PTC eyes mandating monopoly trash pickup provider

Tue, 01/17/2006 - 5:23pm
By: John Munford

Trash pickup in Peachtree City will go from a free-market version of multiple vendors to a city-chosen single-company monopoly, if a staff proposal gets City Council approval this Thursday night. Pickup fees also are expected to rise.

The council will consider drawing up a franchise agreement to select one company to handle residential trash service, with just one pickup a week allowed, rather than the plethora of companies that now serve Peachtree City residents on multiple days.

If you don’t like the city’s choice to pick up your trash, you can haul your own garbage away to the nearest landfill, according to city officials.

Why a monopoly? According to city Public Information Officer Betsy Tyler, the end result will be better control over customer service issues, a cost cut for recyclable material collection and the reduction of truck traffic on residential streets.

It would also mean all other trash collection companies would be prohibited from collecting residential trash in the city, so residents not wanting the city-chosen trash service could take their refuse to the county’s transfer station in Fayetteville.

Currently, the city has a contract with Allied (formerly Environmental Partners or EPI) as a “preferred provider” which still allows residents to choose another trash company if they wish. But the city has little control over complaints about trash collection, Tyler said.

Under the proposal, the city would require a $25,000 performance bond which could be used to levy penalties for collection problems, Tyler said.

“We are hoping to have better customer service levels and have more enforceability on that,” Tyler said. “Also, it will dramatically reduce the number of trucks out on the streets.”

Currently three companies offer service to city residents, meaning that many neighborhoods have to deal with three different trucks, some of which come twice a week.

Although residents’ garbage bills would go up with the contract, Allied is eligible for a rate increase this year and can cancel that contract within 90 days if it wishes.

Allied was one of two companies that bid for the franchise agreement, along with Republic Services of Georgia, operating as All South Robertson. Republic submitted a far lower bid for the service, Tyler noted.

If Republic is awarded the trash collection franchise, the price of once a week collection would rise 40 cents from the current price offered by Allied, and twice a week collection, if allowed by the city, would increase 50 cents.

For once a week collection, Republic bid $11.40 while Allied bid $13.69. Twice a week collection would cost $17.10 under Republic and $24.68 under Allied. Republic was also cheaper on recycling collection, at $2.75 compared to Allied’s $10.40, yard trimming collections (Republic $3.50, Allied $21.23) and bulky waste per trip (Republic $15, Allied $25).

City staff is recommending that the franchise agreement be limited to once a week collection, with residents given the option to have two trash carts instead of just one.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 8:43pm.

The freedom to choose a trash provider is not exactly the biggest thing in anyone's life, but why should we allow some people - like my neighbor to choose Wednesday when I choose Tuesday? Since I don't talk to my neighbor it is unlikely we will ever get together and choose the same day and communicate that to our trash companies.

So, let the city decide - they can pick whatever day they want for our street and we'll live with it. And then we will have trash trucks 1 day a week for a few minutes instead of every day, all day.

Government actually knows best - once in a while.

meow


Submitted by Citizen_Steve on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 6:16pm.

A city-wide contract should result in lower costs and/or increased service levels because of economy of scale, netting an overall benefit to residents. If, as the article states, the costs go up with the new provider, they'd better reflect a savings over what the costs to residents would have been without the deal – otherwise we’re not being well served by the city.

With all of the feedback on this article I'll be surprised if The Citizen doesn't continue to keep us up to date.

Submitted by ptc_bob on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 12:05pm.

Every elected official in Peachtree City must be removed from office. Please tell me where they think they have the power to tell me who to use for trach pickup. Are they now going to tell me who to use for lawn service because there are to many lawn service trucks. The quality of life in PTC is going downhill fast and our elected officials think trash pickup is the problem !

Submitted by Sailon on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 4:59pm.

Of course the town can tell you who can pickup your trash. Where do you think you live, a deserted island? The problem is that the town doesn't get off their butts and pick up our own trash, just as we should also run our own Tennis Center and Amphithater, if we want one. We seem to pay enough people enough money to see about these things.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 4:05pm.

I have 3 different companies that travel up and down my street all during the week. I don't see the need for it. It would worth more to me not to have to listen to all the different garbage trucks.

Submitted by jmatute on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 1:59pm.

