Skyspy, as promised, coming back to you

Skyspy… As stated in our earlier dialogue, concerning your comment “Here is what we know about you so far for those of us who have hounded reporters from Detroit Free Press, the U.S Justice Dept., and the District Court for info.” I contacted two out of the three so far and came up with nothing. It took me quite awhile. I went back into the Citizen archives on the issue of the Detroit Free Press and since there was dialogue already about Mr. Joe Swickard conversations and that he stated he said nothing negative about Simmons, I decided not to call him.

I have spoken to some Whitewater Creek friends. I understand that Simmons is currently the President of their board or directors. There was a sticky wicked going on with Cannongate and the homeowners concerning their clubhouse. Without going into great detail, this issue became hostile within the board. You will find some of those residents unfavorable with the Canongate issue which means Mr. Simmons. It’s too much to go into, but the comments were very favorable towards Mr. Simmons and apparently he has many supporters there.

I have re-read your concerns and yes, I very much understand them. May I make a proposal to you? Would you compose 3 to 5 questions that you have and direct those to Mr. Simmons through this blog? He lists his email and phone contact on his website. I can send your questions to the email listed. I will in turn post the answers. That way, your identity is protected. Sorry for the length of this blog but I couldn't figure out any other way.

What’s interesting is what I have learned about Tom1939. I had put out some calls to friends who have lived in Detroit, raised in Detroit still have families in Detroit. They in turn, put out calls to friends and families of law enforcement friends for some information. I did not know where this was going to lead me. About 8pm last night, BAM! I was on the phone for hours. Tom1939 defiantly has his own agenda and his motivation to taint Simmons character and ethics and it is very personal. The only thing I ask of about Tom1939 is ask about his (younger) days in Detroit PD. His motivation is not an honorable one. Shame, shame on you Tom1939.

I have researched and will continue to do so.

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Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 6:34am.

I did continue contacting the Justice dept to locate this Agent Anderson. From your comment “I called the no. 202-305-2935 and was transfered then put on hold and then transfered again for about 45min. until an Agent Anderson answered the phone. He said that he is not one of the people who had ever worked on that case but he had heard of it. He did not have a favorable opinion of Detroit PD.”

Sky, you needed to put the first name down and the department in order for this Anderson to be located. No one new or could find this Agent Anderson. So, I finally got to someone who is about to retire from the Justice Dept. that was fairly familiar with all this. I read some of your accusations. The 90 minute sentencing for Hart, you continuously mention, was just that, a sentencing hearing. In Judge Gadola’s dialogue he may have “lashed out” to the top command, but this was not a 90 minute lashing out to the top commanders like you suggest. Also, there were hundreds of top commanders, and this person stated that they didn’t remember Simmons being earmarked in this situation. Now, I want to ask here, as you state that you have this transcript. What case number do you have? How much did you pay for it? How long did it take to obtain it from the Justice dept.? What dept. is Agent Anderson in and his first name? The person I spoke with was appalled that anyone would make a statement to you from this dept. “He did not have a favorable opinion of Detroit PD. He repeated what Tom1939 said the cops from Detroit PD. are considered "tainted" in the world of law enforcement.” What it sounded like to my contact was that these accusations were taken from a newspaper article, not from the actual transcripts. My contact had nothing good to say about the Detroit Free Press. I got the impression that this newspaper is like the AJC to most of us here in Georgia.

Detroit Free Press Joe Swickard has not been available and I will continue to press on. I did email Mr. Simmons your questions and got a response that he is in receipt of the email.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 7:51am.

Thanks for following up.

I never did get the first name of the mystery Agent Anderson. After 45mins of being tranfered and put on hold I didn't think of it.

I guess we both have a very different perception of this. It will be interesting to see if Simmons replys to the questions.

As far as the sentencing hearing, I believe I stated that the Judge addressed all of the "top officials" he never named each one specifically.

I appreciate your time and effort. I think the best thing to come out of all of this, is that people who are normally complacent about elections are doing some research, to make sure that they make the right decision.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:38am.

I did reach Joe S. at the Detroit Free Press. He stated to me he has no dog in this fight. He said and I quote " I had a very cordial and professional relationship with Dave Simmons." He went on to state that in his investigations about Hart the investigations never led him to Simmons. He went on to say that McKinnon was never charged. You can check with the U.S.Attorney's records to verify. He also elaborated that McKinnon was never charged. The frepp and the detnews are resources available to anyone who wants to research and had given that info to you. He went on to state that the public records speak for themselves.

Joe S. also cautioned me that anyone can spin stories to fit their agenda.

I am waiting on a callback from a contact from the FBI. I will let you know the outcome once that conversation takes place.

