thereby reducing us to the fall of Rome.

Thanks you Mr. Hobbs for posting a great article.

"The one constant in all of your failed relationships is you."


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