I makes sense to make ourselves aware of an alernate trash collection system for residents of PTC. I have lived here over 18 years and have gone through just about every collection service that has ever operated in the city. All of them have had service problems, and several have gone out of business, or have "been bought out" by another company only to increase rates. In every case where service has been a problem, the city government had little leverage in getting sub-service up to an acceptable standard, because the companies did not have to. Residents had no alternative but to change to someone else, only to experience similar service after a period of time. In all fairness, though, some companies were better than others. The only way to attain and maintain a standard of service is for the city to be in a strong oversight position with financial clout to force companies to comply, when needed, to specific standards. At the same time, we could cut down on unnecessary trash truck trips and fuel costs. We should at least let the city council have the plan laid out before us to see if it really makes sense. To reject this proposal outright as a monopoly is unwise. There are many benefits to be gained for the residents of Peachtree City. Let the city council look it over in an open forum and let's pay attention to improving our current inconsistent service.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 10:32am.

If the city is willing and able to spend tax dollars on this project perhaps they can spend some more tax dollars on creating a monopoly for car and home owners insurance for us as well.

Just where did this idea come from? Who’s lobbying the council members for this?

As I see it we have at least three tax increases coming our way now. Golf cart tax, storm water tax and now trash tax.

I trust that the city council members will be able to answer these and other questions on Thursday.


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 8:30pm.

bad_ptc is Steve Brown as is citizen_steve and Joe Swanson and several other screen names. Don't really care, but knowing that is better than thinking real PTC people have those opinions. Please don't reply to any of their (actually his) diatribes.
meow


Submitted by defins on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 10:15am.

What country are you people from? This is the first time I have ever posted,but reading these coments drove me crazy! Let's see if I got this straight. You want to limit freedom and choice for a higher fee. BRILLIANT! Maybe we could close Publix and Kroger 6 days a week. We could have a "government" grocery store. Think of all the "traffic" that would be eliminated! Maybe only one airplane a day leaving Hartsfield! Or maybe we could have only one hour a day to go to Blockbuster!

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 8:07pm.

No one in their right mind wants to "limit freedom" but limiting a nuisance and unecessary pollution is a good thing. It is even better when it is done through a competitive bid process because the consumer wins in that deal. Go back and read the original article with the proposed fees from each bidder and rethink.

And since it is your first posting, we forgive you, but in the future - post at the bottom - don't butt in line.
meow


Submitted by defins on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 9:51am.

"Been there done that." I moved here from a city that did the same thing. Do you think it is a nuisance now to see trash trucks on your street? Wait till you have to go 3 houses down to get your trash can. Or better yet,wait till you have to pick up your trash that is thrown all over the street! When your bill goes up 300%,who are you going to complain to? "Competitive" bid process? Right. Consumers NEVER win in a monopoly. Speaking of pollution. Have you seen all those school buses running around all week. If we could just limit those to once a week also.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 4:07pm.

How in the world does having less garbage trucks running around PTC not seem like a better idea to you? I can respect your opinion, though. But to me, this seems like a good thing, even if it costs slightly more. Just for the sake of not having to listen to the trucks daily down my street.

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Submitted by secret squirrel on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 1:56pm.

One of the unfortunate sides of capitalism is that gain and profit often take precedence over smart planning and resource conservation. There is no money to be made in reducing our waste stream when we can just cut down more greenspace and dig a new landfill. However, it's never done in our backyard (how many here would explode in anger if we opened a landfill in PTC) and it is done to the detriment of natural resources. We will continue to foolishly waste land on needless landfills when we can preempt it with a responsible refuse collection policy. Keeping this under the auspices of the city is the first step in that responsible direction.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth bemoaning that this will signal the end of competitive services is as much silly overreaction as it foolish. Again, the Douglasville example shows what to do and how successful it can be.


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Submitted by secret squirrel on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 8:15am.

Douglasville has the ideal waste/recycling system and it should be modelled by all communities, especially one which claims to be as progressive as PTC.

Douglasville has a city-provided waste service which requires customers to use city-issued trash bags. These blue bags are stamped with the city logo and cost around $10 for 20 bags (give or take, if I recall correctly). The expense of the bags is to cover the cost of the waste service.

Douglasville then provides curbside recycling services for mixed-stream (paper, plastics, glass, metals all in the same container) pickup. The system is self-sustaining and promotes reductions in landfill waste and an increase in recycling. The cost of the bags compells residents to reduce the amount of recyclables they throw away since the bags and collection service cost while recycling does not.

Right now, the majority of metro Atlanta's refuse goes to Alabama and tippage fees (the cost to dump in a landfill) are relatively low but are increasing. Are we going to wait until landfill space is such a premium that we are paying $20+ for waste collection before we start a common sense recycling program?

Douglasville has beaten much of metro Atlanta to the punch on this issue. We would do well to follow their example.


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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 01/17/2006 - 8:46pm.

John, we get it - a monopoly excludes competition. Stop overusing the word. This happens to be good and sensible thing. Fewer trash trucks, less fuel used, less pollution, fewer trash cans out on the street. Should have been done years ago. Congratulations to Bernie, Colin, Harold or whoever figured this out.