Have a great day!

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 9:25am.

Wow, when I talked to Mr. Swickard he said he didn't remember Simmons. He was very chatty about all of the problems at the police dept.and all of the investigations into different incidents of corruption.

Did he send you any of the articles he wrote on any of the different incidents we talked about?

Yes, people can spin stories, and even crime stats., and investigations to fit whatever agenda they want to promote.

Have a good day and thanks again for forwarding my questions to Simmons. As I have said before there are 2 sides to every story, I would like to hear his version.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 10:07am.

up Simmons name. He didn't. I wanted to let him know as to why I was contacting him specifically. I believe there is enough info on this site to cover what I need to discern.

Submitted by Tom1939 on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 6:47pm.

Keep fishing in the dark. There are many possibilities that caused Dave Simmons to leave Detroit to feel safe. There are many gossipy retired cops plugged into the Grapevine wagging their tongues. News gets around. If that's all you have my anonymity is secure.

The gossipy news that caused me to surface is my motivation. That piece of gossipy talk "it's all but over" from Simmons' great friend is what caused me to surface. Of course, this piece of gossip was stepped on two or three times before it passed my ears.

I really don't want to be more specific about what is being circulated among gossipy old cops.

Submitted by susieq on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 7:32pm.

Speaking of Simmons, I saw a sign of his on a vacant lot in Fayetteville today. If the owner of that lot knew about it, I'm sure the sign would be down in 30 minutes or less. I haven't called him...yet.

Simmons needs to ask his supporters not to place signs unless they have permission. If another candidate's sign is there, it's because the owner wants it there.

Submitted by thenatural on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 10:39pm.

This is becoming a pet peeve of mine. If you are going to critcize Simmons for putting a sign on a vacant lot, the let's call them all to task. How about Ballard,(alot in the right of way) Hearn (specializes in high grass placements) and especially Wingo who has a sign on every vacant, abandoned and unoccupied structure in the county. Not only that, but I read in the free speech section that he had one in a cemetary. Somebody needs to inform these people that signs do not vote, people vote. Too many signs is bad enough, but too many in places where you know that did not ask permission sends a whole different message. It tells us who is willing to play by the rules and who isn't.

Is it true that the county marshals, who should be confiscating illegal signs have been told to not be so aggressive with enforcement? I heard that a community meeting the other night.

Submitted by susieq on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:26pm.

Bring them all to task? And the only ones you name are Ballard, Hearn and Wingo? Now we know who you're against.

Submitted by thenatural on Sat, 06/14/2008 - 7:41am.

Would it make you feel better if I listed everybody? I thought that the term "all" was fairly inclusive. The three I named are the biggest offenders. That's what I was pointing out. I have already said on this blog that I dislike the signs. But what I like even less is to see signs where they are not supposed to be, regardless of whose name is on it. Are you trying to tell me that signs in a cemetary are acceptable? Something like that is at least in poor taste.

Susieq, am I to assume that since you did not like my post you are FOR these three people? If you are then fine. But don't assume anything about who I support just because I point out the obvious.
As I said in the earlier post, I do not make my voting decisions based on the number of signs somebody puts out. If you do, then, well, that is your choice. I will stick with voting for the candidate that I feel will do what is best for the citizens of this county.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 10:18am.

You really should call Joe Swickard and see if he will forward the articles I talked about to you. Also go to the Dept. of Jusctice website and read all of the different investigations into Detroit PD. The cover several decades all while Simmons was there.

What did he know about all of it: from the Chief Hart drug money embezzlement thing, to holding suspects without probable cause or a court order for hours or even days. What did he know about the promotion scandal under Chief Mckinnon? What did he know about using police to protect Mayor Coleman Youngs niece while she was running around with one of the leading drug dealers in Detroit, for 3 yrs.? All of these things happened and were investigated while he was there, so what does he know about all of it?

Sorry I'm not impressed. Out of a large dept. of police officers I doubt your friend has any idea of who Tom1939 really is. He might be one of the undercover officers whose life was put on the line several times.
That is why you need to talk to Joe Swickard. It will depend on how busy he is when you call. It was the 3rd or 4th time I called that I must have hit the right time because he was very chatty. He does not ever mention Simmons by name. He did tell me that when the police were protecting Coleman Youngs niece Cathy who was "running around" with "Rick white boy" someone from police headquarters would warn "Rick whiteboy" everytime there was going to be a drug bust. When the undercover drug agents showed up, of course the bad guys were already gone.

I'm not saying Simmons is guilty of any of this. However he was surrounded by this filth for most of his career at Detroit PD. What did he know about all of this?
Anyway thanks for getting back to me. Have a good weekend.

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