Pick up fees will rise? - so what? This idea cleans up Peachtree City.
meow


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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Tue, 01/17/2006 - 9:59pm.

Since when has any monopoly been good??? You say that there will be less pollution by going to a monopolistic system, this really makes no since considering there will be the same amount of trash whether it is at six dumps or just one. There will not be fewer trash cans on the street because there still will be trash to pick up from every citizen.... So, the only thing that is a pro would be saving fuel, but for some reason I don't believe 10 extra trucks are going to affect our fuel price that much. But I will tell you that going to this system will cost a lot more then we will be saving on fuel....

Just my thoughts...


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 6:39am.

A better way to state it is that the trash cans on each street - wheter empty or full, will be there for a shorter period of time and only one day per week as opposed to several cans scattered around all 5 days of the week to accomodate different pick-up schedules. Same applies to trucks - thet would go past each house once a week when they pick up the trash. Now there are at least 3 trucks going past each house every day while they are on their way to a pickup elsewhere on the same street.

Not only is this idea efficient and responsible, it also eliminated visual pollution. Unfortunately, after this gets passed the city will start looking for more unsightly things to regulate in paradise. I'm guessing directional signs and extra cars parked on the street or in somebody's yard. Any other eyesores out there?
meow


Submitted by Sailon on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 8:54am.

Why can't people like you think anymore? This is just a way to increase prices, as do all monopolies, and I assure you, if you think a minute, that you will be dawned upon that the same truck going along the street stopping at EVERY house will stay within noise and stink distance for a half hour. It will also take two to three days for all pickups. Lets hire some thinkers before we just fire loose with these things. Somebody on the public dole is always coming up with a new way to get more tax money.

Submitted by bigdawg on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 8:12am.

mudcat you need to lick your paws and wipe the mud from your eyes...if you think that a single trash company is going to pick up everyones trash in one day you are mistaken. It will still leave trash cans on the curb all five days of the week...and probably not save any gas due to the extra trucks that will be required to meet the new demand on the chosen company. Monopoly's are never a good thing...several factors are effected with quality of service being the largest. If you ask me someone is getting a kick-back from this decision.

Submitted by trailwanderer on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 8:41am.

Maybe it's mudcat getting the kickback. He seems very passionate about garbage pickup. Maybe you should rent a truck and start your own service.

The competitive bid process mentioned does not always guarantee excellent customer service. So if you don't prefer the company who wins the bid, the council says you can carry your garbage to the landfill in Fayetteville? Come on!!! You should have the choice to use whatever company you wish.

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 7:56pm.

It would only be every house on the same street or subdivision picked up on the same day - say for example - Monday. Then on Tuesday they would be in a different neighborhood and again on Wednesday, etc.

You may not have had the experience I have with scheduling tankers and other planes refuling at 35,000 feet 30 minutes apart, but believe me --- the trash thing is easy and can be efficient. The city is onto the right solution.

meow


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 4:09pm.

They won't be on the same street almost every day of the week. Of course different areas of the city will be served at different times.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 10:14am.

Sorry if some people have a problem with the Government limiting choice. When has the PTC council ever made a decision in the past 5 years that hasn't benefited their wallets to the detriment of PTC values?


Submitted by questionable101 on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 6:28pm.

How the heck does having trash pickup once a week benefit the council wallets? Do you think that the council will get additional money when they make this decision? You are delusional if you do. And further, if you can prove it, do so, otherwise shut up. There is no place for mudslinging like that without absolute proof.

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 8:20pm.

A screen name like cowtipn conjures up images of the very redneck sport of cow tipping - which is obviously an ex-urban legend. So do not take this dude seriously.

Obviously, the trash "monopoly" is a good thing for the city. What does cowtipin think - like the mafia is involved in trash collection - or they would propose a monopoly and city government would accept that? What is this--- New Jersey?

meow


Submitted by leber on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 11:12am.

This entire garbage monopoly is garbage. Mudcat if you want to limit your choices that is up to you but why do it to an entire town? I personally want the freedom to choice my own garbage service whatever that might be. If you are so worried about all the garbage trucks going up and down your road, get your homeowners assoc. to do this exact same thing for your neighborhood, if you don't live in neighborhood with home owners assoc. move into one or form one for your neighborhood but do not tell me what i can do in my neighborhood!
I am sure this is about kickbacks, lining someones pocket or someones friends pocket because there is no reason for it! As someone else stated above, "if it ain't broke why fix it?"
Btw, my garbage service is cheaper than all the bids submitted, I'd like to keep it that way!

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